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    Need help with Code (17114) Diagnostic , Please

    Greetings- Started up my car this morning,( was running, shifting fine yesterday) and noticed that my CEL was on. Put it into reverse and it hedged a bit, and then backed up OK, but felt wierd. Put it in to drive, and it hesitated again and the engine sounded like it was straining a bit. I took off slowly, noticing that all of my gear shift indicators P,R,N,1,2 were all lit up at the same time. RPMs seem consistant with MPH, but the car is bogging down when driven.I pulled back into my driveway right away and ran VagCom and came up with 17114 Gear Ratio Monitoring w/ PO730-35-00 Incorrect Gear Ratio code. As stated previously, the car has been running fine, transmission shifting fine, what would cause this from just sitting overnight, no prior symtoms of any problems? I'm going to crawl underneath shortly and check the level of my transmission fluid, but if that is good, what next??? Thanks, Paul
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    did the code disappear after restarting the car? if not, try to delete it with vagcom and see if it comes back, if so it is most likely the F125 switch...had the same issue one morning, restarted the car and it went away, so far so good, it didn't come back...there is nothing wrong with your fluid level, i wouldn't even bother checking it, check maybe for leaks, otherwise no.
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    Update, I installed a new (good used) f125 switch (Thanks Steve) and.....

    Pretty much the same thing. What I am trying to determine is if my slushbox is "toast" or are there a few more things that I can check. The Tiptronic does not seem to work at all, and as I said previously, all of the gear selections are illuminated at once. I'm not driving the car until I need to perform another test or something. So, now comes the big question, If I can determine that the transmission needs fixing or replacement , should I go with a O1E six speed or another slush box? I'm fairly confident that I can do the conversion myself, albeit with a little help from my friends , as I used to convert automatic Volvos and BMWs to four and five speeds back in the late 70's, early eighties. But, I might be open to throwing in another automatic if I could find one cheap enough.
    Two years ago I decided that I wasn't going to do the O1E transmission swap (when the Auto was still working fine) and bought a 1978 Porsche 911 SC instead. I've been gathering parts (needed a piston) for the Porsche , and planned on starting the engine build this month, now this happens. YUK! To make things worse, my nearly life long problem with my lower back has apexed, Orthopedic Doctor took me of my pain meds and gave me a weeks worth of Prednisone in preparation for an MRI this week. I'm hobbling around like a CRANKY old man , with two broken cars, Help! Thank you, Paul, Providence, RI
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    if the gearbox was perfectly working before this happened i'd say there is nothing wrong with it and since you do not have the dreaded TC code your tranny is alright....so what errors do you get now? if you still have the PRNDS all lit up then it could be the tiptronic switch under the gear lever plate...

    post a copy of the errors you get...
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    2004 AUdi RS6 C5, SE exhaust, RNS-E, 19' original rims - SOLD
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    I too would say it's not the trans, both of my failed trans exhibited slipping and clunking, never a single code.

    You check all wiring from TCU, and check TCU in passenger footwell to make sure there's no water or corrosion?

    Don't even think twice about going manual with a bad back. I got this car so that I could paddle shift, clutches are a nightmare for my bad back...

    Do you have a full vagcom reader, Ross-tech brand software? Do a full scan with details...
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    All the gear lights in the Instrument cluster just mean the TCU/ECU have put the tranny in safe mode. I think it is put in 3rd gear when in safe mode so if you try to start out the there is a lot of slippage until you get up to speed.
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    Wait...so in 15 minutes you installed and found a used f125 switch?
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    Took a little poetic licence with my posts.......

    due to being half crazed with the steroids. This actually stated about a week ago, I posted over on Audizine and Steve Ken then sent me a new/used f125 switch which took me a day or two to get around to installing due to the rain here in RI. I was actually surprised that I was able to remove the old switch and install the new one in under 2 hours as I had read a "tutorial" on the procedure that took 5 or 6 hours. In any case, I have Ross Tech VagCom, just having a hard time finding my logs at the moment. Do you remember where they end up when you "save" them. I can then post my results. Thank you, Paul
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    Glad you were able to try some troubleshooting. The main connection into the trans from the TCU isn't the greatest and can get dirty, try that. No water or corrosion around the TCU, passenger side under carpet. Just remove plastic edging along door line and you can lift up carpet. We actually found a screwdriver in there when I was swapping out for the MTM TCU.

    Good luck with the back, that can knock you out for a while, mine has been bad for about 4 years, finally getting a bit better with time and basic exercises.

    After a scan, you've got the option to save the log, it's manual at that point, but it might default to Documents. I always name them regarding the scan, and direct to a folder of car stuff. Did you manually save it after your last scan? If so, try Documents...or got to C: drive > Ross-Tech, dig around in there...
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    Found it . Please tell me what you think. Thanks, Paul

    Monday,26,May,2014,09:57:40:25814
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
    VCDS Version: 12.12.2.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20140212

    VIN: WAUXU64B92N039870 License Plate: A-234
    Mileage: 142612 Repair Order: 5-26-2014

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Chassis Type: 4B (4B - Audi A6 C5 (1998 > 2006))
    Scan: 01 02 03 06 08 15 16 17 18 22 34 35 36 37 45 55 56 57 65 67
    75 76 77

    VIN: WAUXU64B92N039870
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine Labels: Redir Fail!
    Part No: 4D0 907 559 B
    Component: 4.2L V8/5V G 0001
    Coding: 06752
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 2D5AE8F0E775E876001-513C
    WAUXU64B92N039870 AUZ7Z0A1946007
    1 Fault Found:
    18032 - MIL Request Signal Active (Check TCM for errors too!)
    P1624 - 35-00 -
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01L-927-156.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 927 156 EQ
    Component: AG5 01L 4.2l5V USA 1010
    Coding: 00022
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 7AF013AC66BB8FCED53-5120
    2 Faults Found:
    17114 - Gear Ratio Monitoring
    P0730 - 35-00 - Incorrect Gear Ratio
    17090 - Transmission Range Sensor (F125)
    P0706 - 35-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4B0-614-517.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 614 517 E
    Component: ABS/ESP allrad 1328
    Coding: 06397
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 234E0EC8B1B12E06A65-513C
    1 Fault Found:
    01119 - Gear Recognition Signal
    35-10 - - - Intermittent
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass Labels: None
    Part No: 4B0 959 760 C
    Component: Sitzmemory R1 BF 0102
    Coding: 00003
    Shop #: WSC 00000
    VCID: 2D5AE8F0E775E876001-4AE6
    1 Fault Found:
    00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
    07-00 - Signal too Low
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 4B0-820-043-MY2.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 820 043 AD
    Component: A6-Klimavollautomat 0105
    Coding: 00010
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 5CBC7534CC4F51FEA7F-2578
    3 Faults Found:
    01809 - Actuating Motor for Temperature Flap; Left (V158)
    41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
    01592 - Air Quality Sensor (G238)
    57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
    01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
    27-00 - Implausible Signal
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags Labels: 4B0-959-655-AI84.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 959 655 N
    Component: Airbag 8.4E 3001
    Coding: 0000307
    Shop #: WSC 02314 785 00200
    VCID: 3B7ED6A8790176C68E5-513C
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 4B0-920-xxx-17.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 920 981 Q
    Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. VDO D07
    Coding: 03283
    Shop #: WSC 00001
    VCID: 346CFD94045FB9BE4FF-513C
    WAUXU64B92N039870 AUZ7Z0A1946007
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 4B0-962-258.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 962 258 J
    Component: Central Lock/Alarm D35
    Coding: 15885
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 3064F184F047859E2B7-4EB0
    8 Faults Found:
    01366 - Opened Due to Crash Signal
    35-00 - -
    01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
    35-00 - -
    01572 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Passenger Side
    35-00 - -
    01374 - Alarm triggered by Terminal 15
    35-00 - -
    01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
    35-00 - -
    00956 - Key 2
    09-10 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed - Intermittent
    01559 - Drivers Door
    58-10 - Can't Lock - Intermittent
    01562 - Rear Right Door
    59-00 - Can't Unlock
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: None
    Part No: 4B0 959 760 B
    Component: Sitzmemory R1 F 0101
    Coding: 00001
    Shop #: WSC 00000
    VCID: 2C5CE5F4DC6FE17E17F-4AE6
    1 Fault Found:
    00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
    07-00 - Signal too Low
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 37: Navigation Labels: 4B0-919-887-BNS4.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 919 887 D
    Component: BNS 4.1 H05 BNO 0005
    VCID: 346CFD94045FB9BE4FF-4ACE
    1 Fault Found:
    65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
    00-00 - -
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-178.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 951 178 A
    Component: Innenraumueberw. D04
    Coding: 00102
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 264817DCC283DB2EC1B-5120
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 4Z7-907-357.lbl
    Part No: 4Z7 907 357
    Component: dynamische LWR D06
    Coding: 00050
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 040C6D54147FC93EBFF-4B32
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 035 195 J
    Component: symphony II NP2 0006
    Coding: 00211
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 27561AD8C589C226FAD-4E94
    No fault code found.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist Labels: 8Z0-919-283.lbl
    Part No: 8Z0 919 283
    Component: Parkingsyst. A6 RDW D08
    Coding: 01106
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 02006B4C0E6BC70E8D3-5120
    1 Fault Found:
    01548 - Sensor for Parking Aid; Rear Right (G206)
    37-00 - Faulty
    End ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    2002 Audi S6, 2000 VW Passat , 1978 Porsche 911 SC, 1993 Alfa Romeo 164

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    looks like you have a lot of codes that related to low battery voltage. I would charge it, clear the codes and see if it goes into limp mode as soon as you turn the ignition on or when you start the car or only when you put it in D.
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    Just what Tozo said. Drive it after charging the battery and clearing the codes. Put the car on a charger prior to checking the codes next time also. If the car has been sitting for a while the battery can drain fairly quickly or you may just have a weak battery. May still have a tranny problem but many of those codes probably won't return.
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    Battery only starts the car guys. It's the voltage from the alternator that's important. Ensure you're charging in excess of 14 volts. 14.4 is spec.
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    During engine cranking a weak battery will cause many fault codes that will be stored until cleared. Some faults do and some don't affect systems when they're stored. If you've ever faulted for overboost you will see no CEL but you will have reduced boost until the car has been shut off and restarted. Cars are much more sensitive to voltage/current interuptions and greater/weaker voltage currents nowadays. Newer cars are now much worse than even the RS6 when it comes to this.
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    as the others said, charge the battery first, then clear the codes, drive it a bit and do a new scan . Also, i see that you still have the F125 error, did you delete it after replacing the switch? if so, it means the new/used switch is faulty.
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    The battery was nearly dead ........

    when I went to start it yesterday, wierd, as the car had only been sitting 4 or 5 days and the battery is less than 2 years old. In any case,I'll charge the battery, clear the codes, and scan it all over again. I'
    ll post later this morning when I get back home. Thanks, Paul
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    I got a slew of fault codes from a dying battery as well. Replaced with an Autozone exact match + higher CCA rating, cleared codes never came back. That said, once you've charged and restarted, take a look at your voltage gauge (bottom right of instrument cluster) - should be swept towards the 1:30PM position, somewhere between 13.6 and 14.8v while the car is running. If it's too low, you will get codes related to low signal voltage sporadic random and is most likely the alternator diode (3-4hr replacement, but hell on your back) or full alternator replacement ($$$ and same timeframe / pain in the sacroiliac joint)

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    Battery is all charged up...... Here is the NEW Code log

    I should also mention that it was a little wet under the carpet around the TCM. I opened up the black plastic case and it appeared to be bone dry. Anything else to check while I am in here?? Thank you, Paul Tuesday,27,May,2014,13:13:34:25814
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
    VCDS Version: 12.12.2.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20140212


    VIN: WAUXU64B92N039870 License Plate: A-234
    Mileage: 142612 Repair Order: 5-27-2014



    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Chassis Type: 4B (4B - Audi A6 C5 (1998 > 2006))
    Scan: 01 02 03 06 08 15 16 17 18 22 34 35 36 37 45 55 56 57 65 67
    75 76 77

    VIN: WAUXU64B92N039870
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine Labels: Redir Fail!
    Part No: 4D0 907 559 B
    Component: 4.2L V8/5V G 0001
    Coding: 06752
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 2D5AE8F0E775E876001-5120
    WAUXU64B92N039870 AUZ7Z0A1946007

    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0110 0101

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01L-927-156.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 927 156 EQ
    Component: AG5 01L 4.2l5V USA 1010
    Coding: 00022
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 7AF013AC66BB8FCED53-5120

    1 Fault Found:
    17114 - Gear Ratio Monitoring
    P0730 - 35-00 - Incorrect Gear Ratio

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4B0-614-517.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 614 517 E
    Component: ABS/ESP allrad 1328
    Coding: 06397
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 234E0EC8B1B12E06A65-513C

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass Labels: None
    Part No: 4B0 959 760 C
    Component: Sitzmemory R1 BF 0102
    Coding: 00003
    Shop #: WSC 00000
    VCID: 2D5AE8F0E775E876001-4B00

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 4B0-820-043-MY2.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 820 043 AD
    Component: A6-Klimavollautomat 0105
    Coding: 00010
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 5CBC7534CC4F51FEA7F-2578

    1 Fault Found:
    01592 - Air Quality Sensor (G238)
    57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags Labels: 4B0-959-655-AI84.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 959 655 N
    Component: Airbag 8.4E 3001
    Coding: 0000307
    Shop #: WSC 02314 785 00200
    VCID: 3B7ED6A8790176C68E5-5120

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 4B0-920-xxx-17.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 920 981 Q
    Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. VDO D07
    Coding: 03283
    Shop #: WSC 00001
    VCID: 346CFD94045FB9BE4FF-5120
    WAUXU64B92N039870 AUZ7Z0A1946007

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 4B0-962-258.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 962 258 J
    Component: Central Lock/Alarm D35
    Coding: 15885
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 3064F184F047859E2B7-4E94

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: None
    Part No: 4B0 959 760 B
    Component: Sitzmemory R1 F 0101
    Coding: 00001
    Shop #: WSC 00000
    VCID: 2C5CE5F4DC6FE17E17F-4B00

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 37: Navigation Labels: 4B0-919-887-BNS4.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 919 887 D
    Component: BNS 4.1 H05 BNO 0005
    VCID: 346CFD94045FB9BE4FF-4ACE

    1 Fault Found:
    65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
    00-00 - -

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-178.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 951 178 A
    Component: Innenraumueberw. D04
    Coding: 00102
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 264817DCC283DB2EC1B-5120

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 4Z7-907-357.lbl
    Part No: 4Z7 907 357
    Component: dynamische LWR D06
    Coding: 00050
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 040C6D54147FC93EBFF-4B64

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 035 195 J
    Component: symphony II NP2 0006
    Coding: 00211
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 27561AD8C589C226FAD-4E94

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist Labels: 8Z0-919-283.lbl
    Part No: 8Z0 919 283
    Component: Parkingsyst. A6 RDW D08
    Coding: 01106
    Shop #: WSC 02325
    VCID: 02006B4C0E6BC70E8D3-5120

    1 Fault Found:
    01548 - Sensor for Parking Aid; Rear Right (G206)
    37-00 - Faulty

    End ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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