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    Leadfoot, I agree. I think that you, Ben, etc. really give us good info. I think adding your own opinion is fine, but making broad generalizations is a little out there. The new M3 is going to be light, BMW is using the CF roof, hood supposedly. They may release it as the CSL, but that will help them against the RS4. Imagine 400hp, and 3500-3700lbs. The RS4 is well over 4000, and that is a huge blow in the handling. Also BMW traditionally builds RWD cars, and they seem to have a lock on the handling department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noushy View Post
    The RS4 is well over 4000, and that is a huge blow in the handling. Also BMW traditionally builds RWD cars, and they seem to have a lock on the handling department.

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    Not really. Saloon is at 3637 lbs (1650kg), Avant at 3769 lbs (1710kg) and convertible at 4067 (1845kg).

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    Humm, not trying to be a stickler, but sources say much more weight. Audi RS4 sedan, 3957lbs, much closer to my 4000.

    http://autos.yahoo.com/audi_rs4_sedan-specs/?p=ext

    I am sure Leadfoot can offer some clear information, either way RS4 is heavy for a 4 door sports sedan, ideally if it could lose 200-400lbs, would be a killer machine. I love it anyways, just wish they would be a little lighter.

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    Hmm then Audi must have put in some additional kg's for the US market.
    Euro specs say something else:
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_RS4

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    Euro Spec RS4 in standard form are meant to be 1650Kgs, it is unsure if this figure includes driver, half a tank of fuel and some luggage. If memory serves me right Autocar figured one to 1720Kgs but this one did have some extras, best guess is to pick something in between this say 1685Kgs. US spec car come standard with electric seats which will add at least 20Kgs to start with, also do they run a beefed up air-con system, if so there maybe a few extra Kgs there too.

    Don't call me a dick, but US and Imperial Gallons are different, is it possible with weight as well.

    Either way the new M3 will have to be something special to beat the RS4 especially on the road where it really counts.
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    Rather than than a turbocharger would it be possible for them to use a supercharger?


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    The RS4 is heavy and around 4,000 pounds but its handling has been praised on many occasions, of course if it was lighter it would have been even better.

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    Luxury weighs, that's the problem. If you're looking for a light powerful car you should buy a Lotus Exige for example. The RS4 is a whole different matter. The Exige nails it really hard, but don't expect any luxury. Which is why the RS4 rocks, you have the full package: speed + luxury.
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    Listen, I love the RS cars, so let this set the record straight. I just wish that Audi could find a way to incorporate all of their goodness with a little less poundage... The RS4 handles amazingly well, many reviewers wrote that the car almost defies physics in the location of the engine and its weight. Now the M3 will be a strong contender in the performance and handling department. Certainly trickier to drive in the rain and poor road conditions, and requiring more skill to drive fast. It is just that 4000lbs or 3900lbs takes the edge of an otherwise amazing 4.2 liter V8. Imagine an RS4 ultralight at say 200-300 lbs less. The other thing is that Audi needs to figure out a way to set the engine further back, maybe moving the transmission, to bring the polar moment of the car more towards the middle, instead of hanging all of its weight in front of the front axle. But for day to day driving, I loved my Audis, and cannot wait for a new one.

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    noushy,

    All you are saying would make an amazing track day car, but on the open road the added security that mild understeer gives is more important than full on oversteer. I know the latter is the more entertaining but the former is believe it or not the quick on the road.

    Lets hope the new A5 will reduce this to the bare minium while keeping the extra safety that Audis have always had.
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    As long as Audi uses quattro in its high end cars, they will be heavy..at least until they perfect the carbon fiber or titanium gearboxes and differentials etc where the weight is now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperstarDriver View Post
    The debut of RS6 will be at the Geneva Motorshow in Germany in march and in europe it will be in stores on april or end of may!i'm very very sure of that, cause i just called my friend from audi ad told me that Geneva is the show where the new R6 will kick the ne M5 in his ugly supraviration ass))
    Geneva ist in SWITZERLAND and not in germany!

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    I am not trying to tell Audi to build a track car, rather to drop some weight, and move the weight distribution towards the middle of the car. By losing weight, the performance increases, the fuel economy increases, and everybody wins. If the S6 was say 200-300lbs lighter, it would be extremely competitive against more powerful cars like the E63 and the M5. Especially with the advantage of quattro, and the ability to use all of its power.

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    noushy,

    You know as well as I do that to drop 300lbs (145Kgs) in weight requires specialised materials like carbon. The whole body made from alloy would do it but that would require new manufacturing processes and that isn't going to happen with the current model or even the next. They could lose some of the luxuries but that would place it at a disadvantage with the competition. Next way it could be achieved is to fit carbon fibre bonnet, wings and front nose plus roof like what BMW did with the M6 but that put the price of it up 20K over the M5, so that out as well.

    So reducing the weight of the car by 300lbs is out, the only option is to increase the power to achieve the results and make the engines more efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadfoot View Post
    noushy,

    The whole body made from alloy would do it but that would require new manufacturing processes and that isn't going to happen with the current model or even the next....
    Well, if they could do it with the new TT and keep the price relatively the same as the MkI, they should be able to do it with the next gen A6. That way,the next S6/RS 6 will have a much better starting point.

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    Agreed Ben, Leadfoot they might not be able to drop that much, but certainly can drop say 100lbs to 150lbs. Even Chevy did it with the Z06 vette, and gave it 100more hp for 20k. The RS6 is easily going to cost 20k more than the S6, so I expect it to have more power. Now they could do some more aluminum/CF parts, and eventually Audi is going to have to increase the aluminum content in the frame. The new TT is something like 65% aluminum components in the frame, that is how they did it. The A8 is 100% so make the A6/S6/RS6 65% or more.

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    i believe in audi more than any other car makers like MB and & BMW because they never ever will have the complexity, technology, inovation, pureness and control like and Audi Quattro...i like speeds IN CONTROL...i like to feel the curves at 160m/h and feel the road like a am one with him...bmw never could make u feel in control with RWD...even with their xDrive likewise (cause they have 100/0 diferrential before the tires are enter in the derapations)....take another example...why the RS4 don't balance in the extreme corners?because of the special Quattro and DRC, why Clarkson said that about the S4 (the control is absolutely SUBLIME, no tricky steering, no incontrol, nothing, pure speed)...bmw's M power sucks vs Quattro Sportsteam...BMW sells are lower then the Audi in the world...and THE M5 it NEVER COULD BEAT THE RS4 on a racetrack...look at the Nurbugring times of both cars...RS4 faster by 2sec and a half then the M5(who has 87HP more)...!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noushy View Post
    Even Chevy did it with the Z06 vette, and gave it 100more hp for 20k. The RS6 is easily going to cost 20k more ...

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    You know, I didn't even think of that example! Even "lowly" Chevy could drop 100 some lbs out of an already light car and gave it more power, refinement, etc. for $20K! If Audi can't, then they are hardly "Vorsprung durch Technic" and are indeed, "Resting on their Laurels". Come on Audi, lead!



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