Hot brakes...

[Paldi]

I wonder if there is an air scoop for the front brakes?

http://www.hostdub.com/albums/PanEuropean/brake_Scoop_1.jpg

These are from a VW Phaeton. Think they could work?

[Paldi]

The two scoops are at approximately the 12 o'clock position in this photo - just inboard of the rim of the wheels.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Paldi/Underside_of_Car.jpg

[Paldi]

The Cover Plate #3 which includes the air scoop is the Phaeton part that might fit the RS6. I'll report back with the part number when I dig it up.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Paldi/Phaeton%20Mods/3CoverPlate.gif

[Bomber]

I have those on my RS4.....needed to modify the parts slightly but it's a nice OEM looking feature.

And cheap too....:D

[Paldi]

When did you do that? Did you use Phaeton parts or something else? Is there a thread about it someplace? Got photos and details???
:0:

[Bomber]

I've used the Pheaton parts.

Here's a link that will show you the full article.

http://www.rs246.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=50549&highlight=brake+ducts

Succes!!

[Paldi]

to fit the full splash guard... so it would tend to hold the cool scooped air against the rotors longer, and to give more support to the duct. Wonder if anyone on S4, RS4 or S6, RS6 has done it with the full splash guard?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Paldi/Phaeton%20Mods/3CoverPlateC.jpg

[tgroeger]

Today, i tried to install the phaeton splash guards and ducts to my stock rs6 brakes. Sadly the installation wasn't successfully:

* The phaeton splash guards did not fit, because the suspension has a little buckling. Only an uneven installation is possible.

* After cutting the guard, only two bolts of four bolts fit,
so the "expansion" is very instabile. I do not trust the stability at vmax.

Anyone more ideas, to install cooling ducts?

[Paldi]

I wonder if you could have relocated the bolt holes on the splash guard or used the scoop from the Phaeton and bolted it to a reworked RS6 splash guard? I don't understand what you mean in saying the suspension has a buckling? Do you have photos? I still think the idea is excellent if the parts can be machined to fit it is worth the expense. Sorry for you it wasn't a bolt-in job. Thanks for testing the concept.:mech:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Paldi/Phaeton%20Mods/dp_duct1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Paldi/Phaeton%20Mods/dp_duct2.jpg

Note: Photos are of an S4 race installation of Phaeton scoop and reworked cut down splash guard.

[tgroeger]

Thanks for the fast answer.

The original rs6 splash guard has a gap at the red circle on the drawing, to fit into a buckle of the suspension at the green circle.

Further i have one more winding at the blue circle.

Did you try your construction at high speed?
I think there is much pressure, on the two bolts.

But your picture gave me an idea.
I will try to weld an extension to the quard, so i can reach the winding at the blue circle. So i will have at last three fastenings.

[Aronis]

Hey,

Nice work.

Design a setup for the RS6....manufacture them.....sell them.....you'll sell many here, especially if you can find data on brake temps before and after.

Mike

[Paldi]

tgroeger: Great illustrations! I wonder if the stock RS6 splash guard could be cut out for the Phaeton scoop, with a bracket welded to it to bolt on the scoop? The area surrounding the hole on the phaeton splash plate and including the two mounting flanges for the Phaeton plastic air scoop would be welded onto the RS6 splash guard.

From the looks of it, the Phaeton splash guard has a hole for that 3rd bolt. It must either be a little off or it didn't fit due to the bulge in the RS6 suspension arm twisting things around a bit. I think we are close. The illustrations you and I have posted show the suspension upright on both cars to be quite similar. I wonder if it's just a matter of deforming the Phaeton splash guard out a bit to clear the bulge in the RS6 upright?


What are the costs of the two splash guards and the scoop?

[jimmy94507]

Phaeton parts are installed on my RS6

Regards, Jimmy

[Benman]

Originally posted by jimmy94507
Phaeton parts are installed on my RS6

Regards, Jimmy

Hello There Jimmy! :cheers:

Been talking with Jimmy in email. Seems he does in fact have a way to make this work so a good find Paldi.:thumb:

I'm thinking about possibly going this route but I may not need it as I have something special planned for my new track car.:hahahehe: We shall see...

Ben:addict:

[Paldi]

It would be great if the RS 6 splash shield could be modified to fit the Phaeton air scoop. I might just purchase one to have a look at them close up. Does anyone know the part numbers for the S6 and RS6 front splash shields?

[jimmy94507]

The RS6 sheild is rather flimsy. The Phaeton sheild metal is twice as thick and the angled bracket welded to the sheild is very sturdy and precisely made. One could cut a hole in the RS6 sheild and fabricate an angled bracket to attach the Phaeton ducts. It would be quite difficult and time consuming to get all the measurements correct so you would have the duct located properly. I suggest you look carefully at the Phaeton sheild construction details and reinforcement around the sheild duct opening in the picture of S4 you posted above or picture P6120194 which I sent you.

IMHO, modify a Phaeton sheild.

Regards, Jimmy

[Paldi]

Jimmy, some of your photos are posted below. You do great work! Let us know how they work. The trade-off may be a little more unsprung weight in exchange for hopefully a lot cooler brakes!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Paldi/Phaeton%20Mods/P6100184.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Paldi/Phaeton%20Mods/P6100185.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Paldi/Phaeton%20Mods/P6120193.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Paldi/Phaeton%20Mods/P6120194.jpg

[Paldi]

Jimmy This photo shows the right scoop hitting the lower suspension bolt (before you reversed it) and how that pushed the splash shield closer to the disk.

I'm wondering if the splash shield could have been shimmed so it would always be that close to the disk? (Maybe not quite that close, but say, halfway?)

Put a thin flat washer at each of the three bolt holes where it mounts to the suspension upright. That would move the shield closer to the disk - perhaps enough to clear the "bulge" of the suspension upright, so you would not need to cut the rectangle (o as much) out of the P splash guard.

It would also minimize the interference between that suspension bolt and the scoop.

Just a thought to fine tune your great effort. Maybe also weld on a tab so you can use the upper bolt hole?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/Paldi/Phaeton%20Mods/P6120192.jpg

[Paldi]

Another thought. If necessary, drill a hole where the suspension bolt hits the fiberglass scoop. That will eliminate the interference at the expense of a little air loss. better to reverse the suspension bolt if that will accomplish the desired result!

[DetailersDomain]

how about mfg them out of carbon fiber?:D

[Paldi]

I have a chrome fetish, :hihi:

[jimmy94507]

I think talk of manufacturing is a bit out of touch. Carbon Fiber??
The number of RS6 owners in the US that read this forum and AW RS6 forum is small with a much smaller # of people who are willing buy these sorts of mods.
Hell, a year ago I couldn't even get people to respond to my post about aftermarket front rotors as a "direct replacement" to the RS6 Audi supplied rotors.
How do you expect to get a manufacturer interested in making parts at a reasonable cost? Not possible!
They want to make "kits" where there is a reasonable profit margin, not sell relatively inexpensive parts.

Jimmy

[Paldi]

I bet you would sell about three, if that, and a few owners will make them themselves. Then, some idiot grease monkey would put it on wrong and the car owner would, of course, seek to sue the marketer of the kit.

It would have been great if the parts fit without modification and fit other Audis besides the RS6.

[gjg]

of course - the ACA would find a way to strip a dollar off you and anyone else ..... :D

[skiwi]

good work, i'll probably do this myself.

for anyone else interested, the part numbers are:
phaeton, air guide: 3d0 615 447/8 E
phaeton splash guard: 3d0615311/2 C

[Mister QUESTEL]

:bye:

Very interesting ! ! ! !

Thanks everybody

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