The next Audi RS6 and RS7 (2013/14)

[Brav]

Plus they said the price point is too high, maybe 180K Euro

Impossible. They will not price it higher than an R8..

[kip]

Impossible. They will not price it higher than an R8..

Sorry, but you are wrong, where I live the previous RS6 cost 10% more than the R8 V8.

[kilian tuning]

love it already...

[bmwade]

Audi is out of their damn minds! So what if the ugly ass Mercedes E-class and BMW 5-series wagons don't fly out of the showroom floors, I guarantee they could make the RS6 Avant only available in hot pink over lime green and if they set a limit of 800-1000 units for the US they would still sell them all on preorder!! How many people on this forum would rather have an avant than a sedan? I know I would actually pay more if it was an option!! Get your head out of your ass and give us our damn avant already!

[Brav]

I dont know how they can equate the "average american's" style preference to the cult-like following of the RS owners' preferences. 1000 Avant units to the US - all will be sold.

What a bunch of bullsh*t. Who makes these decisions? Have they not seen people selling REAL B5 RS4's in the US for like 4x the price of an S4? Have they not seen Avants going for a lot more than sedans?

[Chung]

But if it costs 120k to repair I think Audi will just lose money on it

[bmwade]

Maybe we could get a petition with at least 500 sigs of people wanting to put down a deposit and send to them? Like a group buy for RS6 Avants? LOL

[4everRS]

No way it is over 125k usd. I'd even be a little surprised if it was over 115.

What I wouldn't be surprised is that they don't bring the avant. I disagree with that, but I think Audi is too risk averse for that.

[Joker]

Not that I'm in a position to buy one but this figure is not what dealers are telling their customers because I was told £82-85k. This figure of €180k sounds redicilious.

[kismetcapitan]

wasn't it said that the C6 RS6 never was imported because it would cost Audi $160,000? Believe it when they say they don't make money on us; the US market is so price competitive that cars that have fat margins are more the exception than the rule.

A lighter, smaller RS6 would be nice. And it should be both an Avant, and the most powerful car Audi sells - which means more power than the R8 GT. This is simply keeping in tradition with previous RS6s.

A PDK transmission would be nice; although will it be the VW/Audi DSG? Collaboration with Porsche on RS models is again, nothing new.

A revised quattro system similar to the R8 would be nice as well. They should really rethink how and when torque is distributed; even the 30:70 split of the R8 plus midengine layout, and it still isn't free of the Audi understeer gremlin.

Finally, I'd like to see a very, VERY aggressive rendition of the A6 styling. Since the current styling language is fairly angular, a return of ur-quattro fender flares would, at least to me, look pretty damned good

[chewym]

My speculation is that the price should be between 105-120 thousand Euros in Germany. The current M5 is 103,000 and E63 is 106,000 euro and the S8 is 111,000 Euros. (S8 is 110,000 USD in US) Considering the discount at which BMW/MB sells the M5/E63in the US (both start @ 89,000 USD) pricing the RS6 becomes a little hard in the US and you can see why the last RS6 didn't make it here. Ideally Audi would want to price the RS6 at 105-115,000 USD but again the M5/E63 pricing complicates things.

If the RS6 is Avant only then there is 0% of it coming to the US. Expect to see an RS7 for the US in that case. If there is a sedan for rest of the world then RS6 should come to the US also. Considering MB sells both the CLS63 AMG and E63 AMG and BMW probably will sell both M5 and M6 Grand Coupe Audi should do both. But most likely the decision is already made and I fear Audi is getting confused with Avant/coupe only combo. I don't see how much extra costs there are when making a sedan and Avant version as the body shell probably doesn't make too much of a difference aside from a little extra weight and aerodynamics.

But a lot can/ will depend on how the soon to be released S6 and S7 (and maybe a bit S8) do salewsise against eachother as that should be a good test case for RS6 vs. RS7 decision. Currently the A6 does 2-3x the sales of the A7 but some of that is probably due to pricing and the ratio probably gets more even when looking at more optioned up A6 models vs. comparably priced A7s. In the best case both the S6 and S7 sell very well and both RS6 and RS7 make it here. Another good result would be for the S6 to make up the same or higher % of total A6 sales as the 550i to 5 series and E550 to E class total.

To sum it up, tell all your friends to buy an S6 or lease one now to increase the chance of an RS6 coming to the US.

[The RS6]

Regarding the engine ... new S8 modified by ABT develops 620Hp.

[Qisha]

Regarding the engine ... new S8 modified by ABT develops 620Hp.

...640 HP and 780 NM (Engine Code: CGTA) to be exact.

[S6V10Avant]

Qisha, Can we hope for the new RS6 and RS7 within this year ?

[ben916]

I agree with Bigglesworth, it certainly doesn't grab me. It actually looks like the current "Allroad" with a new bumper and some rims

I like the subtle lines and yet the agro stance of the C5 RS6.
To me, it only takes one glance to know what a C5 RS6 is.
It should make your heart skip a beat.
It should make you crane your neck to get a closer look.
It should make you point casually and say "look at that!".
It should make you appreciate the subtle thunderous power under the hood and make you desire to pilot one (not in a Veyron-esque love affair).

You shouldn't have to search for visual cues of a badge or stainless mirrors or a different bumper or the calipers to figure out what a C5 RS6 is...
I can't say that for the C6 RS6, nor this one...

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It is actually rather sad that some of the halo cars that Audi "thinks" the North America doesn't want, are actually the cars the population wants.
Yet we are force fed A4's, A6's, A8's, Q5, Q7... Should I take the red pill or the blue one?
The US has no Audi diesels except an A3 in FWD and a Q7 in 3.6 (where are all the rest? Where is the Q7 V12 diesel?)

If Audi "thinks" that they are unable to sell RS models or even an Avant: how does Merc do it with all the AMG models, diesel models? BMW with their "M" models?
What about those TOP sales numbers posted by Audi year after year?
What about all these "development" platforms for Le Mans? etc, etc, etc.

It IS frustrating to the point of almost giving up on the Audi Brand...
}
End_RANT

Continue as you were...

[bmwade]

Begin_RANT {
It is actually rather sad that some of the halo cars that Audi "thinks" the North America doesn't want, are actually the cars the population wants.
Yet we are force fed A4's, A6's, A8's, Q5, Q7... Should I take the red pill or the blue one?
The US has no Audi diesels except an A3 in FWD and a Q7 in 3.6 (where are all the rest? Where is the Q7 V12 diesel?)

If Audi "thinks" that they are unable to sell RS models or even an Avant: how does Merc do it with all the AMG models, diesel models? BMW with their "M" models?
What about those TOP sales numbers posted by Audi year after year?
What about all these "development" platforms for Le Mans? etc, etc, etc.

It IS frustrating to the point of almost giving up on the Audi Brand...
}
End_RANT

I agree 10,000%! Audi wants to be king of the luxury mountain then they need to provide an alternative to at least most of the other companies lineups! We currently get 2 RS cars compared to Mercedes offering almost every car in their lineup in AMG flavor, and BMW doing the same! Hell we can buy massive SUV's with insanely powerful engines and we can't even get a freeking v6 wagon let alone the 1 car everyone on this forum really wants!

[bobski]

Believe me, it looks amazing in person.

[chewym]

Begin_RANT {
It is actually rather sad that some of the halo cars that Audi "thinks" the North America doesn't want, are actually the cars the population wants.
Yet we are force fed A4's, A6's, A8's, Q5, Q7... Should I take the red pill or the blue one?
The US has no Audi diesels except an A3 in FWD and a Q7 in 3.6 (where are all the rest? Where is the Q7 V12 diesel?)

If Audi "thinks" that they are unable to sell RS models or even an Avant: how does Merc do it with all the AMG models, diesel models? BMW with their "M" models?
What about those TOP sales numbers posted by Audi year after year?
What about all these "development" platforms for Le Mans? etc, etc, etc.

It IS frustrating to the point of almost giving up on the Audi Brand...
}
End_RANT

Continue as you were...

To be fair to Audi of America they just don't sell enough A4, A6, A8, Q7s to get much freedom from Germany. BMW and Mercedes sell almost 2.5 times more cars per year in the US which makes special editions mucj easier to pull of. Add limited RS availability and euro to USD exchange rate and US certification costs and the limited US lineup begins to make sense.

How many 130,000 Q7 V12 TDI diesels would they have sold in America? Audi even canceled it in Europe.