ideas? cleared and it's back

[Aronis]

Just like the DRC, I am call this one....ALL THE CAM TENSIONERS ON ALL THE RS6's are going to fail.....Heat, Oil, Metal on plastic at high speeds, and TIME.....BANG...

Buy a pair now, $750 each......

Mike

[EINHORN]

Ok, SAI still there in the car, no coding out. Already have and was the discoverer of the Blauparts kit with the plastic bits, do not yet have the cam tensioners, just the guides at this point.

Would have done the logging except the computer decided to lose all of the usb ports this morning which makes VAGCOMing a little difficult. Uninstall and rebooting finally fixed that after figuring our what that problem was as the VaG wouldn't work in the TT or the Q5. Initially thought the dongle had decided to check out.

[EINHORN]

Mike:

BTW OEM 685 now at ECS free shipping.

[EINHORN]

ISWING POSTED THIS:

"Hope it's not a cam adjust pad. You had those done a few years back though? Look at blocks 70-74, how do your cam adjust degrees look at idle? I have a few threads on the numbers and details.

Edit, blocks 91-93. http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/32...ht=#post283409"

those are the blocks to check!

Mike

Wrong thread here. Leads to a Bentley GT post.

[Aronis]

Mike:

BTW OEM 685 now at ECS free shipping.

Nice....I paid $720 at dealer, knocked down 10% or something like that...LOL and no shipping, I picked them up...I ship to myself for free.

Mike

[EINHORN]

So Saturday morning cam chain tensioner gurus. Here's the log of einhorn. Help, do I have $1500 worth of parts and a similar amount of labor in my future?:

	Group A:	'091				Group B:	'092				Group C:	'093
		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Adjustment	Adjustment		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Adjustment	Adjustment		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Phase Position	Phase Position
	TIME	(G28)		Status	Bank 1	TIME	(G28)		Status	Bank 2	TIME	(G28)		Bank 1	Bank 2
Marker	STAMP	/min	%		°KW	STAMP	/min	%		°KW	STAMP	/min	%	°KW	°KW
	0.29	760	20.3	OFF	-1	0.46	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	0.11	760	20.3	-7	-9
	0.8	760	20.3	OFF	-1	0.97	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	0.63	760	19.5	-7	-9
	1.32	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	1.5	760	20.3	OFF	0	1.14	760	19.5	-7	-9
	1.83	760	20.3	OFF	-2	2	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	1.66	760	20.3	-7	-9
	2.35	760	19.5	OFF	-1	2.52	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	2.17	760	19.5	-7	-9
	2.86	760	20.3	OFF	-1	3.03	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	2.69	760	20.3	-7	-9
	3.38	760	20.3	OFF	-1	3.55	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	3.2	760	20.3	-7	-9
	3.9	760	20.3	OFF	-1	4.07	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	3.73	760	20.3	-7	-9
	4.41	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	4.59	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	4.25	760	19.5	-7	-9
	4.94	760	19.5	OFF	-1	5.12	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	4.77	760	19.5	-7	-9
	5.47	760	20.3	OFF	-1.5	5.65	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	5.3	760	20.3	-7	-9
	5.99	760	20.3	OFF	-2	6.16	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	5.82	760	20.3	-7	-9
	6.52	760	19.5	OFF	-1	6.7	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	6.33	760	19.5	-7	-9
	7.03	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	7.22	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	6.86	760	19.5	-7	-9
	7.55	760	20.3	OFF	-1	7.72	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	7.38	760	20.3	-7	-9
	8.07	760	19.5	OFF	-1	8.25	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	7.89	760	19.5	-7	-9
	8.58	760	20.3	OFF	-1.5	8.75	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	8.41	760	20.3	-7	-9
	10.13	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	10.3	760	19.5	OFF	0	9.96	760	19.5	-7	-9
	10.67	760	20.3	OFF	-1	10.85	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	10.49	760	20.3	-7	-9
	11.2	760	20.3	OFF	-1.5	11.37	760	20.3	OFF	0	11.02	760	20.3	-7	-9
	11.72	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	11.89	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	11.54	760	19.5	-7	-9
	12.23	760	19.5	OFF	-1	12.41	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	12.05	760	19.5	-7	-9
	12.75	760	20.3	OFF	-1.5	12.92	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	12.59	760	19.5	-7	-9
	13.28	760	20.3	OFF	-1	13.44	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	13.1	760	20.3	-7	-9
	13.78	760	19.5	OFF	-1	13.96	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	13.61	760	19.5	-7	-9
	14.3	760	19.5	OFF	-2	14.47	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	14.13	760	19.5	-7	-9
	14.83	760	19.5	OFF	-1	15	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	14.65	760	19.5	-7	-9
	15.34	760	19.5	OFF	-1	15.51	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	15.17	760	20.3	-7	-9
	15.85	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	16.02	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	15.68	760	19.5	-7	-9
	16.37	760	19.5	OFF	-1	16.56	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	16.19	760	19.5	-7	-9
	16.92	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	17.09	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	16.73	760	19.5	-7	-9
	17.43	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	17.6	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	17.27	760	19.5	-7	-9
	17.94	760	19.5	OFF	-1	18.11	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	17.77	760	19.5	-7	-9
	18.46	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	18.64	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	18.28	760	19.5	-7	-9
	18.97	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	19.14	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	18.8	760	19.5	-7	-9
	19.49	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	19.66	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	19.32	760	19.5	-7	-9
	20	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	20.18	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	19.83	760	19.5	-7	-9
	20.52	760	19.5	OFF	-1	20.7	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	20.36	760	19.5	-7	-9
	21.04	760	19.5	OFF	-1	21.21	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	20.86	760	19.5	-7	-9
	21.55	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	21.74	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	21.38	760	19.5	-7	-9
	22.07	760	19.5	OFF	-1	22.24	760	19.5	OFF	-1	21.9	760	19.5	-7	-9
	22.59	760	20.3	OFF	-1.5	22.77	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	22.42	760	19.5	-7	-9
	23.13	760	19.5	OFF	-1	23.31	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	22.95	760	19.5	-7	-9
	23.66	760	19.5	OFF	-1	23.83	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	23.49	760	19.5	-7	-9
	24.18	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	24.35	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	24	760	19.5	-7	-9
	24.69	760	19.5	OFF	-1	24.86	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	24.52	760	19.5	-7	-9
	25.2	760	19.5	OFF	-1	25.36	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	25.03	760	19.5	-7	-9
	25.71	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	25.88	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	25.53	760	19.5	-7	-9
	26.22	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	26.4	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	26.05	760	19.5	-7	-9
	26.74	760	19.5	OFF	-1	26.91	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	26.57	760	19.5	-7	-9
	27.26	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	27.43	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	27.09	760	19.5	-7	-9
	27.77	760	19.5	OFF	-1	27.95	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	27.6	760	19.5	-7	-9
	28.31	760	19.5	OFF	-1.5	28.49	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	28.13	760	19.5	-7	-9
	28.84	760	19.5	OFF	-1	29.01	760	19.5	OFF	-0.5	28.66	760	19.5	-7	-9
	29.35	760	19.5	OFF	-1	29.52	760	19.5	OFF	-1	29.18	760	19.5	-7	-9
	29.86	760	20.3	OFF	-1.5	30.03	760	20.3	OFF	-0.5	29.69	760	19.5	-7	-9

[lswing]

I think you're fine with the phase positions being -7 and -9, meaning pads are in place/not broken and cam adjusters aren't having to try and push out of where they should be at idle.

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/32...rt-with-repair

[EINHORN]

So leak? Deceased SAI? >

17819 Secondary Air Injection System; Bank 2
P1411 - 02 Insufficient Flow -Mil On

[hahnmgh63]

Normal position -3.0' to 6.0' KW
Shifted position: 16.0' to 25.0' KW

[lswing]

So leak? Deceased SAI? >

17819 Secondary Air Injection System; Bank 2
P1411 - 02 Insufficient Flow -Mil On

Had the same code last year, just a leak. Took 30 minutes for shop to find and fix...

[EINHORN]

Normal position -3.0' to 6.0' KW
Shifted position: 16.0' to 25.0' KW

?so?ok?yes/no

[Aronis]

The numbers I recalled were -6 to +6, but I double checked in manual. it's -3 to +6 as said above. My car showed
-12 and +7 at idle and the cam tensioners were fried.



I'd consider looking in oil pain vs under valve cover? I found parts of the shoes in the oil pain, so that's a 'quick' way to look beside taking off the valve covers. The seal on the Oil pain would have to be re-done, it's a paste in a tube not a gasket. That is where the broken parts end up. Looking at the cam tensioners from above can only yield a false sense of security. I'd be concerned that the numbers are out of the normal range.

[Aronis]

note in the text shows this:

[Aronis]

Had the same code last year, just a leak. Took 30 minutes for shop to find and fix...

Iswing, where was the leak? My guy said he smoke tested and did not find a leak. LOL. I think it takes 20 minutes just to take the air cleaner off!

Do you think the pump could be weak and not supplying quite enough flow to yield an intermittent code?

Mike

[hahnmgh63]

What Aronis said but you should also do a lot and rev it up a little like lswing's above so you see the readings with the solenoid's on. Yours log is just at idle. Your probably going to have to take it on the road to put a load on it for it to kick the solenoids over.

[EINHORN]

Really thanks to everyone, Noob appreciates. Taking her for a ride shortly.

[Aronis]

I had another clue....my engine was running VERY rough LOL....(I know that is cheating....)!

Now it runs soooooo nice......more power......but that dam Secondary Air Pump Error LOL.......I'll fix that soon enough.

Mike

[EINHORN]

Logged during drive, for some reason couldn't figure put how to save it. I didn't see much change from my numbers above. Pretty consistent at idle 0 - 5, both banks, under load as high as 21.5, both sides, the negative 7 and 9 persist in block 93. So park it, buy the good tensioners, prepare for wallet draining?