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    Rs 6 Track Days

    Hi All
    I Am New To The Forum But Your Advise Is Needed.

    I Have A Rs6 2004 , Std , Which I Finally Took To The Track( Kyalami , South Africa), It Was A Horrible Experience . The Car Was A Boat And Handled Extremely Badly And It Felt That The Power Had Also Gone A Bit.shocked With My Times ,
    I Climbed In A Stock Vw Gti 07 And Clocked The Exact Time As I Did With The Rs6.
    Do I Have Problems With The Drc Or Management System ???
    Or Is This Car Just Not Meant To Be Near A Track ,
    I Fealt A Bit Better When A Rs4 ( With A Racing Driver) Clocked Only 2 Seconds Faster .

    Can I Get This Car Track Ready Or Am I Wasting My Time .

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    Question 1: Does "Std" mean manual transmission? If so, are you sure the car you're driving is a real RS6?

    Otherwise I don't understand why you would feel bad about it keeping up with a VW GTi on a track and only 2 seconds slower than an RS4? Those other 2 cars were made for tight turns and track conditions. To think that your RS6 (weighing a ton more and able to hold 5 adults) can keep up while outrunning them on open Autobahn, I think is incredible.

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    not at all - new m5 is 10 seconds faster
    auto- tip tronic transmission and yes it is a rs6 thanks
    standerd as in no ecu,shocks or exhaust.

    rs 4 should also be ashamed of its time
    bmw csl - 8 seconds faster

    rs6 is between 200---500 kg heavier then the rs4 and gti.
    but we have major horses and 4 wheel drive

    the drc seemed confused.gearboz was average in manual drive( tip)

    it should not be this slow though.
    how good is the bilsteins for this car ?

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    RS6: Not for most tracks

    I bought mine new in 2003 but decided not to track it for several years after reading numerous owner reports that it was not much fun. The C5 RS6 is not only heavy but very front-heavy compared to the more balanced Beemer. I think the figures are something like 62% front / 38% rear for weight on the Audi, 50-50 (or close) for the BMW. Even though I almost flunked high school physics, I retained enough to know that the RS6's (im)balance will result in strong understeer on a track with tight turns. In addition owners said tires and brakes get toasted, at least in front.

    For years I sought in vain for a track event with wider turns that would accommodate the RS6, and finally found it last December. That's when four American owners were among 150 cars driven at the first ever Audi driving school held at Daytona International Speedway in Florida. The longer turns and steep banking (31 degrees) on Daytona's tri-oval made all the difference. "Cruising" at 130-140 mph with little worry about turns (because they're so heavily banked) was thrilling, to say the least. Everyone except me had prior track experience in their RS6, and all three agreed Daytona was the best track they had experienced for the RS6. Registration just opened for the 2008 event, which this time is limited to 100 drivers and will be held December 12-14 at Daytona.

    Still, there are caveats. For our school the Daytona track was set up with a small unbanked "road course" (tighter turns) in the infield. On that, the RS6 did not do so well, its front-heavy proportions causing the car to slide some once the track heated up. Also, based on prior owner posts, I beefed up my brakes by adding Pagid blue bads, stainless steel brake lines, brake fluid with higher temperature tolerance, and brake ducts from the VW Phaeton. I experienced no fade, no soft pedal, and brakes always worked well, even when hitting the pedal hard from triple digit speeds (although I didn't do that often). One owner who arrived with brakes that were purely stock missed two 25 minute track sessions while waiting for replacement pads.

    Here's the link to writeups about last year's event:
    http://rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?...hlight=daytona

    Below is a link to registration for December of this year. Cost is $999 -- not cheap, but it's three days, and brake mods that worked for me are less costly than a new setup from MovIt or elsewhere. Weather permitting (and it was fine last year), thrills are all but guaranteed:

    Application forms can be downloaded from the Ohio Valley Chapter web site at http://ohio.audiclubna.org
    (click on "events" tab and then click on the "events calendar for 2008" link and then scroll down to Daytona).
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    you are 100% right , the car reacted as you said but the understeer was like a front wheel drive with attitude. the brakes would only give me 3-4 lapps before cooking the fluid.
    is there any way of splitting the power ratio in favour of the rear , this would eliminate quite a bit of understeer and then with a stiff front step up it should balance the car a bit.
    is there anyone out there that has raced this car ?

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    Amazing it's such a crappy track car. I wonder how Randy Pobst was able to win the ALMS Championship driving one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLITZEN View Post
    Amazing it's such a crappy track car. I wonder how Randy Pobst was able to win the ALMS Championship driving one?
    Could not help myself. Laughed off my chair.

    That was a stock RS6 that Randy was driving? I understand your point, but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLITZEN View Post
    Amazing it's such a crappy track car. I wonder how Randy Pobst was able to win the ALMS Championship driving one?
    Randy was among the instructors at Daytona last December. At the Saturday night dinner he raved so much about this car, especially its torque, that I loaned him my hat with the RS6 logo until he concluded his remarks!

    At a Florida rally several years ago, a tech who worked on the racing RS6 for Champion talked to about 30 of us. I remember him saying how much lighter the race car was -- started out around 3200 lbs, I think, then had to add weight after some victories & ended up at 3600+. But that's still well under the 4200 that our beasts weigh, and the difference is even more pronounced when you consider that the ALMS car had about 625 hp.

    So how did he win? Four things come to mind: Torque, torque, torque, and great skill.
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    I have tracked my RS6 about 10 times now, including first trackday of the season today. As those above have pointed out, there are two main enemies: an engine in front of the front wheels, and excessive mass. As for suspension and brake issues, these have been covered here in a multitude of posts (search....)

    Please, what do you want? Immunity from the laws of physics? It's an autobahn cruiser, so just accept that you won't be setting any cornering records, but you sure can enjoy that slug of torque out of every apex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinEcho View Post
    Please, what do you want? Immunity from the laws of physics? It's an autobahn cruiser, so just accept that you won't be setting any cornering records, but you sure can enjoy that slug of torque out of every apex.

    Exactly! Trying to make the C5 RS 6 perform well on tight turns is like trying to pound a round peg into a square hole.

    Still, with steeply banked turns that go on for 3000 feet, Daytona is a different story.
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    I believe it also depends on the track. Go to the Ring and you will see...

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    I have tracked my plus a couple of times now, one of the at the Ring. I disagree and agree.

    I agree with Frederic, RS6 is totally suited to the Nordschleife.

    I disagree with first post though. On modern tracks you do get some understeer if you go over the limit. Even then it is more balanced than for example RS4 B5. If it feels like a boat, you are overdriving into the corners. Go in a bit slower, or use trail braking + enjoy the crushing torque out of corners.

    If you expect RS6 to be a track car, your expectations are wrong. But it is not a boat, and it is very quick on track as well. But the character and fun of driving on track would be better with M3's, 911's or even track prepped GTi's. Unless it is wet. Or Ring. Or wet Ring

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    Guys , Dont Get Me Wrong , The Rs6 Is My Baby And I Love It. Sure Its Big But I Was V Suprised On The Outcome. The Car Feels Like A Dream When You Are Cruising Round The Corners Like On A Sunday Drive But Was 5 Seconds Slower . I'm Not There To Look Preety - I'm There To Race A Take The Car To The Limit . Sure There Are Better Driver Then Me And Would Probably Go A Bit Faster , But Rate Myself Ok On A Track Since I Have About 25 Years Of Racing Experience.mainly Karting.
    I Just Know That This Can Be Set Up Etter And That What I Need To Do With You Guys Helping Me.
    If I Have To Lighten The Car It Will Be Done , Suspension And Power Must Be Improved .
    Is There Any Electronic System That Can Be Introduced To Play With The Front And Back Power Distribution??
    Can I Get Hold Of The Guys That Have Actually Raced This Car ?

    In South Africa Everyone Is Scared To Toach /play With This Car As They Are Not Familair With It.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAXRS6 View Post
    I bought mine new in 2003 but decided not to track it for several years after reading numerous owner reports that it was not much fun. The C5 RS6 is not only heavy but very front-heavy compared to the more balanced Beemer. I think the figures are something like 62% front / 38% rear for weight on the Audi, 50-50 (or close) for the BMW. Even though I almost flunked high school physics, I retained enough to know that the RS6's (im)balance will result in strong understeer on a track with tight turns. In addition owners said tires and brakes get toasted, at least in front.

    For years I sought in vain for a track event with wider turns that would accommodate the RS6, and finally found it last December. That's when four American owners were among 150 cars driven at the first ever Audi driving school held at Daytona International Speedway in Florida. The longer turns and steep banking (31 degrees) on Daytona's tri-oval made all the difference. "Cruising" at 130-140 mph with little worry about turns (because they're so heavily banked) was thrilling, to say the least. Everyone except me had prior track experience in their RS6, and all three agreed Daytona was the best track they had experienced for the RS6. Registration just opened for the 2008 event, which this time is limited to 100 drivers and will be held December 12-14 at Daytona.

    Still, there are caveats. For our school the Daytona track was set up with a small unbanked "road course" (tighter turns) in the infield. On that, the RS6 did not do so well, its front-heavy proportions causing the car to slide some once the track heated up. Also, based on prior owner posts, I beefed up my brakes by adding Pagid blue bads, stainless steel brake lines, brake fluid with higher temperature tolerance, and brake ducts from the VW Phaeton. I experienced no fade, no soft pedal, and brakes always worked well, even when hitting the pedal hard from triple digit speeds (although I didn't do that often). One owner who arrived with brakes that were purely stock missed two 25 minute track sessions while waiting for replacement pads.

    Here's the link to writeups about last year's event:
    http://rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?...hlight=daytona

    Below is a link to registration for December of this year. Cost is $999 -- not cheap, but it's three days, and brake mods that worked for me are less costly than a new setup from MovIt or elsewhere. Weather permitting (and it was fine last year), thrills are all but guaranteed:

    Application forms can be downloaded from the Ohio Valley Chapter web site at http://ohio.audiclubna.org
    (click on "events" tab and then click on the "events calendar for 2008" link and then scroll down to Daytona).
    Tires? PS2? Slicks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbi View Post
    I'm Not There To Look Preety - I'm There To Race A Take The Car To The Limit . Sure There Are Better Driver Then Me And Would Probably Go A Bit Faster , But Rate Myself Ok On A Track Since I Have About 25 Years Of Racing Experience.mainly Karting.
    I Just Know That This Can Be Set Up Etter And That What I Need To Do With You Guys Helping Me.
    If I Have To Lighten The Car It Will Be Done , Suspension And Power Must Be Improved .
    Is There Any Electronic System That Can Be Introduced To Play With The Front And Back Power Distribution??
    Can I Get Hold Of The Guys That Have Actually Raced This Car ?
    If you have 25 years experience racing (especially karting) why on earth do you want to track the RS6? I would have thought that you are well past the point where you would want a dedicated track car or at least a road car that will do a creditable impression of a serious track car, such as an Exige. And if you really want to "race" as you say (something banned at the trackdays I attend), then I really am puzzled as to your selection......
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    Quote Originally Posted by ben916 View Post
    Tires? PS2? Slicks?

    PS2s. On my third set.
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    Garbi, I wonder if you know what you've gotten yourself into. The RS 6 is a front-heavy limited production sedan crowded with wires and programs, horsepower and AWD. Aftermarket choices are limited. Just putting in a 6 spd manual tranny was too pricey for the market, costing an estimated $30K because of all the programming that needs to be changed. Changing the distribution of power from front to rear may be prohibitively expensive too. But there are some aftermarket products in brakes, suspension, "chips" and exhaust.

    As far as I know the only RS6s "raced" came from Champion in Florida, driven by Randy Pobst and Michael Gallardi (sp?). I don't know how to reach them, but Randy was an instructor last year at Daytona. One of the race cars -- far lighter and with more power and a manual tranny, compared to ours -- was for sale by Champion a year or two ago. It may be gone now, but if not, maybe it'll be the car you want. Not street legal, though, and never will be since there's no VIN, I was told. But it is definitely an RS 6 race car, and it was for sale.
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    I'm with JAX (and the other Audi driver was Michael Galati).

    My advice is to not waste your energy and money trying to improve on such an expensive, exclusive car for track racing. After all, do you want to be a driver or a poor crew chief?

    If you want to be a driver, then learn to drive this car faster than anyone's driven a street legal RS6 before - with its weight and understeer. I think it's important for any serious race car driver to learn how to push the limit with any type of car. For instance, could you race a front wheel drive with as much competence as rear wheel drive? I'm confident that Randy Pobst or Michael Schumacher could make a Ford Escort fast.

    In conclusion, the RS6 is not a track car for any self-financed aspiring racer, no matter how deep their pockets are. If racing is what you want to pursue, get into class racing. At my local track, Miller Motorsports Park, they class race Mustang GT's and Mazda Miyatas. If your talents are good enough to dominate in class racing, sponsors will find you and you will go from there. Good Luck!
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