R8 competition heats up.

[tazsura]

Leadie,

'Now, coming back to TOPIC!' - This wasn't intended for you...it was for me! Your reply to my post was too quick (!)and i didn't get my 2nd post in before yours. Sorry for any confusion buddy!

And I know where your coming from too, hence my response to previous commets about the Gallardo, M5 et al. Some things just need to be said!

Bang on with the REAL R8 rivals. They offer the complete package while offering subtle differences to one another. The F430 and Gallardo are obviously the more overtly sporting of the group, while the Vantage and 997 offer greater versatility. I can't wait to see how the R8 compares. I really do feel that this car is going to be much quicker than figures are suggesting. I know i keep going on about it..but the engine from the RS4 is just an absolute peach...and it is engine is perfect for the R8. Much the way the Roush designed V12 is the defining piece in the Mclaren F1, IMO the V8 in the R8 will be to.

P.S...that 276BHP rule is a joke and should be scrapped...no way are the NSX et al producing ONLY 276BHP.

Taz

[Damienr8]

Hey what are your thoughts on Lexus entering into the fray? I am hoping lexus puts some ambition into the LF-A to set it apart from its competitors. There are so many new cars coming out in the next 2 years that fall into the "sports coupe", "sports sedan", etc. categories. I can't wait to see magazine comparisons!

[tazsura]

I don't hold high hopes for the LF-A. It 'looks' good (first time i've said that about a lexus...) but i would be really suprised if Lexus nail the sports car seen. Don't know of all the offerings in the US, but the SC430 was the closest thing to a sports car from Lexus here in the UK. It was crap. Wasn't a cruiser...wasn't a sports car. Most people talked about it's Stereo, and that was it!

Steering feel, vocal attributes, real-feel....all traits that have not been seen in ANY lexus before.

On paper it looks good, I just doubt if they can relay this to the road. IMHO

Taz

[sticky]

Leadie,

'Now, coming back to TOPIC!' - This wasn't intended for you...it was for me! Your reply to my post was too quick (!)and i didn't get my 2nd post in before yours. Sorry for any confusion buddy!

And I know where your coming from too, hence my response to previous commets about the Gallardo, M5 et al. Some things just need to be said!

Bang on with the REAL R8 rivals. They offer the complete package while offering subtle differences to one another. The F430 and Gallardo are obviously the more overtly sporting of the group, while the Vantage and 997 offer greater versatility. I can't wait to see how the R8 compares. I really do feel that this car is going to be much quicker than figures are suggesting. I know i keep going on about it..but the engine from the RS4 is just an absolute peach...and it is engine is perfect for the R8. Much the way the Roush designed V12 is the defining piece in the Mclaren F1, IMO the V8 in the R8 will be to.

P.S...that 276BHP rule is a joke and should be scrapped...no way are the NSX et al producing ONLY 276BHP.

Taz

The 276 agreement was scrapped, they no longer adhere to it.

Roush designed V12 for the Mclaren??? BMW ended up being the choice for the motor manufacturer for th McLaren F1 when Gordon Murray couldn't get Honda.

[Leadfoot]

The 276 agreement was scrapped, they no longer adhere to it.

Roush designed V12 for the Mclaren??? BMW ended up being the choice for the motor manufacturer for th McLaren F1 when Gordon Murray couldn't get Honda.

Roush are one of the top engine consultants so tazsura may be right, BMW might have enlisted the help of Roush to develop the engine like they do for lots of companies including F1 teams.

[tazsura]

Yes, and it was BMW's Paul Rosche who was in charge of the engine to be precise.

Taz:blush:

[sticky]

Yes, and it was BMW's Paul Rosche who was in charge of the engine to be precise.

Taz:blush:

This is correct, there is a big difference between Roush and Rosche.

Roush did not have anything to do with the BMW motor.

[Leadfoot]

This is correct, there is a big difference between Roush and Rosche.

Roush did not have anything to do with the BMW motor.

sticky,

How sure are you that you're right?

BMW, Porsche, Ferrari all of them use outside help when designing things, they all use gearboxes made by outside sources, the electrics are sourced, the suspension systems are sourced, why does it sound so outrageous for BMW to use an outside source to help develop an engine, Audi used Cosworth with the RS4 Mk1 engine prior to acquiring them.

I know you think very highly of BMW engineering and I agree it's up there with the best, but why are you so sure that Tazsura isn't correct.

Surely there is someone on the forum that can shed a little light on this debate.

[sticky]

sticky,

How sure are you that you're right?

BMW, Porsche, Ferrari all of them use outside help when designing things, they all use gearboxes made by outside sources, the electrics are sourced, the suspension systems are sourced, why does it sound so outrageous for BMW to use an outside source to help develop an engine, Audi used Cosworth with the RS4 Mk1 engine prior to acquiring them.

I know you think very highly of BMW engineering and I agree it's up there with the best, but why are you so sure that Tazsura isn't correct.

Surely there is someone on the forum that can shed a little light on this debate.

Rosche designed the E30 M3 motor and headed the engine development of the motorsport division. When Murray came to BMW asking for help with designing a motor for the McLaren F1, they set to work. The motor was a fully internal BMW design which was set to meet a certain weight and torque goal, which it exceeded. I have never heard of any external collaboration on the design of the motor. Roush does all kinds of work all over the world with many companies, but I have never heard their name in connection with BMW and the McLaren F1.