Rotors and Pads...who has had it done and at what mileage?

[Aronis]

Just trying to get an idea of what I should have expected.

I have 28,000 miles on the car and the brake pad warning light is on. I noticed that the pads were about 1/2 worn a few months ago and called to have the dealer look my car over since the rotors are very worn as well.

This is the first car I have had which needs new rotors!!!!!!!!! Pads at 50,000 has been typical for my cars, although my wife's Maxima need new pads all around at 12,000 miles....that was a surprise...

Anyway, who has had new brakes?

Mike

[eph94]

I've gone through three sets of pads (Pagid Blue, Black, and Grey) and my rotors will need to be replaced soon. My stock pads are about 1/2 down. The cracks on my rotors are starting to join and are working their way to the outer rim. One more track day and they'll be all done.

I'm at 21K miles... FUN miles. :incar:

Joe

[Aronis]

Pads:

Front: $361.08
Rear" $80.00

Rotors:

Front: $473 EACH
Rear $382 EACH

Not a huge price considering I paid $200 for pads for a 2003 Nissan Maxima!

But those rotors....wearing so quickly???

I am not sure if they are "In Spec", they may still be.

Mike

[Benman]

Originally posted by Aronis

But those rotors....wearing so quickly???

I am not sure if they are "In Spec", they may still be.
Mike
Hello there Aronis:cheers: ,

Had my pads replaced after @12K and also had the Rotors "resurfaced". The rotors did not need a full replacement. I would think that unless you really abuse your Beast (or do a lot of tracking) you shouldn't need new rotors just yet, but you never know.

As JJV-MA mentioned, he's at less miles than you, but he also tracks his Beast more than ANY other member here!:incar: :thumb:

I don't remember you mentioning if you tracked your Beast often but in my experience (6 track days, which is far less than JJV-MA's) pads have been the only thing so far that needed replacing although I will probably be needing new pads again soon (@31K).

Ben:addict:

[Aronis]

never tracked.

never raced.

Just regular commuting to work...

Yes, I suspect the 'resurfacing' will be all that is needed.

I am heading to the dealer on Monday for a quick looksee..

Mike

[Benman]

Originally posted by Aronis

I am heading to the dealer on Monday for a quick looksee..

Mike
Keep us posted.:thumb:

Ben:addict:

[RS6FEVR]

:cheers: Aronis
I had 29500 on the odo and my pads/rotors were pretty noisy unwarmed coming to a stop. Dealer did a service and replaced both the rotors and pads!! :dance: :dance:
Like butter again! Had just a couple laps at the track and then normal street stuff. 2 cross country jaunts.
Still love this car
:addict: FEVR :addict:

[Benman]

Originally posted by RS6FEVR
Still love this car

:addict: FEVR :addict:
FEVR:cheers:

One of the "Founding Fathers" returns! :D How are you?:thumb:

Ben:addict:

[RS6FEVR]

:cheers: Ben
Thanks and hello back to you (I think) from a "founding father"!!! :D As I stated, I still love this car, 31k and all. I've been around, just haven't had time to add anything really constructive. :rolleyes: Always have appreciated this forum (gave Erik a little donation to revamp the site) and really enjoy looking back at how much this site meant to me (and us) as our beasts were being built. Between IL where I drive and keep the RS and AZ where I drive my Vette, I am thankful for the opportunities I've been given. The posts from you and the rest of this board have been most helpful to me.
I'm around and glad to reply if any information ever needed.
Regards :thumb:
:addict: FEVR :addict:

[7:53 RS6]

Aronis, who is saying the rotors neead to change?
In what way are they whorn out? Do it feel strange or?so on.


In Sweden its sorry to say very common that Brand workshops like Audi, BMW and MB and more is telling their customers they must change rotors when they change pads. Often they just say the rotors are whorn down or out. And most take thier word for it, cuse they feel they trust the lokal audi or bmw shop or whatever. In this way they make much money in spare parts selling.
I cant say whats the case is whit you rotor, it may be gone or not .

But i would not listen to any of these guys, many times they have tried to fool me, but they quickley give upp when the undertand i know about things.

Its printed on the rotor how much its minimum allowens is, its very easy to check if above it or undet this tolerans. Just use(dont know the word in english) micrometer that you scru on the rotor to you get the exakt mesurments. Check this in the outer iner and mid sections of rotor.(or just below the outer edge)

You cant check it whit the other tool, it has to be micrometer to show exakt mm that is scrued on rotor( not the one you push to se the mm. If you are not under minimum allowens you are just fine.

# to use of just 0,1 mm of a rotor takes time or hard driving, its hard material.
At the ring i drove 2000km on the track for 14 days in my CSL and it hardly come down anything even having race carbo pads on.
The singel pistons caliper on CSL tends to were out more on the outer and iner on the rotor, im not sure this is the case whit the RS6 8 piston caliper#

[Benman]

Originally posted by RS6FEVR
I've been around, just haven't had time to add anything really constructive. :rolleyes:
As if I do! :D I just type to hear myself speak... so to speak.:p


Originally posted by 8:05 RS6
Often they just say the rotors are whorn down or out. And most take thier word for it, cuse they feel they trust the lokal audi or bmw shop or whatever. In this way they make much money in spare parts selling.
There's some truth to that. Especially when the stealer (as gjg likes to call them:D ), knows that AOA is flipping the bill. That way, since there is no cost out of pocket to the customer, they are more easily convinced. But as Gote mentions, there are ways to measure so you can know if the dealer is being honest or not.:thumb:

Ben:addict:

[BBGT2]

Originally posted by Benman
Hello there Aronis:cheers: ,

Had my pads replaced after @12K and also had the Rotors "resurfaced". The rotors did not need a full replacement. I

Ben:addict:


Ben,

The dealer actually resurfaced your rotors????? Are they sick or something that is a big NO NO, on these types of rotors. My dealer will not resurface rotors I know because I had a whole bunch of problems with my S8 with squealing and even though they REPLACED the rotors once in the front and once in the back, I remember the service manager said they are not allowed by Audi to resurface.

Bajo:addict:

[gjg]

Originally posted by Bajors6
dealer actually resurfaced your rotors????? Are they sick or something that is a big NO NO, on these types of rotors. My dealer will not resurface rotors ...

Bajo, what is the problem with resurfacing rotors?

I'd partially understand why Audi may not want to do that for some "legal" reasons, dealer's reasons are obvious.

[Aronis]

I'll post some pictures.

I also wanted to measure the thickness, but did not have a chance yet.....

Tonight I pull a wheel off and check it out.

I just don't have any experience with a rotor wearing like this!

It's probably still "In Spec".....

Mike

[Aronis]

here are the specs....


a' measuring I shall go.....

[BBGT2]

Originally posted by gjg
Bajo, what is the problem with resurfacing rotors?

I'd partially understand why Audi may not want to do that for some "legal" reasons, dealer's reasons are obvious.

Legal reason's there isnt any, I was told that Audi does not allow the resurfacing of any rotor that has that type of braking package as warping will occur. Cross drilled rotors should NOT be put on a brake lathe. Due to the fact they will get the cooling cross drilled holes damaged and plugged.
If they are within spec they can be reused, if they are damaged, ie warped they have to be replaced.
Ben, are you sure they reusrfaced them I cannot believe that, sometimes their brake package on a R.O just states that as a part of a generic description for what they did, if they did reusrface them, I am amazed that they are OK. Either way you have warranty so if an issue should arise you are covered.
Being in the auto repair business and having worked for dealers, this wa just the practice we would follow. I personally do not like "turning" rotors unless they are on a Ford Crown Victoria or the like. The rotors we have on our car's are a different breed and design. Believe whom you want , but this is not soemthing I would like to play around with.
I am out of town for the rest of the week, all of you guys have a great week and weekend, Aronis good luck to you and your brakes.
Bajo:addict: :mech:

[Benman]

Originally posted by Bajors6
Ben,

The dealer actually resurfaced your rotors????? Are they sick or something.
Sick, no. Crazy, maybe...crazy like a FOX!:hahahehe:

I can't really understand why a dealer wouldn't resurface, other than socking AOA with a bigger bill by replacing the rotors! What's wrong with grinding off the build up from the defective first set of pads I had on there? A mild resurface was all it needed in my car's case, not replacement rotors. In other owners cases, I'm sure there might be different needs, but in mine, it was all it took, that with a new set of pads and the brakes were better than ever.

Even the brake "squeal" that a lot of us owners complain about was (and still is) much better.:thumb: :cheers:

Ben:addict:

[Benman]

Originally posted by Bajors6

Ben, are you sure they reusrfaced them...
Yes Sir, saw the fresh grind marks myself. As above, just a mild resurfacing, and brakes are well within spec.:thumb:

Ben:addict:

[Aronis]

here is a quick pic from my old digital camera....the good one is at home....

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by Aronis
I'll post some pictures.

I also wanted to measure the thickness, but did not have a chance yet.....

Tonight I pull a wheel off and check it out.

I just don't have any experience with a rotor wearing like this!

It's probably still "In Spec".....

Mike

Remember to compare to the minimum mm tolerans.
It has nothing to do whit the new mm as this posted print shows.

Minumum mm is printed on the rotors hub so to speak, just take of wheel and you will see it on the hub.
I drove my RS6 even under this minimum tolerans and no problems. Well rotors got relly hot due to the lack of material in them. But if you go under you have to be reminded that things can happen. But their is for sure a safty mm extra even going under minimum allowens. If you drive hard and abuseiv i would never go under this mm, but if gentel its ok, but order new.
I see the pic of you rotor and it looks ok, they look fine. But its hard to see the mm thickness.
Did some one say they are gone or how was it? Do you feel somthing in them?

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by 8:05 RS6
Remember to compare to the minimum mm tolerans.
It has nothing to do whit the new mm as this posted print shows.

Minumum mm is printed on the rotors hub so to speak, just take of wheel and you will see it on the hub.
I drove my RS6 even under this minimum tolerans and no problems. Well rotors got relly hot due to the lack of material in them. But if you go under you have to be reminded that things can happen. But their is for sure a safty mm extra even going under minimum allowens. If you drive hard and abuseiv i would never go under this mm, but if gentel its ok, but order new.
I see the pic of you rotor and it looks ok, they look fine. But its hard to see the mm thickness.
Did some one say they are gone or how was it? Do you feel somthing in them?

By the way its no stress crack in your rotors. This is common when driving hard, stress cracks around the drilled holes are no worries, but a big crack in the rotor is as we all know .:nono:

MB is so tierd of all complaints of stress cracks in the drilled rotors on ex E55, SL55 and others. They are in the comming modell changin to superior satelit slotted pattern and no drilled holes.

At least it was on all MB industripoole testcars on the ring. And i know MB is feed up chaing all rotors on E55, SL55. The RS6 rotor dont get stress kracks so easy as E55/SL55 does:thumb:

[Aronis]

just measured one front rotor.

It is 1.289 in, or 32.741 mm which is .741 mm within the spec!

So I guess I just need pads...:)

Mike

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by Aronis
just measured one front rotor.

It is 1.289 in, or 32.741 mm which is .741 mm within the spec!

So I guess I just need pads...:)

Mike

Was it Audi that tryed to rip you of :( If so as i said im not suprised.


:cheers:

[Aronis]

No rip off, they have not even looked at the car yet.

And, the rotor/pads are covered under warrantee.

So there is no Ripping Off going on, as far as I can see.

If the ROTORS are in spec, and don't need to be changed, I'd love to do the pads myself.....it'd be fun.

Mike

[7:53 RS6]

ahh its me getting it wrong. As i read your first post i got the impression some one told you the rotors was gone.
Well god luck any way.
The pad change is tryley easy:addict:

[Aronis]

Brakes check at dealer.

Rotors are in spec still, as I thought after measuring them with a caliper.

They said they will sand down the "Rust Lip" If I recall correctly what he called it. But the rotors are good for many more miles and SMILES...LOL....

Another thing I noticed in the Service Schedule..

35,000 mile service is for 35,000 or one year from last service!!!! So you can get the 35,000 mile service early at no charge. This one is extensive....

By the way WINDSHIELD WIPERS ARE COVERED TOO.....dam I bought a set two months ago. LOL...the old ones are going back on in December when I head in for service date LOL

Mike

[gjg]

Originally posted by Aronis
35,000 mile service is for 35,000 or one year from last service!!!! So you can get the 35,000 mile service early at no charge. This one is extensive....

this is BS - you do not want to do this service unless you have the miles on. Not sure who was that "bright" :doh: mind writing US service manual like this.

There is nothing to that extend in Euro manual - you rack up the mileage, get it done, not after one year.

:idea:

[gjg]

btw wipers are, as many other items, not covered in Europe and if you guys think you're being taken to the cleaners rest assured that stealers on this side of the pond are even worse.

Got invoice for "wiper blade replacement", each rubber piece $11 and "labor" for replacing them "only" $42 - this did not include 19% VAT.

Not bad, huh? :vgrumpy:

First response from the place was - "well, sir, this car is very expensive and it has to have good maintenance ...."

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by gjg
btw wipers are, as many other items, not covered in Europe and if you guys think you're being taken to the cleaners rest assured that stealers on this side of the pond are even worse.

Got invoice for "wiper blade replacement", each rubber piece $11 and "labor" for replacing them "only" $42 - this did not include 19% VAT.

Not bad, huh? :vgrumpy:

First response from the place was - "well, sir, this car is very expensive and it has to have good maintenance ...." :D :D :D :applause:

[Aronis]

Originally posted by gjg
this is BS - you do not want to do this service unless you have the miles on. Not sure who was that "bright" :doh: mind writing US service manual like this.

There is nothing to that extend in Euro manual - you rack up the mileage, get it done, not after one year.

:idea:

Actually I disagree.

Timing is EVERYTHING! and since I need new brake pads, and have to make the trip at 28,000 miles(more like 30,000 by dec), I can have the full 35,000 service done at a time that is CONVENIENT TO ME! NOT THEM! Certainly doing this service early is no detriment to the car! New plugs, new oil/filter, air filter, timing belts etc.......in fact 5 or 6,000 miles early is better than 5 or 6 later!

Mike

[gjg]

well, I've forgot you have a looong drive to get a service .... :blush:

[Aronis]

No Problem!!!!!!!!

They have an RS6 on sight which was recked by a parking lot attendant at the Albany Airport!!!!!!!!

The owner, bought a new one, but the insurance co wants to repair the 38,000 in damages.

The engine was out of the car.

I did not have my camera with me! Would have been some nice pics!

Mike

[oce]

Just hit 17K and had my brakes replaced. you might want to know that if the brakes are worn to low, audi will not replace them under warranty. forgot the wear level for this, but its pretty low.

my new pads were 100% free, and the turned the rotors as well. never braked better.

according to the service mngr, free brakes for warranty, and one free "comfort" brake change, if they just don't feel right.

[Aronis]

Originally posted by oce
Just hit 17K and had my brakes replaced. you might want to know that if the brakes are worn to low, audi will not replace them under warranty. forgot the wear level for this, but its pretty low.

my new pads were 100% free, and the turned the rotors as well. never braked better.

according to the service mngr, free brakes for warranty, and one free "comfort" brake change, if they just don't feel right.

That is BS.

I asked about that issue of the brakes being TOO WORN....and the rotors also.

They had NO LIMITS on how far gone they can be......NONE.....

The only limit is if they are WORN ENOUGH to need replacement.

My rotors were within spec, but if I wanted they would replace them underwarrantee.

My brakes are 1/2 and they are still replacing them under warrantee.

It is completely unreasonable for a warrantee to be void if the pads are WORN below the USABLE life, that makes no sense at all.

Mike

[oce]

Originally posted by Aronis
That is BS.

I asked about that issue of the brakes being TOO WORN....and the rotors also.

They had NO LIMITS on how far gone they can be......NONE.....

The only limit is if they are WORN ENOUGH to need replacement.

My rotors were within spec, but if I wanted they would replace them underwarrantee.

My brakes are 1/2 and they are still replacing them under warrantee.

It is completely unreasonable for a warrantee to be void if the pads are WORN below the USABLE life, that makes no sense at all.

Mike


It may be BS, I will not argue, but give your Audi concierge a call and have them send you a copy of your warranty statement. If your burn your brakes, they won't replace.

However, i can't imagine that ever happening, my RS6 tech changed mine before the light ever came on.