New Lexus IS500

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Rumours about an M3-crunching Lexus IS500 are gaining momentum.

First, a disguised IS prototype with a much larger engine and accompanying brutal noise was seen lapping the Nurnburg Ring.

Second, at the Dealer Launch of the new IS last September in the South of France, European dealers were told that although the IS350 would not be sold in Europe, a more powerful high performance version of the new IS would be added to the range in 2007 for the 2008 model year.

Third, a coupe version of the new IS is scheduled for launch and a speculative shot was published. Shortly after this a proper spy shot of the car was taken.

Fourth, Lexus introduced its new flagship 5.0 litre V8 at the New York show in its flagship model, the LS600h.

What was also noteworthy about this engine is that it was mated to a new AWD system and an advanced CVT system. It is possible the the IS500 could come with AWD and be mated to the new 8-Speed automatic gearbox.

I am excited about this car. I think it will be a real alternative to the RS4 as well as the M3. Of course, Lexus doesn't have Audi's experience with Quattro AWD, but look how far it's come in 18 months. These are guys on a mission.

I guess we can expect a Detroit or Geneva 2007 launch.

First pic:

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Second pic:

(This is clearly a photoshop based on LF-A, but it is based on "eye witnesses" who have actually seen the car)

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Third pic:

(Spy shot of the real thing (apparently). I hope the IS500 will be available as a saloon/ sedan)

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Article in Japanese magazine...

(Again this seems to be a photoshop but car seems to ride lower. Who knows?)

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Another pic from same JP article...

The exhaust set-up is interesting...

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Reported spec from JP article and view of engine (cover)...

[Benman]

If it is actually all wheel drive... then my brother will soooo hit that!

Ben:addict:

[AndyBG]

Three questions:

First, what is power range of this car?

Second, what kind of transmision(s) is/are planed?

Third, ho is going to buy this ''super jap''?

:rs4addict

[JavierNuvolari]

Originally posted by AndyBG
Third, ho is going to buy this ''super jap''?

:rs4addict


Call me insane....but I would....................if I could not afford a Hi-performance german car( RS 4 - M3).


Saludos,


Javier

[AndyBG]

I tought that is inposible, but aparently, i was wrong.

Still, don't tell that this one is ''working'' for you good as any of German ''uber limousines''. (RS 4, M3, C55)

:rs4kiss:

[tailpipe]

If Lexus launches an IS500, it doesn't need to be better than an M3 or RS4 to succeed, just cheaper.

That said, I have been extremely surprised at how Lexus gets better and better with every new model. The new IS was a huge step forward in engineering quality and styling. And now the latest LS takes an even bigger step forward with the technology it offers. An 8-speed gearbox may be a bit of a gimmick, but a 4.6 litre V8 that provides 70% better emissions than its nearest competitor is a stunning achievement. With 0-100 kph achieved in 5.5 seconds and fuel economy of around 25-26 mpg, by any objective standard this is an impressive car.

I doubt that Lexus will equal the M3 or RS4 at its first attempt, but it should come very close. There are seven reasons why people will take it very seriously:
1. The new 5.0 litre V8 offers around 420 bhp and much better fuel economy than the RS4's 4.2 litre V8 FSI.*
2. The chassis of the new IS is lighter than that of the A4 even before it is put on a weight-loss diet to make the most of added performance
3. The weight balance of both AWD and RWD IS models is fundamentally better than that of the RS4, because the engine is positioned further back in a RWD chassis.
4. The electrical systems of the IS are a generation ahead of both BMW and Audi. Whatever you say about Japanese cars, you can't fault Japanese electronics. This gives most Japanese cars better reliability than average. Electronics has traditionally been Audi's achilles heel.
5. There's a good chance that the IS500 will be offered with AWD, which would pitch it head-to-head with the new RS4.
6. Lexus knows that the ride and handling of any super saloon have to be extremely well-sorted. So it may not be perfect, but it won't be a let down
7. I am sure that the price of the IS500 will stun its competitors. In the UK where a decently specced RS4 sells for £52,000, i expect the IS500 to sell for £42,000.

Lexus wants to be the leading luxury car brand and has deep enough pockets to really try and deliver on this promise. Its immediate target isn't BMW, but Audi. (Which is why Aud i is rushing to bring B8 to market.)

The real problem Lexus has is that right now is that it is an anonymous and soulless brand - rather like Audi was before Quattro. When the IS500 (not to mention the LF-A) hit the streets, perhaps this will begin to change.

This can only make Audi and BMW try harder, which has to bec good for us! And may the best man win!



*(I don't know enough about the spec of the next M3 to make any valid comments here.)

[Benman]

Originally posted by AndyBG
I tought that is impossible, but aparently, i was wrong.

Still, don't tell that this one is ''working'' for you good as any of German ''uber limousines''. (RS 4, M3, C55)

:rs4kiss:

Yep, after showing this to my brother he is sooooooo getting this car.

And as for getting this over a C55? In a heart beat. I'd also get it over the next M3. Nope, I'm not smoking crack people, I actually would. The German dealer's level of service is nothing compared to Lexus. Its what they do BEST.

The only German car company I'd choose over the Lexus brand is the one in my garage. :rs6kiss:

Ben:addict:

[J0X]

Wow, when in Rome..M air vents and S aluminium mirrors? Please. I think the vorsprung just became bigger, copycats.

[AndyBG]

Strong entrance of Lexus in this segment will sertranly make germans to get some pace up, but still ''Lexus'', if you asking me, just can't have my ''love'' (read money), over Audi (Mercedes, BMW)

I mean, come on, do you remeber days wehn those cars looked allmost 99% same as Merc's, even today they design cars by ''litle bit of this, litle bit of that'' system.

Resemblances with Germans (Audi. MB, BMW) are allover every one of their cars.

I am litle bit confused, i realy am, a didn't expect from you guys to fall in''love'' with Lexus that easy.

PLEASE, TELL I AM JUST MISS UNDERSTANDING YOU!

:cheers:

[JavierNuvolari]

Originally posted by AndyBG

PLEASE, TELL I AM JUST MISS UNDERSTANDING YOU!

:cheers:

No, you did not misunderstood us Andy :harass: hahaha... you know, I don't think that it's as bad as it sounds. After all, I would bet that everyone here does not consider a Hi-performance Lexus as an option to a Hi-performance german, I dare to say that most of all here would consider the Lexus as a second option, not to say third.

Regarding the desing issue, you're absolutely right, Lexus in the past do look a lot like a collage of other desings.


Saludos,


Javier

[tailpipe]

As much as we love Audi, not to mention Mercedes-Benz and the boys from Munich, no Japanese car has ever left me stranded in a foreign country. Or had an electrical glitch that caused me to stop dead in the middle of a crowded inter-section. Or had a problem that no authorised dealer was ever been able to remedy. Or a 343 bhp 6-cylinder in-line engine that blew-up after just 6 months. Or interior material that just fell off because they switched to using a cheaper glue.

Sure, this is a list of accumulated complaints compiled over many years of faithful Audi, BMW and MB ownership. And, of course, you expect things to go wrong in all cars. They are complex beasts. But you quite reasonably expect less things to go wrong in more expensive cars. Although this isn't always the case, sometimes even the best are afflicted with fundamental flaws.

None of this is to say that German premium marques are unreliable or getting worse. On the contrary, hitherto they have always been the most reliable cars.

But when a new brand comes along and in double quick time delivers a standard of build quality that leaves your jaw hanging open, in cars with engines that are as smooth as jet turbines, with handling dynamics that get better and better with every new model, in designs that exhibit a real integrity of engineering and with a visible passion for doing things better, well then you are forced to take notice.

For the last 10 years, Audi, BMW and Mercedes have all been copying each other. So when Lexus comes along and starts re-writing the rules by providing frsh and orginal solutions to age-old problems, this is a good thing. A very good thing.

No one buys any product just because it happens to be made by Germans, Brits or Japanese. You buy something because you respect the benefits it delivers. When you get used to something that is very good, like Audi, it earns your loyalty. But when something palpably better comes along, only a fool or a luddite ignores it.

For all these reasons, the German trio will need to up their game. Mercedes-Benz quality standards at last seem to be returning. Audi's forthcoming B8 platform looks as if it will dramatically re-invent the Ingolstadt brand. As for BMW, maybe one day they will wake up and realise that everyone hates how their cars look.

And while Germany gets its house in order, it is comforting to know that there's an alternative.

:asian: :incar: :bow: :applause: :0:

[Benman]

Originally posted by tailpipe

No one buys any product just because it happens to be made by Germans, Brits or Japanese. You buy something because you respect the benefits it delivers. When you get used to something that is very good, like Audi, it earns your loyalty. But when something palpably better comes along, only a fool or a luddite ignores it.

For all these reasons, the German trio will need to up their game.

:applause: :applause:

No Andy, no missunderstanding, I really would take that over a C55 or M3 (especially the C55:D ). I love Audi, but as Tailpipe says, only a fool would be loyal simply because of a nameplate. You love it for it being the better car. If the IS is better than the C55 than why wouldn't you go for the IS?:thumb:

Ben:addict:

[tailpipe]

I forgot to add that the pictures in the Japanese car mag story are mostly badly retouched pictures of mules. The real thing will look like the drawing in my post above. It won't copy BMW.

[Leadfoot]

Tailpipe,

If the IS500 ends up looking anything like your last post, I for one would buy it on looks alone. I have read reports on the new IS and only handling dynamics has any anything negative been said about it, this being that the normal IS is more for luxury and pampering than sportiness which UK magazine tester are really in to, every car has to drive like a race car.

If Lexus can produce a sporty drive with good dynamics it will be on to a winner. The IS350 in the states has been well received and any performance figures I have seen on this model has hammered all German rivals.

So I agree they are comes and we will all have to except that one day we might look forwards the "rising sun" and like what we see.
:asian: :incar: :bow:

[tailpipe]

Everyone assumes with the handling of the IS250 and IS350 that Lexus tried to copy BMW and failed. This isn't true.

The objective was to ensure that the car provided a comfortable ride for all passengers while offering drivers a much greater degree of involvement. The steering is not bad at all. Composure is terrific too, especially on UK roads - but even so the IS doesn't feel too hard. Neither was it designed to offer "balls to the wall" on-the-limit handling - because lexus didn't want a car that could be dangerous in inexpereinced hands. With the IS being so benign on the limit, it has been criticised for lacking involvement - rather like the S4 was. Like Audi, Lexus believes that security and predictablity that inspire confidence are more important than the ability to do lurid tail slides.

All this applies to the standard IS. The sports versions are much more focused. With the IS500, i think the ride will be quite a lot firmer and taughter. The steering will be sharper too. If it has AWD and 420 bhp+ then it is going to be a very capable machine that is much closer in concept to the RS4 than the M3.

But leadfoot you are SO right, this car scores almost on looks alone.

[AndyBG]

Looks like i am only conservative member here, what can i say, go for Lexus and enjoy it, i now that something like that is going to be allmost imposible to me, but we will see, time will tell.



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:cheers:

[chutia]

Lexus has kicked the Germans ass and is widely regarded as the Best Ultraluxury carmaker by the wealthiest in the US market

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=14&article_id=3175

as well as having the highest customer retention in the US market

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=14&article_id=3041

These are facts. Not conjecture or anectodal or BS subjective arguments. I have been fortunate to own the very top of the line of Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, Lexus (no BMWs). Also a Ferrari 355. I can tell you that without any question the best built, highest quality car is Lexus. Period. Porsche was excellent also, and a Ferrari is a Ferrari.

You can talk and dream all you want to about how good the German cars are, but take a look at who is winning in F1 and who has breakdowns and how long they have been in the "business" of ultra high performance racing cars. Surprise: breaking down: McLaren Mercedes (this is why Kimi Raikonen cannot win). Gaining scary ground (and scaring the pants off the Germans) Honda and Toyota. In the ALMS, who in their class has the winning engine? Lexus.

Merecedes reliability is poor; as is Audi's (alongwith a pretty arrogant and contemptous management). Don't know BMW.

So, please don't kid yourself into thinking that the Japanese or Lexus cannot match or beat the BEST Germans. The topline Germans didn't think an upstart called Lexus was anything to worry about......ya, right!!

[AndyBG]

Do you now that Toyota has F1 budget that is double bigger than Ferraris?

I don't see the results, do you?

BTW, do you now where is based Toyota F1 team?

Cologne, GERMANY.

Honda F1 is in England.

[Yak]

chutia, quality market in US is a bit different than Europe. We view the cars from different perspective, big doesn't mean quality, and pickups aren't popular here.

For me, Lexus looks and feels inside like a japanese car, a Toyota. There's not the same selection of materials like in German cars, which have hard inside materials. Soft grey plastic just doesn't scream "I paid a lot", no matter how big car it is.

And that's prolly the reason why Lexus isn't so popular in Europe, here size isn't what makes things great. And every car doesn't need V8.

And no, if I would spend such amount of money on a car (IS500 will prolly cost about $90,000 here anyway), I would never go for a Toyota. I'd want something special for that price.

[AndyBG]

Originally posted by Yak
chutia, quality market in US is a bit different than Europe. We view the cars from different perspective, big doesn't mean quality, and pickups aren't popular here.

For me, Lexus looks and feels inside like a japanese car, a Toyota. There's not the same selection of materials like in German cars, which have hard inside materials. Soft grey plastic just doesn't scream "I paid a lot", no matter how big car it is.

And that's prolly the reason why Lexus isn't so popular in Europe, here size isn't what makes things great. And every car doesn't need V8.

And no, if I would spend such amount of money on a car (IS500 will prolly cost about $90,000 here anyway), I would never go for a Toyota. I'd want something special for that price.


You put it nice, specialy the ''interior section''.

[QuattroFan]

I cant stand Road and Track mag. Evo or Car for me thanks.