My little finger told me the V12 TDI is currently

[Mr Balsen]

running in an Audi S8 as well as an Audi Q7.

Actually, it is possible that the S8 will have two possible engines: V10 normal gazoline or V12 TDI.

Cheers from Paris,
Frederic

[Bomber]

WOW!! that's serious sh1t! :0:

[Mr Balsen]

Originally posted by Bomber
WOW!! that's serious sh1t! :0:

Yes it is ! ! !

Cheers from Paris,
Frederic

[Leadfoot]

What size is the V12Tdi?

And is this the engine that has been talked about for the R8?

[gjg]

what would be realistic availability time in Q or S - 2008? :vhmmm:

[tailpipe]

My bet is that the RS6 will also offer the same choice of two engines.

[Leadfoot]

Originally posted by tailpipe
My bet is that the RS6 will also offer the same choice of two engines.

Only if they can lighten the diesel engine down to the weight of the petrol. Because even in the current A6 model, the engine is forward to much and the extra weight would kill the handling unless it weight was kept in check.

I think I'm right in saying that the R10's engine is alloy, if so this technology might be used for the RS6 diesel, if it came about. Man that would be some motor, beating an M5 and coating the front of it in diesel smoke. :harass:

[KresoF1]

Leadfoot, there will be no Diesel engine for R8! I saw dealer's introduction order documents, only two engines.
4.2L V8 DI 420hp
5.2L V10 DI 520hp(from MY2008)

And maybe bi-turbo version of V10 later...

I put the deposit for R8 yesterday(V8) and I will have even more info next week. I already saw final exterior and interior pics and car is simply awsome, IMO.

BTW, two gearboxes-manual and sequential, NOT DSG!

[Leadfoot]

Originally posted by KresoF1
Leadfoot, there will be no Diesel engine for R8! I saw dealer's introduction order documents, only two engines.
4.2L V8 DI 420hp
5.2L V10 DI 520hp(from MY2008)

And maybe bi-turbo version of V10 later...

I put the deposit for R8 yesterday(V8) and I will have even more info next week. I already saw final exterior and interior pics and car is simply awsome, IMO.

BTW, two gearboxes-manual and sequential, NOT DSG!

It would be a shame not to have a diesel especially after the victory in the Le Mans. But no DSG sounds funny when you consider that it will be in nearly all the future Audi models from the new A4/5 onwards, not withstanding the current A6, A8 & Q7.

Remember this but, a lot changes in the motorcar industry and though it not in the R8 which are ordered now, doesn't mean it won't be in it in a few months time.

I was told when I ordered my S4 (B6) that the new nose wasn't going on the S4 until Aug '06, that was in Aug '05. I got the car in Sept '05 and by Nov '05 we all knew it would be out by Jan.

Just because your dealer tell you it won't be there, tells me his protecting his sale or he have no info on it. All manufacturers keep things like this close to their chests.

[Payne]

Wow!

Is this a brand new engine or is it the one from R10?:rolleyes:



Andrew

[Benman]

Originally posted by Mr Balsen
running in an Audi S8 as well as an Audi Q7.

Actually, it is possible that the S8 will have two possible engines: V10 normal gazoline or V12 TDI.

Cheers from Paris,
Frederic

That is awesome news Frederic! A Q7 with the V12 TDI!!! Man, I could tow a home with that thing!:bow:

Ben:addict:

[KresoF1]

Leadfoot, I order my R8 based on official Audi R8 Dealer's guide for launch cars. There is clear statement there that new R8 will NOT be offered with DSG but, with manual and sequential gearbox. Seguential is refined version of Lambo's e.gear so, like it or not...
There is also a good explanation why no DSG. According to this(official in German language) document DSG although awsome gearbox is more automatic in feeling and will not suit to true Sportscar as R8 clearly is!
BTW, since R8 is based on Gallardo platform it makes a lot sense to me...

[tailpipe]

There are conflicting reports coming out about the R8 spec. For instance, no DSG accroding to some. This is disappointing. i know that in an effort to boost profits, Audi is trying to share as many components as possible with other models. I imagine therefore, that the R8 will use a significant amount of components from Lamborghini.

At some point, the R8 will be little more than a rebodied Gallardo. I hope not. But it really needs to kick-butt versus the Lexus LF-A supercar destined for launch around the same time.

[clam]

The DSG is praised for its non-automatic controle. While the E-gear type systems are generally disliked by enthusiasts. Even the newest Ferrari ones (the company that makes the Ferrari F1 system also makes the Lamborghini E-gear).
DSG is vastly superior to E-gear. But it simply isn't ready yet.

I don't think people appreciate what goes into the production process. They can't just copy-paste the DSG from the Veyron or Golf into the R8. It has to be designed, to fit not only the R8 but future longitudinal models. It's has to be build, which means machines have to be build and people have to be trained. It has to be inserted into the production process. Which means the production line has to be modified, and people have to be trained. The logistics also have to be put in place. The DSG consists of different parts that will be handled by different companies/divisions. It wouldn't surprize me if 100 companies/divisions are involved in the final product. From when its still metal flakes, to when it's installed at the assembly line.

Of the 3-5 years it takes to design a car, I estimate 90% of the effort is spend on developing the production process. Audi had their R8 working a few years ago, and since then all they've been doing is setting up a production process. Even if the longitudinal DSG is available, they can't just order a bunch of them, and expect the quattro factory to know what to do with them.

Looks how much time Porsche is taking to intergrate this technology. DSG is a colabortaion with Porsche, but they are still sticking with their automatic for now.

[clam]

We'll only see the DSG on longitudinal models when enough Audi models have adopted the B8 platform. It's doesn't make sense to set up production for one model.
It would be running at less that 10% capacity, waiting for all the other Audi models to catch up. Big losses as a result.

[Leadfoot]

Clam,

You have explained basically what I was trying to say. The next A4/5 will get DSG, but if it will be there from the start who knows. The interesting thing from KresoF1 statement was that it will be using the E-gear, will this mean it will get the Lambo's 4wd system instead of quattro, where will the product sharing end.

I understand that using the platform would slow the introduction of DSG in to the mix, but to not induce it in the future will be a big mistake. Audi developed this gearbox and to say it's not good enough for a true sportscar, hell it in the fastest even sportscar and though I will never get the chance to drive it, never in any report was the statement the DSG wasn't sporty enough. It's only a software change that will stop the DSG from changing up at the redline.

I stick by what I said, just because the dealer say it will never get it, doesn't mean it won't. And that goes for a diesel version. It will all boil down to marketing and costs.

[gabbby]

Hi !

I think that the DSG should come when Audi start the V8 + DSG setup in production for the others models (S4, RS4 first, S5, RS5).

I feel that the R8 is not the flagship technologically, but a car to have the hability to say "Yes, we have a real sport car in our line up". The RS4 and RS5 will still the better proof of the habality to build dream cars.

The second thing is that the B8 platform is the real market core : B8 is the basis of a new standard of technology for Audi, and a real economy source. They don't spend more money to develop low production volum R8 model, while they are developping the futur mass market one.

For me, the R8 is a redesigned Lambo, injecting the Audi saoul and design in a never seen model.

I expect that audi will build more powerfull versions of this car : but as it was said, it is problem for the sale of lamboghini.... :doh:

[Erik]

Ingolstadt, today:

With the R10 TDI, Audi also demonstrates just how economical a powerful engine can be. The race winning car in Le Mans consumed a mere 40.34 litres per 100 kilometres – an extremely low figure for a racing engine producing more than 650 hp, especially as the percentage of full-throttle during a lap around Le Mans is 75 per cent. To compare: The Audi R8 with its equally economical TFSI engine used almost 5 litres more per 100 kilometres on its way to winning under similar conditions in 2002.

"With regard to consumption, environmental friendliness, the combustion process and other new technologies we expect an enormous step forward in the forthcoming years”, says Ulrich Baretzky, Head of Engine Technology at Audi Sport. "We expect to see things that we developed specifically with racing in mind appear later in production.”

[eazy]

Actually the dsg is a sequential gearbox.
I think it would fit very well with the R8, like an comfort-option.

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

no other news than a 6-speed manual Transmission combined with a V8 FSI for market introduction. 420HP are said, you can expect up to 450HP at the launch in September. Magnetic ride adaptive damping system will be on board. 7-speed DSG will follow as well as other engine set-up´s.

[Leadfoot]

Originally posted by Qisha
Dear Friends,

no other news than a 6-speed manual Transmission combined with a V8 FSI for market introduction. 420HP are said, you can expect up to 450HP at the launch in September. Magnetic ride adaptive damping system will be on board. 7-speed DSG will follow as well as other engine set-up´s.

Finally someone stating what most of us are thinking, DSG will follow.

[IulianUM]

I saw a video of a Gallardo with the E-gear and it was fantastic , a good solution until the DSG is ready . :0:

To stay on topic , if Audi continues implementing its racing "achievements" to their R , S and RS range my next Audi could be my first diesel car.:hahahehe:

[chewym]

I don't think that there will be a diesel on the R8, or any other high performance Audi in the future. Remember, that the R10 diesel weights about 580 pounds (Car and Driver) while being all aluminum, expensive expensive expensive engine. The 4.2 liter V8 already weights about the same amount. A V12 version would be extremely heavy. It will be alright for an A8 or a Q7, but not for the production R8. It might happen in the future, but definately not now.

[Z07]

Originally posted by Mr Balsen
running in an Audi S8 as well as an Audi Q7.

Actually, it is possible that the S8 will have two possible engines: V10 normal gazoline or V12 TDI.

Cheers from Paris,
Frederic
I can't wait to lay down 800lbft on someone whilst getting 20+mpg.:incar:

[borispmchan]

This is the first time that a performance car uses Diesel engine,right? Anyway, is it possible for an A3 to use diesel(TDI engine)?

[eazy]

Originally posted by borispmchan
This is the first time that a performance car uses Diesel engine,right? Anyway, is it possible for an A3 to use diesel(TDI engine)?
What do you want to know? If a V12 diesel fits to an A3? Could be tricky :applause:
But really fast ;)

[Z07]

Originally posted by borispmchan
This is the first time that a performance car uses Diesel engine,right? Anyway, is it possible for an A3 to use diesel(TDI engine)?
They come with 2.0TDi engines but a 5.5V12 could be tight.

[Lateknight]

Originally posted by Leadfoot
Finally someone stating what most of us are thinking, DSG will follow.

or S-tronic as Audi would like it to be known now.

Apparently only VWs have whats known as DSG now. Its the same damn thing, just re-branded. :vhmmm:

Just another .....tronic name to confuse the average Audi buyer:confused:

[QuattroFun]

http://www.carcounter.de/news.php?nid=625

Hmm, I no fan of diesels - but this admittedly sounds hot...

[Qisha]

The V12 6.0 TDI will be combined with the DL 751 Gearbox, no other Transmission is able to take the 1.000NM of Torque. It will be a 7-Speed Version and is supposed to debut in early 2008.

[Leadfoot]

Originally posted by Qisha
The V12 6.0 TDI will be combined with the DL 751 Gearbox, no other Transmission is able to take the 1.000NM of Torque. It will be a 7-Speed Version and is supposed to debut in early 2008.

I take it, this combo will be first seen in the next A8 and then possibly the Q7 and others to follow. It's surprising when you think of it, that Audi and VW are possibly the largest diesel manufacturer of passenger cars and have won the Le Mans with one, but presently BMW seem to be winning to performance diesel car battle.

This engine can't come soon enough.

[chewym]

Originally posted by Qisha
The V12 6.0 TDI will be combined with the DL 751 Gearbox, no other Transmission is able to take the 1.000NM of Torque. It will be a 7-Speed Version and is supposed to debut in early 2008.

What type of transmission is the DL 751? I am assuming it's an automatic, S-Tronic perhaps?

[AndyBG]

Originally posted by Qisha
The V12 6.0 TDI will be combined with the DL 751 Gearbox, no other Transmission is able to take the 1.000NM of Torque. It will be a 7-Speed Version and is supposed to debut in early 2008.

That is that!

World, hold on, A8 6.0 TDI quattro is coming... !

[Erik]

Originally posted by AndyBG
World, hold on, A8 6.0 TDI quattro is coming... !

But the Q7 will get it first ;)

[Eckoman]

Auto-Motor-Sport confirms:

http://www.auto-motor-sport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/audi_q7_mit_ueber_diesel.124811.d_ams_news_special _ha.htm

Q7 with 6.0 V12 TDI starting early 2008, 6-speed automatic gearbox, the engine already meets the Euro5 emission limits.

[Erik]

http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/0/9e77fe8735907f068c1a10a333c7edc0.jpg

Audi is proud to present a world first – the first twelve-cylinder diesel engine in a series passenger car. This six-litre V12 makes its debut in the Audi Q7. It produces a colossal 500 PS and 1,000 Nm of torque. With this engine Audi has opened a new chapter in diesel history.

The V12 TDI is reminiscent of the engine featured in the new R10 Le Mans racing car – it catapults the driving performance of the Audi Q7 into the echelons of top-class sports cars. The car sprints from 0 to 100 km/h in just 5.5 seconds, and has an electronically governed top speed of 250 km/h. Maximum torque is available from just 1,750 rpm. The high-tech diesel engine, with the world’s first 2,000 bar Bosch Common Rail system, provides the high-performance Audi SUV with superior power reserves in any situation. The impressive sound of the new Audi is provided by the ultra-modern piezo-injection system. The V12 TDI transmits this power through a new six-speed tiptronic gearbox to the quattro permanent four-wheel drive system.

Although the V12 TDI belongs to the Audi V-engine family, this model features a special cylinder angle of 60° – perfect for this engine type. Apart from the light and highly durable crankcase, a further highlight is the new chain drive assembly. This includes the two newly developed high-pressure pumps in the common rail injection system.

Up to 2,000 bar of pressure is kept within the twelve piezo injectors – a further technological breakthrough. Both performance and efficiency are optimised by this high injection pressure, and the running smoothness also remains excellent. Exhaust emissions are also low. The twin-turbo V12 TDI conforms to the Euro 5 emissions class which should come into force in 2010. Fuel consumption is only 11.9 litres per 100 kilometres. With the high-tech twelve-cylinder engine using TDI technology, the diesel pioneers at Audi have opened new horizons in motoring.


500PS, 1000Nm between 1,750 - 3000 rpm, 0-100km/h in 5.5s

See complete Audi press announcement at WCF (http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/country/gcf/newsID/2060911.001/audi/audi-q7-v12-tdi-revealed)

[Mr Balsen]

My little finger was correct 3 months ago ! ! ! !

Amazing, isn'it ?

Cheers,
Frederic

[JavierNuvolari]

Originally posted by Mr Balsen
My little finger was correct 3 months ago ! ! ! !

Amazing, isn'it ?

Cheers,
Frederic

:hihi: we should hear from him more often :thumb: .

Cheers,


Javier

[Benman]

Originally posted by JavierNuvolari
:hihi: we should hear from him more often :thumb: .

Cheers,


Javier

Amen!:applause:

Ben:addict: