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Erik
May 4th, 2005, 12:12
I think BMW and others will have to hurry to fill this "gap" in the market :lovl:

The Audi LeMans quattro will become reality and is approved for production!

Looks will be similar to the show car, but it will get the high-rev V8 from the Audi RS4.

Makes sense since they want to mass produce the engine, and at the same time not compete with the V10 from the Gallardo.

When can I drive one... :love2:



Specification mentioned earlier:

4.2 liter V8-Motor FSI
380 hp / 410 Nm (more now!)
Ceramic Brakes
6 speed e-gear or manual
DSG / Magnetic Ride Control
235/35 ZR 19 front, 295/30 ZR 19 rear
1450 kg


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Magnetic-Ride Control.

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jonas_dg
May 4th, 2005, 15:16
:wo:

Iceman
May 4th, 2005, 17:30
Originally posted by Erik
Specification mentioned earlier:

4.2 liter V8-Motor FSI
380 hp / 410 Nm (more now!)
Ceramic Brakes
6 speed e-gear or manual
DSG / Magnetic Ride Control
235/35 ZR 19 front, 295/30 ZR 19 rear
1450 kg


Sorry Erik,

But the Audi S9 (LeMans Quattro) wil have the same power 420 bhp like the RS4 "not" 380 bhp and 430 Nm torque and "not" 410 Nm.

wfg, Hans.

Benman
May 4th, 2005, 17:46
Am I the only one "dissappointed" with that engine for this car?

I mean, the engine is major cool for the RS 4, but for the Le Mans? Why will the first EVER Super Car from Audi debut with LESS power than My RS 6 "family car"? Why not AT LEAST give it that much power?:vhmmm:

I just don't get it. It will only weight 200 or 300 LBS less than the RS 4 and have the same power. Yes, it will have better dynamics and put down better lap times. Yes it will look cooler. But it will ALSO sacrifice ALL the practicality of the RS 4. And to go mainstream? With THIS car? :vhmmm: I guess I'm the only one, but to "celebrate" the "THREE PEAT" hat trick of Le Mans wins (with a car that BTW HAD a TT V8!!!!!) with a lower powered car than the RS 6 just doesn't appeal to me. Just my 2 pennies but I'd take the RS 4, save the ohh... $25K!!!! and get ALL the practicality too BOOT!:D

Ben:addict: (just me I guess?)

Erik
May 4th, 2005, 19:04
Originally posted by Iceman
Sorry Erik,
But the Audi S9 (LeMans Quattro) wil have the same power 420 bhp like the RS4 "not" 380 bhp and 430 Nm torque and "not" 410 Nm.

I know. That's why I wrote "earlier" ;)

Ben, Power is not everything. Laptimes are more important ;)
Have a look at the target weight.

Benman
May 4th, 2005, 19:28
Originally posted by Erik

Have a look at the target weight.
Key word: "Target". All said and done it will probably weight 3300+LBS ("target" is 3200) or 300LBS lighter than the RS 4 with the SAME power. Better dynamics with non of the practicality was my point. Please Audi, give this BEAST the engine it DESERVES!

Ben:addict:

gnomik007
May 4th, 2005, 23:16
Originally posted by Benman
Am I the only one "dissappointed" with that engine for this car?

I mean, the engine is major cool for the RS 4, but for the Le Mans? Why will the first EVER Super Car from Audi debut with LESS power than My RS 6 "family car"? Why not AT LEAST give it that much power?:vhmmm:

I just don't get it. It will only weight 200 or 300 LBS less than the RS 4 and have the same power. Yes, it will have better dynamics and put down better lap times. Yes it will look cooler. But it will ALSO sacrifice ALL the practicality of the RS 4. And to go mainstream? With THIS car? :vhmmm: I guess I'm the only one, but to "celebrate" the "THREE PEAT" hat trick of Le Mans wins (with a car that BTW HAD a TT V8!!!!!) with a lower powered car than the RS 6 just doesn't appeal to me. Just my 2 pennies but I'd take the RS 4, save the ohh... $25K!!!! and get ALL the practicality too BOOT!:D

Ben:addict: (just me I guess?)




I totaly agree,why not make the engine just a bit more exciting and powerful:confused:

Iceman
May 5th, 2005, 00:39
Originally posted by Erik
I know. That's why I wrote "earlier" ;)
:doh: :doh:



In a later stadium there will be a RS9 (LeMans Quattro) with a remoured 4.2-liter V8 FSI Bi-turbo and ±550 bhp.
There is also a rumour that the S9/RS9 will not get a V10 engine becorse of unwanted competition with the Lamborghini Gallardo.

wfg, Hans.

Benman
May 5th, 2005, 01:24
Originally posted by gnomik007
I totaly agree,why not make the engine just a bit more exciting and powerful:confused:
Yes, I am NOT alone!:D

"In a later stadium there will be a RS9 (LeMans Quattro) with a remoured 4.2-liter V8 FSI Bi-turbo and ±550 bhp.
There is also a rumour that the S9/RS9 will not get a V10 engine becorse of unwanted competition with the Lamborghini Gallardo.

wfg, Hans."

Why do this? Why "cheapen" the car by introducing a "weak" version and then bringing out a "RS" version? This is not an A4, A6, this is the friggin FLAGSHIP!:vgrumpy:

Why not just make it RSR and that is that! Just give it the TT V8 (like the REAL prototype) and TRUELY celerbrate the THREE PEAT. To say that "we don't want to infringe on Lambo's territory" and THEN introduce a 550 HP TT V8 LATER, IS to "intrude" on Lambo's territory!:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

Why can't I just be more reasonable? I'm done now.

Ben:addict: RS 4> "Le Mans"

Iceman
May 5th, 2005, 12:13
A quick and simple Photoshop of mine idea of how the "Audi S9 4.2 FSI" will look like.

http://img120.echo.cx/img120/7508/audis942fsi8ck.jpg

wfg, Hans.

5000S old skool
May 5th, 2005, 13:55
Originally posted by Benman
Am I the only one "dissappointed" with that engine for this car?

I mean, the engine is major cool for the RS 4, but for the Le Mans? Why will the first EVER Super Car from Audi debut with LESS power than My RS 6 "family car"? Why not AT LEAST give it that much power?:vhmmm:

I just don't get it. It will only weight 200 or 300 LBS less than the RS 4 and have the same power. Yes, it will have better dynamics and put down better lap times. Yes it will look cooler. But it will ALSO sacrifice ALL the practicality of the RS 4. And to go mainstream? With THIS car? :vhmmm: I guess I'm the only one, but to "celebrate" the "THREE PEAT" hat trick of Le Mans wins (with a car that BTW HAD a TT V8!!!!!) with a lower powered car than the RS 6 just doesn't appeal to me. Just my 2 pennies but I'd take the RS 4, save the ohh... $25K!!!! and get ALL the practicality too BOOT!:D

Ben:addict: (just me I guess?)

Im with you on this one Ben, I was expecting 4.2 Biturbo with at least 490bhp, or a V10 with 520bhp... or maybe even V10 Bi-turbo

tailpipe
May 5th, 2005, 15:00
RS9 production specifications have not been finalised. Expect range to get three engine choices. Launch engine is 4.2 litre FSI V8 from RS4 but final power specification is undecided - it is unlikely to be more than 420 bhp in NA form. Second engine could be the bi-turbo version of the FSI 4.2 developing around 500 bhp or a naturally aspirated V-10 5.2 litre lump. Flagship model will have same engine as next RS6: bi-turbo V-10 5.2 litres developing 600 bhp. Truth is Audi hasn't finally decided which engine and when. Engine discussion is somewhat irrelevant at this stage, because whatever option this car has it will be a fantastic machine. I am hoping it'll crack 0-100 kph in under 4 seconds and top 300 kph. DSG box should be great, if its the same as in Bugatti Veyron.

Erik
May 6th, 2005, 12:04
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/56524/audi_supercar_gets_goahead.html

Audi Supercar Gets Go-ahead


he wildest-looking sports car Audi has ever developed is under starter's orders. Unveiled at the 2003 Frankfurt Motor Show, the sensational Le Mans concept has finally been given the green light by company bosses.

Based on the all-wheel-drive Lamborghini Gallardo platform, the new supercoupé is expected to offer a choice of two powerplants when it goes on sale late next year.

The first is a development of the V8 fitted to the new RS4, while the second is a new evolution of the Audi V10 already used by the Gallardo. At the launch of the concept, there was talk that a diesel could also be built, but bosses have since ruled this out as being unsuitable. Prices for the range have still to be discussed, but the high-performance engine and aluminium chassis of the Le Mans are unlikely to come cheap. Cars are expected to cost at least £60,000.

Iceman
May 9th, 2005, 18:13
Audi's 444 bhp 6.0-liter W12 engine is also possible for the S9 Le Mans.
Pistonheads article. (http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?storyid=10580)
The RS9 Le Mans can then get the 550 bhp W12 Bi-Turbo.

wfg, Hans.

Nordschleife
May 10th, 2005, 09:37
Originally posted by Iceman
Audi's 444 bhp 6.0-liter W12 engine is also possible for the S9 Le Mans.
Pistonheads article. (http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?storyid=10580)
The RS9 Le Mans can then get the 550 bhp W12 Bi-Turbo.

wfg, Hans.

not if they want it to fly! (with apologies to Lenny Henry)

Kent J
May 10th, 2005, 13:44
AMS writes about V10 and V8 in the Audi R9 (not S9 or LeMans).

Top version: V10, 450hp
Entry version V8, unknown.

http://www.automotorundsport.de/d/82331

Iceman
May 10th, 2005, 17:38
Originally posted by Kent J
AMS writes about V10 and V8 in the Audi R9 (not S9 or LeMans).

Top version: V10, 450hp
Entry version V8, unknown.

http://www.automotorundsport.de/d/82331

AMS have it wrong most of the time and R9 is not a Audi typology/characterization like A9, S9 and RS9.
And why put a heavy 450 hp tunedown V10 engine in it while you have a lighter 420 hp V8 FSI.
The base V8 engine will be the new 345 hp 4.2 FSI engine.

wfg, Hans.

Benman
May 10th, 2005, 18:50
Originally posted by Iceman

The base V8 engine will be the new 345 hp 4.2 FSI engine.

wfg, Hans.
WHAT?!?!? Now this car might be available with an engine that makes LESS than 400HP?!? PLEASE Audi, DON'T make this car "affordable" with entry level versions, even if that means taking it out of the price range for some of us. This car should NOT be a "everymans" car. It should be an aspirational model that all of us could wish we had (with the few lucky ones owning it).

It's bad enough they'll give it a entry 420 V8, now a SUB 400HP? I'm dissapointed. Next thing you know, Ferrari will come out with a Six Banger for the Modena so people like me can afford THOSE cars too...:(

Ben:addict:

RXBG
May 10th, 2005, 19:16
R9 is actually the name of the next LMP 1 prototype audisport will introduce in the 2006 lemans circuit. rumor is it will have a V10 FSI with a brand new technology never before seen (a la FSI)...

currently under development.

i maintain it shall be named A9 or RSR as the le mans name is apparently a rights issue...

Iceman
May 10th, 2005, 20:53
Originally posted by RXBG
i maintain it shall be named A9 or RSR as the le mans name is apparently a rights issue...
If you take a look at the Audi typology then the "A"=Standard, "S"=Sport and "RS"=Race Sport.
The production version of the Le Mans Quattro will never called A9 becorse it is a sportcar therefore it will be something like S9=Sport 9, RS9=Race Sport 9, or what i think most probably RSQ=Race Sport Quattro.

wfg, Hans.

kujo
May 11th, 2005, 08:37
Yes Please !!!!!!

I'll take one :incar:

kj

mr
May 11th, 2005, 17:12
well gentlemen,

on gmx.net they posted "new infos" according to "manager - magazin.de"

well they mention there that it should have 500 - 600 HP taken form Biturbo FSI - Engine.

link to gmx (http://www.gmx.net/de/themen/motor/technik/news/980466,cc=000000159100009804661JyYGV.html)
(sorry just in german)

hmm ......... well ..... I don't think that that info is very credible.

I do hope that it get's more HP than the RS .... but ..... 500 - 600 HP sounds unrealistic - what do you think???



translated text (translated by google language tools)
News
11.05.2005
In co-operation also Gentlemen, start your engines!
Ingolstadt - the Volkswagen daughter AUDI wants to bring in the year the presented supersports car study Le Mans at the beginning of of 2007 to 2003 as R9 on the market. The car is to be built in the manufactoring plant Neckarsulm, said the chairman of the board Martin Winterkorn for the magazine "Auto Motor und Sport".Probably shown on the IAA in Frankfurt, where two years ago already the driving-finished study Le Mans had been demonstrated and gotten much attention.


On basis of the Lamborghini supercar Gallardo AUDI had built the Le Mans higher and longer than the template . Width and above all design of the body with originally of AUDI developed and in the luxury car A8 assigned aluminum framework for the first time named space Frame were however both cars commonly.

Also the central engine of the AUDI was the ten-cylinder taken over by the Lamborghini, which was only brought by gasoline direct injection and Biturbo loading of 500 to 610 HP.

Also the standard model announced now will follow according to statement of Winterkorn similarly strongly the Lamborghini basis, even if no details are given yet.

That AUDI can avail itself with first application of a platform strategy with a supersports car so uninhibited with Lamborghini around its own competition model to Ferrari Enzo, Porsche GT and Mercedes SLR to build has to do with the structure of the Volkswagen company:

Lamborghini belongs to the sporty company section, which is led as group of marks AUDI and which the AUDI also has the leadership.

AUDI had it thereby substantially more simply than the mark VOLKSWAGEN. In the course of the luxury strategy of the former Volkswagen boss Ferdinand Pieech VOLKSWAGEN had developed its own supersports car with the internal W12 twelve-cylinder engine.

600 HP strong and over 300 km/h fast and like the Le Mans Volkswagen supersports cars Nardo designated after a racing course should have been built 2004 in a small series for 150 copies and from the product planning was finally dropped because the costs were guessed/advised too highly and the positioning of VOLKSWAGEN as luxury mark was threatend to fail

The group of marks VOLKSWAGEN concentrated therefore on the Bugatti Veyron, a 1001-hp and 400-kph - car, which are settled above the already elitare supersports cars still and whose development was afflicted with so substantial problems long time that it threatened to fail several times.

RXBG
May 11th, 2005, 17:19
what?


what's a greedy throat :vhmmm:

mr
May 11th, 2005, 17:20
ähm ... sorry should have read through what the translator gave back!!!

will look through the text when got more time!!!

sorry for the bad translation!!!

Iceman
May 14th, 2005, 22:59
The latest engine news of the production Le Mans is that it will have two engines.
A tunedown RS4 4.2-liter FSI V8 engine with 390 bhp.
And a new tunedown 5.2-liter FSI V10 engine with 450 bhp.
I see not the point of these two engines, why tune them down.
If you re-chip the ECU of the RS4 engine you will get ± 441 bhp.

wfg, Hans.

Toto89
August 21st, 2005, 12:53
Le Mans looks great,hope R9 will look like Le Mans.
I would suggest three engines for it:

4,2 V8 FSI-~380hp(detuned RS4 engine)
-under Gallardo.
~5,0 V10 FSI or 4,2 V8 FSI Bi-turbo~450-500hp-against Gallardo.
5,2 or 5,5 FSI Bi-turbo-610 hp-above Gallardo and everything:D

Benman
August 22nd, 2005, 16:58
Originally posted by Iceman

I see not the point of these two engines, why tune them down.
If you re-chip the ECU of the RS4 engine you will get ± 441 bhp.

wfg, Hans.
I agree, this car should have MORE HP than either RS 4 OR RS 6, NOT less!:( It should be an aspirational vehicle.

Ben:addict:

Toto89
August 26th, 2005, 14:41
If the new R9 will have 420 hp...I did some
calculations!
The 1450kg-420hp R9 will have 3,45 kg/hp-it is better than BMW M5's 3,6kg/hp and AUDI RS4's 3,93kg/hp and almost as good as Gallardo's 3,2kg/hp.
I also hope that it will have a more powerful version with 600hp and in this case it will have only2,37kg/hp:thumb:

:rs4addict :addict:

gnomik007
August 26th, 2005, 14:47
I think 550-600 hp R9 is a must 4 Audi



PLZ:bow: Audi MAKE IT

Qriouz
August 26th, 2005, 17:54
You can only hope that they would put 550-600 hp in that thing. It is a really good looking car so with that engine it would be a top supercar....:0:

clam
September 5th, 2005, 03:54
I think you guys are missing the point of the A9. It competes with the basic 911, not the 911 Turbo, and certainly not Lamborghini or Ferrari.
It's a daily driver. So the engine has to be practical (fuel economy, reliability, torque curve, etc...). Not a lot of people want a 500hp car. It's a limited market. I think Gallardos sell at about 400/year. Audi wants to build between 5.000 and 10.000 A9s per year. That's not gonna happen with an unpractical car aimed at a small enthusiast market. Most people will not sacrifice practicallity for a couple of seconds on the 'ring. And for those that do wants those seconds, or the high performance image, there are the RS-models.

Why would a base-model V8 with only 400hp 'weaken' the image? Porsche doesn't seem to have a lot of image problems, despite the 330hp. You guys are such horsepower-whores. You think people will point and laugh at you in your A9, saying "haha, the base model of the car you are driving has only 400hp"?
Isn't the base model of the RS6 something like a 115hp 1.9TDi? It didn't seem to suffer much from that.

Iceman
September 5th, 2005, 07:06
Originally posted by clam
It's a daily driver. So the engine has to be practical (fuel economy, reliability, torque curve, etc...).
Thats why Audi CEO Dr Martin Winterkorn whants to put in the 6.0 litre W12 engine with 450 hp and 580 Nm of torque.

http://www.manager-magazin.de/img/0,1020,310457,00.jpg

wfg, Hans.

Benman
September 6th, 2005, 17:20
Originally posted by clam
You guys are such horsepower-whores.
My name is Ben and I... I am a horsepower whore... there... I've said it. Now the healing can begin.

Ben:addict: :rs6kiss:

KiwiRS4
September 10th, 2005, 01:02
Couldnt help myself. Went into CCS here in NZ and told the Sales Manager to start a buyers list for the R9/LMQ and I am on top of the list. :0:

Have got my RS4 Sedan coming in the new year and will keep that till the LMQ arrives. :wo: :wo:

Cheers

Ned

Benman
September 10th, 2005, 02:08
Top of the list for the Audi Le Mans and got the RS 4 on the way. Not all too shabby collection of vehicles for you to be driving in the next few years.:thumb:

Ben:addict:

KiwiRS4
September 10th, 2005, 04:12
Should also add that I am already on my second S4. Passed over the new build latest S4 for the RS4. Had it already on the water on the way here when I found out about the new RS4 so told CCS to just go ahead and sell it.

It was black outside, red leather interior with tinted windows. Only spent a couple of days on the CCS lot before it was snapped up.

Ned

RXBG
September 10th, 2005, 20:41
it must be a matter of good timing and/or more money that you can do both.

here in the USA i was first in line for an RS4. i went to geneva to find out it would be watered down and arrive april/may 2006.

then i found out the R9 would go into production only a few more months after the USA-bound RS4. i couldn't justify holding on to my 4 year old TT so much longer only to buy an RS4 that i would drive for maybe a year before i bought my R9. since i am a one car guy and can't afford both i went for a 2006 S4.

i know the US bound R9 probably won't arrive until late CY 2007. making that about 20 months from now, but i can certainly live with my :s4addict:

lucky you....i guess NZ gets its cars before the USA? :eye:

KiwiRS4
September 11th, 2005, 01:39
NZ gets them around the same time as UK because we are both right hand drive. Audi has a big marketshare here and is getting bigger all the time.

I got stuffed around by the importer when I got my first S4 and am getting the run around with them at the moment with the RS4.

The car is supposed to be here late Dec, early Jan and at this stage, second week of Sept they still dont have a confirmed price for it and when it will actually be here. I have decided that if they cant get their act together within the next ten days then I am cancelling the RS4 and will just keep the S4 I have now until the R9/LMQ gets here.

Its their loss, not mine.

Ned

RXBG
September 11th, 2005, 05:37
hope you have better luck than me! the R9 will be so spectacular even the RS4 will pale in comparison anyway....

but who wouldn't rather have an RS4 until then:love:

gjg
September 11th, 2005, 09:58
Originally posted by Ben
and I... I am a horsepower whore... there... I've said it.

me too .... me too .... by 30 hp ..... :brag: :bye2:

:rs6kiss:

Benman
September 12th, 2005, 16:16
Originally posted by gjg
me too .... me too .... by 30 hp ..... :brag: :bye2:

:rs6kiss:
Never could pass up the rubb'n it in. Nothing like kicking a guy while he's down...:D

Ben:addict: :rs6kiss:

gjg
September 12th, 2005, 17:36
Originally posted by Ben

Never could pass up the rubb'n it in. Nothing like kicking a guy while he's down...

did I mention the seats .... I mean the REAL seats ... I mean the RECARO seats .... yet?

:harass: :harass: :harass:

maybe its time once again .....

Benman
September 12th, 2005, 22:55
Originally posted by gjg
did I mention the seats .... I mean the REAL seats ... I mean the RECARO seats .... yet?

:harass: :harass: :harass:

maybe its time once again .....
Don't MAKE me use the tilt down mirror and seat memory jibe!:D

Ben:addict:

Kappe
November 10th, 2005, 11:12
Is this gonna be a normal production car? Like al the A series? (heard about A9 or something) Than I could live with a entry level V8 4.2L Fsi with 420BHP. It would be lighter and more airodynamic than the RS4, so maybe a 0 to 100 Km/h in 4.5 sec. And a topspeed of +-300Km/h (if it's not limited, becaus a 911 turbo goos 4.2sec and 310 Km/h so..)
And audi would defenetly make a S or/and a RS version of it.
Choice of engines.. 4.2L (fsi) biturbo 450 to 500 BHP, or the V10 (biturbo) from 450 to 600 BHP.. (the V10 non turbo already exist with a 525BHP version in the gallardo, and there is a V10 Biturbo in the audi concept with 610BHP)

The future wil let us know :) I just hope they will make a 610BHP RS version to compete with ferrari, pagani, porsche, lamborghini and mercedes

Finnus
November 10th, 2005, 18:31
I'm with Ben on the HP issue and I understand Audi wants to sell a lot of these and using an existing engine will shorten development/production time.

BUT ... do you really think that someone who wants and can afford a Lambo is going to settle for an Audi?

Finnus
:addict:

Kappe
November 10th, 2005, 18:43
Originally posted by Finnus

BUT ... do you really think that someone who wants and can afford a Lambo is going to settle for an Audi?

Finnus
:addict:

Yeah why not? The mercedes SLR and Porsche Carrera GT are also very different cars in the same price range..

And I think The audi is gonna be less expensive than a Lambo tbh

tailpipe
November 10th, 2005, 19:29
Hi Kappe,

(Like your posts a lot by the way)

I think Finnus has a point about the R9 overlapping with the Lamborghini Gallardo.

In the UK the Gallardo costs £115,000. If the Audi R9 costs the same or just a little less, brand snobs will probably go for the Gallardo instead. Moreover, you've got the excellent new Porsche 911 and Aston MArtin V8 Vantage out there too. The Porsche comes in under £70,000 while the Aston is around £80,000.

Given that Audi doesn't have a track record in supercars yet, it will need to sell at a price point below these models and well under the Gallardo's sticker price. Personally, i think the R9 has to sell at around £59,000. And that's the one with the V10.

Two other problems:

1. If the market says that the R9 is just a cheap Gallardo, Audi will cannibalise the Gallardo. Which would be a pity, because it has done well with this car. As it is, the Gallardo cannibalises the Murcielago. So R9 probably has to be quite different in spec as well as appearance and pricing.

2. The new Porsche Cayman is changing the rules for everyone. It really is that good. Porsche decided not to fit a limited slip differential to it, because if it had one then it would lap the Ring faster than a 911. Everyone realises that the Cayman chassis which is mid-rear not rear engined is much better than the agricultural and antiquated 911's.

We will see a high performance Cayman that eclipses the 911. The only question is when. Of course, if a £40,000 Cayman blitzes a 911, it will also give the Aston Martin V8 something to think about. (IMHO only a fool wants to pay £80,000 for a car that isn't much more than a Lotus Elise with an Aston badge stuck on it.) The Cayman will also make people question the wisdom of paying a high price for the R9.

What we're really seeing here is the top end of the market becoming as competitive as the lower end. All of this may be irrelevant, because, if you believe the doom and gloom merchants, we may only have 15 years worth of petrol left.

Kappe
November 10th, 2005, 19:47
Don't forget audi owns Lamborgini..

I think you cant mach it with a gallardo, becaus its gonna be way better than that :D trust me.
If it's gonna be a normal A brand from audi it woudn't matter. It just would be the normal sportscar from audi.. And as we all know audi is getting more famous with the minut (Finally!) So there gonna sell it anywayz.

But if they will only go with a high performens sportscar it would be matching today's supercars that cost 300K pounds. And I gues the audi is gonna be around 200K. And If there's gonna be a normal A9 around 80K.
But I think it's gonna be a exremly good handling car :D just look @ Lemans last couple years. I think a lot of rich people want one of those audis! And yes the "playboy pimps" will always have ferrari's and lambo's (who cares about them anywayz)
Just think about the SLR.. also a german super/GTcar of 300K pounds... Same story, but I think the audi will be much cheaper with much better performens! :D
I think if audi makes a performens A9 (R/RS9) It would be matching the Carrera GT :D

But Time would let us know (hurry up! :D)

Benman
November 10th, 2005, 19:50
Originally posted by tailpipe


I think Finnus has a point about the R9 overlapping with the Lamborghini Gallardo.

In the UK the Gallardo costs £115,000.

Personally, i think the R9 has to sell at around £59,000. And that's the one with the V10.

Tailpipe,

I also think Finnus makes a good point about the overlapping, but don't you think half the price your suggesting is a bit extreme? I mean 115K vs 59K? I would think that the price spread woudn't need to be near as drastic as that. In fact the opposite. If the price spread is that extreme and everyone knows it's built on the same platform, it will cannablise the Gallardo. But if the price is a little closer, Gallardos will continue to sell. Just my $.01

Ben:addict:

steve
November 10th, 2005, 19:52
You sure do think a lot kappe :p

Kappe
November 10th, 2005, 19:57
Originally posted by steve
You sure do think a lot kappe :p

True True :p

But audi is taking over the world!!! :D

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:rs6kiss: :rs4kiss:

steve
November 10th, 2005, 20:03
Originally posted by Benman
Tailpipe,

I also think Finnus makes a good point about the overlapping, but don't you think half the price your suggesting is a bit extreme? I mean 115K vs 59K? I would think that the price spread woudn't need to be near as drastic as that. In fact the opposite. If the price spread is that extreme and everyone knows it's built on the same platform, it will cannablise the Gallardo. But if the price is a little closer, Gallardos will continue to sell. Just my $.01

Ben:addict:

I agree. A 15% difference (so about 98k) would be perfect imo. That would just be the extra for the name Lamborghini, the exclusivity, and perhaps a slight HP advantage for the Lambo.

Finnus
November 11th, 2005, 15:03
I think Audi is going to be very careful where they place this car price and performance-wise. Audi management is not stupid. If they can build the RS9 for $120,000 that is as good as a $180,000 Lambo, then tey should build it.

If they are going to sell 10,000 RS9s (assuming this # is correct), who cares if they canabalize a few Lambo sales. There are still going to be many people who want the sex-appeal of a Lambo and are willing to pay for it. It will make them work harder to come up with something wild and innovative that distinguishes the Lambo.

I think the car has to be in the $120,000 range and it has to compete with Prosche turbos and Aston Martins. So they've got a fine line to walk.

Finnus
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GoFastKindaGuy
November 14th, 2005, 22:32
I just don't care anymore. V10 or I'm waiting for a Panamera.:cry:

Finnus
November 14th, 2005, 22:38
V10 or I'm waiting for a Panamera.

I second the motion!

Finnus
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Eckoman
November 15th, 2005, 13:14
According to www.auto-motor-sport.de Audi hit the green light for the R8 production starting in Q42006. It will go on sale in 2007 and be built by the quattro GmbH :mech:

GoFastKindaGuy
November 15th, 2005, 15:00
My german skills nicht sehr gut, but I think that article says V10. Are they speculating based on the show car, or did Audi release some news?

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eazy
November 15th, 2005, 15:15
The article only mentioned that the IAA-concept had a V10-engine.

Iceman
November 15th, 2005, 18:38
It will be R8 btw not R9.
Audi invest 28 million for the R8 project.
The R8 will be built by Quattro GmbH.

wfg, Hans.

Kappe
November 15th, 2005, 18:47
Originally posted by Iceman
It will be R8 btw not R9.
Audi invest 28 million for the R8 project.
The R8 will be built by Quattro GmbH.

wfg, Hans.

where do you get this information? :applause: LOL your from the netherlands.. what are your connections with audi (with that I don't mean the internet and the pictures on your pc)

28 million in the le mans quattro project? lol? You know how big projects like that are? It takes a couple of years to build a car.. And it takes a lot more than 28 million ROFL! :hihi:
This is not like the MC12 just a ferrari enzo with a other jaked on.. :nono: pls next time come with some hard prove! Or just say you "think" what's going on.
28 million lol :trash:

edit: btw for the record.. Do you know what GmbH is..

Benman
November 15th, 2005, 19:08
Originally posted by Kappe
where do you get this information? :applause: LOL your from the netherlands..

edit: btw for the record.. Do you know what GmbH is..
Uhmm... maybe from the same place Erik did?

Link: http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7791

Ben:addict:

Kappe
November 15th, 2005, 19:14
Originally posted by Benman
Uhmm... maybe from the same place Erik did?

Link: http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7791

Ben:addict:

so the internet..

Iceman
November 16th, 2005, 01:00
Originally posted by Kappe
so the internet..

No by a official Audi AG press release.

wfg, Hans.

Kappe
November 16th, 2005, 09:04
Originally posted by Iceman
No by a official Audi AG press release.

wfg, Hans.

Links pictures etc..

eazy
November 16th, 2005, 09:30
http://www.audi.com/audi/com/en1/company/news/press_releases/new_audi_sports_car.html

The 28 million euros are only for the production line.

SoCal
November 16th, 2005, 09:41
See links in Thread "Green Light For Audi R8 In Neckarsulm"
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Kappe
November 16th, 2005, 10:06
Originally posted by eazy
http://www.audi.com/audi/com/en1/company/news/press_releases/new_audi_sports_car.html

The 28 million euros are only for the production line.

Yeah so that Iceman that knows "everything" was wrong :) proven by audi it self!
28mil for the production line indeed. :harass: not for the project it self LOL! :hihi: that Iceman is Hilarious imo
(next time just say you "think" , in your opinion or give some hard prove with official links)

chewym
September 28th, 2006, 06:45
It has finally come.