Hot news! First pics in the World of the new Audi RS4 B7

[Erik]

This thread is under constant update...

Short movie (might not download due to heavy pressure)
http://s117957141.onlinehome.us/Audi/25quattro/RS4%20launch%20video.MOV

Ohhh!!! THe sound form that high-revving V8!!! :wo:


The new Audi RS4 B7. This is the first time Audi releases an RS model with the same name twice.

Leadership through Passion - Audi RS 4

New dimensions in driving dynamics combined with innovative ideas and concepts – and, in addition, exciting lines and a level of equipment living up to even the highest luxury performance standards: The new Audi RS 4 combines the latest high-performance motoring qualities offered by quattro GmbH in a thoroughbred sports saloon with supreme everyday driving qualities in the premium segment. Indeed, the new RS 4 is the top-of-the-range model in the A4 series, a development all-new from the ground up.

Numerous technical achievements – many of which hail from motorsport – give the new Audi RS 4 its unique class and character. These features include the high engine speed concept now being introduced for the first time in a production Audi, innovative FSI technology, as well as the latest generation of quattro drive with asymmetric/dynamic distribution of torque. Developing a maximum output of 420 bhp, the V8 revs up to a speed of 8250 rpm. With its displacement of 4163 cc, this outstanding engine exceeds the magical barrier of 100 bhp per litre truly outstanding in a production saloon. Maximum torque of 430 Nm comes at 5500 rpm in this very compact engine, with 90 per cent of the engine’s torque consistently available between 2250 and 7600 rpm. The result is excellent muscle and pulling force at all times, enabling the driver whenever he – or she – wishes to drive in truly relaxed style without frequent gear changes.

Audi has chosen its trendsetting and groundbreaking FSI technology for the RS 4 saloon, direct gasoline injection ensuring even more effective combustion of the fuel/air mixture and, as a result, an even better power yield. This is matched by the highly responsive development of power, the RS 4 accelerating to 100 km/h in 4.8 seconds and reaching 200 km/h in 16.6 seconds. Top speed is cut off electronically at 250 km/h.

Audi’s FSI technology has already proven its qualities impressively in Audi’s four-time Le Mans winner, the Audi R8.

A further essential point in the brief given to Audi’s development engineers was to optimise the car’s power-to-weight ratio, avoiding every superfluous gram on the Audi RS 4. Accordingly, virtually every component was checked and cross-checked for minimum weight. The front wheel arches and the engine compartment lid are therefore made of aluminium, just like most components on the chassis and suspension. The specially designed RS bucket seats, in turn, are not only very light, but also offer extremely good body support in every situation.

The result is a power-to-weight ratio of just 3.93 kilos per bhp – a figure truly reminiscent of a thoroughbred sports car, which would not even have been conceivable just a few years ago in a midrange saloon.

(NOTE. The BMW M3 CSL has 3,9 Kg / hp, and the M3 4,6 Kg / hp)


New generation of quattro drive

The challenge, of course, is to get all this power on to the road in perfect style and with optimum handling. And for no less than 25 years, Audi’s answer to all the particular requirements in this respect has been that magical name “quattro”. Now the latest generation of Audi’s permanent four-wheel drive featured for the first time in the RS 4 offers asymmetric/dynamic torque distribution and a self-locking Torsen centre differential, making a significant contribution in enabling the RS 4 with its sports suspension to enter new dimensions in driving dynamics. Indeed, Audi quattro technology still provides traction when other drive concepts have long reached their limits. And in this case quattro drive is further enhanced by Audi’s DRC Dynamic Ride Control, significantly reducing both body roll and dive.

The brakes also enter new dimensions, an 18-inch brake system ensuring optimum stopping power. The cross-drilled, inner-vented brake discs at the front measure 365 millimetres in diameter, as opposed to 324-millimetre brake discs at the rear. Flow-optimised ventilation geometry incorporating Naca jets on the underfloor of the car ensures first-class cooling of the brakes under all conditions.

As a result, brake fading is significantly reduced even under extreme loads, for example on the race track.

Focusing on the RS 4, quattro GmbH has carefully re-aligned the latest generation of ESP to the particular properties and features of this high-performance sports saloon. With the system intervening later and for a shorter period than on a conventional car, driving dynamics are improved significantly. The integrated dry braking function in wet weather, in turn, ensures additional safety on the road, with the brake pads being unnoticeably placed on the brake discs at regular intervals in order to dry the brakes for instantaneous use whenever required.

Design

The RS 4 features racing technology in civilian clothes. While many of its features look similar to the new Audi A4, the RS 4 is far more than just a “fast” derivative of Audi’s highly successful midrange saloon. Quite simply because the car is an almost entirely brand-new development tailored to the highest performance requirements.

The single-frame radiator grille, the rear section with the distinctly horizontal orientation of the car’s lines, and the side surfaces with the shoulder line plastically filling in the car’s contours, all prove that the RS 4 is a member of the A4 family. However, the radiator grille in diamond look, the additional air intake scoops in the front section, as well as the wheels developed specifically for the RS 4, clearly set the car aside from a “normal” Audi A4.

The newly designed rear air dam encompassing two extra-large tailpipes as well as the discreet but highly effective spoiler integrated in the luggage compartment lid and the rear side panels all bear clear testimony to the saloon’s dynamic driving potential also in terms of their looks. Compared with the Audi A4, the entire body of the car has been lowered by 30 millimetres. And at the same time the development engineers at quattro GmbH have widened the car’s track both front and rear. At the end of the day, however, all these modifications to the body of the car are significant not only in terms of design, but also above all in terms of function.

Inside, the RS 4 combines the straightforward function of a sports car with the luxurious ambience so typical of all Audi models. The dominating materials are leather, aluminium, and carbon. But at the same time the RS 4 comes with all the additional qualities so typical of a genuine sports car.

This superiority becomes clear immediately when you take your seats in the car: The RS bucket seats with their high side sections provide excellent support. A further feature of these bucket seats is the control button on each seat for inflating the side support elements adjusting perfectly to the driver’s anatomy. The sports steering wheel tapering down at the bottom and the engine starter button on the centre console, in turn, are also clearly reminiscent of motorsport, just like the aluminium pedals.

You start the engine of the Audi RS 4 by pressing the starter button housed conveniently in the centre console right next to the driver. Pressing the sports button in the steering wheel, in turn, the driver is able to modify the gas pedal control map, giving the engine even sharper and more direct response.

Features and equipment

Driving the Audi RS 4 means driving a sports car without making any concessions. Right from the start, therefore, the RS 4 comes with virtually all the features already boasted by the Audi A4. Apart from a wide range of advanced safety components, this also means high-comfort automatic air conditioning, central locking with remote control, and electric window lifts at the front. Further features of the RS 4 include the acoustic parking system at the front and rear, the Concert radio system, as well as sports suspension with variable damper control (DRC). Furthermore, the purchaser of an Audi RS 4 can also opt for a particularly high standard of comfort amenities such as Audi’s navigation system plus or dynamic adaptive light headlights literally guiding the driver round bends in the road.

420 HP - 430 Nm
160 MPH - 257 km/h
0-60 MPH in 4.8 seconds

http://www.rs6.com/pics/Various/RS4-1.jpg

http://www.rs6.com/pics/Various/RS4-2.jpg

http://www.rs6.com/pics/Various/RS4-3.jpg

http://www.rs6.com/pics/Various/RS4-4.jpg

http://www.rs6.com/pics/Various/RS4-5.jpg

http://www.rs6.com/pics/Various/RS4-6.jpg


http://www.rs6.com/gallery/data/504/2AudiRS4-1-med.jpg

http://www.rs6.com/gallery/data/504/2AudiRS4-2-med.jpg


http://www.rs6.com/gallery

Nice seats...

http://www.rs6.com/gallery/data/504/2RS4-41-med.jpg

http://www.rs6.com/gallery/data/504/2RS4-51-med.jpg

Impressive brakes

http://www.rs6.com/gallery/data/504/2RS4-31-med.jpg

http://www.rs6.com/gallery/data/504/2RS4-11-med.jpg

http://www.rs6.com/gallery/data/504/2RS4-21-med.jpg

Live pictures taken by John Stahmann, Audiworld.com.

The managers

http://www.rs6.com/pics/RS4/RS6COM-RS4-2005-1.jpg

Close up

http://www.rs6.com/pics/RS4/RS6COM-RS4-2005-2.jpg

Close up of the wheel. New design of 18" wheel?

http://www.rs6.com/pics/RS4/RS6COM-RS4-2005-3.jpg

Thanks to 'roadrunner' for the picture.

Live pictures taken by John Stahmann, Audiworld.com.

[A4toS4]

I'm going to sleep now. This better be on page 4 when I wake up!

Thanks in advance.

[rheudabaga]

uh, is this a joke:confused:

i mean, how can anyone tell that's not an S4?

oh well, hope we see it up close today:applause:

[QuattroFan]

Look at the wide fenders

[Chuangs4]

Originally posted by rheudabaga
uh, is this a joke:confused:

i mean, how can anyone tell that's not an S4?

oh well, hope we see it up close today:applause: Look at the bruished side mirrows....that's a real RS4!

[Vorsprung]

Man oh man have i been waiting for this car to be launched!! The time is almost here...... Bring on those pics!!!:rs4addict

[R8isGreat]

:rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict
Is that a ski jump?
Look at that grill!!
Look at those FENDERS?
Look at those mirrors!!!
Im wiggin:trash:

[Erik]

Is this Audi forum in Ingolstadt?

Seems like the show starts at 18.30 local time.... BRING IT ON!

[Croman]

Originally posted by R8isGreat
:rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict
Is that a ski jump?

It's a quattro playground! :rs4addict :race: :revs: :D :deal: :incar: :heart: :wo: :applause:

[Erik]

http://www.25quattro.com/

[carlos]

Finally theres some real info. of the new RS4. It was a long wait but it should be worth it. RSRSRSRSRSRSRSRS

[Chuangs4]

Originally posted by Erik
http://www.25quattro.com/ What's this??:vhmmm:

[Benman]

Originally posted by Chuangs4
What's this??:vhmmm:
Not the RS 4, but the ski jump video is dope!

[Chuangs4]

Originally posted by Benman
Not the RS 4, but the ski jump video is dope! Yeah...maybe new RS4 can play the show again!

[nene]

So when is this unveiling taking place?
I can't hold it any longer.

[J0X]

Oh, wow – 18.30 local time! They better offer a streaming live feed!

I can't believe my future car is standing up on that ramp!

[djinn]

Half an hour left for the unveiling.

I can't wait anymore...

I want to see the new :rs4addict

Will the pics shown right after the unveiling?

[5000S old skool]

I've been hearing stuff on audiworld about a second car also being shown to the public. Anyone know what this car might be? Tailpipe, maybe its your anticipated RS9/S9/S5 sport concept? S6 maybe?

God, I cant wait..

[J.Seven]

Where´s the car:vgrumpy:

J.Seven

[Iceman]

That will be the Audi TT "Sport Quattro".

wfg, Hans.

[Croman]

Where are the f***ing pictures!!!????
This is killing me...!

[5000S old skool]

any minute now.....

[rks838]

please oh please! I have to go soon!

[Croman]

Originally posted by 5000S old skool
any minute now.....

For real?
Do you have them?

:brag:

[Iceman]

Originally posted by 5000S old skool
any minute now.....
Not any minute....... Monday 24:00 hour central European time

wfg, Hans.

[rheudabaga]

does that mean the show is at midnight? :doh:

[Erik]

Originally posted by rheudabaga
does that mean the show is at midnight? :doh:

More US friendly perhaps...

Is this midnight thing for sure? Zzzz.... :vhmmm:

[Jerry D]

Not to promote another site, but www.fourtitude.com says they will have pics by 6 pm EST. So use that to judge the release of pics. I can't afford the car but none the less I am super pumped.

:rs4addict

Jerry D

[5000S old skool]

ok so what time will they release the pictures in Geneva, or wherever the car is? I hope those two pics arent the only ones we'll get till the Geneva show.

[Erik]

"Sportwagen für 365 Tage im Jahr"

http://www.donaukurier.de/storage/thm/bilder/redaktion/fotos_wirtschaft/192700_in_rs4-1.jpg

:vhmmm:

"Hello,
the RS 4 data will be available at 22. February, 0:00 o´clock at Audi Press Database.
You will find the data then at : Products -> New Releases -> The new Audi RS 4. "

[Iceman]

Originally posted by 5000S old skool
ok so what time will they release the pictures in Geneva, or wherever the car is? I hope those two pics arent the only ones we'll get till the Geneva show.

The introduction will be on "Audi Piazza" Ingolstadt ?????
And there will be more pictures short after midnight 00:15.
The second car will be the Audi TT "Sport Quattro"

wfg, Hans.

[Croman]

420 HP
160 MPH
0-60 MPH in 4.8 seconds
430 Nm

http://www.donaukurier.de/storage/pic/bilder/redaktion/fotos_wirtschaft/192700_in_rs4-1.jpg

http://www.donaukurier.de/storage/pic/bilder/redaktion/fotos_wirtschaft/192701_in_rs4-2.jpg

[5000S old skool]

160mph... im assumig thats electronically limited??

[Erik]

Originally posted by 5000S old skool
160mph... im assumig thats electronically limited??

Yes.

[Croman]

http://s117957141.onlinehome.us/Audi/25quattro/RS4050002.jpg

http://s117957141.onlinehome.us/Audi/25quattro/RS4050003.jpg

http://s117957141.onlinehome.us/Audi/25quattro/RS4050010.jpg

http://s117957141.onlinehome.us/Audi/25quattro/RS4050012.jpg

[R8isGreat]

Here she is

[R8isGreat]

Wow

[R8isGreat]

Push me!!!:MTM:

[Benman]

WOW!!:MTM:

Is it just me or does the fit and finish look outstanding!:applause: :applause:

Look at the stiching on the seats, the metal trim on the steering wheel, the fine mutispoke wheels... it just looks absolutely great! More pics please!

Ben:addict: :rs4addict

[Erik]

See also this:

Audi TT quattro sport
http://www.rs6.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=12

[Erik]

Interesting facts:

RS4 B7 3,9 Kg / hp

Gallardo 3,2 Kg / hp
RS6 4,24 Kg / hp
RS4 B5 4,4 Kg / hp
S4 Avant B6 5,3 Kg / hp

911 Carrera 4 (996) 4,9 Kg /hp

BMW M3 CSL 3,9 Kg / hp (same as the new RS4)
BMW M3 4,6 Kg / hp

Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG 4,6 Kg / hp

http://www.track-challenge.com/

[Benman]

Originally posted by Erik
Interesting facts:

RS4 B7 3,9 Kg / hp

Gallardo 3,2 Kg / hp
RS6 4,24 Kg / hp
RS4 B5 4,4 Kg / hp
S4 Avant B6 5,3 Kg / hp



That puts it @ 3631 lbs! Not exactly what some people were hoping for but quite an impressive figure!!! That's nearly 200 lbs off the S4!!! Great job, I didn't think they would save that much weight! I'm impressed to say the least! It almost has the same HP to weight ratio as the new M5!:applause: :applause:

Pics of the Avant please!

Ben:addict: :rs4addict

[carlos]

Wow the wait is over, now the wait stars for delivery. I was planing to wait until the avant but the saloon is great. I am totally impreased with the interior they took it up a level. The compet. should be worried.
CESA

[J.Seven]

Exterior looks great, although the Station Wagon will look even better. The interior it a bit busy with to much aluminium parts a la TT just delete those on the steering and it will look much better. The Nokia phone on the dash can ony be a joke from Audi, it fits perfectly a full loaded Mercedes E220 CDI Taxi, but not in this high tech sports car.
Would love to see better pics of the seats, they look promising :)
Wheels are simply amazing :thumb:

J.Seven

[R8isGreat]

:rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :trash: :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict
Hubba Hubba

DOes this mean a 60/40 rear/front split!!!

"These features include the high engine speed concept now being introduced for the first time in a production Audi, innovative FSI technology, as well as the latest generation of quattro drive with asymmetric/dynamic distribution of torque."

[rks838]

Audi has been planning to do this, so yes - I have almost no doubt the RS4 is split 40/60 front/rear.

Wow!!! That thing looks amazing!! And what a good color!

[5000S old skool]

FINALLY!!! THE PICS ARE OUT!!! WHAT A BEAST!!!! same power to weight ratio as a CSL!?!!? no way!!

TAKE THAT BMW GUYS, AND SIT ON IT!!!! TRYING TO SAY AUDI CANT MAKE A N/A ENGINE THAT MAKE MORE THAN 100 hp/liter. Well here it is!

:rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :thumb: :thumb: :D :D

[kujo]

sounds amazing. thanks for the mov file.
More please !!!!

The way it was holding those donuts on the snow would have to be a 40/60 split.

:rs4addict

[rks838]

What move file!? Please, I looked and can't find it! Can you please post it?

[Jerry D]

I am not trying to claim or imply or boast about anything with this response. But I am not sure those donuts show a 40:60 torque split with the new :rs4addict I can do those in my B6 A4 1.8T Quattro. Tho my engine doesn't sound nearly as good in the process.

:)


Jerry D

[kujo]

go back to the first post, on page ONE.
It's there.

[Josers4imola]

Where can I find this video? :hahahehe:
cheers
:rs4kiss: :rs4addict :rs4kiss:

[Bauer]

anyone have a different link to the video...I can't seem to get it to work.

Thanks

[5000S old skool]

Originally posted by rks838
What move file!? Please, I looked and can't find it! Can you please post it?

right click save as.. its all the way at the teh beggining of the thread.. posted by erik

[kujo]

right click and save it.

works just fine if you do that.

just probably not enough bandwidth to stream.

[kujo]

we posted that at the same time......:0:

:rs4addict :rs4kiss:

[Tanner]

Nice video thanks for putting it up. :D Hope you can post a longer one in the future.

Unfortunately I hear that this is again going to be a no show for Canada... not enough interested in spending large amounts of cash on a car like this. It's too bad. They didn't keep Canada in mind in developing the car and especially meeting the stricter crash tests here. :vgrumpy:

[RS4Ever]

whoa cool!! what kind of a car is that??
hehe... :hihi:

ahh those wheel flares!




Originally posted by kujo
sounds amazing. thanks for the mov file.
More please !!!!

The way it was holding those donuts on the snow would have to be a 40/60 split.

:rs4addict


is it really possible to determine the weight ratio split from seeing those donuts?

[5000S old skool]

well the tail is kicking out easily and keeping a good circle at the same time? You can tell its oversteer biased by the way its spinning.

The B7 RS4 is what happens when the beuty and the beast conceive a child..

[J Irwan]

HOlly........mo..lly......:bow: :bow: :rs4addict :rs4kiss: :wo:



I think my mind is set on my next car....


Does anyone know about the pricing on these beast yet..??


I am very curious.


Regardz,

[rks838]

yea, I got the vid - it wasn't there when I first looked at the thread 8 hours ago.

Official pricing has not been revealed yet, and probably won't for awhile...but I'd guess $65-70K. Other people have guessed muc higher...unfortunately, it won't be much lower than that, because if the RS4 was only $10k higher than the S4, everybody would go for the RS4s.

Awesome car!!! I hope they offer the sport exhaust w/ black tailpipes, as they did with the RS6 - more subtle that way. The exhaust still look good like that, though, because they match the wheels...

[sturs6]

First off what an awesome way to intro a car. That video was great. I wonder if one could do that on dry pavement in that car without snow? The car looks great as well. I am not big on the front but under the hood can make up for many things. I love that interior though it is spectacular in my opinion.
Well Well:vhmmm: :vhmmm: :addict:
:rs4kiss:
This has got to be one of the fastest growing threads on the board. 3538 Reads 62 replies since 6:22 on Feburary 21,2005 Roughly 221 view per hour and 3.8 replies per hour all of this if my crazy math is correct.
:cheers:
I like to see that RS6.com logo on the pictures Erik.
Thanks man for all you do!!!!

[RS4Ever]

speaking of RS6.COM logos on pics...


Did anyone say Imola Yellow?

this is the closest i got... excuse the pic.. you can see how choppy it is.. however, this is developed from the original.. the original itself has this pixelization texture over certain area of the car...

anyways,

i think it looks great and i just had to see it in imola just like in the clip (thanks Erik).. this rendering was done rather quickly. Once we get in some higher res pics.. the photoshops will look better :bigeyes: .
now i can go back and continue to study...:idea: :idea: :idea: (a lot)

[J Irwan]

Damn,

With B7 RS 4 I'll take any color....no question ask :D :rs4kiss:


I complelete with sturs6.

The interior is indeed spectacular especially with the real CF trim, start engine button, and Galardo Style steering wheel :MTM: :bigeyes: :bow:



Regardz,

J Irwan

[sturs6]

Originally posted by J Irwan

The interior is indeed spectacular especially with the real CF trim, start engine button, and Galardo Style steering wheel :MTM: :bigeyes: :bow:
Regardz,

J Irwan

Yes, Yes, Yes... I agree on all of those.
HUMMMM :vhmmm: :vhmmm: :w: Keep the Caddy or not!!! My big question which I think has been answered to me before. Will we get the Avant??? Yes or No??? An Avant RS4 would be hard for me to resist!!! :doh: Ah RS4 daily driver!!! thats the ticket!!!
:thumb: :addict: :rs4addict :dig:

[rheudabaga]

so what is the current thinking of whether they'll make an Avant version and whether that will make it to the USA?

[RS4Ever]

of course any color for this car would do.

but i couldnt resist...

(quality of pic cant get much better - also saved in lower quality so that it will not reject the post)

:love: Those flares!

:eek: time is flying by. ok.. enough doodling for me. :idea:

:jlol: but this is so fun :rs4kiss:

im out:bye:

[R8isGreat]

StuRS6, RS4ever, Erik, and all the rest of you guys on here,

This is the car we all knew Audi could build. This will prove to be a watershed moment for Audi, and for RS6.COM where Audi has not only caught up with the competition, but passed them. This is why we have loved and supported them. Kudos to all my Audi friends, and may you all drive an RS!!!
:addict: :rs4addict :addict: :rs4addict :addict: :rs4addict

[djinn]

WOWWWW!!!!!!! What an amazing car...

Finally Audi built this super driving machine. I loved it... :love:

This will be a real m5 and m3 eater... :rs4kiss: :rs4kiss: :rs4kiss:

[M3 owner]

1st of all,thnx 2 all of u who provided those pictures & movie.
I am speechless,that is not only the best looking Audi ever made but it is 1 of the best looking cars I have ever seen !!!!
The interior DOES borrow allot from the TT but it takes it 2 a whole other level.
I cannot bring myself 2 even read the article,I can't get beyond looking at the pictures & admiring something so beautiful.
Thnx again guys !
Screw the C55,screw the depreciation of Audi's in Australia, I am keeping my car until this glamour is released in Australia.
Thank you guys !!!

[Erik]

Ohhh The engine!

[Erik]

Ohhh The car!

[A4toS4]

Honestly...where are you guys hiding the rest of the pics?!?!!?!?

[Erik]

More photoshops. Which color do you fancy? :p

http://i.snapandshare.com/77/107/68144o.jpg

http://i.snapandshare.com/77/107/68013o.jpg

http://i.snapandshare.com/77/107/68015o.jpg

http://i.snapandshare.com/77/107/68011o.jpg

http://i.snapandshare.com/77/107/68014o.jpg

http://i.snapandshare.com/77/107/68145o.jpg

http://i.snapandshare.com/77/107/68012o.jpg

http://i.snapandshare.com/77/107/68134o.jpg

[quattro]

New kid on the block. RS4 steering wheel

http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/022105/rs4-interior.jpg

Recognize this? Gallardo steering wheel

http://i.snapandshare.com/77/107/68107.jpg

[A4toS4]

http://i.snapandshare.com/77/107/68144o.jpg
This looks like primer! :P


http://i.snapandshare.com/77/107/68145o.jpg
i like this color.

[Erik]

Nice seats...

http://www.rs6.com/gallery/data/504/2RS4-41-med.jpg

http://www.rs6.com/gallery/data/504/2RS4-51-med.jpg

Impressive brakes

http://www.rs6.com/gallery/data/504/2RS4-31-med.jpg

http://www.rs6.com/gallery/data/504/2RS4-11-med.jpg

http://www.rs6.com/gallery/data/504/2RS4-21-med.jpg

[M&M]

Originally posted by djinn
WOWWWW!!!!!!! What an amazing car...

Finally Audi built this super driving machine. I loved it... :love:

This will be a real m5 and m3 eater... :rs4kiss: :rs4kiss: :rs4kiss:

You really think so. 4.8 to 100 & 16.6 to 200.

[5000S old skool]

Originally posted by M&M
You really think so. 4.8 to 100 & 16.6 to 200.

It may not eat an M5 down the 1/4 mi. But it sure as will own an M5 at the track, especially scince this RS4 wont be as notorious for understeer as the last one was, now that its lighter (much lighter than the M5), the engine has been put further back and the torque slpit front/back is 40/60.

[Amar3lio]

not so sure about the wheels .... seem more s line than RS line.....

Any news on alternative ones? :rs4addict

[phatfocus]

naff wheels, and i can oonly hope that the avant looks better.

[Erik]

Why Audi can and BMW can't

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=51163

:rs4kiss:

[Erik]

http://www.automotorsport.se/uploaded/image/2005/2/22/audi25fire330.jpghttp://www.automotorsport.se/uploaded/image/2005/2/22/audirs4.jpg

[M&M]

Originally posted by 5000S old skool
But it sure as will own an M5 at the track,

You sure about that?

[R8isGreat]

I finally had to quit reading that garbage that the M5 bulliten board was spitting out.

DODO (http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=51163 )

They said everything from "The new RS4 looks like my dads 545," "All the RS4 is is a facelift on their A4," "All interiors are going toward BMW's," "And Audi has too much silver in their interiors." The BMW dash is one BIG ol' Alluminum plate!!! Its amaizing how those guys are so hardheaded and wont admit that there is something better out there. One guy was saying thay should stand up and demand more from BMW, and that all attacked him and said he needed to look elsewhaer if he wanted a nice interior. WOW. :vhmmm:

[Benman]

Originally posted by Tanner
They didn't keep Canada in mind in developing the car and especially meeting the stricter crash tests here. :vgrumpy:
Ha ha. That's just an excuse the government feeds the people. In reality, Audi just didn't feel like paying the OUTRAGEOUS fees to be "crash compliant". Don't feel bad though, we're fed the same kind of garbage here in the States. Think about it. Who do you REALLY think has higher safety standards? A country that has NO highway speed limits (in some areas) or us in the States and Canada with our 70 mph? "Stricter crash tests". Makes one laugh!:hihi: :hihi:

I do hope they will import it to Canada. That's the car you guys need up there in the snow! An all season super car for the family!

Ben:addict:

[Benman]

Originally posted by R8isGreat
I finally had to quit reading that garbage that the M5 bulliten board was spitting out.



You mean some people click on those M5 links?:vhmmm: I didn't think anyone here wasted their time:hihi:

Anyone know of Avant pics? Seems odd they introduced an RS without having an Avant handy.:vhmmm:

The sedan looks fantastic all the same!:0: :bow:

Ben:addict:

[Erik]

Originally posted by Benman
Anyone know of Avant pics? Seems odd they introduced an RS without having an Avant handy.

Na, it's all about being able to re-lanch "news" when the Avant is released
so they can appear in as many times as possible in as many magazines as possible.

Also, note there is no raw technical data released - and many new inventions/upgrades like the adjustable DRC and this new quattro are not explained deeply. Guess it will be released soon.

I think it's a thing called marketing...

[R8isGreat]

But we dont expect to get the Avant here in the States correct?
:w: :MTM: :w: :MTM: :w: :MTM: :w: :MTM: :w: :MTM: :w: :MTM: :w:

[Ruergard]

Don't know what to say.... it's just that impressive.... SO DAMN NICE! Just love the seats and the steering wheel! And those brakes, seems good :hahahehe:

But the BEST, that sound... mmmmmmm, just loveley. Can't wait to see and hear one in reality!

Great JOB Audi! Kepp it up! :rs4kiss:

:rs4addict

[krm]

I think I have found my next car, in Avant form of course! :0:

[Benman]

Originally posted by Erik


Also, note there is no raw technical data released - and many new inventions/upgrades like the adjustable DRC and this new quattro are not explained deeply. Guess it will be released soon.

I think it's a thing called marketing...
:D

It's great to see they have confirmed DRC (although a new version) makes its way to this mini Beast! Dispite some peoples objections, I think it's great that Audi STICK with a technology that NO OTHER CAR MANUFACTURE uses and just makes it better and better (after all that's what quattro was:D ). By the 3rd or 4th version of DRC it should be truely incredible combined with the revised quattro! Can't wait to see how the "new" DRC differs from the RS 6! Wow, I doubt I'll end up getting this car but I'm just as pumped as if I was!:0: :bigeyes: :bigeyes:

Ben:addict: :rs4addict

[Erik]

Climbing up

[Kappe]

O MY GOD!! there's jezus! :360:

LATER BMW!! SEE YA'Z :eek:

:rs4kiss: :rs4kiss: :rs4kiss: :rs4kiss:

[Erik]

:rs4addict :snow:

[Erik]

Phat ass! :king:

[R8isGreat]

Kappe writes
O MY GOD!! there's jezus!

I dont think you would know Him if you saw Him. No need to blaspheme and offend others.

[Erik]

:rs4kiss:

[Erik]

:applause:

[Erik]

Close-up

[Erik]

:idea:

[Erik]

Better safe than sorry.

[Erik]

25 years of quattro

[Gustav]

Welcome to the high-revvign concept, that BMW introduced 20 years ago :race:

Numerous technical achievements – many of which hail from motorsport – give the new Audi RS 4 its unique class and character. These features include the high engine speed concept now being introduced for the first time in a production Audi

The interiour is very nice and I would love to see an Avant!

Weight to power ratio M5 vs RS4. :applause:

BMW M5 E60: 3,6 kg / hk.
RS4 B7 3,9 Kg / hp

[R8isGreat]

Gustav wrote

Welcome to the high-revvign concept, that BMW introduced 20 years ago

If hi-revs is the benchmark then Honda is as good as BMW. The S2000 revs to well over 9000 rpm.

Also I dont know that BMW has had a M5 that has made it long with the 507 hp engaged. When they have about 20 produced that cand last a few weeks, then we wil brag about how great the M5 engine is.

The website for bragging about the M5 is not Rs6.com

[Julz RS4]

This new B7 Audi RS4 is really hot. :rs4addict

I hope a lot that it will be on sale in Canada. As Benman says it so well this RS4 is perfect for meterologic conditions of Canada. :thumb:

[M&M]

RS4 is great. Just don't expect it to be beating any ///M cars anytime soon in a straight line or on a track. (Don't flame me, just 4.8 to 100 isn't going to cut it). But if you can live with that, then I'm sure it will serve its purpose well.

[carlos]

It is not just about the power ( it is important) with the RS models. Look how diffrent they are the stand out in looks, tecnology etc. You dont have many competitors wit quatro, Fsi,
more than 400hp, and that kind of interior. I dont like to compare a m3, c55 with the RS4 thats why we have an S4 to battle those guys. Lets wait for the avant, but i like what i see. Im still keeping my b5rs4 and my rs6 and just wait for the new guy.
CESA

[R8isGreat]

M&M writes

Just don't expect it to be beating any ///M cars anytime soon in a straight line or on a track


I know that all you BMW fans that love to come on here and spit your propaganda and misinformation dont want to admit it, but your precious M5 blows up when the 507 hp button is pushed. The M5 was revealed long ago and the RS4 was reveled last night, and I have seen more performance video for the RS4 than the M5. You can shout about how glorious the M5 is, but #1. All the track times reported on this site place the RS4 ahead of the M5 on the track; and #2. The M5 engine is NOT perfected and NOT reliable. All the car magizines and sources say the same thing. With 400hp the M5 is fine, but push it to 500 and it blows.

Just like the M3 engine that BMW put out, that was recalled and pulled in several of my friends M3's and several of the people on websites like this on's M3's. IT WAS NOT RELIABLE. Dont brag about victory in battle before you put on your armor, and dont brag about an M5 0-100 time untill it can do it over and over and over again.

Right now the only M car for BMW is the M3, which is 4.9 to 100.
The RS4 already beats that, plus we will see the difference between manufacturer times and review times. The RS6 was 4.6 in some reviews I read: namley European Car.

[Audihead]

I love the RS4. It will be in the garage as soon as possible after the U.S. release.:rs4kiss: :rs4addict

:s4addict:

[Erik]

Let's see.

M3 vs. RS4

The M3 lacks.

First of all the Beemer lacks 2 doors. :eye:
:harass: Another fact, it lacks 2 cylinders. :w:
Still, the M3 is fast but since it lacks transmission :bye: to 2 wheels compared to the RS4 I think the later will be a lot more useable.

They are still all great cars! :p :0:

[M&M]

Say can someone please post a link to the M5 engine's blowing up. I haven't heard anything in my pub, but my bartender tends to be behind the times.

ALso, I believe there is an article on this very site stating that the E90 M3 will have 415hp, 7 gears & weigh 1430kg.

Either way, you can get defensive if you want but 4.8 to 100 & 16.6 to 200 is nothing to write home about. Am I wrong?

[J0X]

Originally posted by M&M
ALso, I believe there is an article on this very site stating that the E90 M3 will have 415hp, 7 gears & weigh 1430kg.

Too bad it's still gonna look like a Bangled Beemer.

[R8isGreat]

Link to M5 forum talking about M5 engine blowing up due to revs (http://forums.e60.net/lofiversion/index.php/t3135.html)

Notice key phrases like...

"there have been several engine breakdowns"

and

"Otherwise we will see the M3 E46 engine breakdown history repeating itself."

No one is getting defensive, but if 4.8 0-100 is "nothing to write home about" then wht have so many BMW lemmings screamed home about 4.9?

Like we said: Dont come on here looking to tout how great BMWs are because that was the past, and this is an Audi forum. There are plenty of M5 forums that will love for you to sing praises to the M5 and will follow you with every step. If you think BMW is so great, then tell them, not us.

[M&M]

I'm not talking about BMW's. I'm talking about the RS4. You are the one talking about BMW's. And the link you've given me is a forum. Is that proof of anything.

But back to the topic of the RS4. It's Audi's 1st car to use the high rev concept that 'apparently' is prone to engine failure. So why shouldn't the RS4 engine be subject to the same probability of falure? Is t because it has an audi badge that it won't fail. IT's also a 100hp/litre engine that revs to over 8000rpm.

[5000S old skool]

We'll just have to wait and see when the RS4 hits the streets. And when the M5 hits the streets w/o being an Al-Qeada weapon.

[RS246]

I dont get to see the movie.... The download went fine...
Does anyone have a link for the correct Codec ?


By the way, Great Car !!!

!!!! Loocking forward to the AVANT.:rs4addict

[rheudabaga]

"this way, boys, the new RS4 is right over here!"

http://imgs.partys-bei-uns.de/2005/2005-02-21_audi-ingolstadt/imgs/ro-2005-2925.jpg

[Erik]

Thread edited.

Please behave...or I'll go donuts


http://www.rs6.com/pics/RS4/HI-RS4-8.jpg

[Erik]

Close up of the steering wheel

Now I KNOW I'm going to feel GOOD when I'm behind this wheel.

Audi's interior is second to none. Well, Bentley might be better.

http://www.rs6.com/pics/RS4/HI-RS4-10.jpg

Start button. Imagine the sound :music: :dig: :love2:

http://www.rs6.com/pics/RS4/HI-RS4-11.jpg

No DSG yet for people who can't :stick:

[M&M]

OK Erik, fair enough, but I think you see my point. Engine failures can occur to any manufacturer (as proved by the B6 S4 failures).

In fact I would go so far as to say that the RS4 has a higher probability of having failures as Audi have no experience with high rev 100hp/litre engines.

But just taking a dig at other marques, isn't going to accomplish anything & may just come back to haunt you.

But the RS4 engine is a beaut, & with peak torque at 5500rpm, is sure to hold its torque at high rpm.

[R8isGreat]

AAAAAAANYYYYWAYYYYYYYYYY.....puke: Ad Nausium


Does the B7 RS4 Have a COLOR display screen. I know my screen between the tach and speed cannot produce the colors that one on the pic can. It kinda is like the one in the Toureg, displaying color!

[RS4wannabee]

Originally posted by R8isGreat
:rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict :trash: :rs4addict :rs4addict :rs4addict
Hubba Hubba

DOes this mean a 60/40 rear/front split!!!

"These features include the high engine speed concept now being introduced for the first time in a production Audi, innovative FSI technology, as well as the latest generation of quattro drive with asymmetric/dynamic distribution of torque."

Dr Martin Winterkorn (the audi boss who drove the S4 down the ramp) confirmed on video (www.audi.de) that the distribution of power is 60% back and 40% front.

I'm looking forward to the first drives (on the circuit and on the street). :race:

[RS4wannabee]

Originally posted by M&M
OK Erik, fair enough, but I think you see my point. Engine failures can occur to any manufacturer (as proved by the B6 S4 failures).

In fact I would go so far as to say that the RS4 has a higher probability of having failures as Audi have no experience with high rev 100hp/litre engines.



I think the high revving technology is tested to the extreme (with turbo's) i admit) on Le Mans. The FSI engine of the RS4 is therefore the result of a lot of racing experience. Also the DTM racing experience came handy for the development of the RS4...

but a beauty of an engine it is. The future will tell all about failures or not :rs4addict :mech:

[R8isGreat]

Some more pics

[R8isGreat]

and this

[R8isGreat]

Right front

[R8isGreat]

Up in ya grill

[R8isGreat]

Das Boot

[R8isGreat]

All lit up!

[Erik]

German RS4 site

These pics look like they come from the sales broschure.

http://www.audi.com/de/de/unternehmen/beteiligungen/quattro/quattro.jsp

[Roadie]

I need that RS4 for my next car. The interior is the best since the F1. Makes the Gallado inside look basic and cheap. Can't believe they have matched the CSL power to weight! Plus it'll have ass kicking all wheel drive.

Who would buy a beemer now then? - they're too slow, too ugly and too unreliable. :mech: :hahahehe:

[Benman]

Originally posted by rheudabaga
"this way, boys, the new RS4 is right over here!"

http://imgs.partys-bei-uns.de/2005/2005-02-21_audi-ingolstadt/imgs/ro-2005-2925.jpg
Oh my... please tell me that's a photoshop:rolleyes:

All gayness aside, nothing can curb my enthusiasm for the RS 4. As for comparisons to the M5, it's not even in the same class. Remember, if it has 95% the performance (with better looks AND better interior quality) and 75% the cost, then it's NO comparison!

Ben:addict: :rs4addict

[R8isGreat]

:applause: Preach on brotha:applause:

[rks838]

RS4 is great. Just don't expect it to be beating any ///M cars anytime soon in a straight line or on a track. (Don't flame me, just 4.8 to 100 isn't going to cut it). But if you can live with that, then I'm sure it will serve its purpose well.

Don't forget that Audi drastically understated the performance of the RS6 at the its press release. It claimed 4.9 0-100kph/0-60mph then. It revised that to 4.6 later, when it started advertising. And the 0-60mph times the 4 major US magazines got were 4.6, 4.4, 4.3, and 4.3. It's the same with the S4 - they began with 5.6, revised to 5.3, and the magazines got 5.0. To be perfectly fair, most magazines timed the M3 at 4.8 or 4.7, and one got it at 4.5 at the end of a long-term test, with the engine fully broken in. But that's only if you want to judge the car on a figure you are never going to use.

If the RS4 goes 0-60mph in 4.8 and 0-100mph in 16.6, I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that gives it very good high speed acceleration, at least compared to the RS6. That is a figure you could use in real life - and it would blow the doors off an M3. Benman's got a point with the M5 - at 75% the cost, a class size smaller, and 400 pounds lighter, it's not exactly a direct competitor. But hey, bragging rights exist no matter what cars you're comparing. But the biggest known number so far: the E60 M5 goes around the Nurburgring in 8:13. Let's see who wins this track time battle, by far the most important in judging a car's performance.

Let's see skidpad and slalom times - if the S4 can get .90g on the pad, and the RS6 can go through the slalom at 68.7 (DRC!!!), I wouldn't be suprised to see the RS4 beat both those numbers.

[R8isGreat]

M&M


But just taking a dig at other marques, isn't going to accomplish anything & may just come back to haunt you.

THen why are you taking a "Dig" at the RS4

[SpinEcho]

:love: :heart: :love: :heart: :revs: :revs: :king:

This looks really tasty!

And, by God, it would appear to have a proper floating disc design on the front brakes. Seems they are using the same 8-piston front calipers as the RS6 - perhaps the pads won't burst into flames quite so readily, if all the press release gobbledygook about NACA ducts translates into effective cooling!

[5000S old skool]

:king: :idea: :king:

Fun project..

B7 RS4.. give it A4 front/rear bumper, side skirts, A4 2.0T badge. Maybe some less flashy rims.

And OH boy do u have yourself some entertainment on the freeway.. looking at people faces..

:vhmmm: :bigeyes: :vhmmm: :bigeyes: :confused: - I just got owned by an A4??

I wouldnt make it permanent though.. maybe just a one day thing..

[djinn]

I don't know did any of you guys realized that the figure on the steering wheel is not a trapezoid like the front grill as regular.
This time Audi made it circle like the old steering wheels. Also Audi had combined the A8's and Le mans's steering wheel in the new rs4. I think it looks hot! :rs4kiss:

[RS4Ever]

:jlol: holy moly!

were at page #9 :360:


does anyone know how many will be made?

will they attempt a "+" (RS4 Plus) edition/series? (might not have to?)


does anyone also know an approximate width between two front or rear tyres is? how much wider is this than an A4/S4. Its got this bulldog stance- where it just looks so planted - i love it.

also, i think i read somewhere that it has some newer version/form of quattro.
can anyone say what this new form of quattro is?

"Now the latest generation of Audi’s permanent four-wheel drive featured for the first time in the RS 4 offers asymmetric/dynamic torque distribution and a self-locking Torsen centre differential, making a significant contribution in enabling the RS 4 with its sports suspension to enter new dimensions in driving dynamics."
:idea:to learn more so that i understand these things better, what does this mean and how is it different from the previous?


:incar: oh man i cant wait to see these in SpeedGT... I heard we no longer have Pobst:cry: (now in Mazda) and still have Galati:D ... when we will see these run?:race:


Le-Haim! (in hebrew means cheers) :cheers: for the new :rs4addict

[M&M]

Originally posted by rks838
If the RS4 goes 0-60mph in 4.8 and 0-100mph in 16.6, - and it would blow the doors off an M3.

I agree that the RS4 will probable be quicker than the E46 M3. But it certainly won't blow the doors off it. Not the Sport Auto Shoot-out below, pay specific attention to the M3's 0-200 time.

BMW & Audi both claim 5.2 to 100 for the M3 & S4 repectively. However, the M3 beats its claim while the S4 didn't get close. In fact I have yet to see an S4 match Audi's claim of 5.2 to 100 (I'm not talking about to 60mph)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/M&M&M/Comp/s4test2teil2.jpg

And here's a link where the M5 lapped the Ring in 7:52:

http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/detail.php/1879435?topic_id=731907

And here you can see just a normal BMW engineer can lap in 8:08:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/Rave_S3/83evo77mpower02.jpg

If I am proven wrong when the RS4 is tested , then I will accept it & apologise to you guys for being a naysayer. But I feel Audi have missed the boat & should have taken this opportunity to blow the opposition so far away that even their new models wouldn't get close.

[QuattroFun]

M&M; This debate is utterly pointless and I expect no replies - but to put the record straight, the S4 claimed time to 100 km/h (appr. 62mph) is 5.6s and to 200 km/h 20.6s. Second, that ams test was done is sequences: the M3 and C32 AMG were jointly tested in January under optimal temperature and humidity conditions also according to mag (and check the subsequent M3 CSL test done in July 2003) and the Audi times are a reproduction of the single test done over one month earlier. Third, the most reliable, truly doable and consistent times for M3 can probably be found in Sport Auto - the M3 is in the best sequence is 17.9s to 200km/h (tested many times - this is the latest and best result) and in many less skilled mags much above that; anything from 18.1s to north of 20s.

Yet, whatever the exact seconds, the M3 is a very, very fine car also dynamically and really fast enough - there is no need to present complete outliers to try to prove something completely pointless. What the new RS4 can actually either in the straightline or track we do not know - let us get back to this debate when Sport Auto has done their initial work.

[Erik]

I have a solution M&M.

If you don't like it don't buy it ;)

[Amar3lio]

Here is a photoshop simulation on a rs4 with some nicer wheels (at least for me)... in this case brabus look a like.

This is the color I would like to have on my RS4.... lava grey as seen in the a3....

what about the rs3 any news?

:rs4addict

[Fab]

Hi guys,

I am from Geneva Switzerland and I've been an audi fan for years now. I have been following this forum for few years as well as other French, German and Swiss forums. All of them have their own particularities but I have to admit that this is one of the most interesting one. You feel a lot of people are very well informed and deeply technical on various subjects.

I am very happy to finally be part of the community and look forward to have great time in the forum.

The main reason for me to finally register is that as many of you I have been waiting for the new RS4 release. My S4 is 4 years old know and it is time for me to change. Last March I paid for a reservation ticket (CHF 5'000.--) for the beast at my usual dealer in Geneva and as thinks are much clearer nom I am happy to post about it.

The RS4 will be at the Geneva motor show next week (definitely in the saloon version) and I will be there as usual.

I may meet some of you as I red that some planned to come.

Ciao

Fab:rs4kiss:

[Fab]

After my introduction I also would like to share my impressions about the car :

The car looks great, very agressive and the main changes as steering weel, rims, mirrors, seats look fantastic and will definitely clearly differentiate the RS4 from the rest of the A4 models.

Concerning the performances I am not disappointed as the numbers (to be confirmed with serious drive tests) are pretty impressive, but I was expecting slightly better. What p.... me a bit is that my brother in law currently drives a RS4 B5 ABT stage1 420hp and as stated in other posts in will probably be ahead in straight line races. Having said that the new car will deliver much more than the old one (sorry for old one) in terms of exclusive look, new technologies, handling, breaking and sounds at 8250 rpm :bow: by the way fuel consumption remains ok with a mix of 13.5 l.

Personally I am just waiting for the avant to be released (most probably by year end) to get delivery of it.

I have a couple of questions :

I red in the Audi.de web page that the rims will be available in 18" and 19". I guess the one on the various pics are 19" right with 255/35/19 tires right ?

What about the seats. Are they the only one avaible or a more classic Recaro version will be availble too ? My concern here being confort and heating seats....

Of course price is a big question mark for all of us. What is shure is that I will go for it no matter if I need to spend a bit more than anticipated.

I hope full specs and accessories and options will be disclosed soon.

Ciao

Fab

[quattro]

Hi Fab and welcome. There's already a "Fab5" member here, but another Fab is most welcome :D

Nice to see people write about their thoughts who have been lurking here before. Just because this place is called RS6.com doesn't mean people who like the RS4 aren't welcome. Three digit internet names are really scarce and since the owner of www.RS4.org deceided to by a Subaru it is waht it is nowadays. More people are certainly welcome to join the discussion.

So let's start...My personal opinions are here

Lovely to get a quattro with oversteer possibilities, and an agressive ESP (for me that's the opposite to "over-safe.") there to help you drive fast rather to stop you. But still there to save your "investment" if you get in trouble. No need to sweat when you push the "€75k button..." like the old RS4.
Start and Sport button is a nice touch. Not sure how cool in everyday life, but since I like buttons it's probably a plus :D

Adjustable damping control, adjustabel DRC. The DRC fitted to the RS6 made the RS6 go like a GT3 in high speed slalom.
DRC is a non-expensive system developed for motorbikes, and made the RS6 an excellent car to drive. I am sure the new DRC is tweaked to even better standrards, it means it will be up there with the GT3 and CSL.

The V8. V8 will give a lot better low end grunt and torque than the in-line six in the M3. The M3 is a lovely car, but in low rpms you can really feel the lack of power. Anyone who drove the S4 V8 knows what I means.

I hope the seats are more comfortable than the M3 CSL. Love the CSL for what it is and what it accomplishes, but the seats in the CSL are not for me - even short periods. Also, I hope it will be possible to get the seat in the RS4 really low. That is a big problem in the M3 for instance, my head hits the cealing. At least the RS4 seats look more comfortable, less extreme so let's wait and see.

Tuning. I am sure the RS4 can be tuned. EVERY car can be tuned!
I am sure the exhaust note can become really interesting!
I am also sure there are more hp to get, but it will be more difficult and might cost more than a chip. On the other hand every car that I chipped had problems...

Interior. Best in its class. Amazing! Others are FAR behind. Period.
I am sure there will be more comfortable seat available for business people rather than racers.

Exterior. They lost the S4 fenders? Probably the car is much wider than we can see on the pics (no A4 side by side). Love the side mirrors.
The wheels look very light and thank God they didn't use the old S4 or RS4 wheels again, that would have been so boring.
The BRAKES. Amazing! Good stuff!

Options
I hope that quattro GmbH will offer an extensive list of different options like they did with the RS6. Like sports exhaust etc.


Notes on acceleration.(the important one)
The M5 goes to 200 km/h in about 14 secs. Between 16.6 secs (RS4) there's not much room for the M3, and the M3 won't be faster than the M5 I think.
And this is on dry tarmac. Put in some everyday conditions and we'll see.
Most people I know don't even drive their M3, E55, C32 and whatever during winter.

Another important Q we should ask ourselves:
What other modern cars goes 0-200 km/h in 16.6 seconds?
The list is certaily not so long...and cars like the Volvo S60R (turbo) will get far far behind. And the competitors are not so easily tuned either.
Comments on this please!

Tracking the car at Nürburgring (and other exotic places).
I am sure there will be more RS4 mkII than mkI on the Nordschleife, because it will be a great car to drive there.
The old RS4 wasn't as slow as many people think, just not that fun to drive. The car is still heavy, but I think that's how people want it.
Most people don't track the car, but enjoy AC, radio and nice heavy seats rather than a millisecond faster laptime.
I think the lap time will be close to the M5, somewhere around 8:10 by sport auto. Soon we will know.

Conclusion:
Audi has done a great job. It is clear that they want to beat the competition and make the cars faster and more enjoyable to drive.
If you like, they are now ahead of BMW M3. Talk all you like about the next M3 V8 but it is not here yet. Audi lovers have always been used to wait for the next RS model, not the cards have swithed.
Audi beat BMW with the release of the B7 to the E90, and the RS4 is launched pretty much soon after the S4.
They listen to reviews and their customers, and perhaps RS6.com as well?
I am sure Neckarsulm people read here so HELLO and Guten Tag! :bye:
The interest seems to be HUGE. Just look at this thread. Soon 10.000 views in 3 days!!!

Dislikes:
Is there an RS4 badge on the side of the car? :trash:
I miss the DSG. But let's wait and see...

[tailpipe]

Sorry not to have posted a response sooner than this, but some of us have to work!!!

Wow!!!! It seems like the new RS4 is going to be everything we hoped it would be. I can't believe it weighs in at under 1600 kgs. Well done, Ingolstadters.

That engine is absolutely gorgeous, what a peach: 8250 rpm, 420 bhp and 0-200 kph in under 17 seconds. Phenomenal.

The interior is exactly what we've all come to expect from Audi. Beautiful and cool.

And to think you can hammer this car on winter roads. Anyome want to bet that this car doesn't lap the ring in under eight minutes?

Clearly, Audi's target with the RS4 Mk II wasn't the M3 CSL but the new M5. I think it'll just beat it in the dry, but totally demolish it in the wet.

So pleased my order went in months ago...

[QuattroFun]

Tailpipe,

Looking forward to your Geneva pics and share your enthusiasm regarding the attempts to make it as sporty as possible but personally think the engine tuning is too peaky as I was afraid of earlier. As a side remark, 3.93kg/bhp * 420bhp =>1650kg i.e. as expected, not below 1600kg.

[quattro]

Originally posted by tailpipe
Anyome want to bet that this car doesn't lap the ring in under eight minutes?

Yes. I am sure it won't. Not in the sport auto test anyway.

Unless Walter Rorhl is driving :D

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by quattro
Yes. I am sure it won't. Not in the sport auto test anyway.

Unless Walter Rorhl is driving :D

Or it having R-compound on

:hihi:

[Sims]

Originally posted by 8:29 RS6
Or it having R-compound on

:hihi:

Absolutely. I see the RS4 more as a CSL competitor (on the track).

The CSL has Cup tyres, and so should the RS4. I look forward to driving both at the 'Ring.:360:

[7:53 RS6]

Guys leave the 0-100 talk, my main intrest is how do it COMUNICATE whit the driver:rolleyes:

To drive it i hope its a big step forward if compered to the old RS4, cant wait to try:thumb:(im sure things have happend)

The new Golf GTI steering wheel is a trendsetter, love it:heart:

Its growing om me but I love Avants.:applause:

[5000S old skool]

Im thinking with this new quattro system that is more oversteer biased than understeer. It'll do the ring somewhere in the ballpark of 8:13 - 8:17.

[M&M]

Originally posted by tailpipe
...the new M5. I think it'll just beat it in the dry, but totally demolish it in the wet.


I accept evreyone's comments here but I really don't understand this comment. Maybe I'm stupid or something. How do you figure that it will beat an M5 in the dry?

[tailpipe]

It's a thing called traction, my dear friend.

Without power to front wheels M5 has a tendancy to oversteer on the limit, a characteristic reduced by traction control, that reduces power when wheels start to slip. As a result, RS4 is likely to go into corners faster and come out faster.

But as I said, I think it'll be very close in the dry. I happen to know for sure that the benchmark for RS4 testing was M5 not M3 CSL.

The RS4 has one other advantage over M5, the engine doesn't detonate if pushed to the limit... :hihi:

[M&M]

With a 12.5:1 compression ratio & FSi I reckon the RS4 will have more detonation problems than an M5. But what do I know?

ANd I think its common knowledge that handling & traction are two separate concepts. I's like to see the RS4 with the fantastic quattro traction do 7:52.

[R8isGreat]

HEre we go again!:cry: :cry: :cry:

Traction and handeling are Very related, because without traction comes understear and overstear. (refuse to say push) Handeling absolutly presupposed that you have traction. Quattro means you have more traction at speed.

Does 13 posts and 10 against the RS4 classify one as a "HATER?"

[5000S old skool]

I just wonder how many Audi guys go to the M5 board and bag on the M5 blowing up..

[Erik]

OK, for the xx time... :eye:

Could we NOT have the discussion of which engine is going to blow up
and leave it until the M5, RS4 etc. have seen the roads for a while and we know about FACTS.

[Klint]

Fo.....Me, that's a stunner. :D :D

Thanks for the pics, Erik! Some looks as though you had to bve a real James Bond to snap them... ;)

[Erik]

Another movie from Audi.

Some history and then the RS4

http://mfile.akamai.com/9027/mov/audi02.download.akamai.com/9027/quattronight/quattro_kurz_300k.mov

http://imgs.partys-bei-uns.de/2005/2005-02-21_audi-ingolstadt/imgs2/ro-2005-2978.jpg

[rks838]

I'm trying not to drag this on, but the source with incredibly accomplished drivers who spend their lives racing the Nurburgring says 8:13 for the M5. I really don't believe 7:52...a Murcielago with the same weight (OK, 100lbs lighter) lapped in 7:50 with 70 more horsepower and I-don't-know how much more torque, but the M5 only has 384. It's hard to imagine a 4000+ pound, 192-inch sedan lapping the Ring in 7:52 with only 384 lb-ft. of torque...Maybe 8:08, but seeing how that source said the 997 Carrera laps in 8:16, I don't exactly trust them. The old Carrera lapped in 8:17, and I've seen times of 8:11, 8:12, and another 8:12 for the 997. You can't trust anyone without a proof of their time anymore - one of the 4 U.S. magazines just said that the STS-V - ha! - lapped the Nurburgring in under 8:00, and that is clearly BS. They're a lotta claims out there, but you have to have a trusty source like track-challenge.com or Sport Auto. But I'd be glad to see some proof...no arguing with that.

I have a lotta trouble thinking the RS4 will lap in under 8:00, but tailpipe, you seem pretty confident about your claims, like you have a brother or a best friend who lapped the Ring in an RS4 himself. Well, I hope...

[5000S old skool]

are there any shots of the back seats??

[jstahmann]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Erik
[B]This thread is under constant update...


FYI, I took the above pictures and RS6.com has put their logo on them, in effect taking credit for them.

I'd appreciate it if you'd give me the proper credit for the pictures, and remove your logo from them.

Also, I took down my video due to too many linking to it. I'm working getting a couple of mirrors for the video.

Thanks.

John Stahmann
Audiworld.com

( EDIT. Thanks John, see my reply below / Erik )

[R8isGreat]

Ummmmmm????/

Anyway:vhmmm:

Thanks for posting them AGAIN on RS6.COM:addict:

Sorry we altered you pictures for our own use.:cry:

[M&M]

Originally posted by R8isGreat

Traction and handeling are Very related, because without traction comes understear and overstear. (refuse to say push) Handeling absolutly presupposed that you have traction. Quattro means you have more traction at speed.


I am not a hater, If you read my posts you will see that I am just disappointed that Audi didn't use this opportunity to gain a significant advantage that no upcoming competitors will supercede in a years time.

But back to your point on traction. Have you ever done any circuit racing? I will keep the didcussion brand-independant so that no-one can accuse me of being derogatory to any brand.

Handling is a black art. It involves a lot more than traction. Such as:

- Weight
- Weight distribution
- Suspension geometry & set-up
- Camber
- Tyres & grip

There's a lot more than those I got off the top of my head. Now a 4WD car's only advantage over RWD is traction. Now let me ask you this. Have you driven a powerful stock RWD car on a track? Have you ever had traction problems in a straight line?

Most tracks you never use 1st gear. In fact one would hardly use 2nd gear as well. Maybe a tight turn or a hairpin, you woud go down to 2nd gear. Now drive a stock RWD car & go into 2nd slowly. Then stomp the pedal. On a smooth racetrack, you aren't going to wheelspin unless you have 1000hp.

Traction problems are if you have to launch from standtill & on the shift from 1st to 2nd gear. But on a track you never launch & you are already in 2nd gear at the slowest point. Therefore, the traction will not ever be a problem in a straight line.

So, let's move onto the corners. A lot of people believe that 4WD gives you more grip. That is absolutely not true. Grip is a function of your tyres, tyre width, & suspension set-up, etc.

I'm sure you are aware of the vector of forces acting on a tyre during cornering. The forces are cumulative. So cornering & accelerative forces add up. 4WD does distribute the tractive load amongst 4 wheels instead of 2. So the rear wheels will have a bit more lateral G's available for cornering on a 4WD car. Reason being some of the tractive forces are gone to the front wheels.

However, most OEM's put a staggered set-up on RWD's for this reason. The rear tyres are wider on RWD cars because they have to accept all the power & corner. SO the contact patc is larger & it can offer more grip before it gives up. But now let's look at this fact. All OEM's design a car to understeer on the limit for safety reasons.

That means the suspension on all cars are designed so that the front wheels lose grip before the rears. So the front wheels on a car are more important that the rears when it comes to corner entry. I ask you this. Does it matter how much grip is available on the rears once the fronts start to slide? Hell no. You will have to lift to get the nose in, & then apple throttle. You could have bagloads of grip available at the rear (because of 4WD splitting the loas), but it won't help if the front is sliding.

So remember there's no such thing as a free meal. If you want 4WD means that the front wheels will accept power. So that means there is less grip available for cornering. Ever stop to think why 4WD's understeer like they do. Because the front wheels are trying to corner & put power down. On a RWD all the front wheels do are corner. They have 100% of their lateral grip available for cornering.

And as we've seen the front wheels are very important when you are setting up the car for the corner. Once you've turned in, then the 4WD car will have better traction coming out of a tight 2nd gear turn. But this advantage is only for a metre or 2. 4WD will not help for 99% of the track. And if the track does not have any hairpins or tight bends, then 4WD is just extra weight to carry. You guys do realise that when you aren't on the throttle your car is a no wheel drive car. So in every braking zone, every corner & after the 1st few metres of every straight 4WD is no different to RWD.

The advantages of 4WD are traction, especially under indifferent conditions, & the fact that its easier to go fast in.

[Erik]

FYI, I took the above pictures and RS6.com has put their logo on them, in effect taking credit for them.

I'd appreciate it if you'd give me the proper credit for the pictures, and remove your logo from them.

Thanks.

John Stahmann
Audiworld.com


John, I updated the first page and included your name twice.
The RS6.com logo is an automatic feature from the Gallery.
Just let me know if you like me to remove them, just pm me and they are gone.
I take a lot of photos myself so I know how it can be, don't want to take
your credit for taking them. Sorry for any inconvenience.

:asian:

[tailpipe]

Originally posted by rks838
[I have a lotta trouble thinking the RS4 will lap in under 8:00, but tailpipe, you seem pretty confident about your claims, like you have a brother or a best friend who lapped the Ring in an RS4 himself. Well, I hope... [/B]

The production version may not lap the Ring in under 8, but I know for a fact that several test versions have. I believe they've tested the engine beyond 500bhp. They know that at 420 bhp the thing is bullet-proof. Audi spent a lot of time at the Ring testing when BMW was having problems with the new V-10. The Audi boys do not rate the BMW V-10 at all.

Actually, the most incredible thing about the new RS4 is the times around the Ring that relative novices have been able to achieve. In skilled hands nothing can touch it. They have changed something in the steeering that makes it much more direct.

[clam]

M&M, if AWD is inferior to RWD, can you explain why quattro is banned/restriced from/in every major circuit championship?

What you say is true, AWD is prone to understeer. BUT, in motorsport they apply tricks to balance the car. Like a relatively soft rear suspension set-up (causing more rear slip), and a big wing to hold it down. The drivers themselves also have a number of techniques to navigate corners with AWD. At the end of the day, AWD will be faster than RWD in most situations. Hence the restrictions, or outright ban, in motorsport.

Now it's hard to apply these tricks to road car, but this RS4 has an asymetric AWD (40:60), which should balance the forces on the tryes, eliminating the unwanted understeer.
Lamborghini and Porsche have a similer 30:70 set up.

RWD is more "pure" to drive, b/c you have independent control of the rear slip angle. I'll give you that. But AWD has proven its worth over and over again.

[M&M]

Yeah, but race cars have massive negative camber, slicks & trick suspensions. One can make a racecar corner how you like. I believe the quttro domination was due to the superior suspension of those cars, & everyone wrongly gave quattro the as the reason for their domination.

Why does a 911 C2 lap so much faster than a C4. What about a GT2 vs 911 turbo?

[clam]

I'm glad you brought up the Porsche.

Porsche is 4WD, not AWD. It's a similar system to Haldex (Golf, TT), only in reverse. Instead of a differential, they use a clutch. There are several problems with this:

* The clutch works with oil pressure, and this has enormous drivetrain losses.
* The clutch has no differential function. It can only shift power one-way.
* The system reacts to grip loss. It performs a function similar to that of ESP, but uses acceleration instead of deceleration. This is especially true for the Haldex clutch, which is inactive most of the time at 95:5.
The obvious problem with these 'speed-sensitive' systems is that undesirable wheel spin has already occured well in advance of its detection. A real AWD system like quattro delays the loss of traction, while these clutch systems only "catch it".

These VC clutch system do have two advantages:
- They are cheap
- You can put the clutch just about anywhere (while a real AWD differential has to be near, or integrated in the gearbox). So it's easier to install, and can be used to improve weight balance. I suspect, this is their primairy function in the TT/Golf.

Basically, the VC systems are safety systems, and do not improve traction much. That's why they will be slower than their 2WD counterparts.
Quattro drastically improves traction.

[quattro]

Porsche and Volvo used a similar system.

Porsche is still using the old system, but Volvo switched to Haldex.



Porsche 996 C2 vs. C4

http://www.track-challenge.com/main_e.asp?useframe=comparison1d_e.asp?Car1=19%26C ar2=35

Considering the C4 is much heavier I don't think it is that much slower than the C2. Also we don't know the conditions when the C2 drove, C4 was less than ideal.

The 996 Turbo vs. the GT2, not comparing apples to apples any longer.

On the other hand, the specs of the 420 hp 996 Turbo and the new RS4 are very similar... :D

[quattro]

Originally posted by M&M
I believe the quttro domination was due to the superior suspension of those cars, & everyone wrongly gave quattro the as the reason for their domination.

Yeah right. :rotflmao:

It's not like Audi is the only one in the world using Ohlins and that the world of racing didn't discover this.

Like someone said. If you don't like it don't buy it... :bye:

[M&M]

I didn't say I don't like it. I love the looks and the engine. Seems like a gem. I may still buy one if the price is right. But I personally am disappointed with the performance. That's all. I'm sure a few of you also expected more.

And when it comes to race teams, be it FWD, RWD or 4WD, a good team will make the race car handle.

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by quattro

On the other hand, the specs of the 420 hp 996 Turbo and the new RS4 are very similar... :D

Tru, but if i remember right the Porsche turbo on track-challenge have r-tiers, or maybee i remember wrong. Dident bother to check before i wright this.

:p

[quattro]

Originally posted by M&M
But I personally am disappointed with the performance.

Everybody needs and expects more. But development can't go to 1000 hp, that's just nonsense. Most of the buyers are more interested in comfort, and somebody has got to draw the line.

The last year's development has been going at warp speed, and most of these family sedans are as fast or faster than many Porsches!
We can't expect them to be Carrera GTs or Zondas, there's got to be room for every car and for marketing reasons you can't expect a car to be totally out of its segment.

When most of us were young cars were measured in 0 - 80 km/h, now it's 0-200 or 0-250 km/h. Huge difference!

I say it again. Name a couple of modern family or affordable sports cars
that will do 0-200 km/h in sub 17 seconds.

[quattro]

Originally posted by 8:29 RS6
Tru, but if i remember right the Porsche turbo on track-challenge have r-tiers, or maybee i remember wrong.

It's on Pirelli P Zero. The only standard car I know with r-compound is the M3 CSL.

[Amar3lio]

I don´t believe that the RS4 will have any advantage by using AWD at least in terms of pure performance.

I´m a great audi fan but even a bigger one of BMW and I don´t seem to remeber one audi that could beat a BMW of the same kind. I still don´t believe that a new RS4 can beat a E46 CSL anywhere. On the rain? maybe you have more control but in joy of ride.... no way José ! but this without the racing compound the bimmer uses.... put it on zero´s....

The RS6 is not better than the M5 by any means, nor is it quicker, neither in the wet it will take advantage...

And if you take central diffs and haldex´s to take an advantage on a BMW why don´t you consider the M5´s lunch control... I put my money on the bimmer any time baby.

And take the times of the CSL and the new RS4 and compare... the CSL doesn´t have traction control.... the time on the ring? it´s a wild guess but not even close...

Now that the audi will be easier to be quick in the wet no doubt, but you don´t wan´t to wait that it rains to beat your oponent... it´s a every day life not a rainy one.

The marginal advantage the audi has compared with the CSL in some chapters is not good enough... E90 M3 is arriving. and when it does...... bye bye RS !

and traction isn´t everything.... consider weight, power balance (almost 50:50 on the bimmer.... ideal? you bet), suspension, gearbox, Nm and engine behaviour.....

But that´s just me.... I say let´s compare it for real and not talk bull=#$% before watching it for real.

Nevertheless the new RS4 rocks, good looks, good engine beautifful interiors

[tailpipe]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amar3lio
[B]I don´t believe that the RS4 will have any advantage by using AWD at least in terms of pure performance.

I think you seriously underestimate Audi's commitment in terms of human and financial resources to being the leading premium car brand.

The RS4 is the first of a new breed of Audis. Though the B7 platform lacks the mechanical purity in terms of weight distribution and balance of a BMW M3, it more than compensates for this with the technical quality of its 4WD and other systems as well as with engine performance. The revised Torsen system will give it a degree of traction into and out of corners that the M3 CSL cannot match. FSI in V8 form is probably the best V-8 in series production. That's for now.

In terms of future everday saloon car performance, Audi will totally eclipse BMW with the new B8 platform. It combines an optimal weight distribution with the many advantages of front wheel drive. The result is a car with dynamics that imake its engine power more usable, more of the time, all year round, on all roads. In Quattro form, it will completely match the balance and handling dynamics of a traditional BMW layout. In FWD form, it will be be totally predictable and safe on the limit. The thing to remember here is that BMW's technical solutions are just a point of view, not the gospel of handling dynamics.

The Le Mans, Nuvolari and next RS6 models, which will all appear during the next 3 years, will also push Audi's technical credentials forward. In the meantime, the extent to which the new A6 is leaping ahead of the 5-Series needs to be seen to be believed. It has forced BMW to add 4WD systems to its 5-Series line-up, but compared to Quattro, X-drive is prehistoric. Perhaps the the best way to describe the real difference between Audi and BMW at this time is that BMW is a quality manufacturer going for increased volumes while Audi is a volume manufacturer going for increased quality.

Like you, I too am a big BMW fan. I drive an M3. Sadly, the quality on this car in my expereince has been terrible. My engine failed after a long European trip. BMW has since recalled all M3s to fit new engine parts. I have expereinced four other fairly major component failures. The death of BMW quality is a big shock. It is only equalled by my surpise at the efforts Audi is making with its cars to improve them. Luckily, I spotted this trend some months ago and I am pretty near the front of the line for a new RS4.

Let's hope BMW can raise its game.

[Amar3lio]

I agree with everything you say with the exception of maybe the quality item...

Regarding your M3 sorry that you´ve experienced that kind of problems, I´ve never had any problem what so ever with the bimmer.... but there are always ups and downs i can tell you that a big friend stoped in it´s S4 on the middle of nowhere because of the electrics of the audi that just died....

I also mention a big thumb´s up for the audi´s engine, interiors, etc.. in my post just read it till the end.

What i mean is not to bring the RS4 down is just a kind of frustation of waiting for the ultimate audi and it never arrives or arrives late, very late

m3 is 6 years old at least and only 6 years later you have a audi that matches it...

The new rs6 is yet to appear and bmw will have a club version of the m5 and latter a csl version.... so you can have your new model rs6+ and still don´t have a matche.....

get what i intend? it´s a criticism but a good one..... but as i told before, i love audi´s but wouldn´t trade the csl for the rs4

[M&M]

Originally posted by tailpipe
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amar3lio
[B]
In terms of future everday saloon car performance, Audi will totally eclipse BMW with the new B8 platform.

And you know this how? Hasn't the 3-series been the benchmark in driving dynamics for the past 10 years? Haven't Audi & MErc been saying they will surpass the 3-series every time they release a new model. Haven't they failed every time. I'm not talking about who's got better cupholders here.

[McBurn4ever]

Originally posted by Amar3lio
I don´t believe that the RS4 will...


I'm not saying that you are wrong, but for me it is not all about performance....it is the total experience of owning a car..
And when you look at it in that way there is no way that BMW plays in the same league as Audi...no way what so ever..

There is a reason why the Audi A6 recently won the title ”World Car of the Year” and why the readers of german "auto motor & sport" think that Audi A3, A4, A6 and A8 all are better than the competition...


If I was looking for a car with the features you talk about I would go for the Porsche 996 GT3RS...without hesitation..


And one more thing.
Right now on www.auto-motor-und-sport.de there is a poll
On Was ist für Sie die aufregendste Werkstuning-Serie?
(What is the most exciting carmodell for you?)

Guess what!
Yes! Audi is in the lead... :hahahehe:

Audi RS: 40%
BMW M: 35%
Ford ST: 3%
MB AMG: 14%
Opel OPC: 9%


:rs4addict http://mcburn4ever.com/996turbo/porsche911turbo.gif

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by quattro
It's on Pirelli P Zero. The only standard car I know with r-compound is the M3 CSL.

I rememerd it as Pirelli P Zero Corsa r-t, my misstake.

[Ebx]

Originally posted by Amar3lio
The new rs6 is yet to appear And so has the new M5, at least to end users. The "old" RS6 beat the "old" M5.

[Erik]

Originally posted by Ebx
The "old" RS6 beat the "old" M5.

True. But they are close.

I can't beleive the number of people who can't read the facts.
Here's the link, don't shut your eyes. Click and read and tell me what you see!

http://www.track-challenge.com/main_e.asp?useframe=comparison1_e.asp?Car1=53%26Ca r2=3

My good old friend even passed the M5 Ring Taxi in his stock RS6 Avant.
The "only" modification was r-tires. But still that's a professional race
driver (Sabine was not driving) vs. a normal driver with perhaps 60 laps behind him.
Did they have more fun and "feeling" driving the M5? Perhaps.
Was the M5 slower than a station wagon with automatic? Yes.


And then there's the RS6 Plus :hahahehe: :bye:

[rks838]

The RS6 is not better than the M5 by any means, nor is it quicker, neither in the wet it will take advantage...

Let's compare the 2003 RS6 to the 2003 M5, because both the new versions are still in development. RS6 goes 0-60mph in 4.3 (Automobile, Motor Trend), 0-100mph in 10.4 (Automobile) or 10.7 (Motor Trend), and around the Ring in 8:20 (track-challenge.com). I don't know the sources, but the fastest M5 times I've seen were 4.6, 11.1, and 8:28 (track-challenge.com), respectively. Both go around the skidpad at .90g, and the RS6 goes through the slalom at 68.7, compared with the best M5 speed of 67.x (I forget the sources - I'm sure others can verify these). The RS6 even got better fun-to-drive ratings than the M5 in Road and Track and Car and Driver, the most important "figure" to many people.

In the wet, the RS6 definitely holds an advantage over the M5 - I don't think I need to explain this in detail. The RS6 can reach its full potential in virtually any condition, while the M5 can only reach its full potential in dry weather. At any given location on any given day in the world, there is a 1/3 chance it will rain. 120 days a year is a lot for $75,000 machine not to do what it's supposed to be able to do...

Besides, the RS6's interior, features, and yes, cupholders are better than the M5's. In addition, I'm 6'4 and for a midsize sedan that is 191 inches long, the M5 has zero space inside, especially the back seat. My knees hit the back of front-passenger seat and my head was hitting the roof. The RS6 literally has room to spare in both of those compartments...


I believe the quttro domination was due to the superior suspension of those cars, & everyone wrongly gave quattro the as the reason for their domination.

This sounds like a desperate attempt to prove BMW is better than Audi. Do you really think you know more than the engineers, drivers, analysts, writers, etc. who spend their lives working with and evaluating cars? "I believe the rest of the world is wrong and it's actually the suspension..."


i can tell you that a big friend stoped in it´s S4 on the middle of nowhere because of the electrics of the audi that just died....

This too. Amar3lio, this sounds like it was made up in five seconds. "Yea man, the car just died in the middle of nowhere. The electronics just died and left my poor helpless friend in the middle of nowhere." Right...

Remember to think a little before you write...and "read the facts."

[M&M]

I have to agree with the guys here. The RS6 is definitely quicker than the E39 M5 in a straight line. On a track I'm not so sure about, but I guess it will be close. I recall the M5 being quicker around Hockenheim, but depending on the type of track it could go either way.

Now, onto the next generations. Seeing as the RS4 is normally aspirated, I see that this is the trend Audi's RS division is taking. In the RS4 press release they mention FSi & the high rev concept as being the way forward.

So I assume they will take a V10, but on Fsi, & tune it. But just lik the new RS4 vs old, I doubt the new RS6 will be much faster than the car it replaces. But the E60 M5 is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the E39. Over 4 seconds faster to 200km/h. 107 hp more with less weight & 7 gears.

I hope for the sake of competition & evolution of the species that I am wrong, but I don't see Audi being able to dominate the E60 M5.

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by Erik
True. But they are close.

I can't beleive the number of people who can't read the facts.
Here's the link, don't shut your eyes. Click and read and tell me what you see!

http://www.track-challenge.com/main_e.asp?useframe=comparison1_e.asp?Car1=53%26Ca r2=3

My good old friend even passed the M5 Ring Taxi in his stock RS6 Avant.
The "only" modification was r-tires. But still that's a professional race
driver (Sabine was not driving) vs. a normal driver with perhaps 60 laps behind him.
Did they have more fun and "feeling" driving the M5? Perhaps.
Was the M5 slower than a station wagon with automatic? Yes.


And then there's the RS6 Plus :hahahehe: :bye:

That would be me and the girl ring taxidriver was Claudia Hurtgen and that girl is no rookie in motorsport.(do a googel and see)

Erik whats whit the Normal driver :( :D

[Erik]

Originally posted by M&M
On a track I'm not so sure about, but I guess it will be close. I recall the M5 being quicker around Hockenheim, but depending on the type of track it could go either way.

Correct, it is very much depending on what track you are on.

To dominate the new M5 you need a supersportscar.

I guess Audi's reply will be an RS6 with some kind of V10 Gallardo engine in it. There's already talks about an upgraded Gallardo engine, so as usual creating hp is not the problem.

[Benman]

Originally posted by M&M
I am not a hater, If you read my posts you will see that I am just disappointed that Audi didn't use this opportunity to gain a significant advantage that no upcoming competitors will supercede in a years time.

I find this slightly ammusing. OK, let's make the RS 4 SO FAR AHEAD that it would take the competition YEARS to catch up. Hmm..., the only vehicle that has come even close to doing that sort of thing is, you guessed it, the Mac F1. It was a vehicle that FROM THE START was created to be the kind of vehicle that would take YEARS for the competition to catch up (and to this day some are still waiting:D ).

The simple fact that technology will progess makes it easier and easier for TODAY'S cars to beat those of the past. The only way to make a car SO GOOD that the competition is hopelessly behind would be to put a TON of research into making and building it (i.e. Mac F1). But then you have a REAL problem, $$$. Any RS 4 that would be so good that it would take ANY BMW (M5, M3, whatever) to catch up to it even after 5-10 years had gone by would cost so much money that you'd have people (i.e. M&M) saying, "Oh my goodness, can you believe how much Audi is trying to charge for that thing!?!"

Then the response would be, "Yes but look at it's performance, it's simply INCREDIBLE!"

And then the reply would be "But not for that kinda $$$".

My point is ALL manufactures (except Mac) build cars that they KNOW will be eclipsed by the competition after "only" a few years. That's why they freaking call it COMPETITION. And BESIDES that, if Audi made the RS 4 THAT good then it would have to worry about IT'S future models being able to "best" it's performance (something the Mac F1 DIDN'T have to worry about!!!).

Let's admit, that for HERE AND NOW, the RS 4 will be sweet and eclipse the PRESENT competition. We'll worry about the "new" M3 when it comes out!:cheers:

Ben:addict: :rs4addict

[5000S old skool]

Originally posted by M&M
[B] [Seeing as the RS4 is normally aspirated, I see that this is the trend Audi's RS division is taking./B]

No, if i remember correctly, this is the only RS that Audi plans on being N/A. This was to prove that Audi, too can produce a high specific out put N/A engine.

[rks838]

Yes, it does depend on what type of track you're on. The only reason I use the Nurburgring is because it seems to have elements of every track in it - straightaways, tight turns, long sweepers, etc. The Nurburgring is the closest I can come to evaluating a car's total performance, but there have got to be billions of other ways, including other tracks...for what it's worth, the M5 went around Hockenheim in 1:18.5, the RS6 in 1:17.6 (track-challenge.com). But I remember seeing the M5 beat the RS6 on some track...

[7:53 RS6]

I enjoy that its so much talk about tracks and grip and moore on this forum nowdays:race: Keep it up.

As far as my thinking of RS cars vs M cars. And not talking cupholders or space here. Or rain even i know it rains a lot. Maybee thats unfair but its only my thinking. For what its worth.

(Not thinking of M5 E60 and the new RS4 cuse that i have no experiense of yet.)


Up to now my impression is that M cars always have deliver moore drivingfun than RS cars. Also i think the interaction between motor and gearbox has been superior in the M cars. As well as steering and the sportier handling in total. No news.

Exampel I mean when i drove my old RS4 at the ring or other track. And then direktly changed to drive my friends M3 E46 or all other M cars i had you can not say the S4/RS4/RS6 feels sporty or exact if compared.

M3(M cars) is to now anyway so much moore communicating and fun.Sorry but thats my feel and i also had S4/S6/RS4/RS6/ . But for sure the S/RS cars are better at much, but in above text i said i leave that out.

And im still impressed of how good grip the RWD M3 have even moore the CSL. Now im not saying the old RS4 is not a fast car, it is. But thats not all that matters im my mind.

Well i hope this belong to the past, and obvusly this was not news for Audi. Considering they now are loading the gun whit new thinking.

I hope The new RS4 deliver pure driving joy, the old sure did not, but still it was very fast!

New RS4 is not a competitor to CSL that someone said even they are nearly same weight/hp. The CSL is so much moore, onley the carbonfiber roof do magic to its handeling and there are moore.

As other here mentioned the aim is moore to M5 E60.



:cheers:

[rks838]

As far as my thinking of RS cars vs M cars. And not talking cupholders or space here. Or rain even i know it rains a lot. Maybee thats unfair but its only my thinking. For what its worth.

But those qualities are some of the biggest attributes of RS cars. Not the little things, but overall practicality. RS cars have a major practical advantage that includes weather, space, and even cupholders :hahahehe:. I've seen a 3-series slide down a hill in the snow, and a 545i almost crash in the rain entering a traffic circle because his wheels spun, and however unsafe these events are, something about them is satisfying...knowing that you spent all that money on a car that can get you somewhere safely (the most basic reason for any form of transportation) on any day of the week. Then again, if one were actually being practical, he wouldn't spend %70,000-$90,000 on a car that does the same thing as a $20,000 Subaru...and in good weather, a $9,000 Kia...or, if you measure practicality in terms of money and not time, a $3000 moped...or a $200 bicycle...or even a healthy pair of legs...

As for fun-to-drive, the magazines widely favored the RS6 over the M5 (at least in America) and went 50:50 for the S4 versus the M3. In America, most M drivers croon about hteir cars' performance and fun-to-drive qualities, but many (really, the majority) have never even heard of RS, moreover driven one. That makes sense, because only 1000 or so have ever been in the US. But in Germany, where everybody knows about both divisions, they are favoring RS according to that online magazine poll that somebody mentioned - but it's close, 40% RS to 35% M, with the other votes being for other performance divisions. I think RS is on the rise, for fun-to-drive, performance, recognition, and maybe overall superiority. BMW is rising too, but I don't think it has the speed or especially the momentum of the RS division, considering the customers it has lost with its styling. But it's all about opinion...

[SpinEcho]

This is the type of debate repeated on many car enthusiast forums, and I just I don't get it. If so many of you are track day junkies, what the hell are you doing trying to debate the finer points of racing around in 3-4,000 lb. tanks? If you're serious about tracking, why don't you buy a nice, light track machine? I mean, it's not like anyone here is short on funds if they can afford to abuse an RS or M car on a circuit!

[Bauer]

[i]

So I assume they will take a V10, but on Fsi, & tune it. But just lik the new RS4 vs old, I doubt the new RS6 will be much faster than the car it replaces. But the E60 M5 is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the E39. Over 4 seconds faster to 200km/h. 107 hp more with less weight & 7 gears.

I hope for the sake of competition & evolution of the species that I am wrong, but I don't see Audi being able to dominate the E60 M5. [/B]

Don't be so sure about this...look at the weight reduction in the RS4....remember it is about more then power. Also, if they get the DSG in the next RS6 that will reduce times as well, more so then SMG (not huge but there) which I have to believe they will.

An RS6 with less weight, quicker gear box and 50 or so more hp will be faster. Not to metion the chassis will be stiffer and the 60/40 power split. I also would not be suprised to see a LSD as well. Add to that better weight dist. The next RS6 should be a monster that I think the E60 will have a hard time with.

As for the comment quattro is not an advantage and that it is suspension only.....you have got to be kidding. This comment shows your lack of knowlagde about quattro or maybe you are just blinded by RWD.

[RS4Ever]

Originally posted by Tanner
Nice video thanks for putting it up. :D Hope you can post a longer one in the future.

Unfortunately I hear that this is again going to be a no show for Canada... not enough interested in spending large amounts of cash on a car like this. It's too bad. They didn't keep Canada in mind in developing the car and especially meeting the stricter crash tests here. :vgrumpy:


Tanner My friend...

you and your canadian friends were not :nono: forgotten....

:hihi: "Both the USA and Canada will be graced with the presence of the RS4, though pricing has yet to be confirmed."


Click me - Full Article (http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publish/Audi_News/article_1070.shtml) :rs4addict


i bet you went from this :doh: :cry: :( to this.. :wo: :bigeyes: :bow: :rs4addict :brag: :wo:

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by SpinEcho
This is the type of debate repeated on many car enthusiast forums, and I just I don't get it. If so many of you are track day junkies, what the hell are you doing trying to debate the finer points of racing around in 3-4,000 lb. tanks? If you're serious about tracking, why don't you buy a nice, light track machine? I mean, it's not like anyone here is short on funds if they can afford to abuse an RS or M car on a circuit!

SpinE, this debate is going on a life time nor we like it or understand it. Maybee that the fun.

Flipside, its a lot of talk on to be safe in 4wd as far as traction and so, and cupholders and rommy cars aswell, that do not make me say geeee why dont you guys buy a Jeep instead and drive around in that.

We all like to talk about diffrent things like, tracks or tuning or straight forward driving or say the best way to clean the car.

Its not all about track, you notice this diffrenses on street as well.
But whats intresting whit tracks and race is most of the tecnologi and stuff in cars are developed on track( or simulated terms) and then passed on to the normal steet car i guess. To make it preform and be safe and more.

And of coures its about money. All the time i stress my cars at track and the money that cost would not take me far in motorsport.

But i may this year get the chance to join to drive in the VLN at Nurburgring in Team Schwedenkreuz. Getting all nervous when thinking of it,,,,,,,,,180 starting cars at the Ring!

PS the budget for Team Schwedenkreuz car to join 24 houers at the ring is around 60000 Euro. The budget to drive just a 2 houers stint at VLN at the ring is around 4500 Euro. Thats for 120 minuts onley. For this money you can use your owne car a lot moore than 120minuts whit tiers and the lot. Sure there are Chepper racing like the Chrysler Neons in Sweden. But even this is 1630 Euro for 180 min, and we do it sometimes but its not super:MTM: fun.

[carlos]

Originally posted by SpinEcho
This is the type of debate repeated on many car enthusiast forums, and I just I don't get it. If so many of you are track day junkies, what the hell are you doing trying to debate the finer points of racing around in 3-4,000 lb. tanks? If you're serious about tracking, why don't you buy a nice, light track machine? I mean, it's not like anyone here is short on funds if they can afford to abuse an RS or M car on a circuit!

Im with you SpinEcho, if track is so important better get some GT3, elise or other light machines. In my opnion i want four doors, comfort, quattro ( sliperry mexican roads) and other type of gadgets. Dont get me wrong i also like performance but my track dats are 2-4 times a year so that leaves a lot of days for the other important stuff.

And if you insist in which is better lets wait for a magaine test, and still you may have the M cars winning several things and RS in others. This would go on for quite a while. At least i can tell i learn a lot from the forum even from other cars i dont care much about them. :idea:

[Erik]

Originally posted by carlos
(slippery mexican roads)

http://www.rs6.com/pics/Various/Mexico-3.jpg

:0:

http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4407&highlight=mexico

[Finnus]

I've followed this ping pong match with some interest. Lets face it, each manufacturer is always trying to one-up the competition - but only a few steps at a time. I have to believe that Audi, BMW and Merc have clear development strategies for the next 5 years, anticipating each others moves to stay one step ahead of the competition.

I personally am all for the performance wars - we get better and better machines.

But its not a linear process. The E55 still seems to be the fastest straight line machine, unless BMW has seriously underestimated the 0-60 on the new M5. The 2002 RS6 better outperform the 1999 M5 and likewise the new 2005 M5 should outperform the 2002 RS6, and so on ... We all know they're all great cars and we're really splitting hairs.

Benman nailed it on the head with the prohibitive cost of producing something that dramatically and completely slams the competition. But there's a lot of room in between. I agree with M&M and would have liked to see the new RS4 with stronger performance numbers and that Audi missed a real opportunity. But that's on paper and we all know there's more to performance than those numbers. Lets reserve judgement until the cars are released, tested and compared (by the trade as well as by RS6.com members).

Additionally, for many of us the questions is, when do you jump on the band wagon and buy the latest Beast (when you know there are such exciting developments just around the next turn)?

Finnus
:addict:

[Benman]

Originally posted by Finnus
I've followed this ping pong match with some interest.

Additionally, for many of us the questions is, when do you jump on the band wagon and buy the latest Beast (when you know there are such exciting developments just around the next turn)?

Finnus
:addict:

I agree. Being content is the key. It's very hard for some when something "newer and better" is out there. But as you mentioned this will always be the case. When I purchased my RS 6, it was for the long haul. It wasn't something that I was planning on trading in the second something "better" came along. I would LOVE to have the RS 4 as well but it is very unlikely I could swing both. It will be nice to have the original RS model that ever made it "legally" Stateside. Future RS models will come and go, but this was the very first RS taste we ever got Stateside and the Beast will be with the family for some time.

For those that can swing BOTH...:cheers: (and then, just wait for the Le Mans to come out!:0: )

Ben:addict:

[Finnus]

It will be nice to have the original RS model that ever made it "legally" Stateside.

Ben,

Not to metnion the limited edition aspect ...

And I still love the lines and aggressive stance as much as the day I got it!

Finnus
:addict:

[sturs6]

Originally posted by Benman
It will be nice to have the original RS model that ever made it "legally" Stateside.
Ben:addict:
Anyone have contact with dealers... any dates?
Ha I started page 13!!!!!:rs4addict

[rks838]

Whoa! I just realized an important detail - the new RS4 has a measly 317 lb.-ft. of torque! Somebody tell me my calcs are off! That's only 15 more than the S4, which could be $25,000 less! Has Audi fallen into the same hole as BMW, Honda, etc. - 100hp per liter w/ high revs but not much low end grunt? This can be noted of the M3, new M5, S2000, etc. M3: 333hp, 262lb.-ft. torque, noted lack of low end grunt. M5: 500hp, 384lb.-ft., relatively slow 4.7 time to 60 (reflective of low end grunt?). S2000: 240hp, 162lb.-ft., noted lack of low end grunt. However, the horsepower seems to kick in in all of these cars at higher speeds. The M5 really goes fast to 200kph (13 or 14 seconds, they claim), and the M3 and S2000 seem to pick up the pace too. Could this explain Audi's seemingly slow 4.8 time to 60mph but 16.6 time to 200kph? For comparison, the only correlated RS6 times I got were 0-60mph/100kph in 4.7 and 0-200kph in 17.6. The RS6 has a little more horsepower, a lot more torque, and a lot more weight.

Help me figure this out...is torque not this important to acceleration? Is Audi understating 0-60 times? (Am I spazzing out? :bigeyes: )

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by rks838
.


As for fun-to-drive, the magazines widely favored the RS6 over the M5 (at least in America) and went 50:50 for the S4 versus the M3. But it's all about opinion...

I agree its all about opinion.

But we have to keep in mind that Audi is now after all years changing their thinking of how a car should be built. And im sure they are now getting closer in the right direction to driving joy.

The target is clear.

They would not be making all of this drastic changes to their new RS4 if it all from before had the tru caractiristics of a sportier car that did communicating well whit the driver and deliverd purer joy. Its not for nothing they have made the new RS4 lighter and changed wheight distubution as well as engin and moore.

So Audis own strategi is talking against the americans mags that favored the RS6 before M5 in driving joy and comunication to the driver.

Just wanted to keep this tread going :)

[5000S old skool]

Originally posted by rks838
Whoa! I just realized an important detail - the new RS4 has a measly 317 lb.-ft. of torque! Somebody tell me my calcs are off! That's only 15 more than the S4, which could be $25,000 less! Has Audi fallen into the same hole as BMW, Honda, etc. - 100hp per liter w/ high revs but not much low end grunt? This can be noted of the M3, new M5, S2000, etc. M3: 333hp, 262lb.-ft. torque, noted lack of low end grunt. M5: 500hp, 384lb.-ft., relatively slow 4.7 time to 60 (reflective of low end grunt?). S2000: 240hp, 162lb.-ft., noted lack of low end grunt. However, the horsepower seems to kick in in all of these cars at higher speeds. The M5 really goes fast to 200kph (13 or 14 seconds, they claim), and the M3 and S2000 seem to pick up the pace too. Could this explain Audi's seemingly slow 4.8 time to 60mph but 16.6 time to 200kph? For comparison, the only correlated RS6 times I got were 0-60mph/100kph in 4.7 and 0-200kph in 17.6. The RS6 has a little more horsepower, a lot more torque, and a lot more weight.

Help me figure this out...is torque not this important to acceleration? Is Audi understating 0-60 times? (Am I spazzing out? :bigeyes: )

Are you sure?? I thought it was 410 @ 5500. Which I know is really late for torque, but it def. is better than 317!!

Well, 8:29 if your right then I guess the RS6 is still my dream car and the B7 RS4 comes in 2nd.

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by 8:29 RS6
So Audis own strategi is talking against the americans mags that favored the RS6 before M5 in driving joy and comunication to the driver.

:)

I dont now if i got that right, the english spelling:(



I mean what Audi now does is logical becuse the previus cars was not the most comunicating and fun to drive. And Audi did now it, thats why they change(develop) their way of building cars.

They are on the rhigt track, lets see what its worth. Go Audi

[Jerry D]

The RS$ makes 410 Newton Metres of torque, which is about 317 ft lbs.

Jerry D

[rks838]

It's a little better than that - the first page of this thread says 430 NM. The equation from newton-meters to pound-feet is divide by 1.355818. 430 divided by 1.355818 = ..........:cry:, still 317. That's a disappointment...but hey, it's got 420hp, quattro, and is only 3600lbs. - still a recipe for excitement.

[Iceman]

I still prever a Bi-turbo or Compressor engine not a atmo.
German tuner MTM put a compressr on the 4.2-liter V8 engines and give the engine then 368 Kw/ 500 bhp and 600 Nm by 3850 rpm. :dance:
Engine picture. (http://www.mtm-online.de/html/showbild.php4?bild=au_a8d3_33_b.jpg)

wfg, Hans.

[Benman]

Originally posted by rks838
Whoa! I just realized an important detail - the new RS4 has a measly 317 lb.-ft. of torque! Somebody tell me my calcs are off! That's only 15 more than the S4, which could be $25,000 less! Has Audi fallen into the same hole as BMW, Honda, etc. - 100hp per liter w/ high revs but not much low end grunt? This can be noted of the M3, new M5, S2000, etc. M3: 333hp, 262lb.-ft. torque, noted lack of low end grunt. M5: 500hp, 384lb.-ft., relatively slow 4.7 time to 60 (reflective of low end grunt?).

Help me figure this out...is torque not this important to acceleration? Is Audi understating 0-60 times? (Am I spazzing out? :bigeyes: )
This is exactly what I was talking about with someone previously on another thread. I was trying to explain that there just can't be a N/A engine with an extremely high redline that makes gobs of torque. Just doesn't work that way. Why do you think ALL good deisels are turbo'd and have a rev limit of like 4500 RPMs?:D The torque figure given would put it dead on with an S2000 as far as peak torque per liter (like I was guessing it would). However Audi is saying that it makes 80-90% of it's peak torque from 2250-7600 RPMs, which is much better than an S2000.:cheers:

Ben:addict: (a torque Monster we knew this would not be, but should still be PLENTY adequate:D ).

[M5 RUS]

0-200 in 16.6 sec is NOT Impressive....I was hoping for at least 0-200 in 15sec...and 0-100 in 4.5-4.6...

I was going to order one but right now I am Not Sure...

Previous RS4 was faster then M5...at least off the line and in 1/4 was about then same (depends on how you launch)...I have had many races with RS4's...

I hope those figures are worng and new RS4 will be at least as fast as and e60 M5, then I will buy one...

[Benman]

Originally posted by M5 RUS
0-200 in 16.6 sec is NOT Impressive....I was hoping for at least 0-200 in 15sec...and 0-100 in 4.5-4.6...

I was going to order one but right now I am Not Sure...

Previous RS4 was faster then M5...at least off the line and in 1/4 was about then same (depends on how you launch)...I have had many races with RS4's...

If all you want is straight line speed out of your four door than get a E55. Or better yet, get a Lotus Carlton. The M5 wasn't ANY faster than that, yet people still somehow found reasons to buy the M5:D

Ben:addict: (don't listen to the skeptics, the RS 4 will have plenty of virtues).

[J.Seven]

Originally posted by Benman
If all you want is straight line speed out of your four door than get a E55. Or better yet, get a Lotus Carlton. The M5 wasn't ANY faster than that, yet people still somehow found reasons to buy the M5:D

Ben:addict: (don't listen to the skeptics, the RS 4 will have plenty of virtues).

Are you refering to the Lotus Omega? if you are, that car hasn´t the slightly chance against a E39M5 let alone the E60M5.
377Hp dated from 1990 doesn´t give him much chance vs nowadyas high powered limos, but indeed it is a very special car.

J.Seven

[SpinEcho]

Originally posted by J.Seven
Are you refering to the Lotus Omega? if you are, that car hasn´t the slightly chance against a E39M5 let alone the E60M5.
377Hp dated from 1990 doesn´t give him much chance vs nowadyas high powered limos, but indeed it is a very special car.

J.Seven

Apologies to Benman for jumping in. The Lotus Carlton, as sold in the UK and tested by Performance Car, ran 0-60 mph in 4.8s and 0-100 in 10.6s. It has a power to weight ratio of 231 bhp/ton, compared to the E39 M5's ratio of 236. The E39 M5 in most tests has not managed 0-100 times as low, strangely enough (maybe a torque issue - M5 369 lbs./ft. vs. Carlton 419 lbs./ft.?)

[Benman]

Originally posted by SpinEcho
Apologies to Benman for jumping in.
None needed.:cheers:
This was EXACTLY my point. The Carlton was (is) a great car and just because the new (at the time) M5 couldn't beat it in a straight line, the mags were singing praises about it's handling and everything else.

And that's my point about the RS 4. So, maybe it won't beat the new M5. But it's certainly more than just straight line #s. It does afterall have a very similar power to weight ratio and I think most of us will agree that it's better (dynamically) to have a vehicle that weights 2000 lbs with 200 HP than 4000 lbs with 400 HP. The RS 4 is not this extreme but is (reportedly) @500lbs less than the M5, yet keeps the power to weight ratio VERY close. So we should see some interesting road tests!:incar:

Ben:addict:

[tailpipe]

Originally posted by Benman

And that's my point about the RS 4. So, maybe it won't beat the new M5. But it's certainly more than just straight line #s. It does afterall have a very similar power to weight ratio and I think most of us will agree that it's better (dynamically) to have a vehicle that weights 2000 lbs with 200 HP than 4000 lbs with 400 HP. The RS 4 is not this extreme but is (reportedly) @500lbs less than the M5, yet keeps the power to weight ratio VERY close. So we should see some interesting road tests!:incar:

Ben:addict:

Right on the money, Benman,

I think the RS4 is going to be a lot, lot closer to the M5 in performance terms than anyone imagined it would be. The engine is a work of art and should really move the game on in performance car terms. But the real surprise, should be the amount of traction andpoise in and out of corners thanks to 4WD, suspension tweaks and improved steering.

Everyone is speculating about how much the RS4 will cost (including me!) but if it costs under £50,000 - and yet is within a gnat's whisker of the M5's performance - then it will start to look like great value. I would be extremely surprised if the RS4 cost more than £52,000 fully loaded, because at that price a 4.2 FSi A6 with air suspension starts to look very attractive.

[SpinEcho]

With the new RS4 at a power to weight ratio of about 255 bhp/ton, and the E60 M5 at about 280 bhp/ton, I don't think there's any question as to which car will be quicker on the road and in dry conditions, including in the twisties. If we're talking "gnat's whiskers", the RS4 will be a little bit faster than the RS6 in a straight line.

But as many have pointed out, the real world has rain and snow.

The real question is, can Quattro Gmbh match the handling neutrality, steering feel and suspension control of the best BMW's? So far, this has been out of Audi's reach.

[rks838]

I'm beginning to see that many, many pieces of evidence that point to the new RS4 being faster than its stated times --- except the torque number. It's power to weight number is very important, though, so I think we're gonna have to wait for a magazine test before we can really conclude anything...why am I saying this, you guys already know...

[M5 RUS]

LOTUS Carlton is a very fast car...So people even said that and good running LOTUS in our days, is as fast or even faster then E39 M5....From my experience, M5 was faster, I've killed one so badly....

From traffic lights I've been killed many time by old RS4's...2nd gear launch...I was faster...

E55 is a good option, but poor handling...

I guess New M5 once agin will the Winner...Power to weight make all the difference...+ loss of acceleration with 4wd...

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by SpinEcho
The real question is, can Quattro Gmbh match the handling neutrality, steering feel and suspension control of the best BMW's? So far, this has been out of Audi's reach.

I guess we all keeps the fingers crosed and hope for that.
I know im hoping for it, go audi(i wounder how are you to drive RS4) :

[M5 RUS]

Yeah make :mech: RS4 Faaaster!!!

So we can all be :looking: Happy!!!

[RS4Ever]

from Autocar...

" Performance -

The RS4 is spectacularly fast by four-door standards. The headline figure is 0-62mph in a claimed 4.8sec – 0.8sec faster than the S4 and 0.4sec inside the M3’s official figure. Those who have experienced the new car’s standing-start acceleration say it lacks the neck-straining take-off of its predecessor’s, although this is compensated for by greater mid-range shove.

Top speed is a limited 155mph, although without intervention the RS4 would haul close to 180mph at the 8250rpm cut-out in sixth gear"

Full Article (http://www.autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=213869)

[7:53 RS6]

As well from autocar!


"""In a bid to provide the RS4 with a more entertaining feel, the characteristics of the quattro system have been heavily revised. Instead of delivering drive in a classic 50:50 front-to-rear arrangement, the new
system doles out a rear-biased 40:60 split. Insiders admit there is a slight trade-off in traction, but it is a drawback they are prepared to absorb in return for improved poise and balance."""

"""The RS4 gets the latest ESP (electronic stability program) from Bosch. It gains a higher threshold, permits greater levels of slip and cycles in shorter bursts to provide what insiders describe as more predictable on-the-limit behaviour""".

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Audi is getting moore and moore to the BMW way. Audi know this time that drivingjoy is importent, not just a fast car :hahahehe:

As far as quattro they are going the Porsche way.
Soon Audi could deliver drivingjoy, i hope its relly in the new RS4.

What i read i dont see any upgrades on the DRC? Well the RS4 is not as heawy as My RS6 but any way i had my hops for a system like say the ABC sport in SL55 or simular. Which is way better than the DRC on the RS6.

[Erik]

Here's some more fire to the lap time discussion.

On the contrary of what most people think.

The old RS4 vs. old M5, guess which was the fastest?

RS4 vs. M5, the old ones. (http://www.track-challenge.com/main_e.asp?useframe=comparison1_e.asp?Car1=10%26Ca r2=3)


:rs4addict

:rs4kiss:

[Erik]

Remember the vote at AMS? http://www.auto-motor-sport.de/

Guess who is the :king:


1. Audi RS 41 % :addict: :rs4addict

2. BMW M 34 %

3. Mercedes AMG 14 %

4. Opel OPC 8 %

5. Ford ST 3 % :trash:

[R8isGreat]

The RS4 is faster and look at the air temp, the M5 tested on a MUCH cooler day.

[Tanner]

Just read that the new flat bottom sport steering wheel will not be coming to North America... is this true?

Not like it matters to me :D

[RS4Ever]

Originally posted by Tanner
Just read that the new flat bottom sport steering wheel will not be coming to North America... is this true?

Not like it matters to me :D


where did you read that?
if that true.. then what a shame.

if i were in the position i'd prob order it from europe and get it installed here... whats the deal with all these weird US specs lately?

[RS4Ever]

Originally posted by Tanner
Just read that the new flat bottom sport steering wheel will not be coming to North America... is this true?

Not like it matters to me :D



puke:ford, will get one...

its not exactly flat bottom but... :hihi: hehe

Click Me (http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=4104)


just for the laughs.. i know its a concept.


:eye: here is a quote from the website :nana:...
"This is nicer than ANYTHING out from Audi or Mercedes!" :noshake:

[Benman]

Originally posted by RS4Ever
whats the deal with all these weird US specs lately?
I guess us Americans should be "gratefull" the Man let's us get any of these "unsafe" vehicles in the first place!:D

Ben:addict:

[R8isGreat]

That ford interior is nasty. Welcome to 1973!!

[Benman]

Just realized that this thread has half the views and replies as the How many Beasts are on the board thread started almost TWO YEARS AGO!!:bigeyes: :bigeyes:

If there's that much excitement about the new RS 4, than what can we expect from the next RS 6?!?:0:

Ben:addict:

[Croman]

Is it just me or does these wheels remind about the new RS4 wheels?

Planing to buy these to my A6.

8x18" H109 High Powered Silver
http://www.scstyling.com/images/Hijoin-H109.jpg

[Benman]

Very similar!

[Radar]

Here's another copy coming to fruition. From Hartmannwheels.com:

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[Croman]

Yeah those are realy nice!
When are they expected to be realesed and price?

[Erik]

The Audi A4 DTM. Quite similar looks

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/67531.jpg

[J Irwan]

Originally posted by Erik
The Audi A4 DTM. Quite similar looks

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/67531.jpg


very nice..

it has the same bumper style as RS4 ..so it seems.


Is it going to be equipped on B7 S4 as well...?


Regardz,

J Irwan

[Iceman]

Originally posted by J Irwan
Is it going to be equipped on B7 S4 as well...?
Regardz, J Irwan

No, the S4 bumper is a S-line bumper this bumper is specialy made for the A4 DTM Edition.

wfg, Hans.

[tailpipe]

The front spoiler is the only thing i don't like about the new RS4 design. Sorry, but it really does look like a kit car aftermarket add-on. It's trying too hard. What i have always liked about all Audis to date is their understated elegance. The last RS4 was a looker. It still is almost 6 years later. May be it looked OTT when it came out too.

[Nordschleife]

Originally posted by tailpipe
The last RS4 was a looker. It still is almost 6 years later. May be it looked OTT when it came out too.

Overstated - nah - more Bodie and Doyle (with a touch of Tel with the light behind it)

The RS2 is understated.

R+C

[Erik]

According to the BMW press release the new BMW M6 will lap the Nordschleife in "circa 8 minutes."

The M5 did it in 8:13, by sport auto.

[Erik]

The 997S with sport package did the Nordschleife in 8.05 s.