My brand new second hand RS6

[LaserSVT]

Hello everyone! My name is Bill or LaserSVT. I own a small repair/service/performance shop in Waco Texas. I know I joined here a long time ago when I was thinking of getting an A6 2.7T after missing my 2001 S4 so much. Well with the start of my company and keeping it aloft for the first year had tapped me and I put it on the back burner for a few years. I then decided to wait some more and get the one I REALLY wanted, the 2003 RS6. Well that dream was realized today. I picked up a blue on black 2003 RS6 with 79k miles on it, clean carfax and a somewhat good maintenance record. I say somewhat because I dont see a timing belt record. The top place in Austin Texas that is some guru for these cars (forgot the shops name) said all the seals up front are new which indicates it probably has had it done and to get to the point to look at the belt you may as well replace it. Fortunately I have an Audi Master Tech at my disposal so I will get with him tomorrow. I drove the car 150 miles home and had three people in front of me blow out tires and I hit every damn one! http://www.audiworld.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif So I have to inspect it tomorrow anyway.
Big bonus is I am an audio nut! Car came with Morel components front and rear as well as a pair of 6 channel McIntosh amps. Yay!

So here are some pics of my new baby the day I bought it 9/2/15.

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[LaserSVT]

So its been a fun few days. First ripped my front bumper in half on my driveway. Turns out it was broken there before and had a license plat JB welded behind the bumper. I stitched it but still want to replace it as the lower grill sticks out 1/8" on the driver side now. :( Then I discovered whoever installed the brakes put the caliper spacers on the wrong side and at 50% meat the pads backing plates were starting to rub the rotors hat. Easy fix. The fuel level sending units hat seal leaks so I have a new one on the way. Also the trans output shaft is just starting to leak so I have a new one on the way. Should be here tomorrow. It was missing a hubcap but I just installed four new ones. The center console lid was broken but found a NIB one for $13 and just installed it. The built in radar detector was broken so I also just fixed that. Other than that it has a nice car fax and I have been over every inch and she seems really really solid.

[LaserSVT]

Now on to the good. Car came with way over 20k in modifications/enhancements.
Bilstein Nurburgring coil overs with dampening adjustments. Sounds like it has an aftermarket exhaust but not sure whos. I was also told it has larger sway bars. Front one is 1 3/4" so again,don'tt know. It does have a chip but not sure of brand or if the TCU was done. It does not shift until 2300 no matter how light I am on the throttle. It has the Alcon Stasis brakes in 14.5" rotor size. There is an Escort 9500ci installed with the display in the mirror. The stereo is something else and I am an audiophile. Alpine DVD/NAV deck with an outboard DSP, Morel Elate 3 way components running active, Morel Elate 2 ways n back also running active, Alpine Type R sub which will be changed for a Boston G5 this weekend and then it has TWOMcIntoshh MCC440M amplifiers. These are the big 6 channel ones and are $2600 each! Even has a backup camera.

[LaserSVT]

Oh, and how she looks today after the new caps and tint. I am sorry its so dusty, Waco is so dirty. Plus ignore my shop truck. LOL

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[Bigglezworth]

Yep. Looks like an RS6.... lol A number of after market mods to which it sounds like strike your fancy. Welcome aboard.

[LaserSVT]

Thank you. It was all modifications I would have done at some point anyway. The fact that it had 79k on it and was a two owner and DIRT CHEAP was just a big bonus. :)

This is my 3rd Audi and always loved them. Had an 01 S4 (I think 2001.5) and an 2004 A6 2.7T but wanted an RS6 for years. Now that I own a shop and have an Audi specialist on call made the purchase a no brainer.

[DHall1]

Milltek exhaust

It has a tune for sure

Vagcom data log 3,31,115 in turbo mode. 3rd gear 2500 to redline and post the log. This will ensure things are running well

I like the mods and the new ride. Can you post last 6 of the vin for me?

Sell me the bumper skin when you get the new one

[LaserSVT]

Milltek! Cool. Love the growl thats not intrusive. How do you know for sure about the tune? Do you know this car? I am trying to discover everything it has. Thanks!

[LaserSVT]

Milltek exhaust

It has a tune for sure

Vagcom data log 3,31,115 in turbo mode. 3rd gear 2500 to redline and post the log. This will ensure things are running well

I like the mods and the new ride. Can you post last 6 of the vin for me?

Sell me the bumper skin when you get the new one

I dont have a Vagcom only a Matco 1010Pro. Dont think it can do that.
I cant believe that the modification total on this car is at $25,800 assuming it has an APR chip.

904984 is the last of the vin.


And sure on the bumper. Dont imagine shipping is cheap.



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[lswing]

Ross-tech.com You can confirm the tune by your boost levels. Also good to see the other data blocks mentioned such as timing. Soldered in TCU tune for better shifting is fairly common. You have to inspect the unit, under passenger carpet, to see if it's been chipped, but your higher shift points sounds like it.

Nice find though!

Get that timing belt done as you wouldn't want catastrophic failure.

Is that really a stamped Miltek exhaust, or just flared tips?

Use Google to search, not this sites search. Type "site:rs6.com" along with your term "timing belt".

[LaserSVT]

Full timing belt setup is here. Water pump, 3 pulleys and one tiny one, belt, gaskets, thermostat and tensioners. Have a couple gallons of G12 too.
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Good friend is Wacos Audi tech and has all the tools so for some bucks and beer he is going to help me do it and teach me all the tricks so that next time I can borrow his tools and all the parts only run me $233. Should take a few years to hit 35k again.

In all the cars service record there is only the one done at 34,700 and nothing after that. Plan on doing it this weekend just to be safe. Also have to wait for the sending level gasket gets here by then as well as the trans output shaft seal. I may just run the tank down some more and see if one of the Porsche hat seals I have fit. Did a couple SUVs, a base an S and a turbo and they all came with extra hat seals and I think one will fir the Audi. Not like the gasket is expensive but it is special order and free is free. :)


Well it appears that I have fallen. 1:30AM and couldnt sleep even though I am exhausted. Go out and stare at the car and realize how dirty it is. Make a run to Walmart and buy $100 in cleaning rags and chemicals. I then spend the next 3 hours in my driveway (waiving my arms like crazy every 4 minutes to make the security lights go on) and wash and wax the whole car. I then went and treated all the leather too! LMAO. Thing really needs a clay bar run across it and machine deswirl and polish and seal and hand wax. I know that takes me 8 hours. May be worth it just to pay a detailer. I have yet to find a good one though.
How much for a FULL detail?
$200
I want it showroom perfect and cut and waxed.
$200
Okay, go to it.
*5 hours latter*
Here you go sir!
Yeah but the wheels are dirty as are the door jambs and the paint is still rough.
But we waxed it!
Was that what I asked for? Or did I say cut and polish and make smooth?
Yes, we waxed it.
No, you sealed in the trash more. Why are their water drips on my dash?
You said you didnt want shiney.
Yes but I didnt specify I wanted it chalky white with drip makes either. ARGH!!!!
Tried 4 companies so far and they all suck.

[LaserSVT]

Oh and I havent seen any stamping at all on the exhaust. Its a whole lot newer from the cats back though and it has more growl than other stock RS6 I have heard so I know its not stock. It does look just like the $1200 Miltek system though.

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[DHall1]

Make sure you have 2 upper rollers

If you want things done right?

Order the Rosstech or see if your buddy has one. Data logs are a must with any tune on this car

[MaxRS6]

Change em bolts while da at it...

Just sayin...

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/22502-Timing-Belt-The-past-48-hours?highlight=roller


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[LaserSVT]

If you want things done right?


Is there any other way to do things on cars? Sorry, my shop is the only 5 star shop in Waco and I am constantly dealing with other shops afro engineering.

[Dmb408]

Looks like in the first pic you are missing your belly pan? If so those are on semi-sale right now.

[DHall1]

Linky please


Looks like in the first pic you are missing your belly pan? If so those are on semi-sale right now.

[Other_Erik]

Hey Bill, Welcome! I sent you a PM, let me know what you think. I've got a Vag-Com you would be more than welcome to use.

Thanks
O_E

[LaserSVT]

Looks like in the first pic you are missing your belly pan? If so those are on semi-sale right now.
I am missing the belly pan. Good eye!

Hey Bill, Welcome! I sent you a PM, let me know what you think. I've got a Vag-Com you would be more than welcome to use.

Thanks
O_E

We should be able to work something out except for some issues like the seat. My tech/friend may be more familiar than I though. Leaving the car with me that long should not be an issue though. I sent my number if you want to talk or have questions. I do have a spare building the car can sleep in as well.

[LaserSVT]

Well a thorough wash and just a hand wax by me and then $175 to the PDR guy and the car is now 100% ding free! Only had 9 all together and two I didn't even see until he put the light on it. Love this car.
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[LaserSVT]

Milltek exhaust

It has a tune for sure

Vagcom data log 3,31,115 in turbo mode. 3rd gear 2500 to redline and post the log. This will ensure things are running well

I like the mods and the new ride. Can you post last 6 of the vin for me?

Sell me the bumper skin when you get the new one

Why did you want the last 6?

[kruat]

He runs a database that has all of the last 6 vin for as many as he can get. Pretty interesting really.

Nice looking rs.

[s8prtotype]

HA! I remember you from the jag forums, the thirst for more speed is real. I Sold my XJR awhile back and finally got into one of these too.

You're in for it with this one tho haha.

BTW the detail you want would be $1500 to 2K like my car added up too after countless hours of wonderful hard Audi clear coat. (the products alone cost a lot) Good thing I know how to do it myself! haha.

It's now fully coated and sealed with the Gyeon Q2 Mohs Glass Coating :)

Basically, this is what I did to my car... it's worth it.


https://youtu.be/sNcXWajJzEE?t=33s


Mugello looks wonderful in perfect condition and I love when it rains, like a free car wash lol. Next round i'm probably going to switch to kamikaze products as they're a little easier to use.

Have fun with this platform too man!

[LaserSVT]

HA! I remember you from the jag forums, the thirst for more speed is real. I Sold my XJR awhile back and finally got into one of these too.

You're in for it with this one tho haha.

BTW the detail you want would be $1500 to 2K like my car added up too after countless hours of wonderful hard Audi clear coat. (the products alone cost a lot) Good thing I know how to do it myself! haha.

It's now fully coated and sealed with the Gyeon Q2 Mohs Glass Coating :)

Basically, this is what I did to my car... it's worth it.


https://youtu.be/sNcXWajJzEE?t=33s


Mugello looks wonderful in perfect condition and I love when it rains, like a free car wash lol. Next round i'm probably going to switch to kamikaze products as they're a little easier to use.

Have fun with this platform too man!

LOL, too funny. Ya know the guy that bought the Jag got it for his wife or fiance, I forget, because he didnt want her driving his all the time which was a clone just with ebony interior. He was leery of the salvage title but discovered it relly was from being keyed. At any rate one week latter he blew the motor in his. Saw it up for sale for a long time, his blown up one that is. I even called him up to offer a refund when I saw the ad because I thought it was the one I sold him. Thats when I found out it was the other car. :(


Well at $1500 I will do it myself in November. I will just buy some Pinnical cut and glaze and sealer and some fresh pads. I have a Porter and a buffer and have done it many times. I like to use clay and then deswirl on a medium setting and then a lighter scratch remover and then glaze it and then wax. Taes me a good 10 hours but for $1500 Ill do it ...... or have one of my guys do it. LOL Meh, they would burn through the paint somewhere.

[DHall1]

Hats off to you for bringing some life into the ol girl.

I think I will drive an RS6 tomorrow. Doh

[ttboost]

Mugello = best Audi color.

[Turbowned]

Wow, car cleans up good! I saw this one for sale recently; looks like it has the STaSIS/Alcon front brakes. Never quite understood this as an "upgrade" considering they're 6 piston vs. 8 but maybe they do perform better than the stock Brembos?

[GreggPDX]

Mugello = best Audi color.

Misano = best color for any car... :)

Laser, I was seriously looking at the car when I when I was shopping, I was really torn because I could tell it had some nice mods, but the guy at the dealership was useless and really gave me the "shady dealer" vibe. I was shopping long distance, so it was much more difficult to evaluate the car. I'm glad it turned out good for you, that stereo sounds amazing!!! Someone put some real money into that car, congratulations!

[LaserSVT]

Yeah hes no good on the phone but great in person. No fuss at all and all nice car on the lot. I did steal the car and we are just over 25K in stereo/enhancements. They even sent me a gas card. Car is so tight ist unreal and now that I fixed the trim, removed the dings and then the full detail its getting tomorrow she really is beautiful.

I discovered the ash tray today and was so excited! The thing was never used. None of them were. Even the cig lighters have NEVER been used. Coils have no bluing at all!
My big hope is that my headliner guy can reglue the headliner in the back. The part where the roof goes up for headroom is perfectly flat the way the headliner is laying.

But look at this dang ashtray!

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[SteveKen]

Looks like in the first pic you are missing your belly pan? If so those are on semi-sale right now.


Linky please

Yes, please care to share where it's on 'semi-sale'?

I'm really looking to get pissed over the one I just bought for $42x.xx

[Dmb408]

Let me know how the headliner works out, mine actually started drooping at the same place.

[LaserSVT]

So nervous when the detailer drove off in my car. Been chewing my nails for 7 hours now. LOL

[DHall1]

Where is the link for the lower tray.

bueller???

[LaserSVT]

Milltek exhaust

It has a tune for sure

Vagcom data log 3,31,115 in turbo mode. 3rd gear 2500 to redline and post the log. This will ensure things are running well

I like the mods and the new ride. Can you post last 6 of the vin for me?

Sell me the bumper skin when you get the new one

Okay, we are doing a trans service with filter, pan gasket, filter seal and 6 quarts of Valvoline Max Life (My Audi guy said he can get me the OEM fluid for nearly triple the price but he uses the Valvoline in all the ZFs they get and says its just better) and doing the trans tail shaft seal as its got a tiny leak. He is bringing the Vagcom and I will show him this so we can go test it. Now you said this should allow me to kinda figure out what tune level it has? What about the TCU, can the Vagcom tell me if it is also modded?

Also you did call it on the the Milltek exhaust and it may have their high flow cats as well. What I have looks more like their picture. That being said I cant find a single picture of the complete stock RS6 exhaust system. So I will just take pictures and post them and see what ya'll think.

[DHall1]

Yeah all the chicken dinners get overwhelming sometimes.

[LaserSVT]

Yeah all the chicken dinners get overwhelming sometimes.

I don't know if I am exhausted, stupid or both but I have no idea what you are talking about. LOL

[DHall1]

Winner winner chicken dinner. My observations are generally spot on target as are a few others on the forum. All good fun.

[LaserSVT]

Ahhhhhhhh. I need to sleep.

[LaserSVT]

Winner winner chicken dinner. My observations are generally spot on target as are a few others on the forum. All good fun.

What a PITA day! The dang front brakes fit but are wrong even though the website said they were for the Alcon Mono-6 so gotta reorder those. Rear brake pads were also wrong. Didn't know RS6 had two different rear brakes and I have the 300's so those I will just keep. They were $21 and return fee is $5.25 and return shipping is $7 so why bother? LOL
Also was sent the wrong tail shaft seal but we found one. At least the trans got serviced and the seals replaced. Also got some pics of the exhaust. It has to have the high flow cats.

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[DHall1]

Milltek downpipes.

Dang this one has a ton of mods

[LaserSVT]

That puts this cars parts tally just below $30,000!

[LaserSVT]

Milltek downpipes.

Dang this one has a ton of mods

I am on a mission to figure out that damn fuel leak! After doing the trans fluid and filter service, replacing the center diff to drive-shaft seal, do front brake pads (which Alcon sent the wrong damn ones so thats on hold) and then go to do the rear brakes (Rock Auto sent me the wrong pads,didn't know the RS6 had two sizes) so since that was a bust I went ahead and installed the new fog lamp bulbs. At least they work. After that I was using the Vagcom to change the remote windows to "on" and asked my friend to replace the fuel level sending unit gasket since we were already there 9 hours on our days off and were in a hurry to go.
So I go across the street and fill the car up again thinking the leak issue was fixed. Nope. First thing I see is my gas gage is just under 3/4. Great, he had to of clocked the sending unit wrong. Cant fix that until I am below a half tank again dammit. Pulled in my driveway and smelled the fuel right away, crap. Remove the rear seat and pop the beauty cover. Sure enough, sending unit is clocked 1/8 turn too much clock wise. But the seal looks all the way down. I see fuel on the rear side of the sending unit but the forward half is dry. I stick my hand in the small space between the body and tank going towards the front and it almost feels as if the fuel is coming from up there. Kinds upset because I cant do anything until the I get about $22 worth of fuel out of the tank and then don't know if re-clocking the sending unit will seal the leak or if the tank has another issue on its top front side. So gotta drop the exhaust and drive-shaft and heat-shield and I think rear suspension just to drop the tank. Its do that or re-clock the sender, check it for cracks and then fill up again to see what happens. Dang! Forgot to do the fuel filter too. While I was under the car I noticed the factory style crimp on hose clamps for the fuel line on the filter. Don't know if an Audi service center did that or if the dang filter has just never been replaced. :(
I so hope its just an improperly clocked sending hat but with my luck I doubt it. It does stop leaking when below a half tank though but when that happens I get the small EVAP leak code. The Vagcom did have a code for overheat/or wire failure for the exhaust temperature on each side. Dont know if it was an old code because i havent driven it hard enough to heat the turbos enough. Gotta stay under boost for a few miles straight to glow the turbos as I have learned from previous TT Audis. Never noticed any pyrometers in the exhaust system. My Audi friend left that code there as it does not trip a light. Not sure why my Audi friend didn't want to erase the code but he said he wanted to wait a week and check something. Dunno. I was tired and sick of how much work we did to accomplish so little and just wanted to go home. Trans is shifting very smooth when cruising now and it accelerates better with the new vac lines on the diverter valves. Just this damn fuel thing is pissing me off.
Not sure if the shaft seal is working or not. Just have to keep an eye out for diff fluid drops on he ground.
I need a nap.

[DHall1]

As I said. Gas tank. Check to see if recall was done

Welcome to RS6 service. You will get the hang of it. Screw Rock auto brakes...ebc yellows

[LaserSVT]

Shows zero open recalls on nhsta.gov as well as at Audi USA

[bethridg]

Screw Rock auto brakes...ebc yellows

This. I immediately changed to these (from OEM) when I got my RS. I have another set sitting on the shelf ready when I get a chance to replace all the rotors. Worth the ~$200.

I have rock auto closeout pads on my T-bird cause it spends 99.99999% of the time in the garage. Would never run that on the RS6.

[LaserSVT]

See the problem is I dont have stock brakes. Pad choices are limited. I believe they have the Yellows for my system but they are $400 IIRC. I will do some research this weekend.
I think I am going to just call Alcon Monday and explain the issue. That I chose their Hawk pads that were specific to their Mono 6 caliper and they just dont fit. The section where they hit the pins is too narrow so the pad slides up/down a good 1/8" so I didnt even try them. I was expecting an issue with the fronts but not the rears. The pads I ordered (Bosch Quiet) did not have a picture. As soon as I opened the box I thought "These look like 94-04 Mustang rear pads." and then went back online and saw two different pad styles for the RS6. Had no idea there were two styles. No idea what size the ones I got are for but I have the 300mm rotors so I will just get it all from Alcon when I speak to a rep.



DHall1; I want my own Vag-com. My friend wasn't very proficient at changing the codes, he only uses it for code reading. So I grabbed it from him and 2 minutes latter had the cars code changed to what I wanted with the windows from remote. I liked that it also saw codes that my Matco didn't see. Like those exhaust high temp that was in history. So because the Ross-Tech page is vague could you tell me which one I need and wheres the best (cheapest) place to buy one. I have a crappy dual core laptop I can use and while it would be primarily for my car I do have lots of VW customers and am gaining Audi customers so it would be nice to use on customers cars too.
But then I saw that android system, well not Android but works with them and thought that would be perfect for my tablet that can mirror its display through the stereo so I could put it on boost and pressure and cornering etc etc for road course racing. I assume you get the BT module and then are good to go? Would be easier to scan cars too since I wouldn't have to lug around that POS laptop and can just use my phone and I guess an OBDII style dongle? Just wonder if its worth the $400 and then is their a monthly subscription? Have you yourself used one?

Sorry for all the questions but you have been spot on with my car that I feel I am supposed to kneel in your presence. LOL

[LaserSVT]

This. I immediately changed to these (from OEM) when I got my RS. I have another set sitting on the shelf ready when I get a chance to replace all the rotors. Worth the ~$200.

I have rock auto closeout pads on my T-bird cause it spends 99.99999% of the time in the garage. Would never run that on the RS6.

Actually they dont have EBC pads for the Alcon Mono6. I found a great deal on some Akebono rear pads I am ordering but there is nothing I can do about the fronts. I remember after I ordered the front pads I then called them about the pin tool and he explained how you dont remove them and you just load the pads from the bottom. He also said I had one of the very first Stasis 370mm systems on the RS6 and some stuff has changed so they are doing specials on trade ins. I sure hope he dont tell me that I need new calipers because all the pads are cut different now. :(

[Bigglezworth]

Lots of hassle for a braking system that is maybe - maybe - marginally better in stopping a few feet shorter from 150-0 that OEM... i know you got the car this way, but it never ceases to amaze me on why the "non-racing" owner believe that they need a larger braking system on this car. My gawd, it came with 345mm floating rotators and 8 piston Bembo calipers. You easily change out the front pads compared to rear in a 2-1 or even 3-1 ratio, so the rear calipers don't need to be massive or even improved to address stopping. All these people (I say all, but there really is only a handful with the logic) that seem to think bigger is better forget that this car was designed as an Autobahn speedboat. Where exactly in North America - or any other place in the world for that matter - are you driving on a freeway at 250km/h + and need to hit the binders so as to not run in to someone lane changing in to your path? And doing that repeatedly over and over. For anyone that is reading this specific thread and getting the idea - hey those look cool, or I need to swap my brakes from the OEM 345mm to a 370mm set-up, please use come common sense. A quality set of pads, good DOT5 brake fluid and you're just fine for lapping an entire Saturday at the track with the OEM set-up.

[DHall1]

I have the Rosstech HexCan. It should cover the range of your customer vehicles. lt performed all the needed adaptations I adjusted on our new SQ5.

Tablet system? Up to you if the features are a benefit.

Maybe Randy can pipe in with some Alcon help. He runs that setup.

[LaserSVT]

First off I have to give a big thanks to DHall1. You have single handedly given me the best advice and help I have ever received in my 12 years online. Thank you my friend and if you are ever in Texas you have a place to stay, a shop you can work on your car at and all the bone in ribeys you can stand!

I am down to the last bit and I dont even have to do it myself... I hope. LOL

Well she is off to the dealer tomorrow for who knows how long. :( Has the notorious flip over valve leak (thanks David). I fill it up and 7 gallons go on the ground over 48 hours. At least its covered under recall but I am going to miss my baby and the dealer is over 100 miles away. They also are out of loaner cars so thats gonna suck bribing for a ride. My brother always insists on dinner. Unfortunately its always Bartlett's. It is the best steak ever but the bill is always $140. LOL
Well I hope its covered anyway. Everyone on the this and the other Audi forums says it is and I found the recall online and have confirmed for sure the rubber around that valve is gone and it just pours out. Mine is bad enough that they tank will be replaced. I was so dreading dropping the entire rear end to get that damn tank out! LOL

[DHall1]

Yeeeks, thanks for the kind words. I could tell from your first post that this car fell into the right hands. I have been treated well from many a forum member over the years. Just glad to help.

I travel light...40000lbs...just give me a 50amp plug in. Steak dinner! Finally

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[LaserSVT]

I only have a 40 amper but then wouldn't have AC. LOL

Just come in! I have a spare room and LED big screen with all the channels. Or we can stay outside and play with my RC racing drones. :)

[Other_Erik]

Bill

The Exhaust Temp Sensor code you're getting is one of two things

Either the factory solder on the pyrometer cable has cracked inside the EGT Sensor housing (black and brown pill boxes mounted to the engine side of the firewall, just above the driver side of the air intake box) - this is a cheap fix (soldering skill level: novice) and instructions can be found on the forum by going to google.com and searching this without quotes: "EGT solder site:rs6.com"

If _that_ doesn't fix it, then replacing the EGT sensors is a bitch, but will give you and your audi tech friend good practice for when Skulld (my beast) comes to town. Rough involvement is 6 hours of labor - drop the subframe to get to the pyrometers where they plug into the exhaust system. trace the cable from the pill boxes mentioned before.
I believe the trick to R&R the sensor on the passenger is an open box-end wrench (forgot size, sorry, check it against the new pyrometers) that has 2 bends, 60 degrees one direction, 45 the opposite direction, roughly 3/4-1" apart near the end of the wrench you'd be using to pull the pyrometers. It's either that, or pull the engine to get to them. I'm sure there's a thread on this forum somewhere about replacing the EGT sensors without pulling the engine, but I can't find the damn thing.

Oh, you'll have the "privilege" of shelling out ~$550 for the pair of sensors if they've in fact gone kaput. Don't try the cheaper 2.7T EGT sensors, they will trip the same codes because they have a different temp range...

O_E

[LaserSVT]

While she is sitting at the dealer getting the gas tank checked out at least parts keep rolling in. The coil over tools have arrived so I can lift it about a half inch and correct the driver front sitting 1/8" too low. Got the console lid done and new caps for the wheels. Still awaiting a few small items but at least the cup holder arrived yesterday. I buy a lot off of ebay. Dont think people ever read the positive feedback so figured I would have some fun. :D

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[LaserSVT]

Not sure what happened? I was online shopping for a spare key and I saw these and saw the "Buy It Now" button and clicked it. Do Germans even eat rice?


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[lswing]

Germans hate rice...but those are kind of cool.

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[LaserSVT]

^LMAO!!

My chrome ones made no sense and black plastic ones just seem so unworthy of such a great car. At $10 for the set I figured why not. When they arrived I was/am very impressed with the quality. The CF appears real. There is no seam and its under a hard gel coat. I have been using a high power flashlight (Stinger C4+) looking close at them and they are of really nice quality. The tips are a nice semi-soft compound and the rings and "Audi" look 3-D in person. They also appear to have nice quality seals inside.

[Other_Erik]

Not sure what happened? I was online shopping for a spare key and I saw these and saw the "Buy It Now" button and clicked it. Do Germans even eat rice?




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I had a set of those until some $H1t-eating sperglord decided they needed them more than I did. Not caring so much about the $10 I dropped for them, just the thought that someone was touching my car without my permission really got me annoyed.

Agree, they look great and seem to be high-quality, but don't be surprised if some a5s-goblin steals them.

O_E

[vas160s]

Best color combo IMO. Same one as mine. Do the radars come stock with these or is it an option? Never knew mine had it

[LaserSVT]

Its a 9500ci and those were made LONG after the car was. Someone just took the stock mirror and ground off some of the chrome behind the glass and epoxied the display in place. I do like the stock appearance though.
They do make the display in red and I think I may order that so it matches the car better.

[BigD2500HD]

Subscribed! Hi Bill. It's Daniel Robinson, here. I Should be picking up my door and dash pods tomorrow hopefully. I'll send you some pics via Facebook.

[LaserSVT]

Hey bud! Was wondering when you would poke your head in. You know this whole thing is your fault right? I was all good with my truck and then was watching your Audi and it just lit the fuse to make it happen RIGHT NOW. LOL

So glad I never told you where this car was because i know you would have snaked it from under me. :D

[LaserSVT]

Thermostat FINALLY arrived today. When I went to order it it was $25 shipping and I couldnt figure out why so much for a $13 part. I needed other stuff so got the order over $100 and that gave me free shipping. Everything else arrived already. Get home today and see this big box and couldnt think of what i ordered that was that size yet so lite. It was the thermostat all by its lonesome. No wonder it was $25 shipping! LMFAO!


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[LaserSVT]

This is why you don't order an RS6 badge from a country that has issues pronouncing the letter "R".

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[Turbowned]

You definitely need OEM badges if you're going to get them.

[ZCD2.7T]

To the OP and all those who are willing to take on these cars as projects:

I gotta say that I have mad respect for your willingness to go down the path of getting the most out of your cars.

I also gotta question your sanity, given the potential costs of such a project, but the $$$$$ (see how many dollar signs I put there? ;-) doesn't matter if it's a labor of love, I guess.

I've been enjoying lurking and reading about the journeys, and I look forward to reading about the results.

Best of luck to all!

[LaserSVT]

Got another call from Amanda today. Seems that the car will probably be ready tomorrow. Tank and parts have arrived and the fuel filter will be here tomorrow. She did point out that my output shaft seal is still leaking. Thats what I get for buying Oreillys parts. Said $270 to put the Audi one in there and replace some o ring and top the center diff off and a new OEM fuel filter. Seemed like a good deal to me so I told her go for it since the drive shaft is already off.
Cant wait to get my baby back! I do lie this little A3 they gave me though. Wish I could get 36 MPG on the highway and upper 20's in town. LOL

[DHall1]

Yes

Let that be the Oreillys lesson.

Lets get those logs!!!!!


Got another call from Amanda today. Seems that the car will probably be ready tomorrow. Tank and parts have arrived and the fuel filter will be here tomorrow. She did point out that my output shaft seal is still leaking. Thats what I get for buying Oreillys parts. Said $270 to put the Audi one in there and replace some o ring and top the center diff off and a new OEM fuel filter. Seemed like a good deal to me so I told her go for it since the drive shaft is already off.
Cant wait to get my baby back! I do lie this little A3 they gave me though. Wish I could get 36 MPG on the highway and upper 20's in town. LOL

[LaserSVT]

Looks like I will be rocking the A3 for a bit more. There was a fuel line they didnt like and some kind of foam block spacer that the fuel and glue destroyed so have to wait on the rest of that. Oh well. I just would have spent the weekend doing suspension adjustments and stereo changes on it anyway. LOL

[LaserSVT]

Argh. I guess the goop and foam they were waiting on is the reinforcement for that same valve. Audi never changed the design. But I just was called by the dealer and told my fuel pump was swollen...? Huh? You mean the seal? No, the pump. Don't fit in the new tank. Well that's a new one on me. Not sure how the pump or housing could swell but okay. So new pump and crap were ordered this morning. I thought they were replacing it anyway. She said it MAY get done tomorrow and I can get it on Saturday IF the pump arrives tomorrow. Joy.
They have had the car longer than I have. :(

[lswing]

Argh. I guess the goop and foam they were waiting on is the reinforcement for that same valve. Audi never changed the design. But I just was called by the dealer and told my fuel pump was swollen...? Huh? You mean the seal? No, the pump. Don't fit in the new tank. Well that's a new one on me. Not sure how the pump or housing could swell but okay. So new pump and crap were ordered this morning. I thought they were replacing it anyway. She said it MAY get done tomorrow and I can get it on Saturday IF the pump arrives tomorrow. Joy.
They have had the car longer than I have. :(

My experience has been get it all done while it's there. Odd about the pump though. Have them refill your blinker fluid also...

You get used to the car being under the knife at times, it becomes routine, I stopped sweating it after a few times and just hope the bill stayed under $2k, which it does, about half the time.

[ttboost]

Welcome to Audi ownership. Unless you can turn your own wrenches, this will become a habit. Not so sure I miss mine...so digging my new V8 mobile...

[Dmb408]

Hope that's not an A3 diesel haha

[LaserSVT]

I have no problem turning wrenches. That's what I do for a living. We were just getting ready to drop the rear end ourselves and just plasti-weld the valve when Audi called and said they would cover it all. I expected a week or so but now its been 3. Not complaining as they are doing a lot, I just miss my car. I miss the hand of gawd pushing you into the seat when you nail it. I miss flying around corners like they were not even there.

BTW its my 4th Audi and I was the manager at Audi of Maui from the day they opened until I started at University of Hawaii a dozen years ago. We never had a car down more than 4 days. Man was parts shipping outrageous! LOL

[LaserSVT]

Hope that's not an A3 diesel haha

LOL. She almost gave me one thinking I requested it. Nope. Its just a base 1.8T. Think its sole option is the huge glass sunroof. Nice car. Turbo downpipe was a nice silver when I picked it up. Has a good blue to it now. LOL

[LaserSVT]

Argh. Audi service writer called me just now. Good thing shes so nice. She was smart enough to mention it was her birthday before she dropped the bad news. Pumps on backorder. Coming from Germany.

This blows as my buddy that is going to do the timing belt is gonna be out of touch after the 17th for a month or so and with the cars current mileage its a tossup as to if the belt was done or not and I dont want to chance it. Wish this car had better maintenance history paperwork.
The American distributor for an Italian speaker company wants to send me a few thousand dollars worth of speakers to try in it but wont send them until the car gets back. If it dont get back soon enough they will end up going to another guy. Hate to miss out on that opportunity.

[DHall1]

What pump?

Got it...fuel pump. Wth backordered...its only tge lift pump and most likely not rs6 specific

[LaserSVT]

Some days.......
Get a call from Audi this afternoon. Well knowing they wouldn't overnight the pump I was ready for more bad news. I get told my lug studs are too long. They rub. O'rly? They rub? Something that's been on there for years and a part I have removed 7 times myself and torques to spec, they grew? So they want me to buy $260 in bolts. I tell her I will call her right back. Hoped in the loaner and made the 97 mile drive in 58 minutes. She was surprised to see me. Now I know its not my service techs fault. Mechanic told her, let her hear the constant "whirrshhhh" sound as the wheel is being spun so she called me. I told the mechanic spin the wheel. Heard the familiar sound of a ceramic pad on a drilled rotor. I have my tech with me and he goes under the car and sees the lug bolts are 1/4" away from hitting anything.
Seriously? You are the guy working on my car? I can see every Audi in the shop has drilled rotors, lets see what happens on this new RS7 in the air. Oh look, they must have too long of wheel bolts too because it makes the same sound.
So since the tank is installed I wanted to take the "Swollen pump" and see if it fit but instead had 3 techs explain the issue as nobody offered up the pump. Turns out the fuel sending unit for the lift pump plastic case is what has swollen and I could see the deformed hole on the old tank where it had ovaled a bit. So I assume that wasn't BS.
Those lug bolts though, that pissed me off.

[DHall1]

Thank you ethanol

End rant

Lug bolts? You got to be fin kidding me

[Bigglezworth]

That's a new one for the books.

[LaserSVT]

She sent me a picture and mine are about 2mm longer than the OEM ones so they had been changed. After we heard the noise the tech started saying how they at Audi like to make sure its perfect to spec etc etc etc. I said "Yet you offered to remove the rest of the DRC stuff since I had coilovers. Tell ya what, take those new lug nuts and throw them on. If the noise stops, lunch on me for the week. If its still there, you throw in the filter and shaft seal for free." There were no takers.
I was thrilled with them until that point. That was just stupid. If he really thought that he should have taken the new bolts and installed them and tried it. He could have save a lot of face.

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[LaserSVT]

Yes! Found the dealer that took care of the car the last 7 years. Service writer who also owns 4 RS cars said the car was only worked on by the tech he uses for his. Car was very meticulously maintained and he is sending me all the paperwork. He was familiar with the car and let me know it had the new cats installed last year as well as new O2s but the best part is at 65k it had the full timing service done with pump and all pulleys and tensioners plus had a power steering leak repair and replaced a worn out Bilstein shock. Was over $8000 on its last service. This saves me a ton of money and gives me great peace of mind to know there is proof of its history.

[spoolinrs6]

beautiful mugello blue brother enjoy it!

[LaserSVT]

Audi dealer is such a tease! "Your fuel pump is installed. Tech is going to go get some gas and test drive it and you can come get it." Getting gas? Had about 12 gallons in it. "Tech said gas smelled old so they want fresh gas for it." Car hasnt been at your dealer THAT long. LOL Oh, its that special $7 a gallon Audi gas. Fine, can I have my car? Please? Pretty please with sugar on top? "Tech said your gas gauge isnt working so ill call you tomorrow." Tell the tech to go on driver side of tank cover and remove ring for sending unit and rotate it counter clockwise 1/8 turn so the arrow is pointing forward. "Gonna be tomorrow."
I keep having that scene from Ferris Buelers Day Off with the two garage guys jumping the Ferrari playing in my head.

[MaxRS6]

They always seem to give the car back on a Friday for the 2 day weekend buffer...;0

[LaserSVT]

Fuel problem solved. They didn't plug it in. Now the car vibrates bad when it accelerates.

[DHall1]

Who are these idiots?

Has dealer service really dropped this low?

[LaserSVT]

Said with the car in the air they can spin the rear tires and see the drive shaft moving. Tried adjusting carrier bearing position with no change. Awaiting leed tech to finish meeting and inspect car. Sounds like they damaged the carrier bearing when they removed everything.
That car didn't have the slightest hint of vibration before. Not at any speed or accelerator position.

[SteveKen]

It sounds like they did something wrong when re-assembled the rear subframe assy.

Good golly, you're a patient man. You've female service adviser must be a real looker.

[LaserSVT]

Shes a pretty gal. Shes a nice person too. Problem is they have a 20 year old kid fresh out of UTI working on it. When I went down for the "You lug bolts are too long" issue and saw this kid working on my car I was ready to tow it home right then. But then it seemed the leed tech was supervising him at that point so I thought it MAY be okay. Now...... I dunno. I do understand the statement "It made my blood boil." It was 61* and I started sweating like I was in the Sahara and thought I was going to stroke out I was so pissed. I am contemplating closing my shop early again and just driving down there. Drive it home or throw it on a truck. I should have just plastic welded the damn valve myself and then I could have enjoyed the car the last 3 weeks.

[LaserSVT]

They are not taking responsibility for the vibration. They say the wheels and drive shaft are bent. Said bring a tow truck.
The car was at a tire shop two days prior to it going to Audi. A shop that has a high speed balance machine. I watched the tires get balanced. The wheels were perfectly true.

[Other_Erik]

Time to call the Flagship Desk. I PM'ed you the number a couple weeks ago, let me know if you lost that.

O_E

[SteveKen]

They are not taking responsibility for the vibration. They say the wheels and drive shaft are bent. Said bring a tow truck.
The car was at a tire shop two days prior to it going to Audi. A shop that has a high speed balance machine. I watched the tires get balanced. The wheels were perfectly true.

What a mess.

Be sure that they checked the rear alignment.

Even though they might have alignment holes for the rear subframe, I think it's still procedure that the alignment should be done whenever a subframe is dropped.

[LaserSVT]

I do have that still. I called and left a message with Megan of AoA but she is out of the office today. Not really sure what to do here. I guess go get it and if it does in fact vibrate bad I will have to have a flatbed pick it up. Shouldn't be more than $400 to tow it back.

[LaserSVT]

What a mess.

Be sure that they checked the rear alignment.

Even though they might have alignment holes for the rear subframe, I think it's still procedure that the alignment should be done whenever a subframe is dropped.

I spoke to the manager. He insisted the issue is the driveshaft and bent wheels. They insisted the subframe was installed correctly and to specification. I guess I wont know until I get it in the air and see what is going on.

[P1054]

Wow. Well this reconfirms my decision to do my own work on my car, and never go to the dealer. That said, I fully understand why you did, seeing as it was a recall issue, but....wow. What a joke.

[lswing]

Wow, what a mess. Sounds like it will be better in your hands. The most dangerous thing with this car is not finding a good mechanic. If you're forced to maybe try Audi North Houston next time, there's also a downtown one.

[bethridg]

I know one dealership no one should do business with....bush league.

[Bigglezworth]

I spoke to the manager. He insisted the issue is the driveshaft and bent wheels. They insisted the subframe was installed correctly and to specification. I guess I wont know until I get it in the air and see what is going on.Bullshit and then some. There is a procedure to ensure driveshaft alignment when it is removed in it's entirety from the chassis. This doesn't apply if you only disconnect from either the front or rear as it get's reattached to the same point, but when you remove it entirely to drop a gas tank, it needs to be aligned on the horizontal plane and can cause vibration if you don't get the center support bearing/bracket put back in the same place. As for wheels, prove they are bent. This is a SIMPLE procedure on any wheel balancing machine. My gawd.

[LaserSVT]

Audi North Houston was the cars previous caretaker and did good work by the looks of it. If it sees another dealer that is where it will go.

As far as the wheels go, the day before it went to Audi it went to Discount Tire. We have one that has the high speed balancer and all the high HP cars in town go there for that machine. I WATCHED them balance the tires. The wheels were true. I just spoke to the manager and he confirmed the wheels were true. I have an Audi tech and two ASE Masters to confirm that two days prior the drive shaft was also fine.

So if the wheels and/or driveshaft is bent, they did it somehow. After I see first hand what is going on I will know my next step. First thing is it needs to get out of that dealer.

[Other_Erik]

Audi North Houston was the cars previous caretaker and did good work by the looks of it. If it sees another dealer that is where it will go.

As far as the wheels go, the day before it went to Audi it went to Discount Tire. We have one that has the high speed balancer and all the high HP cars in town go there for that machine. I WATCHED them balance the tires. The wheels were true. I just spoke to the manager and he confirmed the wheels were true. I have an Audi tech and two ASE Masters to confirm that two days prior the drive shaft was also fine.

So if the wheels and/or driveshaft is bent, they did it somehow. After I see first hand what is going on I will know my next step. First thing is it needs to get out of that dealer.

Possible to tow it to the North Houston dealership or somewhere closer than bringing it back down to Waco? I'd be absolutely furious in your position. Open up a Triple-A membership and have it towed up to 100 miles for free :)

[DHall1]

I shall say this again. What a bunch of cluster f$cks.

A 20yr old working on a RS6????

Flagship desk would be getting a full dose of my verbal abuse. WTF is going here?

I would not have let them do the work if a 20yr old was working on my car. Master tech or I take it somewhere else. And these are the reasons why.




Who are these idiots?

Has dealer service really dropped this low?

[DHall1]

BTW

I never took my Avus or Daytona cars in for the gas tank recall. If it ever leaks, I can say replace my tank. But at 50k, 80k miles and counting they may never leak and Im not letting anyone touch my car. Even the master tech I trust.

Just because it will sit there at the dealer waiting. Hell no

[LaserSVT]

The RS6 is behind me on a $400 flatbed that took nearly 3 hours to get there. I drove the car, any acceleration makes the car vibrate like you were driving on those cut marks in pavement. They also blew up my $3000 McIntosh amp. Just super loud high pitch squeek through the speakers. I trouble shot it while awaiting the truck.
The exhaust leaks like crazy and the exhaust support bracket is resting against rear sway bar. I look below the car and can see where the cat-back meets the cats that the pipes are MAYBE 1/4" together. I point this out and that my tail pipes are sticking out 2" more and hanging 2" lower. They put it on the rack and tech blames aftermarket exhaust. Says its slip fit and not supposed to come apart. I shit you not, he said that. He then snapped at my tech who was showing him how to push two pipes together that "He can take it to an exhaust shop because it ain't stock and its poor aftermarket stuff. That's when I instructed them to set the car down, tow truck is in route.
Most incompetent group of idiots. Had 5 techs, two service writers and the service manager all under the car modding with the tech that does not know how to slip two pipes together.
I am so beyond pissed.

[DHall1]

Just plain stupid. I really feel for you...please get the beast back home and make it right.

My gosh, you have pictures of the exhaust in perfect fitment before the car went in.

I would have gone postal and went right up in the showroom to scream at all the staff and GM.



The RS6 is behind me on a $400 flatbed that took nearly 3 hours to get there. I drove the car, any acceleration makes the car vebrate like you were driving on those cut marks in pavement. They also blew up my $3000 McIntish amp. Just super loud high pitch squeek through the speakers. I trouble shot it while awaiting the truck.
The exhaust leaks like crazy and the exhaust support bracket is resting against rear sway bar. I see it maybe 1/4" of the center section coupled. I point this out and that my tail pipes are sticking out 2" more and hanging 2" lower. They put it on the rack and tech blames aftermarket exhaust. Says its slip fit and not supposed to come apart. I shit you not, he said that. He then snapped at my tech who was showing him how to push two pipes together that he can take it to an exhaust Shop because it ain't stock and poor aftermarket stuff. That's when I instructed them to set the car down, tow truck is in route.
Most incompetent group of idiots. Had 5 techs, two service writers and the service manager all under the car modding with the tech that does not know how to slip two pipes together.
I am so beyond pissed.

[LaserSVT]

Well its kinda home now. Its in my shop and we will make it better. We will get it in the air tomorrow and see whats going on to make that vibration. Its a strange vibration. Only under acceleration and its felt through the floor. Its a vibration similar to lugging a high gear in a manual car. After seeing the exhaust I was hopeful that was the issue but I dont expect it to be after doing a couple laps of their parking lot.

[P1054]

I can barely believe it, but there's no way you could make this all up.. For the vibration though, check the alignment of the driveshaft. I had that problem after I did the manual conversion and aligning the driveshaft dos the trick. It's not hard.

[ttboost]

Just WOW....Again, as has been said, I will never own a car I cannot work on myself and none of my cars will ever see the inside of a dealership. Feel bad this happened to you...steep learning curve....

[LaserSVT]

WITH IT AT IDLE IN GEAR I CAN SEE THE WHOLE SHAFT MOVING UP AND DOWN (NOT SIDE TO SIDE) (dman caps) and the snoyt of the diff is moving up and down with it.

[ttboost]

Sounds to me like someone beat the snot out of it, when they went to get the gas that you didn't need...How many miles did you have when you dropped it off?

[LaserSVT]

There are 4 bolt holes on the rear diff where the shaft goes in. There are also rub marks above it where it looks like a brace was. Is there and additional brace that goes on the front of the diff?


Also here are a couple bad videos of the movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZXR_Vx1BXo&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEq8TMLcUVE&feature=youtu.be

[lswing]

Damn! Worst repair story ever. Be thankful you can do the work, I'd be shelling out thousands to have Brink in Austin fix it right.

[LaserSVT]

Driveshaft appears bent. Does the hula. Shakes whole car when at 30 MPH in the air. I see fresh damage to the driveshaft where it was dropped on the inner flange and caught something (lift lip or mount bolt is my guess) and it ovaled the CV hole. I know for a FACT it was perfectly round before as we just changed that shaft seal and I spent much time staring at it to make sure it went back in the same way. It had no impact marks and it was round.
So I need a new complete $900 drive-shaft. Thanks Audi of North Austin. You rock! Oops, misspelled suck.

[LaserSVT]

So going over it all there is a lot going wrong. The rear section of the driveshaft was not indexed and now spews grease. That cause me to notice a thin shield around the rear diffs flange that is not perfectly true. If the shield is bent, no biggie but if its the diffs flange for the driveshaft that is bent then we have major issues. In addition to that I can not tell what is going on for the rear subframe. All of the washers have a clean spot in a different place and none of their arrows point the same way. The gas tank is not bolted all the way in and the straps are about 1/2" away from the body. The carrier bearing has so many scratches in my floor from marking position I have no clue which one is right so I tried them all before I noticed the ovaled CV. They also never installed the brake lines back in the bracket and they broke one parking brake line retaing clip and substituted it with a zip-tie.

Here are some pics. They also bent the hell out of my heat shields.

In this picture its the rear diff connection with the D/S spewing CV grease. That liped flange on the diff is the part where it fluctuates a mm while rotating in its distance relation to the housing. Also in the other pics the two red lines show distance the bracket is from the body.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_143135741_zpsxqhhcgan.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_143135741_zpsxqhhcgan.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_143154199_zpszjqrdfp6.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_143154199_zpszjqrdfp6.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_134827311_zpsa134aenq.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_134827311_zpsa134aenq.jpg.html)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_132913717_zpssl7ejh3d.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_132913717_zpssl7ejh3d.jpg.html)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_132611112_zpsvmanxhqw.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_132611112_zpsvmanxhqw.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_132556282_zpsqdwsbwhp.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_132556282_zpsqdwsbwhp.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_121533367_zpssv7bwrcc.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_121533367_zpssv7bwrcc.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_121520803_zpsukrnomfg.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_121520803_zpsukrnomfg.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_121436852_zpsohguoikk.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_121436852_zpsohguoikk.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_121419937_HDR_zps21vk40uj.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151017_121419937_HDR_zps21vk40uj.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151016_161430363_zps0g1xeoqy.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151016_161430363_zps0g1xeoqy.jpg.html)


And a video of that wobble. Sorry as I was trying to spin it and hold the camera steady.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk-XyXrdRDE&feature=youtu.be

[LaserSVT]

Where I circled it in yellow is the part I see wobble on.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/agfg_zpsfwu6yjfr.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/agfg_zpsfwu6yjfr.jpg.html)

[LaserSVT]

Car arrived looking like this:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/AU3_zpseyek09bk.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/AU3_zpseyek09bk.jpg.html)

This is how it looked when I got it. The lady eve said "They just finished cleaning it." O'rly?


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151016_151501618_zpsqlexdyey.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151016_151501618_zpsqlexdyey.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151016_151446301_zpsfamtxvcy.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151016_151446301_zpsfamtxvcy.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151016_151432845_HDR_zps5ueiibl3.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151016_151432845_HDR_zps5ueiibl3.jpg.html)

[LaserSVT]

It appears that the A6 V8 and the RS6 shaft are the same. I see a few places have it for just under $500 and APS has an upgraded on for a tad over $600.

[MaxRS6]

Insane!!! I would hit AoA hard- followed up by handing it over to legal counsel.

[LaserSVT]

Standing in the service area I see the "tech" grab a 15lb orange mallet and go over to my car and heard "wang wang wang!" before I ran outside. What I was invisioning is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xsVX6029rU

[DHall1]

This is just depressing.

Is this what Audi service has come to?

Funny thing is this...i have a few nit picks in our SQ5 along with a steering recall. I dont want to take the car in.....and now i really dont want to take the car in.

Actually thinking of selling the SQ5 and building my RS6 avant or buying a mint low mile C5 allroad with the 2.7tt and modding it. Screw this new crap that has to go back to the dealer for warranty work.

[fukinavit]

This is utter bullshit, I would have lost my shit in about 2 seconds. document everything like you have, show this to the "dealer" in question, tell them how they are paying for it and that you will fix their "work" as your car will never enter their doors again.
just because their sign has four rings does not mean they are competent on this car. All RS cars are special, no 20 year old would touch my car, sorry just not happening.
I have to say that coming from Europe, the knowledge of techs in north America on german cars is generally (not allways) poor. I do all my own work, like others have said, I don't trust the garages, plus I know my standard is way higher, I may take longer but its allways done right. sorry this has happened to you, but you owe it to yourself to make them pay for what they did and to prevent this happening to the next guy too.

[LaserSVT]

So me not being one to let some crap hold me back I decided to fix some non related issues and one related.
Turns out Audi somehow moved the passenger wire harness and pinched a tweeter wire under a hod down bracket. That now allows the McIntosh amp to work right. I then installed the new laser diffusers. The sensors are not the reason the lower panel is wavy, was already that way. Best width I could get and still get the grill in.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151018_161142161_zpseldkq4gh.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151018_161142161_zpseldkq4gh.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151018_161327177_zpszcw6q4lo.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151018_161327177_zpszcw6q4lo.jpg.html)


Also since its bracket is missing I figured I would move the outside air temp sensor to double as a way to see the air temp entering the intercooler.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151018_161155085_zpsfdhot7bu.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151018_161155085_zpsfdhot7bu.jpg.html)



And last but not least. My very special subwoofer. Believed to be the only one left alive. Fits perfect and sounds phenomenal even though it will need lots of break in time.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151018_175926871_zpslmcdltxd.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151018_175926871_zpslmcdltxd.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151018_132730519_zpseyavwbmw.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151018_132730519_zpseyavwbmw.jpg.html)

[SteveKen]

This is just depressing.

Is this what Audi service has come to?

Funny thing is this...i have a few nit picks in our SQ5 along with a steering recall. I dont want to take the car in.....and now i really dont want to take the car in.

Actually thinking of selling the SQ5 and building my RS6 avant or buying a mint low mile C5 allroad with the 2.7tt and modding it. Screw this new crap that has to go back to the dealer for warranty work.

Once I actually tried to negotiate a lower price if I waive the warranty coverage. I knew that I was immediately going to void it anyway.

This whole situation is incredible. It's amazing how they can f*ck up such a simple job. I swapped out the fuel tank and lines on jack stands when converting the S6's fueling to RS6. Make a few marks and that's it. Incredible.

I honestly hope that to bark up the right trees to get some type of reach around from AOA for all this BS.

[LaserSVT]

Well I have not heard from AoA yet but did speak to Audi Central Houston where the car was taken care of before. They sent me 15 pages of service today and they have another 20 or so to send. They really know that car well! Its possible that shaft was already changed but wont know until I have the rest of the records. LOL
Anyway the tech that worked on the car has been with Audi for 20 years and knows my exact car inside and out. Did everything from the full exhaust to the big brakes to all its service so if there is one place I feel safe its there. They also happen to be Audis largest and Flagship store and the service writer also knows the car through and through. He said dont touch the car and that he will call AoA tomorrow to help out and that just 700 miles ago that car was perfect when it was at his shop. Another relief was finding out that it is just a dust shield on the differential flange and its not uncommon for them to be a tad non-perfect. I was worried the diff flange got bent from the driveshaft.

On the bright side my new badge showed up and its the exact combo I wanted. :D


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151019_182525091_zpsfgq7gdid.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151019_182525091_zpsfgq7gdid.jpg.html)

[LaserSVT]

Got bored. I for one love it! The silver is a perfect match and the polished letters set it off. No, my headlights are not faded. I was using an incandescent shop light.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/IMG_20151019_203920565_zpsluf2jesq.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/IMG_20151019_203920565_zpsluf2jesq.jpg.html)

[LaserSVT]

Well AoA got back to me after I spoke with Audi of Houston and informed me they already spoke to the dealer and the dealer denied (big surprise) any wrong doing. I explained in great detail what the issue was and a very plausible reason how it happened. I also explained about everything else they messed up and let him know I have before and after pictures as well as 3 separate local businesses and ASE techs and Audi tech to back everything I had stated. I requested the dealer reimburse me for the tow and just ship me a driveshaft. He said they don't usually do that and it may need to go to a dealer but being as he can see I know what I am doing he will see what he can do and is escalating this to the highest level. They should send out an inspector to check the car so they can see everything happening.

So here is to staring at my car for more time! LOL *cries*

[LaserSVT]

Just spent over 3 hours removing something from the sides of the car that I am sure nobody will ever notice but bugged the hell out of me. That 3M clear vinyl rock protector stuff in front of the rear wheels. Mine was brown and cracked. That crap took forever to remove. After I get the front chips fixed..... after the car is fixed, I will have some shop apply a fresh one but damn that stuff..... my fingers are killing me.


Another bonus I found today after getting all my cars paperwork, I misunderstood the guy from Audi Houston when he said the converter was replaced last year. I thought he was talking about the Milteks as we were discussing exhausts at the time. Turns out it had the trans convertor replaced in December. That's a big relief as I knew mine was an earlier car so I was worried about that thing. Also means the trans service I just did was a waste. LMAO! Oh well.

Found out the second owner of the car didn't have it long. I called her earlier today. She bought it because it was a pretty color and she paid almost 30k for it beginning of last year. She got rid of it January of this year because she said it rode too rough. Sure enough in the service reports she took it in 5 times for rough ride and the car was too low. Service reports show the car was set to softest setting (I checked, they are all at 9 and it is pretty firm still) and that they raised the nose 8mm and the tail 12mm. Meh.
She did purchase a warranty and she used the hell out of it. Car had over $14,000 in work last year. Valve cover gaskets, coolant sensors, alternator, timing belt, torque converter, blown shocks, oxygen sensors, sway links, EVAP system, clock spring, front axles, radiator, all power steering lines, turbo oil lines, brake pads and lots of little stuff.

[DHall1]

Just buy 2ft width 3m clear bra and install to cover the entire flare

[LaserSVT]

I don't wan the whole thing done. Where the factory had it was perfect. Just needed it for the front ones too. LOL What I would really like is an owners manual. :p

[DHall1]

Hang in there for the manuals.

My flares dont have chips. First thing i do to my cars....hell I even run windshield tear offs

http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s532/03RSTT/7A3EAA83-523C-478E-81B1-97D0C4FEE175_zps0omihdcj.jpg

http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s532/03RSTT/8BFAF137-AB80-4775-9596-B045B3E5D623_zpsgdipofy4.jpg

http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s532/03RSTT/7A9853DB-61A6-433F-9D7E-3724FBCC8D0F_zpspcgiet11.jpg

[LaserSVT]

Always loved that color. Was a hard choice between what I have and that one until my car showed up for sale.

I have a good paint guy that does magic with filling in rock chips. My front flares are just peppered with chips so after he does his thing I am having my tint shop do the front and back again plus that little indention in the rocker right in front of the rear tires. I didnt remove that as its kinda hidden but its brown too. Figured i would let them have the fun of removing it. He owes me a favor so he said front and rear for $20.
He has a Ford Escape and couple places quoted him over $500 to make it run right. Had a missfire after a tuneup (it had it before only not as bad) and he just did what everyone does who is not familiar with them, crossed two COP connections due to Fords goofy way of running the wire harness. It looks and fits better when installed wrong. LOL


Wrong way:


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/IMG_20140620_094443803_zps69ec079b.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/IMG_20140620_094443803_zps69ec079b.jpg.html)





Correct way:


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/IMG_20140620_094525825_zps334c0bad.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/IMG_20140620_094525825_zps334c0bad.jpg.html)

[LaserSVT]

Well I do believe I am just SOL. AoA did call me earlier and said this is a matter that would be settled, if they were so inclined, by the dealership in which the car was "repaired" at. They told me they would email the service manager all of the info and the questions such as why the gas tank wasn't bolted in all the way or why the brake lines were not anchored and why exactly could the tech not slide two pipes together seeing as how 3 other Audi dealers could and that its pretty much up to their service manager if anything will be done since it boils down to my word against theirs.
EDIT: As I typed that sentence AoA called me back and said "Its my word against theirs and the AoA will not be intervening."


So that's that. Car went in for a recall and left unusable. I guess it will sit in the garage for the next couple months now as I really only feel comfortable using a new and updated shaft so that is about $670ish I believe. I am not normally so low on funds but the last 30 days have been hell. Shops computer system failed and that was a couple grand, had the shops taxs to pay Tuesday so there was a couple grand more, couple grand spent on towing and parts for the Audi, 17k to buy the car, just over a grand to get all my grandmothers bills caught up and a customer bouncing a $2300 check. That has completely tapped me going into the slowest part of the business year. Nobody fixes their cars right before the holidays.


Today has me seriously considering just getting rid of the car. I realize its not the cars fault or even AoA, its just because of a shady dealership with untrained staff.
I love my car though. I would be very sad to sell it and in a couple months I will have my rainy day funds back up so I suppose I will just park it and wipe it down with a microfiber towel until I can afford the driveshaft.

[bethridg]

Dude, I have my old drive shaft sitting here after the 6MT swap. If I can figure out the best way to pack/ship it's yours for cheap cheap cheap.

Don't give up!

[LaserSVT]

I like baby birds.

[bethridg]

I like baby birds.

I'll dig it out tonight. Had 100k miles on it when removed but not a thing wrong with it. We can talk details over PM.

[LaserSVT]

Okay. Sounds good.

[LaserSVT]

Well I spoke to Mr Morris Collier (service manager)and he pretty much implied I am lying and don't know what I am talking about and that the car arrived undriveable. He said his technicians do not make mistakes. I said "Oh, so the gas tank straps are not supposed to be bolted in all the way and should hang down like they are now?" He said I can bring it in and they will correct that. But your guys don't make mistakes and that is one. I asked if the brake lines should be mounted to their retaining brackets. He said he didn't know. I asked if a zip tie is Audis update to the parking cable bracket. He wasn't sure. I asked if gauging the paint with a screwdriver is what is in the service manual to mark the carrier bearings position. Again, he was not sure.
He did say he watched my car the whole time and his techs never dropped the drive shaft. Really? You spent 22 days watching my car? You are way overpaid then.

[DHall1]

Screw them.

Bbb complaint.

Sue for damages

What is the name of the dealer?

Social media

Sue them

Document the used driveshaft install and repairs then sue them again.

Social media

Get the members used unit in KS

Did i say social media?


Well I spoke to Mr Morris Collier (service manager)and he pretty much implied I am lying and don't know what I am talking about and that the car arrived undriveable. He said his technicians do not make mistakes. I said "Oh, so the gas tank straps are not supposed to be bolted in all the way and should hang down like they are now?" He said I can bring it in and they will correct that. But your guys don't make mistakes and that is one. I asked if the brake lines should be mounted to their retaining brackets. He said he didn't know. I asked if a zip tie is Audis update to the parking cable bracket. He wasn't sure. I asked if gauging the paint with a screwdriver is what is in the service manual to mark the carrier bearings position. Again, he was not sure.
He did say he watched my car the whole time and his techs never dropped the drive shaft. Really? You spent 22 days watching my car? You are way overpaid then.

[DHall1]

Get a loan on the car to get over the hump.

[LaserSVT]

Screw them.

Bbb complaint.

Sue for damages

What is the name of the dealer?

Social media

Sue them

Document the used driveshaft install and repairs then sue them again.

Social media

Get the members used unit in KS

Did i say social media?

Well I filed a complaint with the BBB and left a review on their FB page, AoA page, Yelp, Google, Dealerrate and a couple others. The details are on RS6 Owners Community, C5 Owners Group, Audizine, Audiworld, Stangnet, DFWMustangs etc etc.
The C5 group is really aggressive and there are a dozen members calling the dealer non stop and a few are supposed to talk with the dealership owner tomorrow. It appears after the 4th guy called the service manager he was hung up on as soon as he said my name. LOL
I spoke with my lawyer and really its a slam dunk win due to my witnesses and picture documentation but the cost would exceed the price of a driveshaft by a whole lot.
I gotta PM bethridge to see what we can work on that shaft but a 100k shaft is a 100k shaft. I dunno. I want it if its cheap enough just so I can drive my baby again but imagine the rubber on the carrier has to be pretty worn. By December I can just order that nice $600 one piece shaft made from 1040 DOM thats like 8 lbs lighter. Hell, maybe even go the extra couple hundred and go with the carbon fiber version.

[LaserSVT]

Get a loan on the car to get over the hump.

I dont do loans. I dont even run credit cards. I have zero debt and it helps keep my nerves steady. The car is my baby but also my toy so if it has to sit for a bit the so be it. At least I get to look at it every day and say "Yup, thats mine." :) It will be that much sweeter when I do get to drive her again.

[LaserSVT]

Guess I wont be ordering that nice one piece $600 shaft. He said its not for the C5, its for the B5. Shaft is too long for 1040 DOM but he does have a one piece in carbon fiber for only $1600. LOL

This one looks to be the best deal.
https://www.wholesaleimportparts.com/Audi_RS6_Driveshaft_2003.php

[Other_Erik]

Sorry to say that your experience seems pretty consistent with everything I've ever gone to an Audi stealership about...

Take 1: New Keys
Had keys ordered and cut by dealership, had to bring in car for programming - 5 hours later, "Well, we think this guy still has the tool to match keys into the IMMO on the C5 chassis, let's call him." 3 hours later "We finally got this working, that'll be $1700." So I have to pay extra labor hours because you didn't have the tools available to do what you said you'd do? GFY!

Take 2: Electrical
Asked them to diagnose electrical issue that was draining the battery (sidenote: ended up being the Onstar system, which wouldn't have worked beyond 2006 or so since it was Analog) - and while they were at it, to aim my headlights. Came back the next day, my headlights were now pointing directly at the front bumper, took the car outside and had zero feet of road illuminated, "Could not find cause of electrical drain" - That'll be $534

Take 3: Rust
Took the wife's car to a different dealership, talked my way up the service manager chain - every door on this 2005 A6 was rusted at the pinch welds and cladding seam, to the point that the cladding was nearly popping off and the kick panels were wavey / looked ready to fall apart. "Go get an estimate to fix from the paint shop over there" Sure - that'll be $12,000. "Oh, that's not covered under the rust warranty then."

Indy shop time, all the way. No more stealership, ever ever ever. I was hoping it was just the DC area with their typical snobby attitudes but looks like the cancer has spread.

[LaserSVT]

Ha!

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[DHall1]

Oh my feaking laughing my a $$ off right now.

[MaxRS6]

I spoke with my lawyer and really its a slam dunk win due to my witnesses and picture documentation but the cost would exceed the price of a driveshaft by a whole lot.


Go through small claims court. You can do the filing yourself with very little cost. The dealership would have to weigh cost/benefit of fighting the claim. Then if you win- you have a public document to expose their sorry service. Do it Do it!! I've done it several times and won each time. It is a good feeling when you win and you look the loser in the eye with a big ol grin...;0

[LaserSVT]

I have to weight the cost/benefit as well. I am a shop owner that has already closed my shop for 6 hours while I go to deal with this dealer. At $75 per hour it is fast becoming not worth my time. I have made a deal with a member on here and as soon as he gives me his PP info I will send the cash for the D/S and get it on its way and try to enjoy my car instead of being stressed over it.

[MaxRS6]

^Gotta make choices. The personal satisfaction was worth it, and did not involve much time (probably 2-3 hours as the court is only two blocks from my house). With any luck- you spend 30 minutes filling out the claim- the other party receives it and decides they should do the right thing in lieu of having their sorry business practices out in the public record.

Sounds like you have a plan- I hope you get to enjoy it after all the effort. Good luck!

[LaserSVT]

Well its kinda good the member here has not gotten back to me. I sold my spare sub, the drone and the timing kit so now I can order the brand new high speed balanced shaft with HD CVs and carrier. Sweet!!!!

[DHall1]

I would go w known good used oem.

[LaserSVT]

Whats wrong with new OEM?

[LaserSVT]

Audi North Austin "Tech"


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[MaxRS6]

^hahaha....so many things...so little time...

[LaserSVT]

I would go w known good used oem.

Thank you for your advice and I will use it again. Have used low mile RS6 shaft in route some time this week. Thanks to TTboost!

[LaserSVT]

Audi North Austin responded to my BBB claim today. What a bunch of pompous asses.

"Looking into the history of the vehicle, the car was titled to Mr. Lindsey on 09/02/15. The complaint would have you believe this car was his for years based on his knowledge of what had been done to the car. The car was towed (by Audi of America) to our facility in an inoperable condition. It was leaking gas and a recall was the source of the requested repair. For the record the car was towed to us on 09/18/15 or 16 days after his purchase. I will mention again, in an inoperable condition. Starting a vehicle that is spraying gas would be reckless and dangerous. Additional research shows this vehicle has had 4 owners, 2 accidents and 26 repair orders while under warranty. We do not see any service records in Audi's national database after 07/18/2011. I would guess many people have worked on this car besides Audi trained technicians including body shops and the aftermarket installer of the exhaust system. We simply performed a recall. Upon completion the technician started the vehicle and the car was vibrating enough to turn it off and notify the customer. We did not drive the car prior to or after the work was completed. The smart remark about the 22 days and Mr. Collier… The length in our shop was based on waiting for a gas tank on a 12 year old vehicle (not a stock item). The first one ordered arrived with transport damage, so we then had to order a second tank. The repair was only performed once all the parts were on site. Mr. Collier’s office has a glass wall facing the shop. The work was performed in a stall nearest his office. If a tech was to “drop” a driveshaft, not only would the noise be loud enough to scare people in the shop, it would be obvious to most people in the building. The part is not small, light or easily moved. I would also say a drive shaft would be more likely damaged from a front or rear collision (again two accidents reported on the vehicle history report). Just to be clear, the vehicle was listed online by the selling dealer (JD Motors) with 79,577 miles. The car was towed in (inoperable) with 79,791 miles (214 miles of ownership). To make a claim pertaining to the exhaust that “other Audi dealers remove and reinstall several times during the cars previous $15,000 in service” seems strange for a car that has been owned for 16 day and 214 miles. The title works shows his purchase price of $15,995. Who spent $15,000 on service? All that would conclude is that we are not the only ones to work on the car. The exhaust is not fitted per the OEM specs. It may operate with the aftermarket system installed, but it is not a 100% fit. Based on our data, we will agree to disagree on this vehicle. Twelve years old, 4 owners, 2 accidents and all of 16 days and 214 miles of “knowledge” on Mr. Lindsey’s side does not warrant us to be liable for any additional work."



This was the compliant sent to BBB. As it was the first time I ever used it I thought it was just posted to an open site and wrote it as such.

"I have a 2003 RS6 that was one of the best driving and smoothest machines I have ever owned. I made the mistake of letting Audi of North Austin perform a nation wide fuel tank recall due to fuel spillage. After 3 weeks they notified me the car was complete but is undriveable due to a severe vibration under acceleration. They suggested to bring a tow truck to bring the car back home 100 miles away. Upon picking up the car I noticed my exhaust was not mounted. In hopes this was the vibration issue I asked to have them look at it. The "tech" stated it has a cheap aftermarket exhaust and he didn't know how to slip two pipes together. I should point out it has a $6000 Miltek exhaust on it that other Audi dealers have removed and reinstalled several times during the cars previous $15,000 in services. The tech was very rude and instructed me to bring it to an exhaust shop. Upon getting the car home I put it in the air as I own a 5 star rated mechanic shop. I instantly noticed many issues. They bent and tore most of the exhaust heat shields, used a screw driver and scratched through the paint to mark the carrier bearings location, they did not index the driveshaft, left the new fuel tank straps unbolted by over 1/2", did not put the brake lines back in their anchors, broke the parking brake retainer clip and used a zip tie to fix it but the MAJOR issue is they had dropped the drive-shaft thus bending the forward CV joint now making it oval shaped. That is the cause of the vibration. They ruined a perfect driving car and refuse to take responsibility even though I have two ASE Master techs and one Audi tech all confirming the day Audi of North Austin received the car that the car was 100% smooth and drove to perfection. I implore you to never go to Audi of North Austin. The technician is incompetent and a liar. The service manager Morris Collier is not only rude but incompetent. He informed me he watched the car the entire time. If he spent 22 days watching my car then he has a strange job that he is overpaid for. There is no doubt the driveshaft was dropped and damaged. The impact mark is fresh, the damage is obvious."


I have already responded. I should have taken more care and time on my response but I read theirs and was very upset. I never implied or claimed I owned the car for longer than I had. I was very upfront with Audi about that. I have records. I have proof. Also the car was in one accident which was minor but did require a new bumper and grill set. It had later adjustments done that were attached to the original accident but since it has a separate claim number it shows as two. Also I am the third owner. Not sure when dealers were counted as owners but whatever.

Here was my response:
"I am rejecting this response because:Being that it is an Audi it is easy to get service history and records from any Audi dealership should the appropriate footwork be completed. I have the cars service records from the first day sold all the way until 77488 miles when the car was at Audi Central Houston. The service writer and technician at that dealer are very familiar with the vehicle and have worked on it through the last two owners. I have all documents to show this. I also have records showing when the exhaust was installed back in 2008. Since the exhaust was installed the car has been at an Audi dealership for repairs 14 times. During those times on 4 separate occasions the exhaust was removed BY THE DEALER and reinstalled after work was completed. One time for a replacement torque convertor, once for front oxygen sensors, once for various engine repairs and once to have the recall done. The 5th time the exhaust was removed it was at Audi North Austin. Two other Texas dealers could install the exhaust, it really is a simple process, yet Audi North Austin could not.
Now the car was requested to be brought to Audi North Houston on a tow truck by Audi Of America. I offered to drive the car down there as it was not "Spraying fuel" as the dealer just stated but it would leak some if over 2/3 full. The car was down to a half tank of fuel thus no longer leaked fuel. As to why the car was not driven into their service bay is beyond me. I suspect because they do not have any RS trained technicians. I have several witnesses that will attest to the cars driving condition the day it was brought to Audi. I have two ASE Master techs, one Audi trained and certified tech as well as a retired DEA agent and one active Navy Lt that will all attest to the cars perfectly smooth driving characteristics the day it was retrieved by Audi. Being as I had just serviced the transmission I know for a fact that the driveshaft was not damaged in any way. As the dealer states I did put a couple hundred miles on the vehicle. If it had previous damage I would not have been able to drive the vehicle as the dealer and their technician states. The car is undriveable. Upon further inspection I did see the damaged drive shaft CV joint and after removing the heat shields that Audi North Austin damaged I could see where the CV joint has a fresh impact FROM BEING DROPPED on the CV joint which has ovaled it.
The car now requires a very expensive driveshaft. Further more the dealer neglected to completely attach the fuel tank to the car, they did not put the brake lines back in their brackets, they broke a parking brake cable retainer and used a zip tie to fix it and scratched through the paint in a vain attempt to try and repair their mistake.
They received a running driving car and returned a vehicle that could not be driven and was assembled poorly to the point I believe I will have to redo all the work that was done to check for other mistakes. I am not being unreasonable in my request to have the dealer reimburse me for the drive shaft they damaged as well as the tow fee to retrieve the car they damaged.

Regards,

William Lindsey Iii"

[Other_Erik]

Bill

BBB is going to get you nowhere. File suit and be done with it. Don't know the laws in TX, but here in VA if you're suing a company rather than an individual, it goes to open court, not small claims (since companies must have representation, and that's not allowed in small claims court).

O_E

[MaxRS6]

Someone moved my "all in good fun" poo message....

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In any event- appears you chose the forum's advice...to take Dave's always spot on advice. We all hope you get it corrected and ripping many smiles. Why do I have a strange feeling this thread may end up in legal (counselor, legal eagle, law hawk, bloodsucker, best friend when in trouble, {insert other here}) hands- please enjoy the poo

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[LaserSVT]

New shaft just installed and she is smooth as silk again! Feels so good to drive her. Love this car.
We now have a better understanding of exactly what happened. I noticed as I was holding the shaft and my buddy was unbolting it from the trans that the oblonged part matched the shaft neck when it was in a downward position. Out of curiosity I started to let it down more and more until I saw that the ovaled part fit perfectly into the shaft. Knowing I had seen an impact mark on the forward CV before I looked closer and it appears more like a power tool slipped and just knicked it.
The actual damage (ovaling of CV) happened due to them unhooking the carrier but leaving the shaft connected to the car and rear and then using their lift they dropped the rear subframe down to near ground level and the shaft itself bent the CV. That or they just disconected it from the rear as well and let the shaft hang from the trans.
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[LaserSVT]

ttboost, thanks again. So freakin happy.

[DHall1]

Surprise surprise surprise

Now where are those data logs


Now lets put the screws to Audi in Austin. Time for court

[LaserSVT]

I will try to do the data next weekend. Since this crap started I never ordered my Vagcom and have to borrow my friends. He keeps it at work so I will have him bring it home Friday.

Also I can see why the Audi "tech" could not put my exhaust back together. It took a special trick. I had to grab each pipe and slip them together and then tighten the single 15mm nut. Very complex, I could see his issue.

[LaserSVT]

I love this car so much. Many sports cars went home butt hurt.

My favorite one:
Me: That SRT8 (Challenger) sounds alright. Is it quick?
SRT: (laughs) Hell yeah! Wanna me to launch it?
Me: Okay, if you feel like it. Mind if I launch with you?
SRT: (looks at my car and laughs) Yeah, sure.

So as I instantly pulled 4-5 cars on him and continued to pull I let out so he could come up next to me. Their faces were priceless. LOL
I messed up though. Guess he was the hot car on the strip. Nobody else would play. :(

[Cmnair]

What a bunch of a***hats, liars, cheats and incompetent jerks. Glad you were able fix things yourself and are able to enjoy the car. Plus this forum is awesome!

[ttboost]

ttboost, thanks again. So freakin happy.

More than welcome Bill...glad you got your ride up and running...

[LaserSVT]

I sure wish you would let me send you some money.

[DHall1]

Priceless



..........



Screw off Audi North Austin




I love this car so much. Many sports cars went home butt hurt.

My favorite one:
Me: That SRT8 (Challenger) sounds alright. Is it quick?
SRT: (laughs) Hell yeah! Wanna me to launch it?
Me: Okay, if you feel like it. Mind if I launch with you?
SRT: (looks at my car and laughs) Yeah, sure.

So as I instantly pulled 4-5 cars on him and continued to pull I let out so he could come up next to me. Their faces were priceless. LOL
I messed up though. Guess he was the hot car on the strip. Nobody else would play. :(

[LaserSVT]

North Austin. The others seem to have a better rep. I have hit all of the review sites and hammered them but its only one little review amongst a sea of many.

[LaserSVT]

Tonight I learned after a few rapid slow downs from a fairly high rate of speed that I am ready for new front rotors. Started to get steering wheel vibrations by the third run. Great way to blow $1300. LOL
On the bright side there is one unhappy Z06 owner in town.

[DHall1]

Phaeton ducts or just remove your dust shields

[LaserSVT]

Yeah but they shouldnt have done that so quick. Got to 130 and slowed to 60 real quick and then to 150 and back to 60 real quick and then to 175 and that time it shook the car hard enough to vibrate the sunroof shade. I think its just time. They look about 2mm worn so that puts them at only 4mm thick now.

But I am all for better cooling. Never saw a purpose in dust shields anyway and we typicly remove them on our Mark VIII and Mustang builds so I will do that. Thanks.

Now I guess I have to research the Phaeton mod. LOL

[MaxRS6]

Check for brake pad deposits. You may have cooked brake pad material globs onto the rotors.

As you probably know, the Alcon rings can be purchased separately. Previously, I could obtain set of rings for approximately $600. However; last time I checked (a year ago)- it was going to run around $800. Good thing I stashed away a few $600/sets for future use.

[Cmnair]

On the bright side there is one unhappy Z06 owner in town.

C5 or C6 Z06? :) I had a C5 Z06 previously....it is a pretty quick car (low 12s and mid teens in the quarter easy). I guess a tuned RS6 with a good driver could match up well with a stock C5 Z06 with an average driver.

if it was a C6 Z06 he wasn't racing or maybe terrible driver.

[LaserSVT]

Check for brake pad deposits. You may have cooked brake pad material globs onto the rotors.

As you probably know, the Alcon rings can be purchased separately. Previously, I could obtain set of rings for approximately $600. However; last time I checked (a year ago)- it was going to run around $800. Good thing I stashed away a few $600/sets for future use.
On the site they are listed at $1300 for the pair of 370x32mm rotors. If you have a link for under $1000 please share.

C5 or C6 Z06? :) I had a C5 Z06 previously....it is a pretty quick car (low 12s and mid teens in the quarter easy). I guess a tuned RS6 with a good driver could match up well with a stock C5 Z06 with an average driver.

if it was a C6 Z06 he wasn't racing or maybe terrible driver.

2004 C5 Z06 special edition with the carbon fiber bits. Had exhaust for sure. I thought it was my friend as his was the only one of those in town I had seen but texting him proved that wrong.

[fukinavit]

C5 or C6 Z06? :) I had a C5 Z06 previously....it is a pretty quick car (low 12s and mid teens in the quarter easy). I guess a tuned RS6 with a good driver could match up well with a stock C5 Z06 with an average driver.

if it was a C6 Z06 he wasn't racing or maybe terrible driver.

probably too busy adjusting his comb over.:lovl:

[MaxRS6]

On the site they are listed at $1300 for the pair of 370x32mm rotors.

If I can't find them at substantially less than $1300 when I use up my ring supply- I will throw the OEM calipers back on the car and go with another rotor option.

[LaserSVT]

New toy arrived for me to modify.

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[Cmnair]

probably too busy adjusting his comb over.:lovl:

Expected that comment from the "Z06 is garbage" guy :)

[ZCD2.7T]

I love this car so much. Many sports cars went home butt hurt.

My favorite one:
Me: That SRT8 (Challenger) sounds alright. Is it quick?
SRT: (laughs) Hell yeah! Wanna me to launch it?
Me: Okay, if you feel like it. Mind if I launch with you?
SRT: (looks at my car and laughs) Yeah, sure.

So as I instantly pulled 4-5 cars on him and continued to pull I let out so he could come up next to me. Their faces were priceless. LOL
I messed up though. Guess he was the hot car on the strip. Nobody else would play. :(

LOL!

What ETs and speeds did you run?

[Cmnair]

Bill
what tune do you have on your car? Sounds like it is a strong car.

[LaserSVT]

No idea what tune, ET and 1/4 speeds. I have to data log to figure out its tune. I am in the process of helping my brother out replacing his heater core so that kinda killed my weekend for borrowing my friends Vagcom as the heater core in his car is a major PITA. I may have time today to install my new gauge and at least know what boost level its at. Depends on how much longer we need on his car.
Never in my life have I done a heater core that is so hard. Freakin Lincoln engineers need to be shot.

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[ttboost]

Freakin Lincoln engineers need to be shot.

Line them up next to the Audi engineers...

[nistah]

Wow just read this entire thread, sounds like the Audi dealer tried the old banana in the tailpipe routine on your beast.


http://youtu.be/6y-pdLyZPJ8

Happy to hear your back on the road :incar:

[LaserSVT]

Line them up next to the Audi engineers...

Hey now, GM aint any better. Early LQ engines didn't even have a tensioner on the AC belt and you had to cut it off. And the blend/mode door actuators in the dash of a Cadillac are a special kind of hell. We wont even get into the Northstar. LOL
That being said, everything in my old Cheby truck is cheap and easy to get to and it is BY FAR the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned. Don't think I have had to do anything to it besides oil changes in like 3 years.

[Dmb408]

Expected that comment from the "Z06 is garbage" guy :)

Exactly. I thought the same thing when I read his comment. Also, I finally read this year's lighting lap issue (Oct 2015 I believe) of Car and Driver and saw the Z06 trounce everything, the exotics included, and I was just like yea, people will hate.

[Bigglezworth]

The Z06 gets the comments it does on BOTH sides of the fence for very good reasons. Where the discussions always tank is when it comes to a quality ride. The Z06 is a track car - plain and simple. Just like the Viper 2.0T, it's a behemoth on the track and yes - trounces a good number of cars. This comes at the cost of quality. Yes a host of plastic and FRP parts in an effort to shed weight and more and more amounts of CF also. It's weight savings do not largely come as a result of more expensive materials as that would push the already fairly pricey domestic in to the exotic range. The result is that it's not the best made car and styling cues are always subjective no matter who you talk with. That's not to say that either is 'cheap' though, but all those lovers of the Z06 need to properly realize it's also not a high quality end product that those on the opposite side of the fence always get their panties up in a knot over. It's made just fine for what it needs to excel at and like the Viper 2.0T, it's definitely got good bang for buck.

Just my $0.02

[fukinavit]

totally agree with the above comment. Although I apologize for calling the car garbage, it certainly isn't, I just have a stereotypical image of corvette owners which sways my judgement. ive never been a fan of cars that scream "look at me",( which I why I love our understated beasts). sorry if I offended, if so please fill out this form. http://www.redonkulas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DA-FORM-IMTWF1.pdf
I am sure you guys that own them are true down to earth fellows.

[LaserSVT]

The Z06 gets the comments it does on BOTH sides of the fence for very good reasons. Where the discussions always tank is when it comes to a quality ride. The Z06 is a track car - plain and simple. Just like the Viper 2.0T, it's a behemoth on the track and yes - trounces a good number of cars. This comes at the cost of quality. Yes a host of plastic and FRP parts in an effort to shed weight and more and more amounts of CF also. It's weight savings do not largely come as a result of more expensive materials as that would push the already fairly pricey domestic in to the exotic range. The result is that it's not the best made car and styling cues are always subjective no matter who you talk with. That's not to say that either is 'cheap' though, but all those lovers of the Z06 need to properly realize it's also not a high quality end product that those on the opposite side of the fence always get their panties up in a knot over. It's made just fine for what it needs to excel at and like the Viper 2.0T, it's definitely got good bang for buck.

Just my $0.02
That's about as perfect as one could explain it.

[LaserSVT]

Didn't notice I rolled past 80K yesterday. Hope she has another 80K in her. LOL

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151110_073541925_zpsn8nttn9i.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151110_073541925_zpsn8nttn9i.jpg.html)

[Bigglezworth]

Peanuts.... Will go more than three times that and then some if properly maintained.

[jtmdmd1]

Looked down at the speedometer the other day & it looked kind of funny. I thought something else was broken, but it was just all the 1s lined up turning 111,11116865. Still have CEL from SAI & small fan codes that were present when I got the car back from repairs after the wreck last Thanksgiving- the insurance co. of course said that there could be no underhood damage from a rear-end collision ( they weren't there before the wreck & it just sat for a couple of months so it seems reasonable to assume that they were caused by the wreck).

I finally got my car back from having my gas tank replaced after that wreck due to recurring EVAP codes- it took ~ 5 weeks but at least I didn't run into all the problems that you had. It's amazing what all they can screw up.

It really does make you realize what a great car it is after you drive a rental for a while.

Ted

[Cmnair]

The Z06 gets the comments it does on BOTH sides of the fence for very good reasons. Where the discussions always tank is when it comes to a quality ride. The Z06 is a track car - plain and simple. Just like the Viper 2.0T, it's a behemoth on the track and yes - trounces a good number of cars. This comes at the cost of quality. Yes a host of plastic and FRP parts in an effort to shed weight and more and more amounts of CF also. It's weight savings do not largely come as a result of more expensive materials as that would push the already fairly pricey domestic in to the exotic range. The result is that it's not the best made car and styling cues are always subjective no matter who you talk with. That's not to say that either is 'cheap' though, but all those lovers of the Z06 need to properly realize it's also not a high quality end product that those on the opposite side of the fence always get their panties up in a knot over. It's made just fine for what it needs to excel at and like the Viper 2.0T, it's definitely got good bang for buck.

Just my $0.02

Hmmmm... I wouldn't call the Z06 or ZR1 "not high quality". If you look under the skin (as you say styling is subjective)... you have aluminum frame, magnesium alloy engine cradle, carbon fiber front fenders (in some models the hood is carbon fiber), and carbon fiber/balsa wood composite floor...and this is just the Z06. The ZR1 has even more carbon fiber panels. All ZR1s and 2012-13 Z06s (optional) have the MRC suspension that Ferrari licensed from GM. The later year C6 Z06s with the 3LZ interior package is swathed with leather and decent seats (granted not euro quality yet but the C7s have closed the gap).

If you happen to be in NY I can give you a ride in my 13 Z06..very livable daily driver with the MRC suspension. :)

[Cmnair]

totally agree with the above comment. Although I apologize for calling the car garbage, it certainly isn't, I just have a stereotypical image of corvette owners which sways my judgement. ive never been a fan of cars that scream "look at me",( which I why I love our understated beasts). sorry if I offended, if so please fill out this form. http://www.redonkulas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DA-FORM-IMTWF1.pdf
I am sure you guys that own them are true down to earth fellows.

i appreciate all performance cars regardless of "brand" and try not to stereotype drivers of said brand. You should really drive a Z06 on a road course and then form your opinion independent of your image of the driver. By the way, a lot of people look at Audis and BMWs as "look at me" cars as well :)

[LaserSVT]

Hmmmm... I wouldn't call the Z06 or ZR1 "not high quality". If you look under the skin (as you say styling is subjective)... you have aluminum frame, magnesium alloy engine cradle, carbon fiber front fenders (in some models the hood is carbon fiber), and carbon fiber/balsa wood composite floor...and this is just the Z06. The ZR1 has even more carbon fiber panels. All ZR1s and 2012-13 Z06s (optional) have the MRC suspension that Ferrari licensed from GM. The later year C6 Z06s with the 3LZ interior package is swathed with leather and decent seats (granted not euro quality yet but the C7s have closed the gap).

If you happen to be in NY I can give you a ride in my 13 Z06..very livable daily driver with the MRC suspension. :)

I believe his statement was more to do with what you do see. Like the flimsy tail pannel and the hard plastics inside. Cheap looking climate control and lots of squeeks and rattles. The leather does not feel very supple and the A and B pillars look cheap. The cars feel cheap, more so when compared to what their performance counterparts have.
But its a whole lot of car for the money. It beats cars that are 4x its cost. Its purely American. We go all out and forget the other items such as nice trim or a good ride. If we do focus on nice trim and a good ride then we throw out performance. LOL
Performance AND comfort is something the Europeans just do better.

[Cmnair]

I believe his statement was more to do with what you do see. Like the flimsy tail pannel and the hard plastics inside. Cheap looking climate control and lots of squeeks and rattles. The leather does not feel very supple and the A and B pillars look cheap. The cars feel cheap, more so when compared to what their performance counterparts have.
But its a whole lot of car for the money. It beats cars that are 4x its cost. Its purely American. We go all out and forget the other items such as nice trim or a good ride. If we do focus on nice trim and a good ride then we throw out performance. LOL
Performance AND comfort is something the Europeans just do better.

Yup that is how those SMC panels are ....but they are fairly resilient..however not as strong or exotic as carbon fiber. I don't think your comments on the interior apply any more for the 3LZ cars after 2012, and the C7s are even better.

Anyway enough on this subject..sorry about the thread jack. How is your car driving now? Everything back to normal?

[LaserSVT]

Runs and drives great. Been driving it every day. I think my front shocks may be worn out but other than that it seems to be all good. :)

[ttboost]

I believe his statement was more to do with what you do see. Like the flimsy tail pannel and the hard plastics inside. Cheap looking climate control and lots of squeeks and rattles. The leather does not feel very supple and the A and B pillars look cheap. The cars feel cheap, more so when compared to what their performance counterparts have.
But its a whole lot of car for the money. It beats cars that are 4x its cost. Its purely American. We go all out and forget the other items such as nice trim or a good ride. If we do focus on nice trim and a good ride then we throw out performance. LOL
Performance AND comfort is something the Europeans just do better.

Yep, my V is a squeaky rattle box compared to my old Audi. But for the cost of entry and mods, my performance is way beyond what I could have ever gotten. I need that in my life right now...

[Cmnair]

Yep, my V is a squeaky rattle box compared to my old Audi. But for the cost of entry and mods, my performance is way beyond what I could have ever gotten. I need that in my life right now...

Enjoy the V Mike! You have a 6 speed manual right? Mine was tight and rattle free when I turned it back in after 39 months.

[ttboost]

Enjoy the V Mike! You have a 6 speed manual right? Mine was tight and rattle free when I turned it back in after 39 months.

Thanks. My car is an auto, and isn't actually that bad. I had a clunk a while back, but 2 new rear shocks fixed it.

[Bigglezworth]

Wait, are you saying that your suspension failed with less mileage on it than an RS6??? lol

[ttboost]

Wait, are you saying that your suspension failed with less mileage on it than an RS6??? lol

Nope, didn't say that at all. My 2 rear GM MRS failed at 66k miles...My FIRST RS6 DRC failure was at 30k miles...They were due again at 70k when I sold it...But nice try Tim...:hihi::incar:

[LaserSVT]

My Audi had the DRC swapped at 38K and then had the rear Bilsteins replaced again at 62k and one of the fronts done at 72k. Never killed a Bilstein before myself.

[LaserSVT]

Well my plan for today was to just install my PLX gauge system. Car had other plans. I noticed it was a bit down on power on the way to my shop so I got it on the rack to check what I suspected it was.
Pulling out of my friends house last night the bottom of the nose hit the ground with a loud thump. I checked to make sure nothing was leaking but didn't notice the intercooler hose clamp snapped. Sure enough it had. Luckily I had a set of nice T-clamps left over from a previous build. Reason number 362 why I need to buy a new belly pan. LOL

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151115_121057111_zpswtdelrii.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151115_121057111_zpswtdelrii.jpg.html)
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So with that fixed it was time to install the gauge. Let me apologize for the crappy pictures I took with my potato. I will try for better ones in a better light latter. One down side is the gauge does not seem to read boost off the OBDII port so I will have to buy the boost module I guess. :( System does work well though otherwise. The OLED display is nice and crisp and the touch screen is easy enough to use. I like it. The pictures do no justice as its colors match the dash perfectly.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151115_121122931_zpsvdimlkkk.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151115_121122931_zpsvdimlkkk.jpg.html)
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[bethridg]

Be careful with those T-bolts once you get a belly pan. I installed mine with the threaded end pointing straight down. Found that it punched a hole straight through the plastic. Angled up like you have them will not cause any clearance issues.

[LaserSVT]

Boost module showed up today so I guess I will slap that in tomorrow. I rewired the main amps today to double the power to the front speakers. I also added an efecient class D amp for the subwoofer. Should put less of a strain on the electrical system not making the McIntosh try and push that sub. System sounds a whole lot better now. :)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/IMG_20151118_154806782_zpsbhjcfrak.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/IMG_20151118_154806782_zpsbhjcfrak.jpg.html)

[LaserSVT]

Got the boost module wired in. Used a hard line to go through the firewall to some high temp vac lines. Also got my bass knob installed.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151119_111933697_zpsnd118xx3.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151119_111933697_zpsnd118xx3.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151119_123210014_zpsufh3qivy.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151119_123210014_zpsufh3qivy.jpg.html)

[P1054]

Looks nice! I'd love to see/hear your car in person.

[LaserSVT]

Well it seems my tune is very mild. I only see 10psi max and closer to 9.3 steady. I did check all the vac lines and replaced the diverters and FPR lines. Rest seemed good and newish. I don't have any codes and am unsure if the diverters may be leaking or if it is just a mild tune. At any rate that means I want a more aggressive tune.

So who makes the current flavor of the month? I hear GIAC runs lean and I see APR isn't what they used to be so which one should I get?

[DHall1]

You could get stage 2 Eurocharged. Jerry is down in Texas

10sec tune is good and has brake boost...actually may be the way to go.

[LaserSVT]

Yeah, down in Houston. I will give him a call tomorrow and see if he also does trans tunes.

[LaserSVT]

Oh boy! New toys arrived today. :D The AD speakers showed up and I have to say, I am in love. They are not the prettiest things out there but they have excellent build quality and so far I am very happy with their performance. Everything dropped in pretty easily. The woofers dropped right into the factory location like they were made for the car. The JUST fit with maybe 1/16" to spare. Since I may not keep the tweeters I didnt want to modify them so I used some foam blocks to secure them under the OEM tweeter clip. The mids though, well thats a different story. I got the regular ones but needed the Neo magnet versions so they will fit. The regular ones are a bit too deep and the magnets too large. For now while I await the Neos I have used the tried and true DIYMA way of setting them in place. Lucky I have extra towels. LOL
While I have many hours of testing and tuning ahead of me I can say right off the bat they blow the Morels away. Tweeters are much more crisp and detailed, mids are much more realistic and the mid-bass has kinda blown me away on what I thought a 6" could do. Cant wait to dial them in but using the exact settings I had on the Morels these speakers are far far superior.
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/1A_zps6vzfjhdu.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/1A_zps6vzfjhdu.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/2B_zpsl8uxe72g.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/2B_zpsl8uxe72g.jpg.html)
Out with the old:
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Side by side comparison:
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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/Mid%20comp_zpsdrdmspws.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/Mid%20comp_zpsdrdmspws.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/tweet%20Comp_zpskfriard5.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/tweet%20Comp_zpskfriard5.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/Woof%20Comp2_zpsljiljplg.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/Woof%20Comp2_zpsljiljplg.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/Woof%20compare_zpspqm48mij.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/Woof%20compare_zpspqm48mij.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151120_152051373_zps2ubsgd2m.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151120_152051373_zps2ubsgd2m.jpg.html)
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[LaserSVT]

Sometimes its the simple things to make me happy. Changed out the worn steering wheel badge and scratched up mirror switch. :)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151122_171001162_zpsduvbpp0n.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151122_171001162_zpsduvbpp0n.jpg.html)
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Got the woofer covered.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151122_164133423_zpsdv2z6wwp.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/IMG_20151122_164133423_zpsdv2z6wwp.jpg.html)


And polished out the headlights a bit:

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[LaserSVT]

Going for a baseline dyno run on Saturday. Will be a Mustang dyno and he said they can get me TQ and A/F numbers as well. Tomorrow I am ordering the 034 ECU/TCU tune as well as the hand held tuner. Time to make some power.

[LaserSVT]

Got the ECU/TCU paid for and ordered it with a 93 and 100 octane tune. Cant wait to see how she does on the dyno tomorrow! Place is an hour away and after the run it will give me 2 hours to get the car back and yank the TCU so FedEx can have it by 1 to get it to 034 early enough to make sure I get it back before next weekend and the car show up in Dallas.

Any guesses on what the stock numbers will be?

[lswing]

Excellent, should be a blast with the new tune. I'm guessing 352hp/338tq on the Mustang Dyno....ballpark stock numbers. Yes you read it right...lower torque from factory is standard, they knew the trans was weak from the start.

[DHall1]

This thread is worthless without data logs.

Dyno worthless without data logs.

:addict:

[LaserSVT]

Well thats ordered too but wont be here before the TCU has to go out. Sorry.

I will be doing HP and TQ as well as AF. My gauge can graph and record timing and fuel trims if you want? Or IATs or whatever. I figured on the dyno I would have it reading timing and IATs as I am curious what they will be under stock settings. Cruising down the road I have seen the car command 36* advance. Havent watched it under boost but will on the way to the dyno tomorrow.

[LaserSVT]

Got the baseline runs done today. Run one did 374hp and 377 tq, second run did 388 hp and 367 tq. Both runs the car ran 11.8psi and by the 3rd and 4th run the computer pulled the max boost down to 9psi which is the stock limitations. That gave me a true number of 336 whp and 353.5 wtq.
ECU is now getting remapped and the TCU is in route to be redone at 034 Motorsports. Should run 18 psi when done. Its a bit lean on the top end where it goes to 13.1:1 A/F. Thats with a tailpipe sniffer and with the high flow cats an exhaust which I think may be causing the little bit of lean on the top end.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm-KPjjn_3o&feature=youtu.be

[LaserSVT]

It also appears to have had some sort of trans tune.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/Audi%20RS6/TCU5_zpsggedxycx.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/Audi%20RS6/TCU5_zpsggedxycx.jpg.html)

[lswing]

Interesting, sounds like your ECU is tuned after all as stock will never go above 8-9psi, but still a mild tune. Tough to tell what kind of TCU tune it is, MTM was just flashed onto stock chips usually, GIAC would put a brand sticker on. Still might be nice to use the 034 products though, certainly for more boost.

Your boost and hp/tq numbers are dropping due to heat soak. Get that water meth!

[LaserSVT]

The IATs on all the runs were 110-117*. The lowest one was the third run. Normally on the street the car only sees 9.2psi at WOT. Every once in a while it would give me 11psi for a second and then almost instantly drop to 9.2
Guy running the dyno does a lot o VWs and said thats normal on a stock tune to run a little extra boost for the first run and then go to stock limits after.

Also after much research it seems the RS6 is supposed to be 9-10 stock with the ocasional ability to spike to 12. Found that in several threads on here as well as all the other Audi forums.

Couple that with my free flow cats and exhaust and I can see it spooling the turbos harder.

[DHall1]

It was tuned but we will never know what crappy tune it had.

Data logs are used to evaluate requested vs actual on key items. And clue to what tune it had

It was running lean. All the good tunes run lots of fuel up top

[ttboost]

At 18psi, you are not leaving yourself a lot of room. My car was out of fuel at 17-18 psi, with a stock fuel system. Ended up around 16 psi. Also, even if it runs 18 psi, it will likely drop off to 12-13 anyway up top. The turbine housing is tiny and can't support that kind of boost duration, let alone the heat soak. So if you're over boosting by 2-3psi now, at 18psi, you'll be over 20psi...yanking timing and heating up that intake air something fierce. It will feel good for a few seconds, but it will fall on it's face fairly quickly...been there done that...

[LaserSVT]

It was tuned but we will never know what crappy tune it had.

Data logs are used to evaluate requested vs actual on key items. And clue to what tune it had

It was running lean. All the good tunes run lots of fuel up top

It still has the computer in it. I could always data log whats in there when the TCU gets back. For the ECU they are sending me a hand held tuner with the files. But when I saw the 13.1 afr I thought it MAY have had someoes early half ass attempt at a tune and just wanted it gone. Now I am thinking of waiting till I can data log it just to make sure the fuel pump isnt at 100% DC already with those 11lb spikes and then know I have a weak pump.
Cars tail pipes always stay soot free. Seems like every other turbo car I had ran rich enough to keep them dirty.

But then again in my experience on dynos, tail sniffers usually read leaner than a wideband closer to the engine.


There are lots of things to worry about when modding a car. Thats why I went with a tuning company that many suggested and after speaking to seem to know these cars. I will be using the same tune many othrs are and everyone with that tune says they love it and have run thousands of miles on it.
Car will be strapped back on the dyno after the tune and we will watch the A/F closely and if it gets too lean we will just shut down and look at replacing the pump.

[LaserSVT]

At 18psi, you are not leaving yourself a lot of room. My car was out of fuel at 17-18 psi, with a stock fuel system. Ended up around 16 psi. Also, even if it runs 18 psi, it will likely drop off to 12-13 anyway up top. The turbine housing is tiny and can't support that kind of boost duration, let alone the heat soak. So if you're over boosting by 2-3psi now, at 18psi, you'll be over 20psi...yanking timing and heating up that intake air something fierce. It will feel good for a few seconds, but it will fall on it's face fairly quickly...been there done that...

Yes, it will drop to 12-13 up top and only hits the 17.5 right in the middle. Here is their dyno run:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/orange92gt/034motorsport-c5-audi-rs6-42t-stage-1-tuning-dyno-performance-ecu-upgrade-91-octane-17-psi-boost_zps96d9zcwx.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/orange92gt/media/034motorsport-c5-audi-rs6-42t-stage-1-tuning-dyno-performance-ecu-upgrade-91-octane-17-psi-boost_zps96d9zcwx.jpg.html)

[DHall1]

I know I sound like a broken record but

Without the damn data log...you have no f'in idea wth is going on with the engine sensors and boost control valves.

I mean come on man. You have no business throwing any damn tune on this car until its data logged.



It still has the computer in it. I could always data log whats in there when the TCU gets back. For the ECU they are sending me a hand held tuner with the files. But when I saw the 13.1 afr I thought it MAY have had someoes early half ass attempt at a tune and just wanted it gone. Now I am thinking of waiting till I can data log it just to make sure the fuel pump isnt at 100% DC already with those 11lb spikes and then know I have a weak pump.
Cars tail pipes always stay soot free. Seems like every other turbo car I had ran rich enough to keep them dirty.

But then again in my experience on dynos, tail sniffers usually read leaner than a wideband closer to the engine.


There are lots of things to worry about when modding a car. Thats why I went with a tuning company that many suggested and after speaking to seem to know these cars. I will be using the same tune many othrs are and everyone with that tune says they love it and have run thousands of miles on it.
Car will be strapped back on the dyno after the tune and we will watch the A/F closely and if it gets too lean we will just shut down and look at replacing the pump.

[LaserSVT]

I know I sound like a broken record but

Without the damn data log...you have no f'in idea wth is going on with the engine sensors and boost control valves.

I mean come on man. You have no business throwing any damn tune on this car until its data logged.

Isnt that what the first part of what you quoted was pretty much saying? That I can data log it before I put the engine tune on there? Car already had a trans tune and I am just getting a better one but like I said, I can wait to load the engine tune on it. I have tried to borrow one locally but he keeps flaking. I have tried to order the cable and software twice but both times the transaction was canceled for some reason. The last time was late Friday so I have to call them tomorrow to see what is going on with it. There is a member coming through tomorrow and he may let me borrow his for a bit. If he does then I can get the data at the end of the week.

What data numbers is it that you want (i know you said before but I cant find the post). I assume we want to see commanded boost vs actual and commanded fuel vs actual and if there is any knock sensor activity. I know the IATs are staying fairly cool. So what other data is wanted/needed?


I assume all of this is because you suspect there may be an issue with the vehicle that may become more pronounced with more power commanded? Or is it just to make sure it is healthy before the wick is turned up?

[LaserSVT]

Okay, found your other post Dave. Didnt realize it was so early in the thread:
"Vagcom data log 3,31,115 in turbo mode. 3rd gear 2500 to redline and post the log. This will ensure things are running well."


What are those three data points for?

[LaserSVT]

BTW, here is the cars dyno run from where it held 9.2 psi max. It did two runs that were perfect copies of each other so we figured this was the cars true number. Both runs started with the IATs at 129* and by the end of the run they were under 119*.

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[DHall1]

Requested vs actual is what you need

Boost
A/f

Then look at timing

3 31 115

More if there is any problem with the above. The car is lean but why is the question.

After 2 data logs....do sneaky reset and do 2 more.

Results may surprise

Dyno chart tells very little

[6172crew]

Sorry to jump in on lazer's thread but after finally figuring out I had 2 bad MAFs that were kicking out wacky codes and pointing no where near a MAF code Im getting ready to take a data dump myself.

Boost, and blocks 3,31 and 115 are what everyone's is looking at? I noticed my hex-net has 3-4 boost blocks to measure, amongst plenty of other things and wanted to make sure Im getting the ones I need.

Funny, the car runs much better at half throttle than if I pin it. I have 2 MAFS inbound and hoping the car runs much better than before. The car was jerking and downshifting, giving me ECU and TCU were not talking. Unplugged the MAFS and all went away...other than the MAF code now.

[LaserSVT]

Requested vs actual is what you need

Boost
A/f

Then look at timing

3 31 115

More if there is any problem with the above. The car is lean but why is the question.

After 2 data logs....do sneaky reset and do 2 more.

Results may surprise

Dyno chart tells very little
I think (or hope) that the issue was due to it being a tail sniffer or to it being an old and crappy tune. But my friend is coming out with the computer in hand Friday night after my TCU gets in so we can do those runs with the vagcom. If all looks good and the fuel pump isnt near max and the tune is actually commanding a leaner condition (or if it is right on just the dyno sniffer was off) then I will go ahead and load the new performance tune that same night. There are some things happening Saturday and I need to make back some of this money from some unsuspecting Evo and STi drivers. :D
I took them down once. Next time they are supposed to have their 100 shot bottles loaded. :incar:

[ttboost]

Sorry to jump in on lazer's thread but after finally figuring out I had 2 bad MAFs that were kicking out wacky codes and pointing no where near a MAF code Im getting ready to take a data dump myself.

Boost, and blocks 3,31 and 115 are what everyone's is looking at? I noticed my hex-net has 3-4 boost blocks to measure, amongst plenty of other things and wanted to make sure Im getting the ones I need.

Funny, the car runs much better at half throttle than if I pin it. I have 2 MAFS inbound and hoping the car runs much better than before. The car was jerking and downshifting, giving me ECU and TCU were not talking. Unplugged the MAFS and all went away...other than the MAF code now.

Do NOT boost the car without MAF's or with known or suspected bad MAF's.

[6172crew]

Do NOT boost the car without MAF's or with known or suspected bad MAF's.

The only reason I found out I had bad mafs was looking at them on teh freeway, and they were not really responding as they should, I never got a MAf code, just ECU and TCU not talking and car running lean which those codes came and went a few times. Im not sure how else one would find out what was wrong with the car. The car bucked in a turn, which is why I started troubleshooting and dont see any other way to find and fix other than throwing expensive parts at it.

[ttboost]

I wasn't suggesting that your MAF's were not your problem, I was just responding to your post above (#230) in which you declared you were still driving the car hard; "Funny, the car runs much better at half throttle than if I pin it." I was just saying that you should never "pin it" once you know your MAF's are BAD. Unfortunately, bad MAF's usually don't throw a code, but when the car starts driving like crap and hesitating, etc...that is usually a sign, so I think you are barking up the correct tree. Your MAF's are the only thing telling your ECU how much fuel to provide under boost...

[LaserSVT]

The trans computer arrived yesterday as did the programmer. Programmer comes unprogramed and you have to pull your stock file off the car and email it to them and then they send you your new files. When I went to do this the machine said "Stock File Not Found" and if it wanted me to copy what was in it so I did. So I guess the car has some kind of mild tune in it. Meh. Took the car for a drive with the new TCM and it does shift a whole lot better. In D when slowly cruising it would hold gears for way too long but now its much more cruise friendly and the shifts are smoother. In S its completely different. Holds gears much higher and the shifts are impressively quick. Even in manual mode it responds faster. So over all I really like the trans tune and hope they do well with the main tune.

Just added some music to the old iPod and decided to take the beast out for a cruise. Was nice just driving it mellow and not looking for something to beat up on. Car always brings a huge smile to my face when I drive it.

[DHall1]

All I want for Christmas is a data log

Duramax in the shop.....stupid piss water system. 13 Vette as my replacement. Ugggh pos

[LaserSVT]

Yeah those cat piss systems are just stupid. All I want is a data log as well but something always screws it up. Ive almost given up. I know the car had a non stock crap tune in it. I loaded the new tune anyway. They sent me 3 and I haven't tried the hot tune yet but it gets strapped to the dyno again tomorrow to see how the pump gas tune does. All I have been able to do is monitor boost and lambda with the gauge and my Matco scanner I have read pump DC in real time and MAF counts to make sure they were not maxing. With this minimal equipment all systems seem good. Car even puts a little soot on the tail pipes now. I dont mind it running a bit rich with the extra boost.
Tune is set for 17.5psi and to tapper to 13ish by redline and it does. I have gotten a couple 19psi spikes but that was due to a 3/4 throttle acceleration and then letting off. My diverter valves are a tad slow.
My brother said he got me the only thing I asked for for Christmas. For 3 months its all I hinted at so I hope thats what it is. LOL

And Corvettes are great! As long as you just want to go fast and dont mind plastic. :D

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[LaserSVT]

Went back to my trusty dyno shop today to see where the car is at now and I am much happier save for a couple small things. He could only make the pulls from 4600ish + or the car would still downshift. The new trans tune will allow me to bounce it off the limiter (once, by accident and at half throttle) but will still downshift if it wants to. Gonna see if there is a way to correct that on Monday.
At any rate the car is now at 11.8 AFR under WOT and holds it all the way to redline. Car sounded very healthy for all 5 runs but by the 5th run heat soak crept in and it lost 25hp. But she made 443.3 whp and 461.8 wtq. :)

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They did have an interesting 350z making over 1000 RWHP!

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[lswing]

Dynojet? How are you possibly shifting gears? 3rd gear Tip, closest 1:1 ratio basically, 30-100 mph all day, dyno or not. You sure the trans isn't slipping? It will soon with this much power, be careful...

[LaserSVT]

Positive its downshifting. I have watched it do it many times racing in Mexico. I watched it do it on the dyno as i was standing by the door watching the PLX and saw the car select 3rd. Didnt know about the button on the throttle pedal that you can unhook to keep it from downshifting. Trans tune is fairly aggressive. It shifts very fast now and watching it downshift on the dyno scared me because she tried to jump off.

034 Motorsport is new in the TCU game so there may be some bugs. Thats why I am going to call them Monday.

[marklar182]

Did you have it in Tip mode? Thats the best way to dyno, take it up to 3rd with the paddles then floor it. A good TCU tune will not downshift in Tip mode. It will downshift in normal D and S modes.

[ttboost]

Correct, in Tiptronic mode, it should only shift when commanded, with paddles or shift lever. In "Tip", select 3rd, gear, about 20-30mph, and ease it to the floor. Kick down switch should do nothing in "Tip".

[LaserSVT]

Dunno what to tell ya. It did it with the old TCU and does it with the new one as well.

[DHall1]

So it was running lean.

What were pre dyno numbers


[QUOTE=LaserSVT;279736]Went back to my trusty dyno shop today to see where the car is at now and I am much happier save for a couple small things. He could only make the pulls from 4600ish + or the car would still downshift. The new trans tune will allow me to bounce it off the limiter (once, by accident and at half throttle) but will still downshift if it wants to. Gonna see if there is a way to correct that on Monday.
At any rate the car is now at 11.8 AFR under WOT and holds it all the way to redline. Car sounded very healthy for all 5 runs but by the 5th run heat soak crept in and it lost 25hp. But she made 443.3 whp and TE]

[LaserSVT]

336.5 whp and I just noticed torque is not on the chart. It was running lean at 13.5 and tapering to 13.1 near redline. Whoever tuned it before needs to be smacked.

[DHall1]

You had a 377 on a run?? With that old tune??

[LaserSVT]

Yeah. I think one did a 376 and then 388 but the 326ish was repeated a couple times so thats what we went with. Not sure if the first runs were due to downshifting or what. Old tune was all over the place. I had even noticed when running the car that it would randomly have more get up and go. The new tune I have been running for almost two weeks and the car always behaves the same now. It also gets much better mileage in town. Car used to do 12MPG and now does 15. Highway seems to be a bit less though as it was 21.7 and now its 20.2 after 140 miles of 80MPH driving and about 10 miles being in stop and go traffic.

[lswing]

Just to clarify, Tip mode or not? You need to be in 3rd gear for the Dyno numbers to be accurate, or ballpark, who really knows how the thing is calibrated. Yes, in auto when under heavy load it will downshift, as it should. My problem was actually up shifting due to trans slipping I think. Or you are hitting the kick down switch, but you can get 100% WOT at only 3/4 of the gas pedal depressed. Be careful with this thing man! It's no fun replacing the tran$...

[ttboost]

Be careful with this thing man! It's no fun replacing the tran$...

It is if you're not putting the original one back in!!!

[LaserSVT]

Just to clarify, Tip mode or not? You need to be in 3rd gear for the Dyno numbers to be accurate, or ballpark, who really knows how the thing is calibrated. Yes, in auto when under heavy load it will downshift, as it should. My problem was actually up shifting due to trans slipping I think. Or you are hitting the kick down switch, but you can get 100% WOT at only 3/4 of the gas pedal depressed. Be careful with this thing man! It's no fun replacing the tran$...
It was in tip. And why would 3rd be accurate? Thats not the 1:1 ratio gear. You always pull in the 1:1 gear.