Is this guy for real?? "Chipped" RS6 vs. E46 M3??

[Improviz]

Which one of you guys is in South Africa who can't launch an AWD automatic?? :D

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299583

[audirs6sport]

Originally posted by Improviz
Which one of you guys is in South Africa who can't launch an AWD automatic?? :D

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299583

What a shame :rolleyes:

[steve]

prob. he was in Drive, TCS on, and with no torquebraking :D

[papadoc]

Reading further down this post you will see that the M3 driver has this to say about the RS6 in the video:
The RS6 belongs to a very close friend of mine & he's a very good driver. He has an 11.1 Ford Escort Cosworth as well.

His RS6 is in NO WAY in the league of my car. We go to a lot of places together & IN ANY GEAR at ANY SPEED under ANY CONDITIONS he murders me. There is no contest & neither did I ever say it was.

On that day his car was slow due to the conditions (as we all were) but he has run 12.7 @ 116 before here at 5500ft elevation. I don't know what that translates into sea-level times but I guess its high 11's or 12 dead for a 2-tonne 4-door family car. I have driven it & it is awesome.

There are complications with launching an automatic turbo car up at high altitude. There isn't enough air pressure to build boost as quickly as at sea-level. As a result boost only comes on at around 2500rpm. At sea-level he's on boost at 1800rpm.

Now, one can only brake torque up to around 2500rpm, & depending on the ambient conditions he may or may not come off the line on boost. If he doesn't (like in the 2nd video) then I am ahead for a while. It doesn't matter 'cos he runs me down quickly anyway even with the worst launch.

I will try to get him online to comment, but just remember that in no way am I saying my car is comparable to his.

also posted results where the same RS6 beat E55...

[audirs6sport]

Yeah I'd like to see that RS6 beating e55. E55 owners all think RS6 is slower even modified because it "FEELS" like it's slower.....
As said by one of the previous RS6 owner.

[A418TQTip]

Pfff... MB owners... If they knew any better they wouldn't be driving MB's in the first place... :D :addict:

[Avus_RS6 - E55]

Originally posted by audirs6sport
Yeah I'd like to see that RS6 beating e55. E55 owners all think RS6 is slower even modified because it "FEELS" like it's slower.....
As said by one of the previous RS6 owner.

Not trying to start anything but when I had my modded RS6, I got walked by a stock E55 on the highway. We all know the RS6 is going to beat just about any car off the line due to traction.

I sold my RS6, no because I got walked by an E55, I could care less, but biggest factor was the dated interior design ( I thought the current A6s were going to be sold late last year), the NAV was just horrible and car was starting to have issues.

The RS6, I can honestly say was a better overall car to drive in terms of "overall" package. The E55 is just cleary faster in a straight line. Doesn't really matter to me that RS5 or E55 does this and that in the 1/4 mile. I had to sell the car due to my 1 year old son at the time (he loves getting tossed around now, he's 2) would constantly cry due to stiffness and exhaust tone. I blame myself for both issues since I added 19s and Miltek exhaust, which didn't help matters.

The new A6's look HOT and if the RS6 is anywhere near I would be in another RS6 again (assuming it has turbos since they would have great modding potential).

Yes, I drive an E55 now and yes handling SUCKS, but it gets the job done for me in terms of taking me around town. The RS6 had better fit and finish inside than my E55. Braking is about the same although the E has too much assistance, handling we all know which is far better.

I'm currently looking for another RS6 as my daily driver if anyone is selling theirs.

[Aronis]

Originally posted by Avus_RS6 - E55

I had to sell the car due to my 1 year old son at the time (he loves getting tossed around now, he's 2) would constantly cry due to stiffness and exhaust tone.




Now that is concerning, my second son is due in two weeks....I'm not selling my RS6....

Mike

[audirs6sport]

I guess we need to redefine the term meaning of "faster" vs "quicker" IMC (in my chapter) quicker = acceleration, faster = top speed. Anyone disagree? Throw in comments if you'd like because alot of times when two or more people are having a discussion, it always seems like one guy does not take the same word in same meaning as the other person. Eventually, they just end up arguing like no other. :rolleyes: Just my 2 cents.

[Aronis]

I agree with your def's

Faster = higher top end

Quicker = higher acceloration ability...

O-60 time is never the whole story....

Mike

[avdh]

Well M&M/M3/I8A4RE is at it again....

The RS6 on the video is supposed to have been modified, but it never runs 100%. The fact that he cannot built up his revs to more than 1800 rpm, proves to me that there is problems with that car.
I had the same mod on my RS6 and eventually had everything put back to standard, as the car wasn't any faster than standard, in fact it was slower.

I had a dice with M&M/.... and I left him for dead, and when that happened my RS6 was stock standard and we were two in the car and one of my air intake was abit blocked with bird feathers. Furthermore I have no problem building up revs to 2400 rpm. It takes abit of time though.

At the same place as the video was taken (http://www.audioimports.com/cars/RS6/Performance/Wesbank110704.htm)

At another track (http://www.audioimports.com/cars/RS6/Performance/RS6ODI220204.htm)

Both instances the RS6 was stock.

I must say though that M&M/M.... can launch his M3 pretty well

[Finnus]

one of my air intake was abit blocked with bird feathers

AVDH,

Aren't you supposed to limit your hunting to other vehicles, not wildlife? LOL

Finnus
:addict:

[Erik]

Seems the altitude is a big enemy.

I've done 14.665 secs in my old A6 2.7T MTM with tiptronic (just above sea level.)

0 - 200 km/h times for M3s are supposed to be around 17-18 secs...not 21 secs.

Nice to see the :addict: at the top of the Hill

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/M&M&M/Gerotek/Res.jpg

[M&M]

Andre, long time no see. How you doing?

I don't know what this punk Improviz is trying to achieve by posting this. He's in the US so he doesn't know me or Gert.

I have huge respect for the RS6 & I just posted the videos where its plain to see I get beaten every time. I raced Gert 4 times & every time I knew I was going to get mauled. But Gert's my friend & we race for fun. You know I'll even race you even though I know I'll get whipped.

And its plain to see that in no way did I ever say my car is close to an RS6. Its just some videos of 2 buddies racing on a track.

[Improviz]

For those of you unfamiliar with M&M, he's a habitual troll who has been trolling Audiworld's S4 forums for over three years, the South Africa Audi Club for over two, and has now taken to trolling at MBworld.

His method of operation is as follows:

1) post any magazine article coming out which reflects favorably on BMW, particularly if/when it's a comparo w/ Audi/Mercedes (depending upon forum);

2) post "kill stories" of his crushing Audi/Mercedes, and/or runs (like the one here) of him getting in a good run against someone else's lousy run;

3) post derogatory statements about the brand of whichever forum he's trolling;

4) use deceptive means (cherry picked articles using the fastest test from BMW, the slowest from Audi/Mercedes, incorrect or inaccurate data, etc.) to establish (in his mind) BMW's "superiority".

This is followed by arguing ad infinitum, insults and/or personal attacks against members, etc...

Here is a post wherein I investigated and established his multi-year trolling campaign: (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88754)

A perfect example of his deceptive posting style can be seen in the videos of his runs versus the RS6, as posted here at Bimmerforums.com (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299583) (even they banned him!). Note that he does not state that the RS6 had problems, or was poorly driven, until prodded; he simply posted the videos without comment, as though *he*, not driver error, was responsible for the victory; only after prodding does he admit that under normal conditions, the car would smoke him.

Here are some more examples of his trolling the S4 forum and the MBworld forums:
http://forums.audiworld.com/s4b6/msgs/139085.phtml

http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85230

http://forums.audiworld.com/s4b6/msgs/138861.phtml

http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=84112

http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=65738

http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=82833

http://forums.audiworld.com/s4b6/msgs/139084.phtml

http://forums.audiworld.com/s4b6/msgs/144454.phtml

http://forums.audiworld.com/s4b6/msgs/139129.phtml

http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=84215

In this post (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=985089&postcount=68), I busted him lying about using drag radials on his car, and established his history of trolling the South Africa Audi Forum--for over two years.

Anyway, he is, without a doubt, one of the strangest trolls I've ever seen. For a grown man to engage in nothing but intentionally starting flamefests for a period of years is, quite simply, bizarre behavior no matter how you measure it.

Unfortunately, he has followed me here. My apologies...I sincerely hope he doesn't start trolling your boards too!!

[Erik]

I can't see that M&M killed anyone important in this video. :D

[Avus_RS6 - E55]

Originally posted by Aronis
Now that is concerning, my second son is due in two weeks....I'm not selling my RS6....

Mike


Wow Congrats!!! My second son is due around the same time as yours!

[M&M]

Say Improviz, if you have a problem with me, why are you wasting these RS6 owners bandwidth?

Have I ever stated that I beat an RS6? So why you wasting everyone's time here?

[Improviz]

Originally posted by M&M
Say Improviz, if you have a problem with me, why are you wasting these RS6 owners bandwidth?

I am not here to waste bandwidth, which is your area of expertise...I actually came here ceeking information, as knowing you and your devious ways, I suspected when watching the video that you were--as is usual--withholding information. And knowing that I had about as much chance getting the truth out of you as getting O.J. to confess to murder, I figured (correctly as it turns out) that coming here might enable me to find out what was up with that RS6.

And I was correct, wasn't I? I certainly didn't get the information from you.


Originally posted by M&M
Have I ever stated that I beat an RS6?

You certainly went to great lengths to make it look as if your showing against one was more due to your car and skill than issues with the RS6 in question. How many Internet forums did you post that on? Mercedes, Audi, BMW...and in any of them, did you note when posting the video that the other guy's car wasn't up to snuff unless prodded? :bye2:


Originally posted by M&M
So why you wasting everyone's time here?

HAHAA, good one...a guy whom as I showed yesterday spends years trolling Internet forums picking fights is lecturing me about Netiquette...gotta love that level of hypocrisy. :applause:

:bye:

[M&M]

What the hell's wrong with you man? I stated the reason's the RS6 couldn't launch properly. Look further up in the post. You need help man. If you have an issue with me I'll give you my e-mail address insteading of wasting everyone's times forcing them to read your personal beef with me on an RS6 forum.

[Improviz]

Originally posted by M&M
What the hell's wrong with you man? I stated the reason's the RS6 couldn't launch properly.

Sure you did...in THIS forum, AFTER someone else had already pointed it out...but in the Audiworld S4 forum, or the MBworld forum, or the Bimmerforums forum, you didn't mention it until poked and prodded like a lab rat.


Originally posted by M&M You need help man.

No, I believe a grown man who has trolled at least three Internet car forums of brands other than his own generating ill will for over three years needs help. Which would be you, sir.


Originally posted by M&M If you have an issue with me I'll give you my e-mail address insteading of wasting everyone's times forcing them to read your personal beef with me on an RS6 forum.

Actually, I didn't post anything about you personally until you showed up in this thread and called me a punk. I believe the punk is the grown man who acts like a teenager (and an immature one at that) in a chat room, intentionally provoking flamewars at every opportunity.

You are a truly sad individual, but my reason for coming was to learn what was wrong with the RS6--a fact, I point out, that YOUR lying butt never mentioned in ANY of the trolling threads wherein you posted it. You only mentioned, again after much probing, that he had launch issues, not mechanical issues as avdh pointed out.

So what exactly did your triumphant posting of those two videos all over the Internet prove, then? What was your purpose? To demonstrate that an M3 can come close to a wounded, poorly launched RS6 in a 1/4 mile? Hell, a 330i can come close to a wounded, poorly launched M3 in a 1/4 mile run. Wow. :applause: :wo:

But clearly, this was not your intention: your intention in posting those videos all over the web without mentioning the RS6's woes was to fool people into thinking your car is faster than it really is, which is why you got so angry when myself and a few other MBworld folks you'd PO'd with your trolling our forums followed you over to Bimmerforums and spoiled your little party. Payback's a bitch, isn't it?? :thumb: Maybe this will teach you a lesson: stop trolling!! :nono:

But anyway, I found out what I wanted to know, and was finished with this thread until you showed up, and as usual started trouble. :nono: As I suspected, those were not representative runs, which I suspect holds true for the other runs you've been trolling the 'net with.


:bye:

[M&M]

Let's start again 'cos its obvious you are dumb.

I posted videos of me racing MY FRIEND in an RS6. He won every single race by a SIGNIFICANT margin. As can be seen in the videos.

I did not state anywhere that it was close. I DARE YOU TO PROVIDE A LINK RIGHT NOW WHERE I SAID THAT.

ANd in the thread where I posted the video I stated why he can't launch properly. BUT, even so, his sea-level corrected time still works out to low 12's, so it was still a fast run.

I really don't think we need to argue on this forum, but if you want to I'm ready for you.

[Nickerz]

Originally posted by M&M
...I really don't think we need to argue on this forum, but if you want to I'm ready for you.


ahahahhahhh M&M...Improviz OWNS you and you know it!

Improviz has done a GREAT job in showing others the REAL you by bringing out the truth behind your trolling, inflated stories and now videos!

If I were you, I certainly wouldn't try to challenge him any longer as he has proved, time and again that you have not been completely honest with everyone and don't forget about the long list of references he has to back it up!

And now this, to find out that the RS6 you posted a video of was "wounded" like a wounded animal. Do you take pride in that? From your intentions of posting that video in a Bimmer forum...it sure seems you do.

Nick

[Improviz]

...that his car was unable to launch at proper RPMs as pointed out by avdh in this thread. avdh stated this:


The RS6 on the video is supposed to have been modified, but it never runs 100%. The fact that he cannot built up his revs to more than 1800 rpm, proves to me that there is problems with that car.
I had the same mod on my RS6 and eventually had everything put back to standard, as the car wasn't any faster than standard, in fact it was slower.

I had a dice with M&M/.... and I left him for dead, and when that happened my RS6 was stock standard and we were two in the car and one of my air intake was abit blocked with bird feathers. Furthermore I have no problem building up revs to 2400 rpm. It takes abit of time though.


Did you point out, anywhere, that a bone stock RS6 killed you, and that the only reason you were able to make a respectable showing against the other one was that he was having car troubles preventing him from launching at proper RPMs??

No, you didn't. You simply posted the video HERE, (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299583) at bimmerforums.com, with thread title Videos: E46 M3 vs Chipped RS6, with NO observation other than "damp track". The obvious implication being that you were able to make a respectable showing against a CHIPPED RS6 on a damp track.

And stop acting as though this post was your first ever where you were caught acting in a devious fashion. As anyone who clicks on the links I provided earlier in the thread can observe, in your relentless bizarre multi-year trolling campaign you have routinely posted road tests of flyer cars which were tested a full second faster than in any other test off as representative while at the same time posting the slowest possible test of the competitor, posting timeslips of modified cars in a discussion of the capabilities of "bone stock" cars, etc....and of course, claimed to have run a very low 1/4 mile "bone stock" exactly eight days after you, in another forum, bragged about the performance boost your car obtained when you mounted drag radials...

As I pointed out: were you not trying to create a false impression, you would have mentioned IN THE POST that this guy's RS6 was having launch issues, etc., but you only mentioned the damp track--which would not hurt Quattro at all, but would make your showing in an RWD car all the more impressive, which was clearly your goal.

What's funny about you is that you will argue a point that's obvious to anyone with a brain to death....you are engaging in a futile effort, as your rationalizations fool no one, but it doesn't stop you from trying!! :bye2:

[M&M]

You still haven't answered my question dumbo. Where did I state I ran close to an RS6? I don't car about the 'implications' you assumed.

I DIDN't run close to this 'wounded' RS6. I lose by close to a second on every run. Did you even see the video? On the one video I lose by 0.9 seconds. How can you say I said I ran close?

Geez, I beat the C55 by over half a second. That wasn't close so how can a second be close?

[A418TQTip]

Why can't you girls leave this stuff for the other forums? puke:

I don't recall M&M ever posting derogatory info here.

Actually, judging by THIS thread, YOU (Improviz) seem to like trolling a lot more.

Enough of this crap already!

[Erik]

Thread closed :eye: