Vid: BMW M5 vs. Gallardo and SR10 Viper

[Erik]

M5 vs. Gallardo

http://media.putfile.com/Gallrado-vs-E60-M5
http://media.putfile.com/G-vs-M5


M5 vs. RT10 Viper
http://media.putfile.com/E90-M5-vs-Viper-RT10



For more info:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36977&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

[steve]

Very nice vids Erik, thanks!

All 3 have a 500hp V10
Gallardo and Viper do seem to pull nicely away from the M5. I escpecially didn't expect the Gallardo to pull so good away.

[Kappe]

Originally posted by steve
Very nice vids Erik, thanks!

All 3 have a 500hp V10
Gallardo and Viper do seem to pull nicely away from the M5. I escpecially didn't expect the Gallardo to pull so good away.

I thought escpecially the gallardo would do that.. that gots a lot better airodynamics (that escpecially help a lot at that speeds) And it's lighter than the M5.

[Clio16V]

Very strange, Gustav and his M5 stayed ahead of the Gallardo in his famous video.

As Gustav said, maybe the M5 in this movie has not driven a lot of (fast) miles.

And will maybe faster over a few 1000miles or so.

[Clio16V]

M5 from gustav vs Gallardo (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8814065833562820484&q=galalrdo)

[Erik]

Originally posted by Clio16V
Very strange, Gustav and his M5 stayed ahead of the Gallardo in his famous video.


IMO the M5 was before the Gallardo only when the G-driver misshifted 8I guess this is the first part of the M5.com video)

IMO the M5 was never ahead of the Gallardo over the finish line.

[Klint]

eh?

So, what's the deal? Is the M5 faster or not?

Who cares about the videos, they can be fixed some way or another, which raises the question: Were they fixed to make the M5 seem to be the better performing product?

[Kappe]

Originally posted by Klint
eh?

So, what's the deal? Is the M5 faster or not?

Who cares about the videos, they can be fixed some way or another, which raises the question: Were they fixed to make the M5 seem to be the better performing product?

rofl M5 is slower :trash:

[Clio16V]

Gustav made 2 sprints against the Gallardo, both times very close to eachother.
A couple of magazines have tested the Gallardo (500hp and 520HP) from 0-200, also the M5/M6 are tested many times in the past months.

The Beamers were mostly faster.

The Gallardo is maybe faster above 200.

[clam]

Originally posted by Clio16V
Very strange, Gustav and his M5 stayed ahead of the Gallardo in his famous video.

As Gustav said, maybe the M5 in this movie has not driven a lot of (fast) miles.

And will maybe faster over a few 1000miles or so.

The long break in period is a myth. A proper brake in happens within the first 20miles, to grind the seal rings against the honing pattern on the cylinder walls, and after that the pattern will be gone, and the engine will not magically gain power.

If an engine really matures like a fine wine, why would professional racing teams rebuild or renew their engines every time they go racing?

I haven't seen the video, but perhaps it was a standing start. The inertia of the 4WD system of the Gallardo will make it slower in a regular acceleration comparison, espacially if they start from zero. 4WD is only really beneficial in low grip conditions, like exiting a corner, lots of torque, or a loose surface.
Like said before, aerodynamics probably gave the Lambo the edge.

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
this page is a must read

[Gustav]

Follow up:

They used the incorrect settings.

The M5 will toast the 996 Turbo, that is a fact.

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38160&highlight=gustav

[Clio16V]

Thanks Gustav :thumb:

[gjg]

Who cares about the videos, they can be fixed some way or another, which raises the question: Were they fixed to make the M5 seem to be the better performing product?

ha ha, good point when it comes to defending BMW's performance .... :harass:

[exE46M3]

Originally posted by Erik
IMO the M5 was never ahead of the Gallardo over the finish line.

Thanks for bringing that up, Erik.

Question: were you at the air strip when Gustav raced the E60 M5 against all those cars? Here's why I'm asking this question:

1. The video shot by the 6speedonline members shows the M5 left for dead in the dust, while Gustav's videos show something different. Yes, the Gallardo may have crossed the line first, but the M5 sure finished close.

2. Clearly, the idea behind the 6speedonline videos was to highlight Gustav's videos are fake/fixed... So, since this is the "ALL high performance cars" forum, I have to echo Klint's question: can you confirm Gustav's videos were fixed in any way? I don't think they were, but I was not there...

In my opinion, any large sedan that's capable of keeping up with Lambos/Ferraris/Porsches/etc has got to be a great car. :0:




Merry Christmas everyone!!!

[Clio16V]

In my opinion, any large sedan that's capable of keeping up with Lambos/Ferraris/Porsches/etc has got to be a great car.

The (4-door) Brabus E-V12 will crush most supercars in a straight line from 0-300 :race:

http://www.brabus-online.de/special/01pic03.jpg
http://www.brabus-online.de/special/01pic06.jpg

[Gustav]

1. Did you see the NEW video posted? The M5 left the 911 Turbo. The Gallardo walked the M5 SLOWLY in hteir new video wit hthe correct settings...

2. They were not fixed. Why would I do that? Erik was there.

3. It is a great car. It can keep up with Gallardo. Do a search on m5board.com in the E60 M5 Forum on Gallardo and you wil lsee at least two-three instaces of the M5 keeping up and holding its own very well vs the Gallardo.

V-10, 7 speed gearbox and 8300 rpm is a lovely combination :cool2:


Originally posted by exE46M3
Thanks for bringing that up, Erik.

Question: were you at the air strip when Gustav raced the E60 M5 against all those cars? Here's why I'm asking this question:

1. The video shot by the 6speedonline members shows the M5 left for dead in the dust, while Gustav's videos show something different. Yes, the Gallardo may have crossed the line first, but the M5 sure finished close.

2. Clearly, the idea behind the 6speedonline videos was to highlight Gustav's videos are fake/fixed... So, since this is the "ALL high performance cars" forum, I have to echo Klint's question: can you confirm Gustav's videos were fixed in any way? I don't think they were, but I was not there...

In my opinion, any large sedan that's capable of keeping up with Lambos/Ferraris/Porsches/etc has got to be a great car. :0:




Merry Christmas everyone!!!

[alex_s3]

hehe
1. Check the times 0-100km/t and 0-200km/t on both cars.. And u will see the Gallardo is faster...
2. People with BMW allways have an excuse... Thats very annoying.. Maybe the : sunny, long airfield wasn't long en enough:bye2:
3. If the bimmer lose with so called sunny, long airfield "perfect conditions", what will it on a wet mountain road then??

[Gustav]

:confused: I dont get it alex :confused:

[exE46M3]

Originally posted by alex_s3
hehe
1. Check the times 0-100km/t and 0-200km/t on both cars.. And u will see the Gallardo is faster...
2. People with BMW allways have an excuse... Thats very annoying.. Maybe the : sunny, long airfield wasn't long en enough:bye2:
3. If the bimmer lose with so called sunny, long airfield "perfect conditions", what will it on a wet mountain road then??

Alex,

Gustav is just stating fact - the M5 driver knows so much about his car that he raced a Gallardo in S5... Talk about "fixed" videos...

Anyway, nobody is saying the Gallardo is slower, but it ain't THAT faster on a straight line either. That's all.

Sorry, but being a hater is what I consider truly annoying. Some people just can't stand the fact that a large USD 80K sedan can hang out with exotics. See, no excuses. :thumb:

[exE46M3]

Originally posted by Gustav
1. Did you see the NEW video posted? The M5 left the 911 Turbo. The Gallardo walked the M5 SLOWLY in hteir new video wit hthe correct settings...

2. They were not fixed. Why would I do that? Erik was there.

3. It is a great car. It can keep up with Gallardo. Do a search on m5board.com in the E60 M5 Forum on Gallardo and you wil lsee at least two-three instaces of the M5 keeping up and holding its own very well vs the Gallardo.

V-10, 7 speed gearbox and 8300 rpm is a lovely combination :cool2:

Hello Gustav,

Don't worry. I know the videos were not fixed...

I was just trying to confirm Erik was there. This "fixed video" stuff is getting so old that I thought he could help putting "misconceptions" to rest. :thumb:

[Gustav]

Good, case closed. Eri kwas there and it sometiems see that Erik thinks diffrently than me, but je was never present in the cars.

In anycase it was nice of him helping organize the turnout. But some of his posts have not made it generally easier to tell what happend. :confused:

In anycase, now it is confirmed that the 6speedonlune was drivign with wrong settigns on a not run in car.

After that the did a re run after a few weeks and then it beated the 996 Turbo and could hanfg with a Gallardo. Case closed. :race:

[gjg]

ha ha, this is the root of the problem .... :D


nobody is saying the Gallardo is slower, but it ain't THAT faster on a straight line either. That's all.

so, at the same talk the wastly superior M5 ain't THAT faster than some other cars, correct?

:doh:

[Gustav]

Never said it was faster.

[alex_s3]

Originally posted by Gustav
Good, case closed. Eri kwas there and it sometiems see that Erik thinks diffrently than me, but je was never present in the cars.

In anycase it was nice of him helping organize the turnout. But some of his posts have not made it generally easier to tell what happend. :confused:

In anycase, now it is confirmed that the 6speedonlune was drivign with wrong settigns on a not run in car.

After that the did a re run after a few weeks and then it beated the 996 Turbo and could hanfg with a Gallardo. Case closed. :race:

Wow.. The M5 must be a very complicated car, when you orgenize a drag against another car and you still cant put it in the right "mode",, is it any chance at all you can race the M5 with full power on the street then??
I am glad I have Audi thats not so complicated like the M5.. What if your out on the street and want have drag and you loose because of the wrong mode.. hehehe..:harass: that must be annoying!

[exE46M3]

Well, if pressing a button on the steering wheel can be considered complicated, then yes, it is complicated...

Personally, I like the idea of having the option to customize all the major dynamics of the car to suit my mood - nobody needs S6 to drive around town.

[alex_s3]

hmm.. It seemes like its complicated when the driver cant push the button when its drag.. Or maybe it can be used as a excuse when the bimmer lose.. :rotflmao:

[kojack]

oh man talk about rigged videos....the first set of vids were spot on to what the M5 is really like.....not gustav's rigged ones....the one where the camera man is outside the car with both coming you can hear the gallardo floor it about half way down after starting and he still beats the M5 handily...yes the M5 is a great car but fast as lambo, not likely....

[Gustav]

Sorry kojack :confused: You still think they were rigged? In what way?

See the post by other particpants (incl Audi owners) that day:

http://www.m5board.com/articles.php?id=34&page=3


Originally posted by kojack
oh man talk about rigged videos....the first set of vids were spot on to what the M5 is really like.....not gustav's rigged ones....the one where the camera man is outside the car with both coming you can hear the gallardo floor it about half way down after starting and he still beats the M5 handily...yes the M5 is a great car but fast as lambo, not likely....

[7:53 RS6]

Just want to point ot that i was at this day at Lunda, me and my friends came whit E55 sedan , E55 Kombi wagon and a Porsche 997 Carrera S.

This day was the first time i meat Gustav and i have not seen or talked to him since then, what i try to say we meet this day but we dont relly know eachother.

But all Gustav is saying is what happend. This is absolutley not rigged in anyway.

This is my comment from the day at Lunda whriten a bit after the event.

"Gustav was kind to let me drive the new M5 and boy it was fast.
It feels lighter than it is and thats nice. The grip in the rear is very good even it has 507hp and rear driven. The SMG in fastest mode is crazy, its big bangs every time it change, I love that bang every time. As all M cars it is so easy to powersteear. The 997 S was suprisingly fast and keept up well, and is my choice. Its slower than M5 of course but than again funnier to drive, even on a straight line! We came in an E55 kombi wagon and E55 sedan and last the 997 Carrera S whit ceramic breakes. The M5 dident feel fast when driving it, but boy it is fast We in the E55s got spanked all time against the M5. One time we was 4 persons in M5 and my freind was alone in his sedan E55 and we were even after a long time. But in the end of the air field the M5 was winning by a car leghts. Thats strong of M5. Even my friends 510 hp techart porsche got passed by a tiny bit by M5. But my guess the are pretty even steven. We all that was at lunda take it for what it is, i mean the car that give gas first when rolling starts is geting away first. Its not 100% accurate. But the thing is that allmost every time the M5 came out as fastest of all the cars at lunda(not faster than the crazy Ruf) We did rolling starts from 20, 50 and 100 km/h"

[kojack]

is the magical m5 stock?

[Gustav]

Yes and why do you say it is magical.


Originally posted by kojack
is the magical m5 stock?

[kojack]

because every other M5 that I have ever seen will not come close to the cars your claiming to beat. Not the North american one anyways.

I have looked up stock for stock times

and the lambo is at least 1/2 a sec faster in the 1/4 than the M5....so I still call bs on the vids. thats the slowest lambo too...more were that were 1 to 1.2-5 secs faster in the 1/4

[Clio16V]

The M5 can do 0-200km/u in 13.5s
That's very hard to beat even for a Gallardo.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/ErikT595/AutoBild4.jpg

Another test:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/ErikT595/M5acceleration.jpg

[alex_s3]

okei.. It says 13.9 here?

[Gustav]

Where have you seen videos of american M5s?


Originally posted by kojack
because every other M5 that I have ever seen will not come close to the cars your claiming to beat. Not the North american one anyways.

I have looked up stock for stock times

and the lambo is at least 1/2 a sec faster in the 1/4 than the M5....so I still call bs on the vids. thats the slowest lambo too...more were that were 1 to 1.2-5 secs faster in the 1/4

[Clio16V]

@alex_s3,

In the the first one 13.5s (take a close look) against the 911, and in the other test 13.9s.
So that's a very good avarage.
The Gallardo did 15.4s in a test from the magazine Sportauto (07/2005)
And 13.3s in a test from the magazine Auto Zeitung (08/2005).

Sport Auto also tested the 520hp Gallardo in (11/2005) :

0 - 80 km/h 3,3 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,3 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,9 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 7,5 s
0 - 160 km/h 9,9 s
0 - 180 km/h 11,9 s
0 - 200 km/h 14,4 s

[Erik]

The new Gallardo has 520 hp :revs:

[kojack]

postings of times around the net of the 06 m5 from indipendant timers...the same place where I got the times for the gallardo....

[Clio16V]

The M5 can even beat a Ferrari F430 from 0-150mph (241.35km/u)

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7523/ac68wz.jpg

Personally i think the F430 could do better. 0-60 in 4.4s is a bad time for the F430

I found an old test from the Gallardo:

Test in Auto Bild Tuning 04/2004
0 - 80 km/h - s
0 - 100 km/h 4,5 s
0 - 120 km/h - s
0 - 130 km/h 6,5 s
0 - 140 km/h - s
0 - 160 km/h - s
0 - 180 km/h - s
0 - 200 km/h 13,8 s
0 - 250 km/h 23,0 s

So even at higher speeds the M5 and Gallardo will be close!
Strange to see that the 520hp Gallardo isn't really faster than the 500hp version. Maybe because of the shorter gear ratio's of the 520hp one.

[alex_s3]

wow.. som car test are bad.. Here does the F430 spider 0-100km/t in 4 seconds : http://www2.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8050 and not 0-96 in 4,4 sec.. so i dont think the test driver is so good.. I think the F430 beats the M5..

[kojack]

by the way the guys are talking the M5 takes out the enzo, F1, mclaren benz, and the blue flame salt drag car....

[alex_s3]

Hehe.. what is the 1/4mile time on the M5 ?

[Clio16V]

+/-12.5s

1/4 mile times (http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.php?make1=5&model1=111&op1=%3D&year1=2006&make2=59&model2=862&op2=%3D&year2=0&make3=-1&op3=%3D&year3=0&make4=-1&op4=%3D&year4=0&submitButtonName=Compare%21)

[Erik]

Audi RS6 times

http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.php?make1=4&model1=831&op1=%3D&year1=0&make2=4&model2=1243&op2=%3D&year2=0&make3=-1&op3=%3D&year3=0&make4=-1&op4=%3D&year4=0&submitButtonName=Compare%21

[Clio16V]

Also very fast :0:

[Clio16V]

Few cars on the 1/4 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4859207972457957977&q=M5)

[alex_s3]

I think the fastes stock RS6 did 12,6 ?? thats not far away from the M5 times..

[kojack]

ha ha ha...the M5 got owned by the E55...

as I knew it would.....

[Clio16V]

E55 not completely standard.
But indeed very fast.

I've seen a E55AMG doing <11s also not standard.