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Erik
August 27th, 2004, 17:41
Something for RS6, RS4 etc.?

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/bugatti_news/article_535.shtml

BorgWarner DualTronic(TM), the company's wet-clutch and control-system technology for a new-concept automated transmission that was launched this year on the Audi TT 3.2 and VW Golf R32, is on the 2004 Bugatti 16.4 Veyron. The industry-first technology enables a manual transmission to evolve and perform like an automatic transmission, yet deliver vehicle fuel economy improvements over automatic transmissions.

"The Bugatti 16.4 Veyron is the fastest, most powerful production vehicle ever built," said Tim Manganello, BorgWarner Chairman and CEO. "While the volume of a limited-edition vehicle is small, the role that DualTronic(TM) plays in the Bugatti certainly illustrates the far-reaching potential of the technology. The system's capacity for extremely fast yet imperceptibly smooth clutch-to-clutch shifts -- not to mention its ability to manage the highest engine output on the road, powered by four BorgWarner turbochargers -- figures prominently in the vehicle's performance."

With DualTronic(TM), starting and shifting characteristics can be easily adapted to achieve a very smooth feel that rivals the conventional automatic transmission, with fuel economy improvements in the 10-to-15 percent range. Manganello said BorgWarner expects the demand for this technology to grow to 18 percent of the European passenger car market by 2010, and to gain a foothold in North America and Japan during that time.

Development of the system for VW was the result of collaboration between engineers throughout BorgWarner's network of technology operations, and based at the BorgWarner European Advanced Transmission Development Center in Ketsch, Germany. DualTronic(TM) earned BorgWarner a VW Group 2003 Excellence in Development Award, which recognizes exceptional performance of suppliers to VW, Audi, Skoda, Seat, Bentley, Bugatti and Lamborghini. Twenty-five suppliers were honored in the areas of quality, logistics/delivery, entrepreneurship, environment and development. BorgWarner was one of only two U.S.-based companies to receive the award, and the only supplier in the drivetrain area of the five companies honored in the development category.

Pending customer permission, Manganello said BorgWarner expects to announce at least two more customers for DualTronic(TM) in 2004. "Combining our wet-clutch expertise with our advanced electrohydraulic control strategies has resulted in a very exciting and high-potential new technology from BorgWarner's Drivetrain Group," he said. "DualTronic(TM) is an integral part of our growth strategy."

BorgWarner Inc. (NYSE: BWA) is a product leader in highly engineered components and systems for vehicle powertrain applications worldwide. The company operates manufacturing and technical facilities in 43 locations in 14 countries. Customers include Ford, DaimlerChrysler, General Motors, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai/Kia, Caterpillar, Navistar International, Renault/Nissan, Peugeot and VW/Audi. The Internet address for BorgWarner is: http://www.bwauto.com . For further information contact BorgWarner Corporate Communications at 312-322-8500.

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nene
August 27th, 2004, 17:50
Thanks once again for the great information you continuously bring forth to this forum.

As a member of a few other forums, I have never seen a forum admin so positively engaged on the everyday health of the information provided.
Usually we equate an admin as someone who simply makes sure the forum is up and running. We also equate the partial extra duties as making sure there are is minimal exchange of personal attacks.

However in your case Erik, we see time and time again how you allow lots of information to be brought forth by the admins, and they range in topics and car brands.

Thanks again and again and again for your continued flow of great information!!!
Bring it on 'Daddy'!

Erik
August 27th, 2004, 18:09
Thanks nene! btw, you have a pm.


I've been looking for a solution/product like this for some time.

If you have driven SMG/DSG/e-Gear or whatever they prefer to call it there's no turning back! :revs:

Nordschleife
August 27th, 2004, 18:14
This is an old press release from BW, about 6 months ago.

The reality is that this is a technology before its time. It doesn't work, yet. On the Veyron they are splitting transmission cases, in practice it is not reliable enough to put in anything more powerful than a Golf or a TT.

At some stage, BW and Ricardo will make it work, the world might just have moved on by then. Porsche has stopped talking about it, you may have noticed.

R+C

Erik
August 27th, 2004, 18:17
Originally posted by Nordschleife
Porsche has stopped talking about it, you may have noticed.


Yes. But if BMW can have SMG in their 6-cyl car Porsche could too, if there's space. And if Lambo and Ferrari can do it with 500 hp and more... 1000 hp/Nm is perhaps another story.

And no news on Haldex or "whatever system" for the 4WD.