Porsche now fully part of the VW empire: what does it mean for Audi?

[The Pretender]

I think there will be a bigger gab between the next Gen Gallardo and R8.
I believe the Lambo will keep V10 engine's (but most likely a 2 cylinder cut off V12) and the R8 will get a 4.0TFSI V8 (single turbo) as base model and 4.0TFSI V8 (bi-turbo) as a next step up.

[RXBG]

I think there will be a bigger gab between the next Gen Gallardo and R8.
I believe the Lambo will keep V10 engine's (but most likely a 2 cylinder cut off V12) and the R8 will get a 4.0TFSI V8 (single turbo) as base model and 4.0TFSI V8 (bi-turbo) as a next step up.

i would have thought the same thing too but the two cars share so much in the interest of cost sharing, and the more they share the better the business case they make. since they are both mid engine substantial platform differences would have to exist in order to provide cooling for a turbo engine in the middle. and it would cost waaaay too much to develop two platforms and chassis' to do that. also, a biturbo engine in the middle would need lots of cooling engineering. LOTS. this is hard to do and a reason why almost no production car (MP4 excepted) has such a set up in the rear mid engine. it is for this reason that i believe the latest info (i've heard) that the main differences between the current cars and the replacements (and between the two replacements themselves) will be in the use of lighter weight materials. the engine sounds like it is going to be RS5 vs RS4, in other words, mildly retuned. what will really change and allow the two cars to perform better than the outgoing ones is their weight. it is cheaper two produce different lighter body panels than it is to produce different engines with completely different cooling requirements and support systems. finally, a TT V8 would undoubtedly be super easy to tune... and would ironically... probably be more powerful than the updated V10 nee Aventador v12 minus two cylinders.

re: this topic. it would be interesting to know how different the aventador engine is from the outgoing murcielago engine, and in turn how related the V10 in the gallardo/r8 is to the murcielago engine.

imagine a current V10 with an ECU tune producing 590 hp and weighing 400 lbs less. that would be wicked.

[KresoF1]

re: this topic. it would be interesting to know how different the aventador engine is from the outgoing murcielago engine, and in turn how related the V10 in the gallardo/r8 is to the murcielago engine.

imagine a current V10 with an ECU tune producing 590 hp and weighing 400 lbs less. that would be wicked.

New Aventador engine is completely different engine then outgoing Murci engine. New V12 is 60 degrees V12 and bore/stroke are totally different then in Murci engine. It is mechanically smoother and is producing more power in complete rev range. At the same time torque is way better at low and mid rev range-that means even more responsive engine.

BTW, new V12 from Aventador can NOT be cut off to become V10. New V12 is classic 60 degrees angle V12 engine and for V10 usual angle is 90 degrees(or in some cases 56 degrees).
For new R8 and new Gallardo expect V6 biturbo, V8 NA and V8 biturbo engines. Current chances for V10 in any version are slim.

[Joker]

New Aventador engine is completely different engine then outgoing Murci engine. New V12 is 60 degrees V12 and bore/stroke are totally different then in Murci engine. It is mechanically smoother and is producing more power in complete rev range. At the same time torque is way better at low and mid rev range-that means even more responsive engine.

BTW, new V12 from Aventador can NOT be cut off to become V10. New V12 is classic 60 degrees angle V12 engine and for V10 usual angle is 90 degrees(or in some cases 56 degrees).
For new R8 and new Gallardo expect V6 biturbo, V8 NA and V8 biturbo engines. Current chances for V10 in any version are slim.

A Gallardo with a V6 biturbo, surely you're joking?

I would expect the R8 to be offered with such an engine so that it's present price point can be retain or better still improved upon but I wouldn't have expected the Gallardo to offer a model below that of it's rivals unless they intend to make the switch to a smaller capacity engin as well. Also why retain a V8 NA, would it not be more cost effective to develop one V8 engine but in two versions of FI like what Audi are about to offer in the rest of their cars?

Another thing why would they need to offer the Gallardo with three engine options, has Lamborghini ever done such a thing in past, you usually get only deifferent model options and over time special additions with either less weight, more power from same engine or different drivetrain but nothing else. If you are correct then this will be a first.

[KresoF1]

A Gallardo with a V6 biturbo, surely you're joking?

I would expect the R8 to be offered with such an engine so that it's present price point can be retain or better still improved upon but I wouldn't have expected the Gallardo to offer a model below that of it's rivals unless they intend to make the switch to a smaller capacity engin as well. Also why retain a V8 NA, would it not be more cost effective to develop one V8 engine but in two versions of FI like what Audi are about to offer in the rest of their cars?

Another thing why would they need to offer the Gallardo with three engine options, has Lamborghini ever done such a thing in past, you usually get only deifferent model options and over time special additions with either less weight, more power from same engine or different drivetrain but nothing else. If you are correct then this will be a first.

You need to read my post more carefully. I wrote engines for R8/Gallardo and I did not wrote 3 engines for Gallardo. Gallardo will be offered with single engine. R8 with at least two engines.

Next thing-look way beyond current Audi engine line-up... V8 NA will be sourced from Porsche. Most likely all three engines will be sourced from Porsche.
Development potential of new Porsche engines that are used in Panamera is huge. Imagine true dry sump, biturbo, high reving NA version etc.

[darkop]

New Aventador engine is completely different engine then outgoing Murci engine. New V12 is 60 degrees V12 and bore/stroke are totally different then in Murci engine. It is mechanically smoother and is producing more power in complete rev range. At the same time torque is way better at low and mid rev range-that means even more responsive engine.

BTW, new V12 from Aventador can NOT be cut off to become V10. New V12 is classic 60 degrees angle V12 engine and for V10 usual angle is 90 degrees(or in some cases 56 degrees).
For new R8 and new Gallardo expect V6 biturbo, V8 NA and V8 biturbo engines. Current chances for V10 in any version are slim.

BS. Gallardo and R8 keep n/a V10 with NO V8 option! There is no place for turbos in mid-engined cars! Use of lighter materials will be the differentiation!
AUDI SOURCED 4.0 V8 TFSI will be used on ''normal'' S and RS line models!
Follow these pages...

[Joker]

You need to read my post more carefully. I wrote engines for R8/Gallardo and I did not wrote 3 engines for Gallardo. Gallardo will be offered with single engine. R8 with at least two engines.

Next thing-look way beyond current Audi engine line-up... V8 NA will be sourced from Porsche. Most likely all three engines will be sourced from Porsche.
Development potential of new Porsche engines that are used in Panamera is huge. Imagine true dry sump, biturbo, high reving NA version etc.

Your post didn't make that clear so how else was I meant to interpret it.

Are you saying that it's your opinion or you have hard evidence to suggest that the R8 and Gallardo will source their engines from Porsche, I find that hard to believe from a number of reasons not least the very fact that so they wanted a FI V8 engine then Audi have already a finished product in the form of the 4.0TFSI sitting that's quite capable of reaching the figures required to make the R8 and Gallardo competitive. Though if anything I would have felt that if they needed/wanted to retain an NA engine choice then why drop the V10 at all, the engine is not old and nor is it uncompetitive in terms of performance or emissions.

I don't have any reason to doubt what you are saying but on the other hand I don't have any reason why I should agree with you on this occasion.

BS. Gallardo and R8 keep n/a V10 with NO V8 option! There is no place for turbos in mid-engined cars! Use of lighter materials will be the differentiation!
AUDI SOURCED 4.0 V8 TFSI will be used on ''normal'' S and RS line models!
Follow these pages...

Quite right, I feel it's weight where the competitiveness of these two cars will come from more so that any engine change. The only thing I see different between the two is that the Gallardo will gain the same shell technology of the Avendator in it's entirety whilst the R8 will probably adopt some of it, thus allowing both to keep a healthy distance in terms of price and performance.