Update on new RS6

[tailpipe]

Just chatting with a friend on their way to New York show.

Everyone is worried about the next RS6 because the talk on the street is that the S6 is a bit of a damp squib. It could so easily develop 480-500 bhp, so no one understands why it doesn't. (The obvious answer is trhat it would have been too close to the new RS6.) Also the ride has generally been criticised for being crude and less well sorted than RS4's. So the S6 is seen as a marketing man's car not a sports car afficionado's car. Consequently, dealers everywhere are saying either up the power on the S6 or bring the next RS6 out sooner.

The problem for Audi is that its new model realese calendar is full. Deliveries to dealers look something like this: Q7 arriving in time for summer, followed by RS4 Avant and Cabrio late summer, TT in September, Le Mans for Christmas, A5 for March, and then there's the B8 A4. I wonder where the RS6 will fit in? It looks like being a 2008 model year car.

In the meantime, RS6 prototypes continue to be seen being tested both in Germany and elsewhere. Audi should tease us with a sanctioned release of a spy shot that will enable photoshop gurus to give us some automotive pornography or at least a good idea of the real thing.

In terms of spec, I am hearing confirmation of a V-10 twin turbo developing 530-550 bhp, i.e. well above the M5*. Given Audi's recent experience with both Lamborghini Gallardo and S8/S6, tuning the engine is proving to be easy. The challenge is to deliver performance and economy. That said, expect no compromise in terms of go. I find it hard to believe, but they are shooting for a 0-100 kph of around 4.0 - 4.1 seconds!!!!!! with an ungoverned top speed is just south of 200 mph.

Like RS4, expect it to shed weight via extensive use of aluminium. Its party piece, apart from the engine, will be the suspension set-up and ride control.

I am hearing that both manual and automatic options will be offered, but not DSG, bcause it doesn't go with current A6 transmission system.

Comments and descriptions heard among insiders include:

"If Lamborhini produced a wagon/ estate version of the Murcialago, it would be an RS6 Avant."

"The basic A6 is a much better start point for the RS6 than the B7 A4 was for the RS4. So, if you thought RS4 was good, you ain't seen nothin' yet!!!" (I'd like to know how you say that in German)?

The bad news is likely to be the price.
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*You may remember that BMW had quite a lot of problems with early M5 engine reliability? They reduced the power on early production cars without telling anyone while a fix was found. The latest M5's coming off the line have the fix and cars that have been dyno tested are developing in excess of 520 bhp. BMW is saying nothing, because it wants people to think it is doing this with a 507 bhp car. I think the power increase was necessary to distance M5 from RS4.

[moldowan]

interesting............
I was in a bmw dealer here in austin TX and they said the 2007 model year should be in dealers in a month or so.
they said all new orders will be 2007 Model years. so why in april are they making 2007 cars?????
I was considering a M5 but............. really like audi's better and the rs6 @ 550hp is a no brainer. so the redesign of the A6 body is 2009?????? and the rs6 is expected in mid to late 2008?????
I'll wait if i have to, but if you check old treads everyone thought the current rs4 would come out 1 year ago, wonder how off the mark we are for a rs6 release? I hope it isn't spring of 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rs6kiss:

[Benman]

Originally posted by tailpipe
"So, if you thought RS4 was good, you ain't seen nothin' yet!!!" (I'd like to know how you say that in German)?



Deshalb wenn Sie gedacht haben, dass der RS 4 gut, Sie ain war' hat t nothin gesehen' noch :D or: Deshalb wenn Sie gedacht haben, dass der RS 4 gut war, haben Sie noch nichts nicht gesehen

R8 will not be out by Christmas and like moldowan mentions, we all thought RS 4 would be here a lot earlier, so expect a similar story with the RS 6. Will be out right before new body change, just like last time.:D

Ben:addict:

[QuattroFun]

That was a good one, Benman. Thx, Tailpipe, for the update. Well, very much looking forward for the new RS6 and the current A6 basis may be good, but there is no escaping that the RS6 will still be heavy as a pig & still over 5m long no matter what amount of lightweight components they use...
:p

[Qisha]

So, if you thought RS4 was good, you ain't seen nothin' yet!!!" (I'd like to know how you say that in German)?

"also wenn sie glauben das der RS4 gut ist, dann haben sie noch gar nichts gesehen"

I remember what a person close to the RS6 II developing crew said:

"...gegen den neuen ist der alte wie ein Spielzeug Auto".

Translation:

"...compared to the new one, the old one looks like a toy car".

No news about the production start, still KW22/2007(28.05.2007). Delivery could be late 2007.

[tailpipe]

Qisha i am glad you've heard the same thing about release date for RS6.

I would add to the other comments above that we need to remember the RS4 is VERY late. Much later than Audi had envisaged. Remember it got shown at Geneva 2005 in March and everyone was talking about September delivery. That was before melting cylinder head blocks and other development problems.

Of course, this doesn't change the fundamental problem: RS models do generally arrive far too late in the model cycle compared to BMW M models. I actually complained in person to someone very senior at Audi about this last year. I got a polite nod from this chap, who incidently had previously worked at BMW.

We'll see.

As for Ben's and Qisha's translations.

:D :D :D :D

:bye:

[chutia]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4630473290

Maybe that's all these cars are really worth considering all the trouble they have (yes, I realize the auction is not over yet)??!!

[Benman]

Originally posted by Qisha

I remember what a person close to the RS6 II developing crew said:

"...gegen den neuen ist der alte wie ein Spielzeug Auto".

Translation:

"...compared to the new one, the old one looks like a toy car".

:MTM: :MTM: :MTM: :MTM:

If that's true, I'll want one!!!:bow:

Ben:addict:

[chutia]

Do not buy this car under any circumstances. You will deeply regret it.

[Benman]

Originally posted by chutia
Do not buy this car under any circumstances. You will deeply regret it.
Huh? Why not?

[chutia]

simply read all the issues that folks who own this car have with it and the manufacturer. they are actually understatements, but, i know, you won't believe it until you own one. than it is too late. cavaet emptor.

[Benman]

Originally posted by chutia
simply read all the issues that folks who own this car have with it and the manufacturer. they are actually understatements, but, i know, you won't believe it until you own one. than it is too late. cavaet emptor.

I own a RS 6. I love the car, its fantastic! In fact, there is no other sedan I'd rather have as my family car. Having said that, I'm not blind. I realize there are others who have issues with their RS 6s. In fact, some very serious (Mike and Paul to name two). But the fact that they've even kept theirs, proves the car is very desireable! If it wasn't, they would have lemon lawed it looooong ago. Afterall, it is their right to do so.

My point is, even the owners who have problems, still want the car. True, they don't want it in the condition theirs is currently in, but they still long for the day when their car runs like a RS 6 should!

The Next Gen RS 6 will be no different. There will be unlucky ones that end up with the problem childs, but the vast majority of owners will have a good experience. No, its not fair, but neither is anything else. Its always a game of odds, even if you're driving something as reliable as a Honda or Toyota.

Out of the what, 5000+ owners of RS 6s, how many are actually posting they have serious issues? 10? 20? 50? Even if the answer is 50, that's only 1%, and even 100 is only 2%.

Like I said, its not fair, but to be expected that some "bite the dust" and next round could very well be my turn. All we can hope is that the dealers are better prepared by quattro GmbH and Audi AG this time...

Ben:addict:

[tailpipe]

Benman,

You are so right in your analysis.

When the RS6 was launched it incorporated a lot of new technologies, particularly electronic driver aids, that were still in their infancy. The problem was how to get such systems to work well together. Many of the issues encountered have now been resolved and on the whole Audi has been pretty good in fixing them for owners who have enountered problems.

My heart goes out to owners in the USA who have had nightmare ownership experiences. I think this is a legacy of the previous management team at Audi USA, most of whom were axed at the beginning of 2005. Where individuals have not received fair treatment to fix defects that relate to defective manufacture, I believe the only recourse is a class action by a group of owners experiencing the same problems. My advice, however, is to be firm and polite. Beligerence always antagonises. I hope this doesn't sound condescending to people who have tried and got nowhere, but it is a tactic that has always worked for me, as a former BMW owner.

Moreover, the next RS6 is likely to incorporate many technologies that are now mature, particularly DRC. I confidently predict that the next RS6 will be every bit as desirable as the last one, but it should also be a whole lot more reliable.

As I have probably made clear, I would like a really powerful but frugal diesel in mine rather than a V-10, but I think whatever it offers it'll be beyond all expectations.

[QuattroFun]

I see the point of wishing for a diesel RS6 up to a point. But me thinks cars like the RS6 should be exclusive, expensive, Audi's best shot & top gun and thus highly emotional. Diesel power is very PC, functional, even fun to drive with all the torque and may win the day eventually, but otherwise the emotion and thrill will severely be left out...as it will - albeit to a much lesser extent - be with V10 TT vs. V10 NA.

[chutia]

Gentlemen-
I completely respect each of your experiences and your own feelings about this car, and for some or many of you, the near-adulation that you have for this car. I certainly hope you continue to enjoy your experience with this car.

For myself, this car has been an abject failure, as has been the bellicose and stand-offish stance of the dealership in terms of rapid problem solution. One buys a car, or indeed any other fairly expensive toy, for pleasure. Not pain. The systemic failures both with this car and Audi management of the affected owners are well documented in this forum.

One of the gentlemen (benman, I believe) had stated that only perhaps 1-5% of owners have problems out of 5.000. Consider two observations: 1. I don't know that this forum has 5,000 registered, acrive members who post to this (nor probably any other board on this car). It appears to have < 500, of which the vast majority have posted < 5 times ever...... and 2. many, many bad things and experiences are not reported, especially formally on this board (or any other). Hence, I think there is a lot, and unknowable, amount of underreporting of problems. These are empirical observations and not intended to start any heated diatribes or pushback.

[Benman]

Originally posted by chutia
One buys a car, or indeed any other fairly expensive toy, for pleasure.

You are absolutely, 100% correct and I'm sorry to hear that you are one of the effected owners. In no way, shape or form, am I making light of your situation. If I was in your shoes (or Paul's or Mike's) I'd be ROYALLY pissed!


Originally posted by chutia

One of the gentlemen (benman, I believe) had stated that only perhaps 1-5% of owners have problems out of 5.000. Consider two observations:

Again, I do feel your pain and I'm not asserting all of the problems get reported. But it would be reasonable to assume (I know, I know) that at least the majority do. Also, you're correct that the 5000+ owners are not posting here (although they should), but the vast majority post somewhere, and yet, you really don't hear about more than a few dozen cases (perhaps as high as 100 different cars).

In this day and age, customer satisfaction is the most important feature and when someone doesn't get it, they're quick to let others know about it (as would I). That's the reasoning behind me assuming (which one shouldn't really do) that its a safe bet that "only" 2% or so get screwed. Again, that is not a fair deal and I truely feel sorry for the ones that do get it (especially ones like Paul who I've personally met on several occasions and can vouch for being a Class A Guy), but is a sad truth. Innocent people get screwed. I wish it wasn't so, but it is.

Hopefully, Audi (quattro) can get the second generation RS 6 to have less than half of ONE percent of the run develop problems. That would be an amazing feat. But even with that figure, if 6000 cars are built, that means 30 people will still get screwed! 30 people who will spend more than $100K and end up with a very bad taste in their mouth. I sure hope its not you (if you decide to get a RS 6MkII) or anyone else on this forum (well, maybe Nordschleife:trash: ), but we won't know till its too late.

I am sorry to hear though when others have issues. Always makes me feel guilty for having such a trouble free experience.:cheers:

Ben:addict:

[QuattroFun]

So I am happy with my RS4 and it is objectively fast against the speedo & clock - but truth told, dare I say it, it does not feel quite fast enough. Give me a RS6 with TT V10 developing 600bhp & monster torque and excellent handling, please!

[Bauer]

Like RS4, expect it to shed weight via extensive use of aluminium.

Shed weight? The US version has been confirmed at 3957lbs!?! How is that shedding weight when the B7 S4 weights in at 3710lbs?

B7 RS4 specifications

http://academy.accessaudi.com/files/mySpex/2007_RS4.pdf#search='audi%20B7%20RS4%20specificati ons'

B7 S4 specifications

http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/losangeles/a4/05s4specs.pdf#search='audi%20B7%20S4%20specificati ons'

[Aronis]

Originally posted by Benman
In fact, some very serious (Mike and Paul to name two). But the fact that they've even kept theirs, proves the car is very desireable! If it wasn't, they would have lemon lawed it looooong ago. Afterall, it is their right to do so.


Ben:addict:

Lets get into this some more.

My car began having the DRC problem after the 2nd year.

Lemon Laws are only helpful if the repair begins in the first 18 months or 12,000 Miles (not 100% sure, don't have the print out in front of me) but for my car I was outside the lemon law window.

My options to get rid of the car.

As per AFS (audi financial services)

a. Voluntary surrender - they sell it at auction, I pay the difference from buyout, excess miliage (if over), etc. and I have a black mark on my credit report for 8 years.

b. Pay off the rest of the lease and drop it off, pay for any excess milage, etc. and let someone else drive it for the last 18 months of the lease. Ya Right, I'll loan it out as a god dam taxin in NY City before I pay for the lease and not have a car to drive, even with it bouncing.

c. Trade it in, let someone else deal with it 'as is', but that would require I buy an expensive enough car that the trade in would make sense to the new dealer - that is not very practical as the buyout is too high to make the car a very worthy trade in.

d. Buy it out of the lease then sell it, NOT.....the used car lemon law is much more dangerous to me as the 'sellor'

e. Aftermarket the suspension $2000 to $5000 plus labor - finish the lease....AFS says if they see it is not EOM RS6 stock, I would have to pay to put DRC back in and we know that CANNOT BE DONE.

f. Drive it like it is......no choice for me.....so bouncing I go...the ride sucks.

Now let the litergy begin.

I had my new tires mounted at the Audi RS6 dealership. where the weight are added there is NO evidence they cleaned the rim...so those waits are just waiting to fall off.

Had Onstar repaired at the dealer, they did not call in the Numbers to On-star thus the unit was never activated..and of course the light is red again as the repair was done by just changing to another defective unit...they were told they did not listen.

Had the DRC repaired, called to tell me it was fixed, the car was no better and infact after changing the rear seals and refusing to see the logic in changing the front seals as well, the car was bouncing far worse within a few hundred miles as the front shocks leaked, many trips back to dealer, expert from Main Office in Massachusetts worked on the car, still not better than the day the leak began and the SIN for which I can never forgive them.....they reported to AOA that the car was back to normal.

Took the car to another RS6 dealer ( I was very happy to find one only an hour from here) and they FINALLY PUT IN WRITTING that the suspension was not right.....but of course they also have NO experience fixing it and are going to TRY repressurizing the shocks to 5 bar, not knowing, understanding, giving a shit, that you have to first repressurize the shocks and tubing THEN connect a new factory pressurized Control Valve and if it does not end up right on.....the new valves are NO GOOD, start over.

And more.....

[Aronis]

Originally posted by chutia
Do not buy this car under any circumstances. You will deeply regret it.

AMEN

[Aronis]

The RS6 is supposed to be Audi Premier car.

The reason why they cannot fix the car is that the Marketing department has taken over the company from the Engineers.

The issue with a failure of one or two of the 1200 cars in the US is not that such a problem is not heard of, it is the issue of how Audi choose to respond to it.

In both my case and Pauls case the dealer reported back to AOA that both cars were back to factory spec.

That Lie is a Sin for which Audi can NEVER EVER EVER RECOVER.

Now that someone has gone off the reservation and given me a printed report that says the suspension is not right dispite the fact that the Regional Service Rep certified that the car was back to factory spec I have the written evidence of just how much AUDI SUCKS.

And the BS that the AOA senior guy gave me about it not being possible to restore the cars suspension to good as new condition is pure unadulterated CRAP.

If the car's frame has not been damaged and you replace the shocks and other parts, then the car should be 'dead' back to factory spec.....the springs don't wear out.....not symetrically on all four.

Don't you see.......AOA does not CARE about the customer...after the sale or lease you are STUCK.

At this point both Paul and I and anyone else with this DRC probem should have had our cars back to normal by a combination of 1. Factory Mechanic flown in from Germany and 2. Production Engineer from the company that makes the DRC there to help that German. The cost of that would far less than what has been wasted between MY TIME, Paul's TIME and the wasted time at each dealer.

What are they going to do with the first RS4 that has this problem? Sweep that under the rug.

If anyone wants my car so much THEY CAN HAVE IT....just they have to pay the buyout and the taxes etc...and they can have my car - AS IS.

Mike

PS the Sopranos was a bit better tonight......the poor Masserati...nice car....

[shimmy]

mines allright!

Needs vacuuming every now and then and for some reason the fuel tank keeps loosing all of that fuel that I keep pumping into it but touch wood so far so good.

[Benman]

Originally posted by Aronis
And the BS that the AOA senior guy gave me about it not being possible to restore the cars suspension to good as new condition is pure unadulterated CRAP.

If the car's frame has not been damaged and you replace the shocks and other parts, then the car should be 'dead' back to factory spec.....the springs don't wear out.....not symetrically on all four..
Agree, my commuter Accord has its struts changed every 70K, and now at 160K it still has a brand new factory ride.


Originally posted by Aronis

Both Paul and I and anyone else with this DRC probem should have had our cars back to normal by a combination of 1. Factory Mechanic flown in from Germany and 2. Production Engineer from the company that makes the DRC there to help that German. The cost of that would far less than what has been wasted between MY TIME, Paul's TIME and the wasted time at each dealer.



Again, agree, but it is still true that yours (although a very sad case) is still the minority. Yes, your problems should have been fixed for SURE and it is OUTRAGEOUS that you guys are still dealing with this crap, but it is not the norm. Jimmy doesn't deeply regret having ever bought his RS 6, neither do I, neither does Icon, Bauer, George, quattro GmbH, Ricky, Gote...etc...

Ok, so I can't speak for other persons, and I can't put the words in their mouths for them. All I can say is that I am truely sorry that you guys got the raw end of the stick (I think there is some new "cowboy" movie that describes your situation). And to make it worse, the dealer didn't even offer you gentlemen a pillow before the pain began...

I know that this experience has left a terrible taste in your mouth and more than likely you'll never come back to the Four Rings, but it will not change my impression of Audi. I've heard people SCREAM that they'll never buy another Toyota again because of the lemon they got (been there at the dealership while they let the service manager have it) but it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority have few problems with their cars...

In the end, there will always be those that get screwed. For that, I'm sorry.

Ben:addict:

[Aronis]

I hear you, and understand.

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Yes it is a remarkable testimony to the excellent quality of Audi's Engineer and Manufacturing in Germany that there HAVE been so few problems.

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Don't get me totally wrong, I LOVE MY FRIGGEN RS6...but the fact that these bastarges have not been able to fix it right burns me......and the fact that they lied to AOA.....

So the warning raised by others above is nothing to sneeze at.

Now the real problem for guys like me is that I leased this $80,000 car as my ONLY Car, and I feel Audi intended the car to be a daily driver, but it's really meant for those guys (many here) who also can run off and buy a couple of S600s and a Masserati or two...they can afford to have their buttler drop the RS6 off at the dealer for a month, while they suffer driving one of their other $80,000 cars.

When I brought this car in for service I should have gotton that SERVICE including a better loaner than a three year old beat up A4 or A6 and when they mounted and ballanced my new friggen tires they dam well should have cleaned the wheels before putting the new tires on and putting the glue-on weights on. And that On-Star should have been properly Tested, etc, etc.

Now did the RS6 certified Mechanic do these things? NO...some GD flunky did.

It's like a Porsche dealership in Manchester New Hampshire....my friends 18 year old spent the summer working there....doing oil changes on 911 turbos......and he was all thumbs....

SERVICE AFTER THE SALE SUCKS AT AUDI. PERIOD.

Those who get screwed are usually those unlike ones who get an actual lemon that turns green while the lemon law still applies. Those who get screwed after that period are truely screwed as these guys admittedly cannot fix this problem. And Audi will not pay for an aftermarket suspension.

NOT LEMONS.

LIARS.

Mike

[Benman]

Originally posted by Aronis

Don't get me totally wrong, I LOVE MY FRIGGEN RS6...but the fact that these bastarges have not been able to fix it right burns me......and the fact that they lied to AOA.....

As it would me.

Originally posted by Aronis

Now the real problem for guys like me is that I leased this $80,000 car as my ONLY Car, and I feel Audi intended the car to be a daily driver, but it's really meant for those guys (many here) who also can run off and buy a couple of S600s and a Masserati or two...they can afford to have their buttler drop the RS6 off at the dealer for a month, while they suffer driving one of their other $80,000 cars.

LOL! I'm in your boat! At least you're a Doctor. Me, I'm just a lowly kid who never went to High School and had to save up major bucks for a down payment just to afford the payments! :D

Originally posted by Aronis

When I brought this car in for service I should have gotton that SERVICE including a better loaner than a three year old beat up A4 or A6...

No kidding! When I bought my car at Advantage Audi, they had new A6 loaners for me, once they got bought by Walter's, I was lucky to get a Nissan Altima!

Originally posted by Aronis

Now did the RS6 certified Mechanic do these things? NO...some GD flunky did.

Now that sucks! I have to say, that although I don't like everything about Walter's in Riverside, they at least always make sure their Master tech is the only one who touches my car. He's RS 6 certified and I'm on a first name basis with him and the head service writer (Brian the tech, and Stacy the Service writer are first class BTW:thumb: ).

Again, all I can say is that your RS 6 (along with everyone elses) S H O U L D __H A V E __B E E N __ F I X E D !!! No excuses, no stories, just get the dang result so the customer can ENJOY his freaking car! I really believe that communication in the beginning would have changed everything!:cheers:

Ben:addict:

[Aronis]

:cheers:

Is that Bass Ale?

LOL

Mike

:w: :w: :w: :w: :w: :w: :w: :w: :w:

[Benman]

Originally posted by Bauer
Shed weight? The US version has been confirmed at 3957lbs!?! How is that shedding weight when the B7 S4 weights in at 3710lbs?

B7 RS4 specifications

http://academy.accessaudi.com/files/mySpex/2007_RS4.pdf#search='audi%20B7%20RS4%20specificati ons'

B7 S4 specifications

http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/losangeles/a4/05s4specs.pdf#search='audi%20B7%20S4%20specificati ons'

Not that I don't believe AOA's official paperwork, but 3710lbs for the S4 sounds awfully light. They're trying to tell me that the 06' V8 S4 is the exact same weight as the 01' S4(00' was 100lbs lighter than the 01' BTW)?:confused: I seriously doubt it. Seriously doubt it. KBB (not the be all, end all) puts the 06' S4 at 3946, and they, unlike Audi, have nothing to gain by "fibbing" figures.

Again, not implying that AOA is lying, just think that's a misprint. Has to be. I mean, its impossible for the S4 to not gain a single POUND in 5 years!!! (01' lists at 3704lbs, so it gained "six" lbs...).

Not likely. Misprint for sure.

Ben:addict:

[Aronis]

Originally posted by Benman
Not that I don't believe AOA's official paperwork, but 3710lbs for the S4 sounds awfully light. They're trying to tell me that the 06' V8 S4 is the exact same weight as the 01' S4(00' was 100lbs lighter than the 01' BTW)?:confused: I seriously doubt it. Seriously doubt it. KBB (not the be all, end all) puts the 06' S4 at 3946, and they, unlike Audi, have nothing to gain by "fibbing" figures.

Again, not implying that AOA is lying, just think that's a misprint. Has to be. I mean, its impossible for the S4 to not gain a single POUND in 5 years!!! (01' lists at 3704lbs, so it gained "six" lbs...).

Not likely. Misprint for sure.

Ben:addict:

The actual vehicle weight can vary greatly based on accessories....every little electronic gadgit adds a few pounds here and there. So if you get a stripped S4 it could weight 100 pounds less than the one with the NAV UNIT, Better sterio, cell phone blue tooth hookup, CD changer...etc.... As soon as I sit in the car that adds 250 pounds plus or minus any gadgets I have in my pockets, cell phone, PDA, Pager, Pen, etc....

LOL

Mike

[Benman]

Originally posted by Aronis
As soon as I sit in the car that adds 250 pounds plus or minus any gadgets I have in my pockets, cell phone, PDA, Pager, Pen, etc....

LOL

Mike

LOL!:applause: Yes, But... a stripped 06' S4 does not weight the same as a stripped 01' S4. That's my point.:thumb:

Ben:addict:

[Bauer]

could be a misprint because it did not make a whole lot of sense to me as well.

[Benman]

Originally posted by Bauer
could be a misprint because it did not make a whole lot of sense to me as well.

That's the only thing I can think of as there's no way the new S4 is as light as yours...:vhmmm:

Either way, your point of the RS 4 not shedding weight is still very valid. The RS 4 weight of 3957 is still above the 3946 KBB lists for the S4!

And guess what?!? The next RS 6 (back on topic) is going to be even heavier than the last RS 6! Autoweek is quoting an "estimate" weight of 4400lbs for the new S6! Think the next RS 6 will be lighter than that?:applause:

Ben:addict:

[moldowan]

Originally posted by Benman

And guess what?!? The next RS 6 (back on topic) is going to be even heavier than the last RS 6! Autoweek is quoting an "estimate" weight of 4400lbs for the new S6! Think the next RS 6 will be lighter than that?:applause:

Ben:addict:

Ouch!! I'll place a wager here that the new rs6 comes in with a 520hp v10, not the 550-600 hp rating i have seen thrown around.So even if it is around 4400lbs that would not make it a 63 amg or M5 killer!
Still will be more exclusive thou and I love audi's the best but I would really like a m5 killer at least in straight line acceleration!
Problem is I can't wait until late 2008 or what ever the date is and the cls55 amg is looking good right now!!!-LOL

-Moldy ( 100K in depeciation since '02..damn I can't keep a car)

[umbe78]

Hi !

It would be the new rs6....

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/2654/z38lk.jpg

:love: :love:

:bye: :bye:

[eazy]

Sorry, but this pic is about 2 years old

[umbe78]

Originally posted by eazy
Sorry, but this pic is about 2 years old


Ouppppsss ! sorry :D

:bye: