RS6 manual conversion, help needed.

[Knowa]

Hi guys

sadly my box is starting to give problems, taking long to engage reverse, with a really hard jolt, and hard shifts while driving. It's also not dripping oil, but losing oil.

I'm living currently in the Middle East, so I'll need to ship the parts to me... which will add to the job.

there have been many posts, and I have looked through a number of them, I would just like to have one for myself, so I can track and talk about any issues I run into.

what realistically can I expect to pay, shipping costs and labor aside?
what all do I need to make this work, and where can I get them?
what manual gearbox options do I have (part number), and can anyone help me get one?

[Knowa]

Can someone please comment on what it would take to properly fix the auto box. So I know what my option are before making a decision. Thanks guys

[lswing]

$2-4K for remove and replace, $2-5k for the rebuilt auto. Been through it a few times...

[Wide-66]

I just finished up my 6MT swap on my RS6. I highly suggest using the Steven Ken kit. The time savings and ease of install is worth it. Make sure to stay far away from TTV for the flywheel. It is junk, the bad flywheel caused me to r and r the transmission.

As for parts find a swap kit on this or other forum from a donor A6.

i just got back from Abu Dhabi and a manual RS6 would have been great on the highway out there.

[nubcake]

Hi guys

sadly my box is starting to give problems, taking long to engage reverse, with a really hard jolt, and hard shifts while driving. It's also not dripping oil, but losing oil.

I'm living currently in the Middle East, so I'll need to ship the parts to me... which will add to the job.

there have been many posts, and I have looked through a number of them, I would just like to have one for myself, so I can track and talk about any issues I run into.

what realistically can I expect to pay, shipping costs and labor aside?
what all do I need to make this work, and where can I get them?
what manual gearbox options do I have (part number), and can anyone help me get one?

You're roughly looking at $4-6k for parts only.
You will need:
-ANY 01E with 4.11 final drive (if buying from EU, DQT code is a good option),
-MT propshaft (or a spacer for the AT one - not recommended),
-MT front axles,
-Shifter & linkage, pedals, clutch cylinders, clutch line,
-Some minor bits like reverse wiring etc etc.
Here comes the cost variance:
"Cheap" version:
-Some manual flywheel. 10-bolt ones can be sourced either from old (C4) 4.2 S6, or from old MT S8, or the V8. Those will need to be modded for the RS6, though.
-Clutch. There are relatively cheap and working options. B7 RS4 for example, with accordingly modded flywheel.
-You will need to mod your engine block to move starter inwards, and have the transmission not bolted all the way around the bellhousing. Some may argue that this is not the proper way.
Expensive version:
-SteveKen's kit,
-SPEC 3+ 2.7 clutch or something similar.

On top of that don't forget to include proper ECU software, all the maintenance items (and maybe bigger turbos while at it).
I've had cars done both ways, both lasted, both are fine currently.

It's not cheap by any means, so it all really comes down to whether you like the MT or not.

[Knowa]

I have found a number of recon'd Gearboxes here in Qatar, they are Audi boxes and are for the 4.2 V8. is there only 1 gearbox that fits the RS6, or is there a list of a few I can consider?
Im waiting on the model number, to check if it will fit against what you guys tell me.

[Knowa]

Hi Nubcake.

I would LOVE a MT transmission!!! I use to have a Corvette Z06, manual 6 with a 7.0L V8. that was a bucket of fun, and just generally unsafe.
but it all comes down to $$$$$ i have other projects I would like to work on. and the Audi is a daily runner (or at least will be once its working again)

So if I can get an Auto box, thats in good condition... It might be the way to go.... maybe....

[nubcake]

is there only 1 gearbox that fits the RS6, or is there a list of a few I can consider?

Any 01E (that's the "family" designation) with the 4.11 final drive ratio will work. Here are some of A6 ones with "model" codes:
17771

You can even fit the "wrong" final drive as long as you replace your rear diff with the matching one.

Also, 0A3 (more modern family) can be made to work, but this way is more adventurous. :)

[Knowa]

are these all Manual or Auto boxes?

[lswing]

I have found a number of recon'd Gearboxes here in Qatar, they are Audi boxes and are for the 4.2 V8. is there only 1 gearbox that fits the RS6, or is there a list of a few I can consider?
Im waiting on the model number, to check if it will fit against what you guys tell me.

You will want an auto from an RS6, it's beefed up in a few places, and still weak. It's the ZF-5HP24A model. Here some more details on it from my website brochures. http://audirssix.com/index.php/extras

It may be possible to modify the trans from a 4.2 V8 A6, but I don't think so, and probably not worth cost/time. Just find a reconditioned RS6 box. Go on rs246.com, Europe mostly.

[nubcake]

are these all Manual or Auto boxes?

01E manuals with matching final drive.
Basically any one of those will be an (almost) direct fit, especially if acquired with everything I've listed earlier.

[Knowa]

What Auto boxes can I use?
thanks for all the help, its helping make my internet digging make more sense.

[nubcake]

What Auto boxes can I use?
thanks for all the help, its helping make my internet digging make more sense.

Just like lswing (http://www.rs6.com/member.php/16655-lswing) mentioned, I wouldn't install anything other than RS6 auto box.
EDIT: And I'm not even sure others will fit. AFAIK, RS6 has a bigger bellhousing (and it's not removable) compared to other Audi 5HP24A boxes. I might be wrong here, though.

[HPO-DK]

I know that the 5hp24a was used in other Audi's and the bellhouse is bigger on the RS6 bur I dont know if that is Unique for the RS6.
5HP24A[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ZF_5HP_transmission&action=edit&section=8)]Four-wheel drive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-wheel_drive) version used in Audi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi) (quattro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quattro_(four_wheel_drive_system))) and Volkswagen Passenger Cars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen) (4motion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4motion)) marques (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marque) of the Volkswagen Group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group):
1997–2003 Audi A8 (D2) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A8#D2) 4.2 V8 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
2001–2002 Audi A8 (D2) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A8#D2) 6.0 W12 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W12_engine)
1998–2003 Audi S8 (D2) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_S8#D2) 4.2 V8
1999–2004 Audi A6 (C5) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A6#C5) 4.2 V8
1999–2004 Audi S6 (C5) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_S6#C5) 4.2 V8
2000–2003 Audi A8L (D2) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A8#D2) 4.2 V8
2002–2004 Audi RS6 (C5) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_RS6#C5) 4.2 biturbo V8
2002–present Volkswagen Phaeton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Phaeton) (Typ 3D)
Input torque maximum is 430 newton metres (320 lbf·ft)

[Knowa]

what other cars ran the 5hp24a box?
im trying to see if I can locate one here.

[hahnmgh63]

They were used in Jaguar's, Range Rovers, BMW 5 & 7 series back in the day and others. Most all versions had problems if you check the forums. All forums recommend around a 40K change interval. I know BMW had a 'Fluid for Life" policy like Audi and they failed regularly around 100K. (I'm also a BMW club member).

[kismetcapitan]

Input torque maximum is 430 newton metres (320 lbf·ft)

stock, our cars are rated at 428 lb/ft torque. So Audi expected a few tweaks to support the added 110-ish lb/ft of torque? I wonder what the current 8 speed auto in the RS6/RS7 is rated at?

I remember my first Audi back in 1986; the 5000CS, and how it was "not possible" to fit an automatic with the Quattro drivetrain. I honestly wish this were still the case lol.

[Knowa]

Hey guys,

im having an issue getting my hands on a box that can be shipped to me, does anyone here have either an Auto or manual box that we can discuss being shipped to the middle east?

I found a box, but it doesnt have the part number on it... but it has many sticker, do any of you know what any of them mean?17772177731777417775

[Knowa]

will that box work?

[HPO-DK]

Yuo need a box with GAG code on it like this

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Audi-RS6-Plus-Allrad-Getriebe-Gearbox-ZF-5HP-24-GAG-BCY-4-2-V8-Bi-Turbo-TOP-/172406544808?hash=item28243b19a8:g:axYAAOSw6EhUSQr O

[HPO-DK]

Here is some i Sweden

http://en.bildelsbasen.se/?index=default&link=list&searchmode=7&pc1=125&sml=1&pc[0]=125103100&query=GAG

[Knowa]

So, does that mean the box I pictures of (a box that is right here, doesnt need to be shipped, is new and cheap) wont work in my car? it looks so similar to the untrained eye!!!

[Knowa]

None of those box's will ship here...

[Knowa]

Hey guys,
does anyone know a company that will bring a box to Qatar?

[scottmandu]

Hey guys,
does anyone know a company that will bring a box to Qatar?

What do you need?

[Knowa]

I either need the stock C5 RS ZF box, or the manual 01E box that works in the RS6.

[Knowa]

Does anyone know anyone I can contact?

[ttboost]

Audi dismantler in Eastern. Maybe no help, but...

http://www.shokan.com/contact.php

[lswing]

Does anyone know anyone I can contact?

You should contact Tozo, or trans builder of choice, have them refurbish a trans, then ship DHL I'm guessing?

Is your main problem finding the rebuilt/used trans, or just dealing with the shipping? We need a bit more info on exactly what you are looking to accomplish, new or used trans, auto yes?

A Tozo trans will cost you $1k for the old broken core, then around $3k for the rebuild. I would think at least $1k for shipping, just a guess though.

[P1054]

If you're looking for a transmission, I've got two. One confirmed working with approx 40k miles (still in the car, but will be coming out in the near future, sooner if I have a buyer lined up), and one that was slipping a bit between 1st and 2nd when removed from the car that would need to be rebuilt (I have it sitting on the shelf in the shop, ready to go). I don't know much about international shipping, but I'll do some checking around if you're interested.

[atikovi]

Hey guys,
does anyone know a company that will bring a box to Qatar?

Putting in a used transmission, especially if you're having a shop do the install is risky and could be a money pit especially when shipping is involved. Would be much better to have yours rebuilt. Can you take it to a place like http://www.tristarsa.com/

[Wide-66]

I had a company called Cartus ship all my stuff to Abu Dhabi not sure if they would do a transmission or not. I have an S4 01e on hand if you need. I however put an 01e DQT tdi trans in my car and it is great.