Autozeitung comparison : S5 vs. 335i

[3x5PSI]

Your father must blueprint all RS4s because everyone I’ve met is faster than every M3 I’ve met.

Hey dude, I was just yanking Leadie's chain man It was a joke.

[Z07]

You just made a fool of yourself. Go & check again. You saying a 2.4l normally aspirated engine makes 500NM?

I will give you a chance to go find the answer & then come back & apologise.

I will give you a chance to go find the answer & then come back & apologise.[/QUOTE]
You’re both wrong, it’s probably about 220lbft peak or 300Nm. 220Nm would equate to less than 650bhp even at 21,000rpm. F1 cars don’t rev quite that high yet and make around 750-800bhp. Maximum rpm is around 19,000rpm.

[Z07]

Dude, I'm gonna put you out of your misery as you are obviously out of your depth. Everyone knows that F1 cars make power because they reto almost 20 000rpm, but they make very little torque.

SO here's a Wiki link for you, I know you must be googling like crazy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_engines

the 2006 2.4 litre Toyota RVX-06 V8 engine produces 552 kW (740 bhp, 751 PS) at 19,000 RPM and outputs 274 Nm of torque

Your wiki link is also talking BS because 274Nm, even at 19,000rpm, only equates to 731bhp and since the torque will be falling by peak power, it’s well out.

[Z07]

Check this place (they do pretty consistent tests)
RS4
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2604b.shtml
335i
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2624b.shtml
M3
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2101.shtml

But then again, here is the R&T test of the RS4

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...s/5af1ba3f.jpg

0-100 in 10.7

Motor Trend: 0-100 in 11.4 (1/4 mile time is obviously wrong)
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html

The C/D test was done at altitude, sure they correct for it, but it is't perfect correction.

That’s so typical of Motor Trend (reference my comment a few pages ago), it’s either they use telekinetic energy or they lie through their bottoms.

[Leadfoot]

I will give you a chance to go find the answer & then come back & apologise.

You’re both wrong, it’s probably about 220lbft peak or 300Nm. 220Nm would equate to less than 650bhp even at 21,000rpm. F1 cars don’t rev quite that high yet and make around 750-800bhp. Maximum rpm is around 19,000rpm.[/quote]

I think it was me who got confused, after re-checking the figure I should have quoted was 354Nm and this was for the pre-race engine (setting lap times) for the BMW F1 engine. I didn't check it before posting and thought it was in ft/lbs, the 500Nm was my doing the rough maths in my head.

[Leadfoot]

Motortrend test of M3 CS model.

2005 BMW M3 Competition PackageBase price incl dest$48,995Price as tested$54,690Vehicle layout Front engine, RWD, 5-pass coupeEngine 3.2L/333-hp/262 lb-ft DOHC 24 valve I-6Transmission(s)6-speed manual (6-speed auto-clutch manual)Curb weight3383 lbWheelbase107.5 inLength x Width x Height176.9 x 70.1 x 54.0 in 0-60 mph4.8 sec1/4 mile13.3 sec @ 104.4 mph Braking, 60-0 mph116 ft600-foot slalom66.6 mph avgLateral acceleration0.91 g avgMT Figure-eight25.7 sec @ 0.72 g (avg)EPA city/hwy fuel econ 16 / 24 mpgWhat's HotSurgical steering, brilliant brakes, improved rideWhat's NotCSL engine not available, Long throw stick shift

Motortrend got the Audi S5 to achieve a 1/4mile time of 13.1 @ 105.2mph.

That would place the S5 approx. 2 car lengths ahead of the M3 at the end, pretty impressive for what is a luxury cruiser.

[artur777]

Leadfoot, but it's previous M3!
Let us see what the new M3 is capable for.
Until RS5 comes (not a near future), S5 would be compared to M3 e92.
And the same with RS4 - a new A4 generation is coming and RS4 would likely appear not earlier than in 2009.

[Leadfoot]

Leadfoot, but it's previous M3!
Let us see what the new M3 is capable for.
Until RS5 comes (not a near future), S5 would be compared to M3 e92.
And the same with RS4 - a new A4 generation is coming and RS4 would likely appear not earlier than in 2009.

To compare the S5 to something which is over £10K more and kicking out an extra 65hp wouldn't be a very fair comparison but no doubt many magazines will compare them regardless just as the M3 was compared to the RS4. The S5's true rival is the 335i and similar, but at the present the M3 will be compared to the RS4 and soon to hit the streets C63, the S5 will only be use when the RS4 finally ceases it's stock supply.

The point I was making for the S5 was the comparison between the Z4M and the Cayman, the Porsche crossed the line over 1 car length ahead yet the difference in their times was only 0.1s, the M3 tested only achieved a 1/4mile time of 13.3s, that's 0.2s slower explaining that the S5 will be 2 lengths ahead of what was and still is a very popular sports coupe and one which some here believe capable of taking scalps from such cars as the RS4 and others.

[Arslanoff]

Was that video link here?
Audi S5 und BMW 335i

[Leadfoot]

Yeap, that's it.