Why Norway sucks...

[bludnik]

Here are a couple of reasons why Norway sucks...

Reason 1: Porsche Caenne V6
Price Norway: 950 000 NOK ($155 350)
Price USA: 271 000 ($44 315)
(251% difference)

Reason 2: Toyota Rav4:
Price Norway: 334 000 NOK ($54 618)
Price USA: 126 000 NOK ($20 604)
(165% difference)

Reason 3: Chrysler Crossfire
Price Norway: 599 000 NOK ($97 952)
Price USA: 214 000 NOK ($34 994)
(180% difference)

Reason 4: BMW X3 2.5
Price Norway: 591 000 NOK ($96 644)
Price USA: 192 000 NOK ($31 397)
(208% difference)

Reason 5: Chevrolet Corvette
Price Norway: 1 250 000 NOK ($204 408)
Price USA: 277 000 NOK ($45 296)
(351% difference)

I could go on and on about this, i.e. that a Jeep Grand Cherokee is 336% more expencive in Norway than in the USA, then continuing with the Audi A4 1.8T (135%), Volvo XC90 2.5 T (202%), BMW 325i (177%) and so on and so forth...

But i'll put up 2 small calculation for you... If i buy a BMW X5 here in Norway, for the same money (1 190 000 NOK or $194 597), some guy in the USA could buy himself a X5 (324 000 NOK), Nissan 350Z cab. (213 000 NOK) AND a Porsche 911 Carrera (430 000 NOK) and still have enough money to go to St. Barts for a couple of weeks or do some serious checking on the optional extra list...

Or for the same money a 50 year old librarian in Norway pays for her Hyundai Sonata (300 000 NOK), the hip, young librarian in the USA could get a Mercedes E 320 or a Volvo S80 T6 or a BMW 530i or if she wants a SUV, she could get a Hummer H2, if she wants a sports car she can get a Chevrolet Corvette and if she wants a convertible she can get a BMW 330Ci cab.

Source: www.dinside.no

[Bingocaller]

Dont get me started on DK

Guess all us Tax suckers will move to the brotherland Sweden

Erik got any spare rooms? :D

[Benman]

Originally posted by bludnik
the hip, young librarian in the USA

Source: www.dinside.no Wow, I didn't even know we had hip, young librarians in the US:D

[Audihead]

What about Denmark? When i was there people were telling me that the prices and taxes were outraeous there as well.

:s4addict:

[gjg]

Ben, you're getting close to the "ketchup" lady - she did not know there were librarians at all .... :harass:

[Bingocaller]

Originally posted by Audihead
What about Denmark? When i was there people were telling me that the prices and taxes were outraeous there as well.

:s4addict:

Oh So True :D

[jackal]

Originally posted by Audihead
What about Denmark? When i was there people were telling me that the prices and taxes were outraeous there as well.

:s4addict:

The danish taxes really sux... the cayenne costs 175000 USD...

Audi RS6: 327000 USD...

We pay 179% i taxes on our cars... :(

I want to be swedish or german....

[bludnik]

Originally posted by jackal
The danish taxes really sux...

the cayenne costs 175 000 USD...

Audi RS6: 327 000 USD...


which cayenne?

the RS6 estate retails at 247 986 USD (1 521 100NOK)

the cayenne S at 220 091 USD (1 350 000NOK)
and
the cayenne turbo at 301 607 USD (1 850 000 NOK)

i refuse to believe that the :addict: is more expensive somewhere else than here in Norway... :rolleyes:

[bludnik]

Originally posted by Benman
Wow, I didn't even know we had hip, young librarians in the US:D

They're a rare breed, but they're out there... All of them going :nono: shhh! be quiet! :eye:

hehehehe

[RS4Ever]

hey bludnik

thanks for the geographical figures


same goes for cars in israel.. cant give you exact figures... but around norway.


:eye:

[freerider]

how is this possible? For the price of a somewhat luxurueous car you can get a rs6 in Germany (or even here; 'bout 92.000 euro's, 123,187 USD). Isn't there a lot of import then? Or do you also have to pay on import?

Greetz Johan

[RS4Ever]

after my brother checked.. i can tell you that an S4 cabrio in israel costs around $200,000 while here in the states it starts at around $54,000.




i could buy 4 of them here in the US for that amount.

:confused:

[Klint]

Originally posted by gjg
Ben, you're getting close to the "ketchup" lady - she did not know there were librarians at all .... :harass:

LOL!!!!

Car prices means Norway sucks?

How about the level of healthcare available, road mainetence, business infrastructure poltical stability, cheap fuel, low levels of income tax? Excellent public transport systems.

remember, the gov. makes up for expensive prices of cars to make other areas of the country stronger

How about GDP? and the likes? How does that compare to countries that have cheaper car prices...

I'm sure Norway doesn't excel in the area where there's motorists, but I'm sure it does so elsewhere.

Have a look on google for the CIA factfile and do some comparisons...

[bludnik]

well... the title of the topic wasnt too well picked out... i'll admit that...

however... let's start on why you think Norway is a lovely country... cheap fuel... do you mean the firewood for our fireplaces? We pay about £1 per liter of petrol... it's utrageous... 66% of the fuel price is tax... :w: this in an OPEC country... :MTM:

road maintenence? hmm... well, our roads are at a adequate standard. ok, not good. we have like 200km of 4-lane (2 lanes in each direction) highways in the whole of norway or something. that isnt good, but still at least we have 2-lane roads mostly? oh no... only in the main roads... most roads are single lane roads. no dividors... but still... it's adequate... not great, just ok...

besides this, Norway rules... we've been rated the best country to live in for the last 3 years or so? before that we were 2nd and canada ruled... now the throne is on norwegian ground again... and yeah, we have a king... sure, you can get presidents and all that with the occational "bushisms" and stuff, but you can't really beat a king. Kings rule... :hahahehe: hehehe...

[Yak]

Originally posted by freerider
how is this possible? For the price of a somewhat luxurueous car you can get a rs6 in Germany (or even here; 'bout 92.000 euro's, 123,187 USD). Isn't there a lot of import then? Or do you also have to pay on import?

At least here in Finland we have to pay for imports as well. New RS6 costs about $200,000 USD here. Importing it would cost first in Germany about ~60ke and then in Finland you have to pay tax 40-50ke. So total price for a used RS6 would be about $130,000 USD.

- Yak

[Yak]

Originally posted by Klint
Car prices means Norway sucks?


Car prices are about same level in every Scandinavian country, as well as income taxes (actually every tax-system) is highest in the whole world. So we pay more taxes than anyone else in the world, and our prices are one of the highest ones in the world.

In other words, our buying capability is very low, first they rip of 60% from incomes, and then you go to grocery and pay twice the price for same food.

Awesome countries.. yeah.

- Yak

[bludnik]

Originally posted by Yak
Car prices are about same level in every Scandinavian country,

Hold the yak yak right there yak... hehehe...

About the same? Sweden is muuuuuch cheaper than Norway... Much cheaper. Alot of people import cars from Sweden. Used leasing cars from sweden are very popular to import to Norway. For instance, a brand new Volvo XC90 D5 cost about 72% more in Sweden than in Norway. For what you pay for the XC90 in Norway, you can get the same car in Sweden + a V50 with loads of optional extras... :MTM: :w:

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by bludnik
Hold the yak yak right there yak... hehehe...

About the same? Sweden is muuuuuch cheaper than Norway... Much cheaper. Alot of people import cars from Sweden. Used leasing cars from sweden are very popular to import to Norway. For instance, a brand new Volvo XC90 D5 cost about 72% more in Sweden than in Norway. For what you pay for the XC90 in Norway, you can get the same car in Sweden + a V50 with loads of optional extras... :MTM: :w:

I can confirm that cars in Norway are much expensiver than Sweden. Im from Norway but live in Sweden. Every year I drive to Norway for some holiday and all of the peopel around where I am and friends wounder if Im a rich guy driving the cars I do. And I say far from I just live In Sweden :D

Norway and Denmark have killer prices on cars!

[Yak]

Originally posted by bludnik
About the same? Sweden is muuuuuch cheaper than Norway...

Ah yes, I forgot to add that it excludes Sweden. I know it's a lot cheaper, just forgot to add, sorry ;). But income taxes apply to Sweden also.

- Yak

[gjg]

taxes suck no matter where you are .....

[RS4Ever]

Originally posted by gjg
taxes suck no matter where you are .....

Word! :alig:

[jackal]

Originally posted by bludnik
which cayenne?

the RS6 estate retails at 247 986 USD (1 521 100NOK)

the cayenne S at 220 091 USD (1 350 000NOK)
and
the cayenne turbo at 301 607 USD (1 850 000 NOK)

i refuse to believe that the :addict: is more expensive somewhere else than here in Norway... :rolleyes:

The one you listed... the V6

Believe it, Denmark has the second highest taxes on cars in EU... :(

[jackal]

a little picture of the F***ed up prices in DK... :(


hmmm, didn't work... but the danish prices on an RS6 is 1.931.000,00 DKK, you can recalc it... :)

And the RS6+ is at about 2.200.000,00 DKK...

[bludnik]

Originally posted by gjg
taxes suck no matter where you are .....

yes yes... taxes suck and all that... some taxes suck, that i admit. like when i pay like 3000NOK/500USD per year on "road tax". this tax is to be used for "improving, rebuilding and building new roads and highways" here in Norway. However, about 17% is actually used for this, the rest goes into what we call "the oil fund" which contains about 950 000 000 000 NOK or something. Norway's savings account for future generations to benefit from. Norway was the first country since Spain in the "conquistador age" that actually is a net creditor, ive heard. Anyways. I think we should reduce the road tax to 25% of todays standard and increase road building.

But all taxes doesnt suck... For example when me and my brother were in a HUGE crash (bad roads!!!!) and crashed in a Volvo doing 110km/t right into a dumper truck, it was good that medical treatment is socialised here. Free surgery and free ambulance helicopter for my brother and free medical treatment and free ambulance for me. I liked that we didnt get a 500 000 USD bill after the accident... PRetty sweet ey? :hahahehe:

[gjg]

medical treatment is socialised here.

wait till lawyers will get in the picture and start suing doctors ..... you will see the "free" healthcare going apeshit

[bludnik]

Originally posted by gjg
wait till lawyers will get in the picture and start suing doctors ..... you will see the "free" healthcare going apeshit

well luckily, unlike the us, you cant sue people for everything here in Norway... We dont think that if you burn your tounge on a cup of coffee is worth $1 million... :D :D :D

people sueing for malpractice isnt that common, since not that many people get in that situation... but if you sue and win, there's no problem since all hospitals are runned by the government, not the provinces, so we have enough money to pay without it affecting the hospitals services. thank god. :hahahehe:

[Yak]

Originally posted by gjg
wait till lawyers will get in the picture and start suing doctors ..... you will see the "free" healthcare going apeshit

Unlikely. For example here it's in the law that you can't make money from lawsuits. So payments are very small, you'd probably get from losing a hand few thousand euros. Drive 25km/h overspeed to a radar and you can get fined few hundred thousand euros, if you have high income.

It's not USA everywhere.

- Yak

[Klint]

Originally posted by gjg
wait till lawyers will get in the picture and start suing doctors ..... you will see the "free" healthcare going apeshit

LOOOL!!! :D

[gjg]

Drive 25km/h overspeed to a radar and you can get fined few hundred thousand euros, if you have high income.

It's not USA everywhere.


well, this is communism - so for that matter I'd rather have US system - you can spent time in jail for speeding, equal treatment ...

if you like the system than don't bitch about your taxes. There is a price for everything, freedom included.

:thumb:

[gjg]

For example here it's in the law that you can't make money from lawsuits.

what happens in case of gross negligence?

Road Department forgets to mark construction site, you crash and die? Doctor makes a mistake and takes out wrong kidney?

I agree that in some cases the greed takes over the system but if there is no accountability on the other side it is not that good for Joe Citizen either.

:argue:

[Yak]

Originally posted by gjg
if you like the system than don't bitch about your taxes. There is a price for everything, freedom included.

Never said I like the system, it's not really to my advantage at all, so I'd rather move elsewhere after studies.

It's just.. there's no better country than Finland.. ;), maybe I'll make money elsewhere and then return ;)

- Yak

[Erik]

I have an idea.

Sweden should declare war on Norway in the morning and surrender in the afternoon.

That way we could live on the norvigeans oil money, and since we then would be 9 million people vs. Norways ~5 million we could vote for lower car taxes.

What do you think? I should become a politician. :D

[Yak]

Originally posted by gjg
Road Department forgets to mark construction site, you crash and die? Doctor makes a mistake and takes out wrong kidney?

What good would the money do after dieing anyway? Anyway, whoever was responsible will get criminal charge of causing death.

In case they take wrong kidney out, you'll probably get some money, not much, whoever was responsible will get investigated about his doctoral license or something.

Why does it always have to be money? What good will paying do anyway?

- Yak

[bludnik]

Originally posted by gjg
well, this is communism - so for that matter I'd rather have US system - you can spent time in jail for speeding, equal treatment ...

if you like the system than don't bitch about your taxes. There is a price for everything, freedom included.

:thumb:

no... it's socialism... and it IS actually equality... you drive too fast, the police fine you 10% of your monthly salary. that way it stings as much as if you're a very rich man or not...

we bitch about the car taxes ;)

[bludnik]

Originally posted by Erik
I have an idea.

Sweden should declare war on Norway in the morning and surrender in the afternoon.

That way we could live on the norvigeans oil money, and since we then would be 9 million people vs. Norways ~5 million we could vote for lower car taxes.

What do you think? I should become a politician. :D

You wouldnt even make it over the mountains and over to us in western Norway. Yes yes, you'd be able to take the eastern provinces like Oslo, Akershus, Østfold, Vestfold, Oppland and Hedemark. Maybe even Telemark, Vest-Agder and Øst-Agder. But that's about it. You'd never take the north-norwegians... :bye2: :bye2: :bye2: hehehehehehe :hihi: :hihi:

[Benman]

Originally posted by bludnik
no... it's socialism... and it IS actually equality... you drive too fast, the police fine you 10% of your monthly salary. that way it stings as much as if you're a very rich man or not...

we bitch about the car taxes ;)

Hey, I like that idea. That way all your mega rich rap, rock, sports and Hollywood Stars will be paying just as much as the rest of us. Think about it. Do you think Payton Manning or Tom Cruise give a rats about a $200-$400 ticket? I think not.

[gjg]

That way all your mega rich rap,....

well, may be, however 30 days in jail looks even better - imagine one of them cleaning Hollywood Blv in orange jumpsuit .....:applause:

and where is the point system

:thumb:

[gjg]

no... it's socialism... and it IS actually equality...

I love the "equality" - when government starts dividing wealth according to needs (as determined by some bureaucratic a..hole) is time to either change the system or move somewhere else ...

[7:53 RS6]

I accually did get 1 mothe in jail when driving 160km/h on a 90km road in Norway. Also ended up paying all cost for the trail.

Nead I to say that I have a track record in speeding since the past. But now Im all grown up
:D allmost anyway

[bludnik]

Originally posted by gjg
well, may be, however 30 days in jail looks even better - imagine one of them cleaning Hollywood Blv in orange jumpsuit .....:applause:

and where is the point system

:thumb:

you shouldnt be put in jail for speeding... you should get fined and maybe get community service or be forced to sell the perticular car you were driving, but not go to jail...:eek:

[Benman]

Originally posted by gjg
well, may be, however 30 days in jail looks even better - imagine one of them cleaning Hollywood Blv in orange jumpsuit .....:applause:

and where is the point system

:thumb:
Ahhh... but you forget that most popular rappers (not to mention Hollow wood stars with all the drug related crap) have already SPENT that much time in the slammer:D (doesn't seem to have any effect on them, with the possible exceptions of them selling even more records!:D ).

Ben:addict:

[Benman]

Originally posted by gjg
I love the "equality" - when government starts dividing wealth according to needs (as determined by some bureaucratic a..hole) is time to either change the system or move somewhere else ...
Funny, we have the same thing here in the States. Except here, its called Wellfare!:doh:

Ben:addict:

[7:53 RS6]

Originally posted by bludnik
you shouldnt be put in jail for speeding... you should get fined and maybe get community service or be forced to sell the perticular car you were driving, but not go to jail...:eek:

Thats what I thought as well. Sure I have been busted some times befor in Sweden as well when speeding but onley fine and lost licence. This was looked on when giving the 30days I know.

Guess what the Swedish goverment did think of this matter when they years later did recive the trail thing fom the Noway goverment and it said 30 days in jail for speeding.

The Swedish goverment jail peopel did :D and almost fell of their chairs when I turned up to do my time for this crime. And they said whit a smile that Norway is crazy.

As Im a god citizen I got the 30 days in jail transfered to have the ellectronic fot divice.
This is any way a totaly crazy memory I have and is never going to forget it. It make me :hihi: when I think of how bizare it was.
And I am from Norway, glad I live in Sweden:D

[Erik]

Originally posted by 8:29 RS6
I got the 30 days in jail transfered to have the ellectronic fot divice.

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-63682/boja/R641.jpg

:rotflmao:

[Bingocaller]

Originally posted by bludnik
You wouldnt even make it over the mountains and over to us in western Norway. Yes yes, you'd be able to take the eastern provinces like Oslo, Akershus, Østfold, Vestfold, Oppland and Hedemark. Maybe even Telemark, Vest-Agder and Øst-Agder. But that's about it. You'd never take the north-norwegians... :bye2: :bye2: :bye2: hehehehehehe :hihi: :hihi:

I should remind u both that Sweden once belonged to Denmark and most of the oil owned by Norway now, also once were on danish hands. If that danish politician hadnt been so drunk that evening the made the cuts then I would be filthy rich :D :bye2: :D

And yes our tax system IS the most insane ! Dont know if that is something to be proud of :cry:

[Erik]

Originally posted by Bingocaller
I should remind u both that Sweden once belonged to Denmark

Don't mention the war... ;)

Most of Europe once belonged to Sweden...

:king: :king: :king: :king:

[Bingocaller]

Originally posted by Erik
Don't mention the war... ;)

Most of Europe once belonged to Sweden...

:king: :king: :king: :king:

And u have a king in his Ferrari and 2 times sweet princesses :heart:

Cant compare to that :cry:

Only thing that cheers me up is your prices on liquer

[bludnik]

Originally posted by Erik
Don't mention the war... ;)

Most of Europe once belonged to Sweden...

:king: :king: :king: :king:

Most is an overstatement...

Yeah yeah... as long as everybody knows that the real vikings came from Norway. The real "let's pillage and rape and loot" vikings...

Among them, Erik Raude who discovered America looooong before that spaniard/portugese/italian or what ever nation he came from, mr Columbus... :hahahehe:

btw... i think this is the largest topic on this "off topic" forum thingy... :D

[bludnik]

Originally posted by Bingocaller
and most of the oil owned by Norway now, also once were on danish hands. If that danish politician hadnt been so drunk that evening the made the cuts then I would be filthy rich :D :bye2: :D

Well, at that time Norway wasnt much more than some mountains with scattered settlements... I dont think oil was even invented... Oil wasnt bored for until the 1960s...

And by the way, we are the rightful owners of Greenland.. Give it us back you filthy red sausage eating danes! Or else we'll take over your little sand flake in the sea... :eye: :D :D :D

Joking... :D :D :D :rolleyes:

[Bingocaller]

Originally posted by bludnik
Well, at that time Norway wasnt much more than some mountains with scattered settlements... I dont think oil was even invented... Oil wasnt bored for until the 1960s...

And by the way, we are the rightful owners of Greenland.. Give it us back you filthy red sausage eating danes! Or else we'll take over your little sand flake in the sea... :eye: :D :D :D

Joking... :D :D :D :rolleyes:

OK we can make a small trade:

U get the Icecube and we get all the oil plus some off your sweet girls :thumb:

Deal :0:

[Klint]

Originally posted by Bingocaller
OK we can make a small trade:

U get the Icecube and we get all the oil plus some off your sweet girls :thumb:

Deal :0:

hehehe, there's a black market in the making, I'm sure the EU will object to the trade of humans? Breatching (sp?) the human rights laws? :hihi:

[bludnik]

Originally posted by Bingocaller
OK we can make a small trade:

U get the Icecube and we get all the oil plus some off your sweet girls :thumb:

Deal :0:

How about this... you guys make the eu stop the law that norwegian salmon has to be packed in an eu country (denmark) to be sold in the eu + greenland and we'll give you an oilfield...

girls? dont you guys have nice girls for yourselves? Keep away from our women, dane! We not be pimpin' :cool2:

[Yak]

Originally posted by bludnik
Most is an overstatement...


Indeed. Sweden fought until last Finn. It's pretty accurate statement in Sweden vs. Russia wars, and from WWII.

Funny world ;)

- Yak

[Bauer]

This thread is all over the place....entertaining nontheless. So here we go.

I wouldn't mind paying taxes if it wern't for all of the waste and red tape in goverment. My thought is....goverment really does not have any "competition".

For example here in the us, we have Democrates, Republicans and some other scraglers that can't get their act together. But in truth it is still the same goverment.

Now in the business world, if two companys are bidding for a project, they do their research and put forth what they feel is a competitive bid. Who ever has the best bid, wins.

And to me that is how goverment should be...two totaly seperate goverments giving the people bids for 4 years worth of work. That way there would be real competition and a drive to get things done Efficiently, without endless waste. Because in the end it is the waste that causes taxes to go up. It is unbelievable the amount of money a goverment can blow through...without any real effort. There is just no drive for efficiency. If companys were run like goverments they would be out of business.

Yes, I know unlikely..just my thoughts.

Sorry, rant is over ....carry on:D :D
:bye:

[jackal]

Baah, nevermind!!

[gjg]

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Originally posted by gjg
I love the "equality" - when government starts dividing wealth according to needs (as determined by some bureaucratic a..hole) is time to either change the system or move somewhere else ...
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Funny, we have the same thing here in the States. Except here, its called Wellfare!

Ben


Ben, US welfare program is highway robbery as far as taxpayers go but it is even worse in Europe ..... and it is far from "government dividing wealth according to the needs" - BT

[bludnik]

Originally posted by Bauer
This thread is all over the place....entertaining nontheless. So here we go.

I wouldn't mind paying taxes if it wern't for all of the waste and red tape in goverment. My thought is....goverment really does not have any "competition".

For example here in the us, we have Democrates, Republicans and some other scraglers that can't get their act together. But in truth it is still the same goverment.

Now in the business world, if two companys are bidding for a project, they do their research and put forth what they feel is a competitive bid. Who ever has the best bid, wins.

And to me that is how goverment should be...two totaly seperate goverments giving the people bids for 4 years worth of work. That way there would be real competition and a drive to get things done Efficiently, without endless waste. Because in the end it is the waste that causes taxes to go up. It is unbelievable the amount of money a goverment can blow through...without any real effort. There is just no drive for efficiency. If companys were run like goverments they would be out of business.

Yes, I know unlikely..just my thoughts.

Sorry, rant is over ....carry on:D :D
:bye:

rather amusing string of thoughts you have... i'll give you that... hehe...

what you americans should do, is change the legal system a bit so that people cant sue for just about anything. "i burnt my tounge on some coffee. give me some money" and your damn judges give them several million dollars. do you know what the judge would have done to me if i did that in norway? he'd say "tough luck..." and if a punishment was to be given to the people "responsible" for burnng my tounge, it would be a voucher for a free cup of coffee for me. eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth in small settlements... but back to the matter at hand... i mean, how much money do you guys spend on the legal system each year? cut away all non-essensial cases and you'll save thousands of dollars each in taxes... :hahahehe: :hahahehe:

the problem however with i.e. the republicans making the lowest bid is that they'd see "hmm... 100 billion to run the damn place. we'll bid 50 billion and get 50 billion in endorcements and commercials lieing around the place".

picture this. you're charged with murdering your accountant and your wife with a 9-iron after you found them in bed together when you came home from 18 holes at the local links... the judge says "in the case of the people versus John Smith, has the jury made a verdict?" and the foreman of the jury says "yes. but first, some words from our sponsor, Long Johnson Silver's Carpet Haven. If you want quality carpets at low low prices, take your buccaneers abouard and head you sturdy ship down to Long Johnson Silver's Carpet Haven and we'll show you our swag. Now with authentic pirate-clothed staff! Long Jonhson Silver's Carpet Haven - for your low price quality carpet needs", then continues to say "we find the defendant not guilty".:trash:

I mean, come on... I would kill the foreman for dragging that shit out... Just tell me if im gonna either be the bitch of a 10 feet tall black guy by the name o "Bubba", if im gonna get more power through me than Jean-Luc Picard's fasergun or if i'm gonna be a free man already! :D :D :D :D :applause:

[gjg]

what you americans should do, is change the legal system a

Bludnik - remember Shakespeare?

"If we want to have democracy we first need to hang all lawyers ..." :idea:

but, rest assured this infection is already spreading in Europe too ...... and it will get worse, socialism or not .....

:applause:

[Benman]

Originally posted by gjg
Ben, US welfare program is highway robbery as far as taxpayers go but it is even worse in Europe ..... and it is far from "government dividing wealth according to the needs" - BT
gjg,

Yes, it is highway robbery. The fact that it's even worse in Europe is sad, but it being "far from 'government dividing wealth according to the needs' ", I beg to differ.

Any time there is a government program where MY tax dollars go to someone else to feed their 5 kids from 3 different men (who all left BTW, that is unless the welfare check is big enough:D ), that IS dividing wealth according to "needs". The fact that they can sit on their butt and continue to have bastard children (not cursing, that is the real word for out of wedlock) and I, Bauer, nene, etc.... pay for the upbringing of those children and ALL their medical expenses IS dividing of wealth. If you mean that some countries in Europe have it on a larger scale, then yes that I admit is true.

As for Bauer's quote on taxes: "It is unbelievable the amount of money a goverment can blow through...without any real effort. There is just no drive for efficiency. If companys were run like goverments they would be out of business." , yes it is unbelievable. But what is more unbelievable is the amount of money the government collects through INFLATION! That is a tax FAR larger than any we pay through our paycheck! When the dollar (or Euro, Yen, etc... ) can buy a loaf of bread and then 5 or 10 years later it takes 2 dollars, stop and think. That equates to half our income! On top of our taxes!

The real problem is that the average person (no matter what country they are from does not realize that inflation IS tax! And when all that purchasing power goes to third world countries (through the IMF) which then proceed to WASTE it, (be real, the quality of life hasn't improved) THAT IS "DIVIDING OF WEALTH!"

PLease don't take it as me being mad at people on this forum, it is just frustrating that people don't realize just how much "taxing" really goes on, and that the U.S. is a "free" country "against" communism. That's is all. Sorry for the rant.

Ben:addict:

[espen]

Originally posted by Erik
I have an idea.

Sweden should declare war on Norway in the morning and surrender in the afternoon.

That way we could live on the norvigeans oil money, and since we then would be 9 million people vs. Norways ~5 million we could vote for lower car taxes.

What do you think? I should become a politician. :D

Exellent idea :D

[gjg]

And when all that purchasing power goes to third world countries (through the IMF) which then proceed to WASTE it, (be real, the quality of life hasn't improved) THAT IS "DIVIDING OF WEALTH!"

I think there is a difference in view of "dividing of wealth" - what I am talking about is the typical socialistic/communist point of view where no matter how good Ben is and how much income he generates for the company he will get the same $100 as Johhn Doe cleaning the streets (and of course the same benefits) - after all under that "management" everyone is equall (except the goverment officials being slightly more equall than rest of the country of course - how could I forget) .....

Providing $$ to thirld world countries so they can send delegates to UN to participate in oil for food shit and vote against US (with some coaching from selected European countries) any damn chance they get is not "DIVIDING OF WEALTH!" - this is our (American) stupidity.

gg

:cry:

[Benman]

Originally posted by gjg
I think there is a difference in view of "dividing of wealth" - what I am talking about is the typical socialistic/communist point of view where no matter how good Ben is and how much income he generates for the company he will get the same $100 as Johhn Doe cleaning the streets (and of course the same benefits) - after all under that "management" everyone is equall (except the goverment officials being slightly more equall than rest of the country of course - how could I forget) .....

Providing $$ to thirld world countries so they can send delegates to UN to participate in oil for food shit and vote against US (with some coaching from selected European countries) any damn chance they get is not "DIVIDING OF WEALTH!" - this is our (American) stupidity.

gg

:cry:
Now I must be carefull here or the flaming will comence:)

Yes, there is a difference. No matter how hard Ben works he will get paid the same as John Doe (who does very little). However we must remember that under "true" communist conditions that if John Doe does TOO little, then John Doe will be shot (at least in old communist countries)! You must be worth something to the communist country for them to keep you. But at least you know what to expect.

I think the main difference is not that dividing of wealth doesn't take place in the States, simply that it takes place differently. It does still take place, just not on the same scale. And with the John Doe here in the States (welfare Joe and Jane) they don't have to do jack squat! And it would be ludicrous to even concieve of them getting shot! So there is no fear. They also don't even need to train for a job, simply come up with excuses as to why they must stay at home with the 12 kids (and I just got pregnate again by this guy I met last night so...).

As for the IMF, yes it is indeed the stupidity of this country. But then again, we the people have VERY little say. The money that goes from us to them is NOT our decision. It is the government's. You never even know it happened until you read about it on the BACK page of the newspaper. $50 billion here, $75 billion there. Again, a form of dividing of wealth, but instead of keeping it in the SAME country (ala commies) we give it (just as gg states) to countries that hate us! Stupid indeed!

I have no answers just admiting that I am most certainly not your typical American who buys into all the "land of the free" that is shoved down our throats. Even Nickelodeon is brainwashing the kids with "democracy" songs. Please remember that nearly HALF of ALL of US presidents have at one time or another belonged to "social democrats" societies. CFR is one of them! The more research you do the more you wish you didn't.

Ben

[Benman]

Bludnik,

If I hijacked your thread I apologies:)

Ben

[bludnik]

Originally posted by Benman
Bludnik,

If I hijacked your thread I apologies:)

Ben

Hey... Listen here... I started a simple thread to tell about Norway's tax system and you insult me and my family by turning it in to this. This what it is. But i'm a civilized man, so i would like to give you the oportunity to make amends...

i'll forgive you if you show me a small token of friendship...

Say, a Porsche 911 Turbo S?

Capiche?

:eye:

Or, you can get me a new job... i hate mine. i hate it i hate it i hate it and i dont wanna do it no more *acting like a 4th grader* :D :D :D :D :D :D

PS: Dont mess with the Norwegian mob... Or we'll loot and pillage your village... :D :D :D

[Benman]

Originally posted by bludnik
Hey... Listen here... I started a simple thread to tell about Norway's tax system and you insult me and my family by turning it in to this.
i'll forgive you if you show me a small token of friendship...

Say, a Porsche 911 Turbo S?

Capiche?

:eye:
PS: Dont mess with the Norwegian mob... Or we'll loot and pillage your village... :D :D :D
Capiche:D