Crank center bolt

[AndyRS6]

Hi to all.
I'm finishing TB and all seals, have question on crank bolt tightening process, I know torque 200 + 180° with 4 foot or longer extension pipe, but do I need extra tool to lock crank or locking pin (T3242) will hold?
Thanks

[mdegracia]

Lock pin should be enough. That sprocket is keyed, so 200 plus 180 deg sound excessive.

[mrdave]

Crank lock pin is fine, that's what it's meant for.

[AndyRS6]

It's 200 plus 180 per manual. What's your take? Should I put oil on the thread and washer?

[mrdave]

It's 200 plus 180 per manual. What's your take? Should I put oil on the thread and washer?

No, it specifically says to not lube the bolt. Edit, directly from manual:

29 - Bolt
- 200 Nm plus an additional 1/2 turn 180°
- Replace
- Do not add lubricant
- Use Crankshaft Holder -3242- for loosening and tightening
- Install Crankshaft Holder -3242- → Anchor

[AndyRS6]

Ok, thanks

[AndyRS6]

Everything went well, bolt is at torque 200 plus 180 as peranual. Brake bar plus 5 ft extension got the job done.

If anyone need turbo covers, I got some at home depot plumbing department, perfect fit.

[fukinavit]

Crank lock pin is fine, that's what it's meant for.

Actually its not meant for that nor do I recommend using it for that. Its purely mean to hold the crank in position while doing the t belt. There is tool designed to bolt to the end of the crank where the dampner mounts which holds the crank specifically for this task.its easy to make, I made my own from flatbar when I did mine. Thats a lot of force on that pin when tightening that bolt. Lots of people do it tho.

[Bigglezworth]

Crank bolt removal 101......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G-adEVjfWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_6SFBg7_dg

[AndyRS6]

Update:Finally started the car. Got rough idling and check engine light. Fixed check engine-problem with MAF sensor, ground wire was separated. Got VAC-COM, scanned the car to figure out what causing rough idling. Have two codes but no dashboard lights. Codes are :
Address 01: Engine Labels: 077-907-558-BCY.lbl Part No: 4D1 907 558 D
Component: 4.2l V8/5VT G 0003
Coding: 0006752
Shop #: WSC 02195 785 00200
VCID: 2F6D04D6BD3CF646D7-5140


2 Faults Found:
17983 - Right Engine Mount Solenoid Valve (N145)
P1575 - 001 - Short to Plus
16406 - Bank 2: Camshaft A (Intake)
P0022 - 001 - Advance Setpoint not Reached (Over-Retarded)
Readiness: 0010 1101

Timing belt was done with proper tools, so it cannot be the problem and checked many times for proper fit.
Can someone help me out with second code, how to pin point the problem.
Thanks.

[hahnmgh63]

Engine mount Solenoids go bad, don't worry about it unless you detect it's going soft, then replace w/ Stearns or 034 Motorsports mounts. Bank 2 is actually the one on the Left, check the Cam Solenoid electrical connections at the front. If all looks ok with the plugs your going to have to at least pull the covers off the front (top) and recheck the timing marks.

[AndyRS6]

Is there any way for me to check cam saenoid thru vagc. In what group?

[lswing]

Sure you've looked this up, http://www.obd-codes.com/p0022

Try and log the cam adjusters and see if one doesn't show, or is way off. http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/m_blocks/090-098.html

I forget the numbers, but each adjuster should be at -17.2 or something at idle I thought. Maybe you just disconnected or messed up some wiring. Just Google this and you'll find details.

I assume you're using ross-tech VCDS...

[AndyRS6]

yes, i use ross-teh. i did a log. Is that what you mean?

	Group A:	'091				Group B:	'092				Group C:	'093
		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Adjustment	Adjustment		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Adjustment	Adjustment		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Phase Position	Phase Position
	TIME	(G28)		Status	Bank 1	TIME	(G28)		Status	Bank 2	TIME	(G28)		Bank 1	Bank 2
Marker	STAMP	/min	%		°KW	STAMP	/min	%		°KW	STAMP	/min	%	°KW	°KW
	0.27	760	20.3	OFF	0	0.45	760	20.3	OFF	0	0.11	760	20.3	-1	15
	0.8	760	20.3	OFF	0	0.97	760	20.3	OFF	0	0.63	760	20.3	-1	15
	1.3	760	20.3	OFF	0	1.47	760	20.3	OFF	0	1.13	760	20.3	-1	15
	1.8	760	20.3	OFF	0	1.97	760	20.3	OFF	0	1.63	760	20.3	-1	15
	2.3	760	20.3	OFF	0	2.47	760	20.3	OFF	0	2.13	760	20.3	-1	15
	2.81	760	20.3	OFF	0	2.97	760	20.3	OFF	0	2.63	760	20.3	-1	15
	3.3	760	20.3	OFF	0	3.47	760	20.3	OFF	0	3.13	760	20.3	-1	15
	3.8	760	20.3	OFF	0	3.97	760	20.3	OFF	0	3.63	760	20.3	-1	15
	4.29	720	20.3	OFF	0	4.46	760	20.3	OFF	0	4.13	760	20.3	-1	15
	4.79	760	20.3	OFF	0	4.96	760	20.3	OFF	0	4.63	760	20.3	-1	15
	5.29	760	20.3	OFF	0	5.46	760	20.3	OFF	0	5.14	760	20.3	-1	15
	5.79	760	20.3	OFF	0	5.96	760	20.3	OFF	0	5.64	760	20.3	-1	15
	6.29	760	20.3	OFF	0	6.46	760	20.3	OFF	0	6.14	720	20.3	-1	15
	6.79	760	20.3	OFF	0	6.94	760	20.3	OFF	0	6.64	760	20.3	-1	15
	7.26	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	7.44	760	20.3	OFF	0	7.11	760	20.3	-1	15
	7.76	760	20.3	OFF	0	7.94	760	20.3	OFF	0	7.61	760	20.3	-1	15
	8.26	760	20.3	OFF	0	8.44	760	20.3	OFF	0	8.11	760	20.3	-1	15
	8.76	760	20.3	OFF	0	8.94	760	20.3	OFF	0	8.61	760	20.3	-1	15
	9.26	760	20.3	OFF	0	9.44	760	20.3	OFF	0	9.11	760	20.3	-1	15
	9.78	760	20.3	OFF	0	9.94	760	20.3	OFF	0	9.61	760	20.3	-1	15

[lswing]

Edit, here's another, you sure seem to have some something wrong with the TB change.

http://audisrs.com/archive/cam-timin...__t_38608.html

Look at group 93, your bank 1 and bank 2 angle is very different. I think they should be the same/similar.

Believe this applies to our engine also, says you should be around 0, so 15 is way out for bank 2, you got an issue there I'm guessing.

http://audisrs.com/archive/cam-timin...__t_21169.html

[AndyRS6]

Is there a way to find out if the problem is with chain tensioner or timing belt off by 15 degrees. Trying to avoid to having to put in service position. I just switched chain tensioner solinoid from bank 1 to bank 2, no change.
Anyone have left chain tensioner for sale?

[lswing]

Dude, you messed up the timing, sure seems like. Get back in there and fix it. It's whatever you were working on. Sounds like it wasn't locked in place.

Edit; sorry, there is always the chance your cam tensioner pad happened to fail, mine did randomly one day. Valve cover off, look for shattered plastic.

[AndyRS6]

I'm already there, when I did timing belt I did chain tensioner pads too. Driver side was broken. How many chain links supposed to be between marks in left side, cuz i think im off. Also is there any way I can rotate the crank without putting in service position
Thank you for quick response