Buyer beware of the Sportec RS600

[DHall1]

I think we have been more than fair as with regards to that RS600. Several members have seen this car in person and have subjective opinions about its condition and state of tune. I'm 100% in agreement with all your posts in this matter and its why we are all here. I think any forum member can make grown up decision and all the subjective feedback helps the direction. In the end, we all understand subjective opinions and we move forward. No name calling or derogatory statements to the seller were made but he/they became very defensive about the whole thing. Oh well, put your ad on Autotrader and leave us alone then.

Yes Dave, there are people here that have far more intimate knowlegde of this car than you or I, and prefer to stay anonymous. I"m OK with that and understand.
I was just posting my limited knowledge, experience, and opinion of the car and situation. MY opinion is: I can build a car like that for way less money and WAY less headaches. I'm not sayng the car is a POS, I'm just saying I don't think it's worth all the money people are trading for it. Good luck to anyone that obtains it. If nothing else, it is a piece of history now!!!

[ttboost]

There is an a$$ for every seat. Good luck to the future owners of that car...I'm sure there will be many...

[Erik]

The For Sale thread wasn't deleted, mods can still see it. It was moved on the thread starter's wish, and I can understand why.

Difficult call, do we (I) allow for sale post or not?

The easiest way for me would just be to delete any for sale threads (cars or whatever), on the other hand I Think a lot of members probably benefit from them (on both sides of the sale).

We've had some instances with people buying (and unfortunately paying) for stuff they never got - it's the internet and shit happens if you're not careful!

As it is anyone can post a for sale thread in the normal section, as there's a limited amount of these posts.

However I really don't like these kind of threads, like this one and the development. Too much negative.

[ThrillHouse]

I find this incredibly positive. Everyone may have an opinion on value, power, condition or history but the real concerns of legality are what the real concern is rooted in. I had read the original and was happy/proud to see this when a real concern was had. This is what makes this community here one of, if not the best. I have been involved in a lot forums over the years but this one is truly something different.

[Other_Erik]

The For Sale thread wasn't deleted, mods can still see it. It was moved on the thread starter's wish, and I can understand why.

Difficult call, do we (I) allow for sale post or not?

The easiest way for me would just be to delete any for sale threads (cars or whatever), on the other hand I Think a lot of members probably benefit from them (on both sides of the sale).

We've had some instances with people buying (and unfortunately paying) for stuff they never got - it's the internet and shit happens if you're not careful!

As it is anyone can post a for sale thread in the normal section, as there's a limited amount of these posts.

However I really don't like these kind of threads, like this one and the development. Too much negative.

Please keep in mind I'm coming at this having _just_ purchased a vehicle that I found on this board. I'd probably still be looking for another beast if it weren't for the threads here, because every one that I found needed THOUSANDS of dollars worth of work. (think $8k or more, every single time)

That said, I've seen this kind of debate from both sides, and can suggest the following:
1) To POST anything forsale or fortrade, picture(s) with _your account name_ in big bold letters on a piece of paper in them are required, as well as a [FS], [FT], or [FS/FT] tag in the title
2) Payment terms need to be very clear - Smaller items Cash at pickup or paypal verified for goods, not gift payment. Larger items (vehicles, crate engines, basically anything that PayPal won't cover either side due to value/subjective value), Cash at pickup or certified cashiers' check only
3) RS6.com will take no liability in the case of fraud on the part of any buyer or seller, the facility to buy and sell parts/vehicles on the board is a privilege extended to members only, and may be removed with no notice for any reason / no reason whatsoever.

In this particular case, my only advice would be to _not_ allow the sale of a vehicle with questionable legal status until such time as proof can be shown that the vehicle has been approved by the Federal DOT for use on US roads, and that it has been titled with serial number by the owner.

[1uglymug]

In this particular case, my only advice would be to _not_ allow the sale of a vehicle with questionable legal status until such time as proof can be shown that the vehicle has been approved by the Federal DOT for use on US roads, and that it has been titled with serial number by the owner.

Excellent idea!

[na1mt]

On the other forum I am a member on all Cars for Sale ads must be accompanied by pics of the vin tag or be deleted.

[hahnmgh63]

I would just think that buyer beware is good enough. Maybe someone wants an off-road only car? People have to be responsible for their own action and make their own decisions as to whether it is worth it or not. I am guilty of bringing in a Euro only model Lancia 25+ years ago and working it out to get a title. I said working it out, it had a DOT/EPA sticker, enough said but I never tried to sell it to anyone but I would have to the right buyer. Just saying I don't believe or count on big brother or anyone else looking after me.

[4everRS]

We don't need to be fixing what's not broken here. If you have something for sale, post it and hopefully sell it. The buyer needs to do a bit of due diligence on the purchase side. If its a new member with 6 posts that's selling something, personally, I would be cautious. If its a member that has been reputable in the past, I'm not as worried.

Keep it as is. We have the best Audi forum on the World Wide Web.

[1uglymug]

People should take personal responsibility, I'm with ya.

But what harm would it be to ask a seller to post the VIN number if he/she is suggesting that this is a legal drivable car in the US? If it is a car that is an "off-road only car" then the seller should say so. I don't see this as big brother. I just see this as "clarification".

[4everRS]

I agree 100%.

I just don't think the forum moderators should be in any way responsible to police this.

People should take personal responsibility, I'm with ya.

But what harm would it be to ask a seller to post the VIN number if he/she is suggesting that this is a legal drivable car in the US? If it is a car that is an "off-road only car" then the seller should say so. I don't see this as big brother. I just see this as "clarification".

[DHall1]

The only Police we need is for someone put the little black RS600 out of its pain and misery.

[1uglymug]

You are probably right… just added headache for them.

And in all honesty, I don't think folks on here would let the sale of an unauthorized vehicle or even a RS6 clone sold as a "authorized authentic" go on unnoticed.

[bmwade]

You are probably right… just added headache for them.

And in all honesty, I don't think folks on here would let the sale of an unauthorized vehicle or even a RS6 clone sold as a "authorized authentic" go on unnoticed.

Yep, everyone pointed out the issues with the sportec car when it went up for sale, and if the new buyer had come here pre-purchase then they could have found out all the info he needed.

And the same goes for every other car. The collective knowledge of this forum constantly patrols FS cars and points out possible shortcomings.

[lowered97a4]

What is it any of your buisness where the car goes or what happens to it Dhall1, you were harassing marc and I about the car about paper work. Mind ur own shit stop making drama on the forums if someone wants to know anything about the car you can ask. People sell cars on the forums track car setup gutted no airbags blah blah give me a break everyone knows about the car why keep throwing fuel into the fire, i sold it to a guy hes happy with it he knew what he purchased, maybe one day you will have a 6speed rs6 yourself goodluck

[lswing]

What is it any of your buisness where the car goes or what happens to it Dhall1, you were harassing marc and I about the car about paper work. Mind ur own shit stop making drama on the forums if someone wants to know anything about the car you can ask. People sell cars on the forums track car setup gutted no airbags blah blah give me a break everyone knows about the car why keep throwing fuel into the fire, i sold it to a guy hes happy with it he knew what he purchased, maybe one day you will have a 6speed rs6 yourself goodluck

Great attitude, and grammer. I'd say in general people with rs6's care about the other cars and want folks to have a good experience. Even if said owner is happy, who knows just what the condition or performance of the car really is. Hopefully it's doing well!

[lowered97a4]

Lol i dont care about my spelling right now, its annoying when you have this guy calling you and emailing about the car for a couple years has no interest in the car and just wants to bother you and annoy you thats all. Im sure you will be seeing pictures and posts on it here soon hes gone thru the car fixed and cleaned the car up a lot im happy it went to a great owner!!!

[bmwade]

Im sure you will be seeing pictures and posts on it here soon hes gone thru the car fixed and cleaned the car up a lot im happy it went to a great owner!!!

So your admitting the car was a piece of crap? From the mercedes forum it looks like the issues were as follows: "Wheels re done, oils changed, exhaust leaks fixed, AC is not working, radio was not working, and the title was not in hand yet."


We all knew about the title issues, and I think I saw the ac mentioned by someone, but the rest of these are icing on the cake! Who knows what else will come up! Plus it has been repainted...hope the buyer got a good deal! I can't wait to hear from him!!