Audi going down the tubes? All these major system issues on new cars

[DHall1]

So I took our 14 SQ5 in last week for no less than 5 recalls. Car has never been back to the dealer and I accept the poorly engineered platform as it is. I let the recall pile build up until the wife finally said what the heck are you trying to knock me off. Doh

of course they find broken stuff and need to order parts so it goes in again tomorrow

as I was researching the recalls all this bad news is everywhere about oil burning, class actions, Audi denying but settling on and on. People are really pissed off at Audi and the lack of quality. Oil burning etc etc.

I get it. Lots of new cars suck but the bulk of Audi's problems are hitting the bread and butter money makers for Audi. A4, Q5, A5.

Also, as the air bag recalls pile on and get higher and higher. Guess what the RS6 is free and clear. No airbag recalls.

Guess what else? My little 500Hp+ Cosworth masterpieces don't use a drop of oil.

I drove a nice clean D2 S8 yesterday and I'm tempted to start turning back my clocks and driving the older models that actually had build quality. That S8 was fantastic

[nene]

Our MY15 Macan Turbo had about 3 recalls so far. One still yet to be completed due to parts shortage.
Good luck.

[Cmnair]

Is it for the fire and airbag thing? 576,000 Audi vehicles recalled. :doh:

[DHall1]

Recalls happen. I get it

we are 5 and counting on the 14 SQ5. By 2014 you would think the bugs are worked out of that chassis. Same chassis for how many years?

what bothers me more are the claims of oil burning and what AoA is telling their bread and butter consumer.

"It's perfectly normal to add a quart of oil every 800 miles".

People are dumb but not that dumb

if AoA told me that on any vehicle I own.....some teeth would be on the ground and I would be driving to Manheim to auction that car off never to own an Audi again. That's just it. I know they are telling customers that BS and we are to accept a poorly designed platform and engine??!?

i know sales are high but this stuff has a way of biting you back.

[scottmandu]

You might want to look at BMW's campaign and recall history.. Low compression on engines due to cylinder all flaking, saftey issues etc. I'm afraid this is common with today's car manufacturers trying to cut costs meet emissions etc...

[DHall1]

Oh I agree completely

I'm certainly not buying a BMW product

I'm good with what I have. May swap the AMG for a 13 S8 at some point but I really enjoy that AMG twin turbo and the last rwd chassis.


You might want to look at BMW's campaign and recall history.. Low compression on engines due to cylinder all flaking, saftey issues etc. I'm afraid this is common with today's car manufacturers trying to cut costs meet emissions etc...

[MaxRS6]

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[nistah]

I drove a nice clean D2 S8 yesterday and I'm tempted to start turning back my clocks and driving the older models that actually had build quality. That S8 was fantastic


Agree on the build quality of the D2 S8 have always wanted one and almost bought a nice 2003 D2 S8, the 2003 is a real gem if you can find one in nice condition, IIRC less than 100 or so made it stateside for 03 MY which was last production of D2 and they had updated color combo options that 00-02 did not. I saw a nice Black exterior Brown interior for sale and I also like the Silver Exterior Cranberry interior. The D2 is discussed quite a bit on http://www.germancarsforsaleblog.com and they have a hammer time section detailing auction price trends. Let's see who is the first member on here to add a D2 to the fleet

[ttboost]

Yeah, I'm not sure how much longer I can resist a 13+ S8...

[DHall1]

Yes, the 13-14 S8 is on my radar.

Enjoyed my 13 E63 for the last year but it's time to move that along


Yeah, I'm not sure how much longer I can resist a 13+ S8...

[ZCD2.7T]

Compare Audi's current overall vehicle reliability with where they were 7 years or more ago and you'll see that if any era was "down the tubes", it was then, not now.

[DHall1]

I'm sure Kia's are very reliable. Doesn't mean I'm buying one

is a choo choo train Q5 burning a quart of oil every 1200 miles considerec reliable? Oh boy

Maybe if Audi paid their workers in Mexico more than $15 dollars a day there might be a bit more quality control.

[ZCD2.7T]

I'm sure Kia's are very reliable. Doesn't mean I'm buying one

is a choo choo train Q5 burning a quart of oil every 1200 miles considerec reliable? Oh boy

Maybe if Audi paid their workers in Mexico more than $15 dollars a day there might be a bit more quality control.

Thank you for completely ignoring the point I made, which directly addressed your original post...:rolleyes:

[DHall1]

Not really sure how "they" determine reliability but that was not my intent of the post.

Major system issues, engine problems and lack of quality. Oil burners everywhere and customers being told it's normal.

You hang your hat on reliability. Good for you

reliabilty can be debated as to what is included in that figure. I give a rats a$$ about some ambiguous claim of reliability when engines are burning thru oil like the Exxon Valdez.

choo choo train Audi's. All aboard

[ZCD2.7T]

...You hang your hat on reliability...

I get it - you've long been "glass half empty" on the topic of Audis newer than the C5 RS6, while I've long been "glass half full". We can agree to disagree.

But what do "Mexican workers" have to do with any model OTHER than the 2018 Q5? No Mexican workers touched your SQ5, so what's the point of even mentioning that?

[Cmnair]

If reliability and quality are built into the production process (as it is in modern manufacturing systems) it really is irrelevant where it is made. The manufacturing and assembly is pretty much baked in and consistent.

[DHall1]

Not all Audi's

I like the 13-14 S8 and the 13+ S6. I will own the S8 some time soon.

I accept our 14 SQ5 for what it is. Yeah there are some nagging issues but I accept it. I don't bother the dealer for any warranty work and it's been 100% reliable.

I dont have a issue with Mexican workers. I will not buy a Audi made at a plant in Mexico. There is a difference too much to go into but some of the 18 Q owners are finding out.

I do have a problem with Audi paying labor 15 dollars a day to build a $60000 dollar SUV. There will be QC issues and I will not be a buyer.

I also have a problem with Audi moving to Quattro ultra. Fwd system that engages the rear when needed is not Quattro. That's the beginning of the end. I will not be a buyer.

[ttboost]

Had some ass time in a '13 A8 4.0t today. Liked it, but didn't absolutely love it, but mighta could live with it...and the price is ~$10-12k less than a comparable year S8. My dilemma is, it will cost quite a bit just to get to S8 power. I figure $2500 for turbos, $2000 for downpipes and $1500 for APR tune. Spend $10k more and the same $6k, and I'm in super car territory, with a smidge nicer car. Damn cars....

[DHall1]

We have similar thinking

8 months ago

i found a 13 A8 4.0 w dynamic ride control and it had potential. Hard to find a non-L 4.0tt

i still wanted the S8

found my 13 E63 to spin around as a band aid until I find the right S8


Had some ass time in a '13 A8 4.0t today. Liked it, but didn't absolutely love it, but mighta could live with it...and the price is ~$10-12k less than a comparable year S8. My dilemma is, it will cost quite a bit just to get to S8 power. I figure $2500 for turbos, $2000 for downpipes and $1500 for APR tune. Spend $10k more and the same $6k, and I'm in super car territory, with a smidge nicer car. Damn cars....

[ttboost]

Yeah...I'm torn...the other difference, besides turbos, intake, etc... is the S8 has different cams as well...so even with all the other "bolt-ons", you'll never hit S8 power...but for the money, would it be good enough...?

[DHall1]

In the end, I decided no. I want the real deal as there are too many upgrades in the S8.

Give me the 10sec sedan with bolt ons and a flash. I'll take the S8


Yeah...I'm torn...the other difference, besides turbos, intake, etc... is the S8 has different cams as well...so even with all the other "bolt-ons", you'll never hit S8 power...but for the money, would it be good enough...?

[nistah]

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Always thought the RS7 would be the logical progression to the RS6 for us here stateside, however I have been admiring the S8 since it's release in 2013 almost if not more than the RS7. Can we use this thread or open a new thread to discuss merits of both S8 and RS7 platforms?

[DHall1]

I think just the shape lends the S8 to our eye better than the RS7

there will be some that are drawn to the RS7....but the S8 is more my style.

[Cmnair]

I think just the shape lends the S8 to our eye better than the RS7

there will be some that are drawn to the RS7....but the S8 is more my style.

Agreed... I don't find the RS7 shape appealing... S8 has the classic sedan lines with just a hint of aggression. How about the S8 Plus :)

[Aronis]

Had some ass time in a '13 A8 4.0t today. Liked it, but didn't absolutely love it, but mighta could live with it...and the price is ~$10-12k less than a comparable year S8. My dilemma is, it will cost quite a bit just to get to S8 power. I figure $2500 for turbos, $2000 for downpipes and $1500 for APR tune. Spend $10k more and the same $6k, and I'm in super car territory, with a smidge nicer car. Damn cars....

I drove a '13 A8L with the 4 liter turbo for three years, great car, it did not have all the bells and whistles but had the massage seats! LOL miss those. My dad has a '15 S8 (dayton grey LOL) and loves it. His has ALL the options. If you can get a CPO S8, you'll be very happy. He had the '14 A8L with the sports suspension which was MUCH better than my '13. Once he drove the 4.0 L Turbo his '12 NA was not good enough. He is toying with S8 plus and of course I encourage this purchase.

Mike

[ZCD2.7T]

I'm also a big fan of the S8, but am not willing to give up the practicality of a folding rear seat. :doh:

[papadoc]

Gotta put in a plug for the S6. Stock numbers not bad, but great bang for the buck with a tune. Personally, I preferred the look over the S8 and certainly over the 7s, and plenty of room unless you are Driving Miss Daisy and need a larger back seat area.