996 Turbo - Tip or man

[McBurn4ever]

Anyone who has driven both the Tiptronic and the manual version of a Porsche 996 Turbo?

I'm speculating in buying one, both as an investment :) and as pure pleasure :D
..and at first I thought manual was the only option, but since I've never driven
one with a Tiptronic I'm starting to wonder if manual really is the right/only option.

Enyone that has driven both??
Is it just me getting old?? :bigeyes: :bigeyes: :bigeyes:



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[Klint]

Par,

Manual is the way to go, it's a sports car (well, supercar actually!) and it just wont cut the butter having a Mercedes sourced clush box underneath the paintwork.

I haven't driven neither the Tip. or the Man. 996 Turbo, so I couldn't give first hand experience with either, although, I have experienced the Mercedes Benz Tiptronic gearbox and it wasn't anywhere near the involvement produced by a Manual box.

Go hassle your nearest Porsche dealer, I'm sure they're obliged to book you in for a test drive.

P.S I don't believe the 996T has any value as an investment. :)

[Erik]

Manual!!! :thumb:

[Nordschleife]

Porsche made tens of thousands of 996 Turbos - there are much better cars to pick as an investment.

R+C

[McBurn4ever]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough..
I'm definitely not planing on buying a brand new Porsche.
I was talking about a used car, either here in Sweden, or import from Germany.

A new car would definitely not be anything near a good investment,
but to import the right car from Germany for the right price could be..
..at least if you count "pure pleasure" as par of the investment.. :D

I'd rather lose money this way then on boring papers like shares and funds..


Otherwise you are both right...I think..
Since my S4 has a manual stick it would be really wacko to get a 996 Turbo with Tiptronic.
Anyway...I plan to have one with Tip tested before I buy anything..


There is another car for sale here in Sweden that also has caught my attention.
A white 996 GT3RS with 2000 km on the odometer.
The price is >€ 20.000 below the price of a new car.
I guess Taxi would have been cheaper for those 2000 km..don't you think.. ;) ;)

http://www.micar.net/carnet/MODELOS/porsche/911CarreraC/nt03-gt3RS.jpg


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[Eckoman]

Manual or Tip? :incar: :cool2:

Tip on a Porsche is the first step of becoming a homosexual.

[sturs6]

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Originally posted by Eckoman
Manual or Tip? :incar: :cool2:

Tip on a Porsche is the first step of becoming a homosexual.

[CarbonFibre]

Get the GT3 RS with a tip :doh:

[McBurn4ever]

Ok...I am starting to get the whole picture now..
There are many people here with an extremely good sense of humour..
..but no one who has driven both the Tiptronic and the manual version of a Porsche 996 Turbo..


Of course I want a GT3RS with a Tip... http://celica.net/ubb/graemlins/noob.gif
That would be like putting the engine from my lawn mower in a F1-car.. :thumb:



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[Erik]

McBurn, this car is for sale, a 2002.

http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3508&highlight=techart

It can be sold without the tuning, Öhlins etc. according to what you like. I think it has about 25000 km on the odo. The interior is one of a kind with full leather and carbon fibre.

And...it's a manual ;)

[McBurn4ever]

Absolutely awesome car...and I've never seen enything like the interior.. :applause:

Just one problem..beside from the fact that I don't know the price..the color.. I hate black!!
The colors I had in mind was more something like Sealgrey, Silvermetalic, Indischrot or maybe if I dare Speedyellow..
Black is a color I would never choose. It's always dirty and it makes the beautiful shape of the 996 vanish..disappear..
Look at the front of a Speedyellow 996 Turbo, with its huge black air-intake in the front...if you get that in your rear mirror you know that you will be eaten alive if you don't move your ass quick.. On the same car in black the intakes just disappear..

http://www.porsche.se/911/prices/bilder/turbo_zoom.jpg


Where in sweden is the car located?


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[Erik]

Originally posted by McBurn4ever
Where in sweden is the car located?


In Stockholm.

This C4 is also for sale:

http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=26183#post26183

(edit - perhaps it is sold?)

[McBurn4ever]

Here are two cars that has caught my attention.

Sealgrey:
http://www.bytbil.com/carinfo.cgi?id=65BFB3B5F8E150&sort=time&sellertype=seller_cars&marke=Porsche&laen=all&gearbox=all&fuel=all&model_only=996&model_strict=996&model_type=turbo&yearfrom=0&yearto=2004&pricefrom=0&priceto=999999999&milesfrom=0&milesto=999999999&sessionid=12746370955&no=1

Silver:
http://www.bytbil.com/carinfo.cgi?id=37916DA517C1D5&sort=time&sellertype=seller_cars&marke=Porsche&laen=all&gearbox=all&fuel=all&model_only=996&model_strict=996&model_type=turbo&yearfrom=0&yearto=2004&pricefrom=0&priceto=999999999&milesfrom=0&milesto=999999999&sessionid=12746526855&no=2

But as you see the problem is that both have Tip..


A Carrera C4 would be nice, but I think it's to weak for me since I drive 344 hp S4
as my everyday car, a car with very similar performance compared to the C4.. :cool2:

[hbo1]

Hi !

go for manual, with the tiptronic you will loose too much of the potential of this fantastic car.

Mercedes a really great with an auto gearbox but not a porsche it's day/night. In a Turbo you have a lot of power it can help if you take the tiptronic sys but you will loose too much of power and sensation...

That's my point of view, if you want an automatic car take an AMG a CLK 55 for instance you can find one (not the actual) for a good price and it's a fantastic car in all points...

bye

[CarbonFibre]

Yeah, some have said "It's not a Porsche if it doesn't have 3 pedals."

[McBurn4ever]

All I read here is thoughts...
I've allready told you that I share your opinion that I think a 996 Turbo should have a manual stick.

The question:
"Anyone who has driven both the Tiptronic and the manual version of a Porsche 996 Turbo?"


I'm starting to think I'll have to get that experience myself.. :incar:

[CarbonFibre]

Making a decision based on someone else's experience wouldn't be the right thing to do anyway. Everyone is different, and only you can see how you like it.

[Erik]

This might help:

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7563&highlight=manual+or+tip

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6020&highlight=manual+or+tip

Or get the Gallardo with e-Gear ;)

[McBurn4ever]

That's more like it.. Thanks!! :D :D



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[AuDi-A6-quattro]

loose the turbo, get a GT3, the best 911 ever made:0:

[itisme]

I once watched a test on TV with a Gallardo and a Porsche 911 Turbo both having no manual transmisson. The Gallardo has won the fight very clearly bacause of his e-gear. Their result was:

A Porsche with automatic only attracts older people in the age of 70... but the Gallardo is a hell of fun... they said they have to make another test with manual gearbox for the porsche to make it a real competition.

[McBurn4ever]

Finally I got the time last Thursday to arrange testdrives with two 996tt..one manual and one tiptronic..


First out was a black (wrong color for me, I know) 2001 996tt with manual stick.

This car is mean! ..and definitely addictive..
Since I've only driven 996 C2 and C4 before I did not really know what to expect..power of course..but how much?

Let me tell you..it's enough!
When the turbos charge 100% the power is brutal...almost out of control.. I've seen cars for sale in germany with like 570 hp?!? Que? Where the h_ll do I land that kind of car? LAX, CPH, STO??

This car was stock when it comes power...420hp..
Since the weather wasn't so good..it rained more or less all day..it was a bit difficult to test the car all the way.. But if I should estimate one thing I think that at the same time my S4 makes 0-150km/h the Porsche does 0-220km/h...at least it felt that way..

When I got back in my Audi S4 I immediately noticed a couple of things.
1. No carmaker comes near the quality that you find in an Audi...that includes Porsche..
2. I truly love the way my S4 feels..cruising along or flooring it doesn't matter.. I love it!
3. Since the rain had started coming down in buckets I understand that it was no meaning to testdrive the other car..a silver 2001 996tt with tiptronic. Maybe another day?

I don't know why, but for some reason I don't feel the nead to drive a 996tt tip any more..

Now I only have to wait for the 17th of July and the premiere of the brand new 997 Carrera S... Maybe 355hp/400Nm out of a 3,8l NA engine is more what I am looking for?

http://www.porsche.se/obj/docpart/40a0071d57ce8.jpg http://www.porsche.se/obj/docpart/40a005dcc7aa4.jpg

But when again, maybe not..
..did I tell you that the 996tt was addictive..? :360:

[Klint]

Originally posted by McBurn4ever
Finally I got the time last Thursday to arrange testdrives with two 996tt..one manual and one tiptronic..


First out was a black (wrong color for me, I know) 2001 996tt with manual stick.

This car is mean! ..and definitely addictive..
Since I've only driven 996 C2 and C4 before I did not really know what to expect..power of course..but how much?

Let me tell you..it's enough!
When the turbos charge 100% the power is brutal...almost out of control.. I've seen cars for sale in germany with like 570 hp?!? Que? Where the h_ll do I land that kind of car? LAX, CPH, STO??

This car was stock when it comes power...420hp..
Since the weather wasn't so good..it rained more or less all day..it was a bit difficult to test the car all the way.. But if I should estimate one thing I think that at the same time my S4 makes 0-150km/h the Porsche does 0-220km/h...at least it felt that way..

When I got back in my Audi S4 I immediately noticed a couple of things.
1. No carmaker comes near the quality that you find in an Audi...that includes Porsche..
2. I truly love the way my S4 feels..cruising along or flooring it doesn't matter.. I love it!
3. Since the rain had started coming down in buckets I understand that it was no meaning to testdrive the other car..a silver 2001 996tt with tiptronic. Maybe another day?

I don't know why, but for some reason I don't feel the nead to drive a 996tt tip any more..

Now I only have to wait for the 17th of July and the premiere of the brand new 997 Carrera S... Maybe 355hp/400Nm out of a 3,8l NA engine is more what I am looking for?

http://www.porsche.se/obj/docpart/40a0071d57ce8.jpg http://www.porsche.se/obj/docpart/40a005dcc7aa4.jpg

But when again, maybe not..
..did I tell you that the 996tt was addictive..? :360:

You know you want to. ;)

[cyberkallen]

Originally posted by McBurn4ever
Anyone who has driven both the Tiptronic and the manual version of a Porsche 996 Turbo?


Yes I have, and I would never pick the Tip ever. The manual gearbox in a Porsche is one of the best of its kind and I could never see a reason for giving that away. The Tiptronic is nothing like the sporty SMG II box that the BMW M3 has (which I enjoyed very much) and (the Tip) should be considered as an automatic gearbox with the ability to shift gears manually.

And that's another bad part. I don't see why on earth you would like the gear-changers in your steering-wheel!? I've driven the turbo tiptronic on a race-track and it is very easy that you change gears by mistake when you accidentally hit those buttons.

I've driven the whole present Porsche line-up (except for GT-GT2) and I must say that the 996 Carrera turbo is a great car, but it's not my favourite. For streetracing or long autobahn runs, it's perfect. But for track-days or everyday use my prefs are set for GT3 or a lowered C4.

Just my 2 €...

(Actually I am myself considering a '03 C4 with 30mm lowered suspension, sport exhaust, power-kit (345bhp) with 500km on the clock.) :incar: