M5 vs. RS6 vs. M3 CSL

[Sander]

This is a verry nice Video of 3 verry fast cars:rs6kiss: :applause:
http://www.bmw-drivers.de/portal.php?single_article=5818

[shimmy]

being a new RS6 owner and an old E39 M5 owner am I to believe that the MTM RS6 cannot pull on the stock M5 from 100kph.

has anybody any reliable info or links to old threads that do the comparison of the stock to stock and RS6 stage 1 and 2 to the m5?

thanks

[TaTaPiRaTa]

Originally posted by shimmy
being a new RS6 owner and an old E39 M5 owner am I to believe that the MTM RS6 cannot pull on the stock M5 from 100kph.

I think it very much depends on ambient temperature and how hot the RS6 is at the start of such race. RS6 gets slow when heat soaked, after few hard runs.... but when I look outside and know that for next half a year there will be snow and wet on the tamrac I'm very happy I have RS6 not M5 :addict:

[shimmy]

i guess that means no then.

Suprises me somewhat. I will have to find an E39 M5 this weekend which shouldnt be too difficult as I am off to the M5board Sunday Lunch so will have plenty to choose from. Maybe I need to let their tyres down a little or stick to 0-100 runs

[Tom C]

Does the Avant body style decrease performance (added weight and higher drag coefficent) over the sedan?

Tom

[CarbonFibre]

Originally posted by Tom C
Does the Avant body style decrease performance (added weight and higher drag coefficent) over the sedan?

Tom
Yes but not by a significant amount.

[alex_s3]

I have have seen a movie (tribute to the RS6) on this forum, and the rs6 drove against the M5 (400hp).... It wasen't a contest... The RS6 was much faster, and i think it had Automat..

[gjg]

Originally posted by shimmy

being a new RS6 owner and an old E39 M5 owner am I to believe that the MTM RS6 cannot pull on the stock M5 from 100kph.



I agree with Marcin - and do not forget other, very important fact - in day to day driving the size of BMW driver balls counts - they are usually much bigger in a parking lot .... :D

I experienced M5 recently (the new one) and at 240+ kph stock rs6+ goes away ... :addict:

[shimmy]

sorry but stock RS6+only only goes one way above 240kph to an E60M5 and that is back in the rear view mirror.

You need to check the other thread running today on this board which confirms that stage 1-2 cant keep anywhere near it and see the links to the M5Board where Gustav (mad swede) has been racing all sorts above 100mph in an E60M5 and not too much can beat it stock other than supercars.

But then you would expect that as it is 'of the moment' as a saloon and others wil catch up and maybe better in time, but that will be 2-3 years my guess.

Looks liek the new RS4 has bettered the M3 for a while.

[gjg]

Shimmy, with all due respect, BTDT recently, and although the M5 maybe a superior car in some aspects to RS6, the performance goes as I said:


very important fact - in day to day driving the size of BMW driver balls counts - they are usually much bigger in a parking lot ....


Gustav may be an exception to general rule and I am sure that he is excellent driver. There is not too many like that though.....

oh well, the badge is not everything .....

[TaTaPiRaTa]

oh well, the badge is not everything .....

:applause: :applause: :applause:

:rs6kiss:

[shimmy]

Originally posted by gjg
[B]Shimmy, with all due respect, BTDT recently, and although the M5 maybe a superior car in some aspects to RS6, the performance goes as I said:



Gustav may be an exception to general rule and I am sure that he is excellent driver. There is not too many like that though.....

oh well, the badge is not everything

gjg

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7456973188046837883&q=m6+911

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1554545651231980506&q=m5+911

try this. I know that we all like to think ours car is the fastest especially against our piers in the saloon market however understanding what the real world believes is a god given talent and will get you far in the world.

I get on very well with my RS6 and have no problems with BMW's but then I am grown up i like to think.

Try the links above and see what Gustav got up to at the Koenigsegg test track with a whole host of cars including this tuned Porsche Turbo etc etc

[SpinEcho]

BMW's are dog sh*t?

Amusing picture, but please - I can generate a list of flaws and bad design areas on any Audi that's as long as the list for any BMW. BTW, your comment about BMW drivers' balls being bigger in the parking lot sounds like you're yelling over the noise of your fart can exhaust to be heard. :eye:

[mi021le]

fact of the matter is that we have turbos. so who cares........ u can only get a certon hp # out of a NA motor. then u need a supercharger or something. next something else will go. cuz most NA cars arnt built to withstand 150 bhp more then stock. especially get traction. (theres a video of the brobus mb on here geting more traction with twice the power output. dont know guys, not what i want. i want to take it to the edge not already be there in comparison to the rs6.or id buy the new vette.) the m5/6 are cool. lets not forget its a v10..... and we have a turbo v8's. :) the power and drivetrain can and is mostly built up already (cough trans) cuz they know u will toy with it.... but thats the problem with awd. tranfering tq. now the m5 are already haveing isues with trans and its rear wheel drive. the power can be will be easly obtained with our car. we just loose the high end for all weather drivablility. lol i think i can handle that. and wait i knew i was forgeting something....... its a turbo v8. :p


fact is that if u build a Na motor car and u know the others build force fed cars. u know u have to build them to a number that will contend.. contend with somthing that can be so easily altered as a turbo car.




Originally posted by SpinEcho
B sounds like you're yelling over the noise of your fart can exhaust to be heard. :eye:

wtf are u talking about? lol

[eazy]

Originally posted by mi021le
fact of the matter is that we have turbos. so who cares........ u can only get a certon hp # out of a NA motor.They will have soon turbos, too.
A 335i with about 340bhp is already planned.
So, we will see how audi competes with bmw in future.

[alex_s3]

cool... then BMW dont have any excuse for been slower than Audi,, or wait... maybe thy're will come with quattro too:)

[Ruergard]

In all movies I've seen, stock RS6 against stock E39 M5. The M5 have been beaten by the RS6, from 0 it's not even worth trying for the M5. But at higher speeds the M5 keeps up good but still, the RS6 is faster. But it's only what I've seen on movies, not in reality... :)

:rs6kiss:

[mi021le]

Originally posted by alex_s3
cool... then BMW dont have any excuse for been slower than Audi,, or wait... maybe thy're will come with quattro too:)
lol thats the same thing i was thinking. wonder if they will leave the na m3. lol. id laugh. audi switch to allmotor and they leave all motor. :p

[aussie rs6]

Had a "real world" experience with new E60 M5 this evening in my stock 2003 rs6 (13.02 sec 1/4 mile).

I knew the driver of the V10 M5.

I can report that from standing start to 130 kph (75 mph) both very even with very slight edge to the M5.

Out of respect for our licences and other road users, although not many around, did not go much past that speed.

M5 has awesome banshee scream from V10 exhaust. very impressive car. Combined almost 1000hp between two cars is astounding when you think about it.

Given that E60 M5 is state of the art normally aspirated car and RS6 is 2 years old, I am very pleased with the RS6.

I and the

[kyokomo]

in reality! my rs6 have several matches with e60m5 & m6(of my friends)

chipped,bmc filter, milltek full exhaust rs6 is even with e60m5 to 250km/h....and m5 is faster by 3~4 cars at above speed to 320km/h.

e39m5 and stock rs6 is approximately same to 200km/h..:race:

[aussie rs6]

Apologies for the double post.

I never said the RS6 was "catching up" the E60M5.

I was surprised that with the extra 57 bhp the M5 did not destroy the RS6.

I know from road tests and as per Avus RS6 post on the www.M5Board.com that the M5 will make toast of stock RS6 on 1/4 mile- 12.57 secs.

However on the street, launch control is critical and if M5 driver stuffs it up he will not shake the RS6 at the relatively low speeds of which I spoke.

On launch the RS6 is relatively idiot proof. Just nail it- no tyre spin and away you go.

The comparison of modded RS6 with M5 and M6 provided by Kyokomo is nuch appreciated.

The M6 has been getting rave reviews in Australia, but not many around here unfortunately.

regards,
john

[highrustler]

I was hoping to find some insight here rather than kill stories or opinions, but no one seems to have driven the e60 M5. Until then, I will reserve any judgment. Both are fantastic cars and each has their strengths and flaws. My first hunch would be that the M5 out handles any car with four doors. The same cannot be said of the RS6. BUT – I cannot say this for sure until I actually have the opportunity to drive one. I for one, am looking forward to seeing what the M5 is all about because it will give an idea of what Audi will need to do to retake the super saloon platform.

james

[aussie rs6]

We rs6 owners are in the fortunate position that avus rs6 can provide a hands on experience of both cars handling, should he so wish to.

His post on the m5 board was very informative on the straight line performance of the m5 and its launch characteristics.

I personally am not in the market for a m5 as I am not a fan of its current styling, fine car that it is.

Do keep in mind that we are looking at 2003 super saloon versus 2005 super saloon. I too look forward to the 2007

[highrustler]

Well, here is a line that I copied from one of AvusRS6 posts over on the M5 board:

"The M5, above 5K RMP, constantly pulls and before you know it we were doing 105 MPH. Handling is out of this world, almost should be illegal for a sedan."

james

[7:53 RS6]

M5 and M6 handels very well indead even they are porky. But its all relative to what compered. M5/6 is far from...throw me in to the corners and around as the CSL are. But no one is surprised of it being that way i gues. Pork is the worst enemy a car have when it come to handeling. The new BMW are extremly fast and when they change gears at fastest mode it relly snap your neck whit a loud bang, you just got to love it fore that.

First timers driving it in fastest mode is relly up fore a suprise when it change gears.

Search forum for,

I drove M6

if intressted there are some of my impressions fore what they are worth.

[Gustav]

Thanks for the nice words guys :thumb:

More videos will come this spring.

[GmbHouse]

James - Let us know if you drive an e60 M5 at our altitudes. I'm curious about the power loss and the (presumably) closer performance of the RS6 because of the turbos.