Originally Posted by Erik
Oh I think we just got a need for a scan and a quick translation.
Oh I think we just got a need for a scan and a quick translation.
Always wonder why the GT3 is so fast. Has alot hp less (on paper..) but still can compete with V12 Vantage, R8 V10, Bentleys...
The 997.1 GT3 they had last year or two years ago (iirc) was also very fast with its "only" 415 hp.
Maybe the guys in Weissach are aerodynamic cracks or the 911 overall shape is wind slippery.. even with fat wings on the back.
Just like Nissan "airflow can become power..."
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Besides the 0-100, top speed, ... figures
The handling course times are very interresting (right below the top speed in the scan)
R8 V10 just beaten by the "out of the world" Murci and 911 GT3
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Not sure what the stock time is but with a Stage 2 Cobb AP it drops to low 30s. All of which costs less than $500.
EDIT: Yikes, were them 0-200kph times against a head-wind and up a hill?
funny, so many german gtr users with big problems, sems that german highspeed motorways are not made for gtr.
So how should survive a tuned gtr to 600 hp or more if already standard broke after a few miles...
more to read on gtr-owners.de if somebobdy is interested.
And dont trake your gtr otherwise your garantie seems to be broken if you dont get an oil change in your next HPC...
Not more than respectable?
Yes I know the RUF's can do better.
Funny but there's a lot of people running 700+whp without anything like as much problems as a couple of idiots have found. Plenty of German users on the UK gtr site without any problems too. The only German GTR users with problems are Porsche employees. Tehy have problems because they don't maintain them:
http://minkara.carview.co.jp/userid/...blog/10609494/
Just looking at those results, how the hell does a V12 Vantage take 15.6s to get to 200kph?
@z07 a couples of idiot
i think you should respect other people, and specialy if the owners have problems with the Gtr dont get the point about idiots...
it is quit easy, maybee 100 gtrs are sold in germany maybee 50 in switzerland so far, and yes at least 10% having problems.
Engine failures, drivertrains lost, etc.
And you telling my 700+ with no changing of any hardware is relable...
Why the v spec doestn got a power step by the factory (not speaking about 5 hp, but about 100 hp) if it is so easy to make it relable with extra horse power...
So in all respect even if you are a great gtr fan or maybee owner, there are a lot of troubles by german users with there gtrs, and specialy waiting to get the car repaird over 6 weeks or longuer, i dont call that premium...
Relaible and fast isnt cheap, cheap and fast isnt relaible, cheap and relailbe isnt fast......
Clutch upgrade and that's about it. The only problem I'm aware of was with repetitive launching with the original 3500rpm launch control software. That was more down to wheel-hop combined with abuse than anything else. Since then Nissan modified the LC software to launch at 2500rpm, changed the wheel bearings to reduce wheel hop and modified the mapping to ensure that 0-60 was achieved just as fast. Tuners have also developed aftermarket gear sets to allow the use of the more aggressive LC software for drag enthusiasts.
The only other issues I'm aware of, is something to do with the transmission software, which was common across all units including those used by Porsche PDKs - now fixed - and the fact that the clutches are only good for ~600whp - now fixed with aftermarket units good for 800whp.
Because it does, it's just not commonly acknowledged. The turbos on the SpecV are very different to those on the base model and it makes about 7mph more on the quarter. That equates to more than a 60kg weight difference
Some garages suck. Same with any marque. I know Porsche and Aston drivers who've never even seen their car in the first 3 months of ownership because they've had that many problems and the service has sucked so much.
You should take horror stories you hear on the internet with a pinch of salt. I was told that my R32 GTR would need an upgraded crank, baffled sump and all sorts of shit to be subject to intensive driving frequently, yet here I am after 40,000 miles of running 400-odd bhp and using it almost everywhere all the time.
I've seen a BMW 320 grind its transmission because the dumbass never serviced it for 40,000 miles. I've seen Z06 engines explode after a 'mild tune' on the great internet. And now I see early production GTR gearboxes failing when launched 100+ times in a row on one night. Other users managing 20 launches over a few weeks with no problems. Any car will fail if subjected to such abuse but most will let go of the clutch first. So the problem wasn't a weak gearbox but a strong clutch in many respects. Either way, I'm sure I could own an R35 and drive it enthusiastically without ever experiencing half of these ass-hat problems and that's the test for me, as it is for many of the current happy owners.
Do you not think that just maybe, given Porsche's, shall we say, economic woes, they might have been quite desperate to wreak havoc on Nissan with propaganda. It all stinks of desperation from a failing company just prior to insolvency and takeover.
For my point of view, the gtr was announced by a 7:29 nürburgring lap time, fantastic.
Now you own a car you track it, after every track you have to visite the nissan hpc center to check your car for keeping the warranty a life.. Thats just not what i want.
the gt3 you track you go home you track again, warranty is never in issue, also the r8 for example, where you dont lose your waranty by tracking the car.
Gt2 manuels says " dont track the car bevor the first 2000km...)
Why does the gtr have sutch a strange warranti. Why doe i have to replace the oil when depassing a certain temprature, otherwise warranty is lost.
I dont know how this warranty issues are in other countrys, but it affects germany, ant that is a now go.
vspec may have other turbos, but the output is just about 5 hp more than normal (if a am correct) by less wight, but again if he is so relable he should have at least 50 hp more under warranty.
i dont know how it is in other countries, but i never heard so mutch bad news as about the gtr facing to the facts that he is so new in the market, not mutch more than 100 units sold right know in Germany. And than you read about a high speed test in nardo were the engin blew up after on fast high speed lap...
That is just not what you wanne here.
At the end, everybody have to be happy with what he get, i know for my part gtr will never be an alternat choice over the german premium cars... even if they cost the double of the nissan
In Greece a friend of mine after 5000 kms and no lunch control broke down because of tranny issue suddenly.Dealer replaced it.But he worries for future....Another GTR with 600 ps broke down and he paid 15000 euro for tranny raplacement.Porsche turbo can manage 600 PS without problem.
Friend of mine same issue. Tranny broke without reason (they replaced it but it took over 8 weeks) end a few weeks later his engine blew. He will receive a new engine but his confidence in this car is shattered.
Sad though because it really is an amazing car. I drove it and it was a blast. It's not the nicest looking cars around but it sure serves it's purpose ... if it works
BTW, high speed test also in new issue of Sport Auto.
Porsche 997.2 Turbo PDK results:
0-100km/h: 3.1s
0-200km/h:10.8s
0-300km/h:41.9s
Weight: 1606kg
Nice!
So the 458 gets an asswhooping till 100 but then it goes over the Porsche (10.4s to 200) ... if the numbers are correct from Ferrari.
does audi have an answer for the 997.2 PDK? i think not.
Past- A4, TT, S4
Present- R8 V10
Hmm... We will see.
Currently only cars that are faster are 458 Italia and new McLaren.
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