The RS6 that makes the M5 E60 look slow...

[Erik]

Have a look at these figures and tell me what you think. :D

Audi RS6 Avant V8 TwinTurbo, 6-speed manual gearbox, 580 hp @ 6.200 rpm - 820 Nm @ 3.800 rpm. Tires: 295/30 ZR 19 (Pirelli P Zero Rosso).

Acceleration:
0 - 80 km/h 3,2 s
0 - 100 km/h 3,9 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,5 s
0 - 140 km/h 6,7 s
0 - 160 km/h 8,7 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,3 s
0 - 200 km/h 12,3 s (FAST!) :dig:

Weight: 1719 kg

Top Speed: 313 Km/h (unrestricted, but measured by GPS)

Nordschleife (reported to be about 30 secs slower than the Carrera GT in partly wet conditions,
so around 8.06 min) Source - eyewitness news (http://www.pocketrocket.ca/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=63;t=000037) Check here also (http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=234103)
Hockenheim: 1.14,2 min and 1:12.453 as reported below.
Transverse Acceleration 1,15 g


BMW M5 E60
V10, 507 bhp @ 7750/min - 520 Nm @ 6100/min, 7 gears (SMGIII)

0 - 80 Km/h 3,5 s
0 - 100 Km/h 4,5 s
0 - 120 Km/h 5,9 s
0 - 140 Km/h 7,4 s
0 - 160 Km/h 9,2 s
0 - 180 Km/h 11,6 s
0 - 200 Km/h 13,8 s Slow!!! :hahahehe:

Nordschleife: 8.13 min
Hockenheim: 1.16,5 min (645Ci time) :vhmmm: :boring:

Transverse Acceleration: 1.2 g

Top Speed: 269 Km/h (limited)

Check here for pics of the Porsche Carrera GT and MTM RS6 Clubsport at Nürburgring (http://truedrezzer.fotopic.net/c281504_25.html)


Source: Sport Auto (Germany)

[gjg]

Weight: 1719 kg (RS6)

do you have M5 info?

[Erik]

Originally posted by gjg
do you have M5 info?

http://www.track-challenge.com :0:

Weight 1844 Kg

[jackal]

The RS6 is the a MTM Clubsport edition?

[Benman]

:D Funny, but don't forget that you could buy 2 new M5s for the price of that "particular" RS 6:)

Ben:addict:

[Finnus]

How did they get the weight down to 1719 kg (3,782 lbs)? With 580 hp, that's a dramatically different power to weight ratio from our stock cars ...

Finnus
:addict:

[Ruergard]

I only say GOGO :addict:

[Erik]

Originally posted by Finnus
How did they get the weight down to 1719 kg (3,782 lbs)? With 580 hp, that's a dramatically different power to weight ratio from our stock cars ...

http://www.mtm-online.de/img/news/news_bild1_28.jpg

"The MTM car was stripped of its rear seat, air-con, stereo and soundproofing and given a full roll cage along with lightweight carpet and racing seats. It also lost its automatic gearbox in favour of an uprated six-speed manual from the RS4.
With MTM‘s full-house engine conversion, the 350 kg lighter
RS6 Club Sport was blasted around the track by 540 PS and a
whopping 810 Nm of torque. Piloted by last year‘s MTM classwinning
driver Florian Gruber, who drives in the German
SEAT Cupra Cup, it blitzed the opposition to take first in class
with a stunning 1 minute 12.453 sec lap at an average speed
of 128.441 kph."

Source: http://www.mtm-online.de/presseberichte/au_rs6_8.pdf

"With the RS6 Clubsport MTM celebrate the first place last weekend at Tuner-GP at the Hockenheimring. The time of 1:12.453 would be in the GT-class, at the Porsche cars, the 4th place. The performance was increased by the turbokit to 570hp, the vehicle weight could be reduced by modifications over up to 300Kg, without comfort suffers. The change from automatic transmission to manual gearbox brings the driving fun on highest level. In the future will be take place some modifications on the axles as well on the aerodynamic. There are tests planed at Nardo. The car will be for a test at the magazine "Sport Auto" in a short time. A small limited series of 10-20 cars is planned. At this we want to congratulate our driver Gruber Florian, he did a perfect job. He had on Friday only 30 minutes time and on Saturday even only two rounds to to test. Many thanks for their help are to the companies Pirelli and KW automotives GmbH."


1:12.453 that's Lamborghini Gallardo time, in an Avant... :MTM:

[Erik]

Anybody who got the Auto Bild Test & Tuning Nr. 2 -05?

They test the MTM RS6 Clubsport, M3 Digi-Tec and Lorinser GS03 Nardo.


Go :addict: Go

[Erik]

The Mother of all RS6s...

Motopark in Oschersleben 1:47.08 Min. (123,26 km/h)
Compare lap times here: (http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5817&highlight=150)

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/62950.jpghttp://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/62961.jpg

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Warning! No Airbags!

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http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/62955.jpghttp://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/62953.jpg

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Digi-Tec M3 Intecno and Lorinser GS03 Nardo

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/58841.jpghttp://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/53765.jpg

Lorinser Nardo

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/62966.jpghttp://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/62974.jpg

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More pics HERE... (http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=40734#post40734)

[Finnus]

That RS6 is SICK!!!

Finnus
:addict:

[itisme]

This car is as fast on 200km/h as my Polo is on 80km/h :D

how can someone drive that fast from 0-200km/h? Doesn`t he have to shift more than once?! I`d like to take a seat when a testdriver is doing this!

[Mr Balsen]

What is really really impressive with the RS6 MTM Clubsport is the stiffness of the chassis and how very good is the handling. This is by far the best car I drove in my life.

But of course the engine WITH manual gearbox is absolutely amazing. It is showing if it was necessary the huge mistake Audi made by not producing such car.....

Cheers from Paris,
Frederic

[A418TQTip]

The MTM RS6 is one fast Avant... However, I must confess I don't see the point... Why would someone pay that much money for an Avant like that... It's a track car for the most part... Does it even have any airbags?

The M5 on the other hand is a road car. I really don't think one could compare both... Dunno, just a thought...

[phatfocus]

I think the e60 m5 does pretty well from stock really. I wouldnt be surprised if some loon is allready toying with the idea of some kind of forced induction for that V10, as you surely cant libertae that much power from it soley through n/a tuning.

If the rumours are true the next rs6 will have it licked though, but i do hope the next rs6 is lighter and more nible, not just more powefull.

[Benman]

Originally posted by phatfocus

If the rumours are true the next rs6 will have it licked though, but i do hope the next rs6 is lighter and more nible, not just more powefull.
Ahhh, now that would be nice!:0:

Ben:addict:

[J0X]

So did they break the budget when they were deciding on steering wheel and knob or were they just going retro on purpose? :D

[gjg]

Originally posted by A418TQTiP

Why would someone pay that much money for an Avant like that... It's a track car for the most part...

depending where you drive .... :wo:

:D

[ChrisM5]

They sold the RS6 Clubsport of MTM for 99500 Euro. It was the demo car, they used for the tuner grand prix.

I did not really consider to buy it, because it has no airbags and AC any more.

Concerning the comparison of M5 (even E60) and RS6, i would say, compare it all over the year. Under rainy, wet and snowy conditions, on bad and good roads. And also, always think about the gact, that the V10 is still an engine, which is not stabile, like the 5.0L V8 was a long time.

Even when the RS6 has not that much HP, it´s the more solid engine, i think.

And i know what i´m talking about, i have driven all of these car´s for many miles.

Cheers

[Toto89]

:bigeyes: :bigeyes: :MTM: Ohh my God!!!
BMW is slow:hahahehe: But don't forget that BMW's gearbox is able to switch much faster than manual or other automatics and even with this gear,AUDI is much faster:dance:

[Toto89]

If I know well, even the stock RS6 is faster a little bit than E60 M5 isn't it?If I remember well...:0-100: M5:4,7sec(with launch controll)and RS6 also 4,7 without LC.Without Launch Controll BMW is slower...I found in a car magazine that it needs 5,0sec to reach 100kmh without Launch Control.:revs:

[Toto89]

I started to thinking about this question and I absolutely don't know which car is faster:rolleyes: BMW E60 M5 or a stock RS6 because I found very different datas about them.I found in one place that RS6 needs 4,6 sec to reach 100 kmh ,on the other site I found 4,9sec ,about M5:5,0 on a site,4,7 or 4,5 on an other.Does everybody knows the real times???:confused: Or are they so small numbers that nobody knows exactly which is faster?
:addict:

[Benman]

Originally posted by Toto89
Does everybody knows the real times???:confused: Or are they so small numbers that nobody knows exactly which is faster?
:addict:
The real times vary...a LOT. But for the most part, the ONLY chance a RS 6 has against the brand new M5, is off the line with the quattro hook up. Once the M5 catches it, it's over. The M5 is definately faster. A very reputable website is www.track-challenge.com .

You can do a comparo there.:cheers:
From Track Challenge:

RS6 M5 E60

Manufacturer Audi Quattro GmbH BMW M GmbH
Testing Date 9/2002 12/2004
Engine 4172 cccm, 8 Zyl , 40 V 4999 cccm, 10 Zyl , 40 V
Power 450 PS (331 KW) @ 6400/min 507 PS (373 KW) @ 7750/min
Torque 560 Nm @ 1950/min 520 Nm @ 6100/min
Transmission 1 (5) 2 (7)
Weight 1908 Kg 1844 Kg
Weight / BhP 4,24 Kg / PS 3,6 Kg/ PS
0 - 100 Km/h 4,9 s 4,5 s
0 - 200 Km/h 18,7 s 13,8 s
0 - 200-0 Km/h 24,4 s 19,2 s
Top Speed
258 Km/h * el. begrenzt 269 Km/h * el. begrenzt
80 - 120 Km/h 4.Gear 5,5 s 4,5 s
100 - 0 Km/h hot 39,1 m , 9,9 m/s 36,1 m , 10,7 m/s
Transverse Acceleration 1,1 g 1,2 g
Slalom Course 36 / 110m 118 / 137 Km/h 128 / 136 Km/h
Round Time Nuerburgring 8.20 min 8.13 min
Round Time Hockenheim 1.17,6 min 1.16,5 min

To be fair, the temperature during the testing of the new M5 GREATLY favor the M5 over the RS 6 (RS 6 ambient temp 32!!!, M5 ambient temp 13!!!)

Ben:addict:

[Toto89]

OK thanks:0:
But I find it a bit strange because the official time of M5 to 0-100 kmh is 4,7sec (I read it on the official BMW website).
Maybe it could be true if they tested the two cars.
:vhmmm:
But I'm an AUDI fan and I'm sure that M5 hasn't got chance against RS6 plus and don't forget that RS6 is one generation older:D :addict:

[TaTaPiRaTa]

Originally posted by Toto89

But I'm an AUDI fan and I'm sure that M5 hasn't got chance against RS6 plus and don't forget that RS6 is one generation older:D :addict:

M5 does 0-200km/h in 13 sec, that means RS6 (even PLUS or just chip tuned) has no chances at all :(

BTW: I'm RS6 fan as well. :addict:

[absent]

Pretty much pointless excercise to compare a purpose built ,2 seater car ,with a stock one....

[Toto89]

But don't forget that RS6 is one generation older than BMW,comparison is not very fair:nono: I'm very curious about what will the M5 do against this:harass:

[skratch]

Originally posted by Toto89
But don't forget that RS6 is one generation older than BMW,comparison is not very fair:nono: I'm very curious about what will the M5 do against this:harass:

BMW will have the m6 csl 550hp to play with.

Oh and bmw like many others underrate there 0-100 times.

to the first poster its not fair to compair an all out preped modded car to a bone stock m5.

just wait till hartge,dinan,supersprint do up there m5s and see what they do on the track.

supersprint has an exhuast upgrade that gets the car to 547hp now.

[steve]

Originally posted by skratch


Oh and bmw like many others underrate there 0-100 times.



If there is one brand that overrates there times it is BMW. Ok the M5 and M6 are not overrated but when you look at the other ones like the 3-series, 5-series and certainly the 1.
There are even articles about BMW putting their acceleration times ahead and the question what they are willing to reach with that.

but that is very off-topic :p

[Toto89]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by skratch
[B]BMW will have the m6 csl 550hp to play with.


The M6 is already a CSL model,with plastic windscreens etc. and has "only" 507 hp and the official time 0-100 (with launch controll and P500 S6 settings )is 4,6 sec ,previous RS6 plus used to have the same 4,6 sec but it's slower on 0-200(17,3 against BMW's 13,9)<--these are official times.
I know BMW M's are great cars especially new M5 and M6(I like them) but they don't have as fast tuned version as MTM Clubsports:they are (could be) as fast as Lambo Murciélago.
I mean BMW's usually don't have as fast tuned versions as AUDIs(generally),I look forward to see new RS6 and tuned M5.:race:

[audirs6.ch]

I think at the moment the new M5 is the best made (sports-)sedan. The E55 is also not bad, but not as sporty as the rs6 and the m5, but faster on the straight as the rs6.

At the moment my rating (total package):

1. M5
2. RS6
3. E55 AMG

Sound:

1. RS6
2. E55 AMG
3. M5

Design:

1. RS6
2. M5
3. E55 AMG

[absent]

Slight change in my opinion:
Performance/handling:
1.M5
2.E55
3.RS6
Sound:
1.RS6
2.E55
3.M5

Styling in/out:
1.E55/RS6 - tie
10.M5 (yes,#10 because it's so ugly)

In the end,styling for me is the least important factor,so I'll go for the performance....

[Toto89]

OK I write my list after these two:)
Performance:M5
RS6
E55

Design: RS6
E55
M5

Sound: RS6
M5
E55

But the most important::rs6kiss: :D

[skratch]

Originally posted by steve
If there is one brand that overrates there times it is BMW. Ok the M5 and M6 are not overrated but when you look at the other ones like the 3-series, 5-series and certainly the 1.
There are even articles about BMW putting their acceleration times ahead and the question what they are willing to reach with that.

but that is very off-topic :p

Im not sure on what other bmws are rated at but i was talking about the m models.

The m3 has done 0-60 in 4.6 and some even lower than that.

the csl has the same 0-60 time as the regular m on paper but thats not the case in real life.

there is going to be an m6 csl with more power.

also why are you guys giving the m5s sound bad ratings.That thing sounds like an f1 car flying down the track and thats from watching it on a computer.It should sound alot better in real life id think.

[absent]

Then we should break up the sound classification into 2 categories:
At idle (when M5 sounds like a diesel)
At full song (when M5 sounds like F1 car)

[Speedou]

Originally posted by skratch
also why are you guys giving the m5s sound bad ratings.That thing sounds like an f1 car flying down the track and thats from watching it on a computer.It should sound alot better in real life id think.

I have been sitting in the M6 and the sound of the V10 is amazing, but it could be little bit more agressive. But of course you can put somekind exhaust mode on the car and I believe after that it will be something very grazy.

[rks838]

My ratings:

Performance:
M5
RS6
E55 (to quote Motor Trend, I think: "a normal sedan with a Herculean engine under the hood" - pulls 0.83 g on the skidpad)
---in non-dry conditions, RS6 up front, of course

Sound:
RS6 (sort of unfair w/ "sound enhancing exhaust" option - never heard or seen one w/out it)
M5
E55

Exterior Design:
M5 (sorry, I think the thing looks great)
RS6
E55

Interior Design:
RS6/E55
M5

Total Package:
RS6/M5
E55

[Erik]

Hehe, time to lift this thread and get impressed by the acceleration figures again. :king:

[alex_s3]

in a test the 450bhp did 4.4 sec 0-60mph... thats very good! and 12.6 in 1/4 mile i think..