RS6 for sale!!!!! Build it to your liking.....

[ColoradoRS]

Selling my RS6. It's got a EUrodyne tune. I've got upgraded intercoolers that I can sell with it that I haven't installed yet. I also own an audi tuning shop and can build the RS6 to whatever you'd like. I've currently got two rs6's in the shop that are being converted to manual transmissions and they're getting upgraded turbos. One of them will produce about 650whp on 91 octane and be capable of 800whp on race gas or e85. If you buy my RS6 I will give you a discount on labor. My car has ALL the maintenance records since 30k miles when it came off lease. It had the tranny replaced at 70k. It's got the passport 9500CI radar detector built in ($1800). I just put new brakes on it. OEM rotors and EBC yellow stuff pads ($1500). I also just put new tires on it (bridgestone summer tires). Email me for any other info needed.

[lswing]

This will be moved to the For Sale section soon, just a heads up. It's located at Forum > Audi > FS.

I would really prefer that you not make HP claims until they can be backed up by a dyno, thanks! These are estimates, and until it's done and on paper from a specific car, personally I would feel like I'm not telling the truth if I were saying the same thing.

[Bigglezworth]

650whp hey.... Let's see. 18-20% drivetrain loss on an AWD car so that's - 810hp?? And then 800whp (1000hp) on race gas?? Sorry, but simply impossible to believe claims of this type. If you can prove me wrong with timeslips or dyno's, that would be great for all reading this thread. Sorry, not trying to shit on your parade, but I'm highly confident in saying that no one on this board would believe you're pushing a 4300lb car down the 1/4 mile in low to mid 10's based on the power levels you're citing.

[ttboost]

Amusing...with stock manifiolds, you'll win the lottery before you break 550whp, let alone 650...but I guess you can make any dyno, make any number you want. With actual headers and upgraded turbos, it's possible you could it 600whp...but don't count on it. But good luck and keep us posted. I'd be glad to eat my words...there is a reason I sold my manual RS6...

[ColoradoRS]

I'm more than happy to show you guys once it's built. We plan on dynoing the cars once they're done. Just because others have failed to make big HP what makes you so sure we won't.... I'll keep you posted ttboost. These cars will not be seeing the drag strip. The 01e is not robust enough to handle the torque we're going to be making, especially on launches. I'm just hoping that the 01e stays together with just street driving much less track time.

[ColoradoRS]

Amusing...with stock manifiolds, you'll win the lottery before you break 550whp, let alone 650...but I guess you can make any dyno, make any number you want. With actual headers and upgraded turbos, it's possible you could it 600whp...but don't count on it. But good luck and keep us posted. I'd be glad to eat my words...there is a reason I sold my manual RS6...


What turbos were you running?

[Dmb408]

http://reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/popcorn_stephen_colbert.gif
(although i love the effort in tuning the car and the love for the car generally)

[ttboost]

What turbos were you running?

Stock turbos and stock manifolds. With 2 different file strategies, we never broke 500whp. 470's 480's is the best we could muster on a Mustang dyno where I made 317 stock. Never made it back to the track, but with a 4000+ car, at 475-500whp, you trap 120ish...give or take, with 600-650 wheel, you trap low to mid 130's. Stock manifolds and stock turbine housings are 100% the problem. I will all but guarantee you will not get close to that goal with stock parts. Way too many people have tried. I thought for sure I could do it with an 01E, but nope...That's why I have a CTS-V now...miss my RS6, but to get to the power level I am at now with the V, would cost a fortune and turn a RS6 into a full time hobby...and forget about reliability. Great car, and fun to drive with a stick, but not if you are looking to make a HP beast. I hope you prove us wrong.

[ColoradoRS]

Stock turbos and stock manifolds. With 2 different file strategies, we never broke 500whp. 470's 480's is the best we could muster on a Mustang dyno where I made 317 stock. Never made it back to the track, but with a 4000+ car, at 475-500whp, you trap 120ish...give or take, with 600-650 wheel, you trap low to mid 130's. Stock manifolds and stock turbine housings are 100% the problem. I will all but guarantee you will not get close to that goal with stock parts. Way too many people have tried. I thought for sure I could do it with an 01E, but nope...That's why I have a CTS-V now...miss my RS6, but to get to the power level I am at now with the V, would cost a fortune and turn a RS6 into a full time hobby...and forget about reliability. Great car, and fun to drive with a stick, but not if you are looking to make a HP beast. I hope you prove us wrong.

That's your problem, you ran stock turbos. I'm running turbos that are much bigger! I know that you can make north of 550whp on stock manifolds. I have a friend that made just shy of 600whp on his last setup that was on stock manifolds. Will the stock manifolds decrease power slightly, yes, but, they will help with spool up. If the stock manifolds end up keeping us from 650whp on pump gas, we'll probably go back in and throw custom manifolds on, but I doubt that's going to happen. The turbos that we're putting on are new and have never been run on an RS6. On a 3.6 liter engine and they made 810whp. I don't throw around HP claims wantonly. I build cars for a living. Like I said, I'll post the dyno results once we're done with the big turbo build.

[ttboost]

To be fair, you said "upgraded" turbos, which implies you are using "massaged" stock turbos. NEW turbos are very different story. Many have had success with NEW turbos, although you might have to be creative to fit them in there, especially with headers. When I had my engine out, I had every intention of doing turbos and possibly headers. I bailed. You will certainly get much closer to your goal with new turbos....but I will tell you, if you want to reach your goal, just do the headers now...When you see the terrible bends and tiny holes going into the turbo, you'll understand...I'm sure you've seen them already. Do a search here..it has been done...

[Dmb408]

Was the 3.6liter engine the CTS VSport? Just curious.

[ColoradoRS]

To be fair, you said "upgraded" turbos, which implies you are using "massaged" stock turbos. NEW turbos are very different story. Many have had success with NEW turbos, although you might have to be creative to fit them in there, especially with headers. When I had my engine out, I had every intention of doing turbos and possibly headers. I bailed. You will certainly get much closer to your goal with new turbos....but I will tell you, if you want to reach your goal, just do the headers now...When you see the terrible bends and tiny holes going into the turbo, you'll understand...I'm sure you've seen them already. Do a search here..it has been done...


LOL I think everyone that read my post jumped to conclusions too quick. The main reason is that no one has made a good set of turbos that actually make power on these cars until now. Yes, the fit will be tricky but they should fit the stock headers. The exhaust housing is much bigger than the stock ones but it's still not as big as most of the big turbos that people have gone with. Both of the rs6's that I've currently got in my shop are getting manual transmissions so I'll have a lot more space to work with on them. One of the biggest choke points on the rs6 are the turbo inlets. Those things are tiny! I'm going to probably end up making new inlets for the car getting the bigger turbos and also will be putting bigger maf sensors on with custom intakes.

[ttboost]

We didn't jump to any conclusions, we just read what you wrote!!! Anyhow, I do wish you luck on getting to your goals. I would love to see it. I always say, keep your expectations low, that way you'll never be disappointed...good luck again and keep us posted...even if you fail....a little "I told you so", never hurt anyone (and yes, I know, it goes both ways).

[ColoradoRS]

Upgrade, in the tuning world means bigger. I didn't say I was running rs6 hybrids or I didn't say anything about the turbos except that they were going to be upgraded. Anyway, you all made me laugh. Like I said, I do this for a living so I'm able to get my guesstimates closer than most. I wouldn't have thrown those numbers out there if I didn't have an idea of what these turbos have done on previous cars. I think everyone is going to be surprised. The exhaust manifolds are smaller than what I'd like but audi doesn't build junk from the factory so I know that they're not going to be awful to deal with. We won't be pushing the car with the bigger turbos near the limit of the turbos. Anyway, it's going to be a fun build! I can't wait! I'll be getting all the parts in shortly.

[ben916]

Not to poo-poo on your parade, BUT..

The only street legal C5 RS6 that have made over 500hp are the one's that are in the UK and specifically at Unit20/MRC.
The owners are spending an "S" ton of cash for:
New Turbos,
New Transmission,
New ECU tune,
New fueling (pumps, lines, double rails, return lines, injectors).

Then there is those unicorns -> RS600 and the Clubsport...

Good Luck to you!

PS: to be devil's advocate -> how does Gumpert Apollo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumpert_Apollo)do it???

[ColoradoRS]

Not to poo-poo on your parade, BUT..

The only street legal C5 RS6 that have made over 500hp are the one's that are in the UK and specifically at Unit20/MRC.
The owners are spending an "S" ton of cash for:
New Turbos,
New Transmission,
New ECU tune,
New fueling (pumps, lines, double rails, return lines, injectors).

Then there is those unicorns -> RS600 and the Clubsport...

Good Luck to you!

PS: to be devil's advocate -> how does Gumpert Apollo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumpert_Apollo)do it???

You are correct sir. We are upgrading all those components. Everyone on this forum is so damn negative! Yes, the owners of the RS cars are spending a ton of money to have them built and make big HP. They WILL end up making impressive numbers. Just because not too many people have thrown big turbos at these cars and done all the supporting mods, It DOESN'T mean that it can't be done. If you guys want to tell me of some people that couldn't make it over 500whp, tell me their mods and I'll tell you why they didn't make more power than 500. This is a big engine and is very capable of making good HP! Are there a few choke points? Yes, but with the right upgrades you can make any engine push big HP.

[Bigglezworth]

My gawd this is a funny thread. I've hot linked it just for fun.

Good on ya for having so much enthusiasm. You're not the first and you certainly won't be the last.... Clearly you and/or your clients hate their wallets. I would love to be the fly on the wall when you come to the realization that the road block is NOT the engine.... lol The BCY engine can - will - and has - created 800hp in the Gumpert and more in other 'Unicorns' as Ben puts it. ALL of these examples are NOT in a C5 chassis though. Not a one...

Considerations for cooling, oiling (dry sump like the Gumpert), and intake configuration must also be considered vs. just headers, turbos, and fuel management. It's been mentioned on the restrictions with headers and K04's, but tossing both out with custom eliminates that. Now you will need custom to get that new compressed charge back up to the front for intercooling. Then you will be modifying OEM locations for intercoolers unless you desire the gawdy FMIC set-up which ruins the entire look of these rides. THEN if you get that far, you now have to consider the restrictions of the Y-pipe, the size of the throttle body that you're pushing all that air through, custom intake because it won't accept a larger throttle body, custom injector rail, and then head work to address the additional airflow from larger turbos.....

Again - ALL inside a 4 door family sedan.... Why? Not my worry. $$hit load of money. Absolutely. Have fun.

[ttboost]

Listen, we're not laughing at you in anyway...at least I'm not. Tim....maybe... You just have to understand we've seen a lot of these threads started and then ...crickets...never to be heard from again. I truly hope you guys get where you want to be ...and share with the community on how much R&D and $$$ it takes to get there. Please keep track of all your time, including any fabrication time, mock up, etc...

[ttboost]

My gawd this is a funny thread. I've hot linked it just for fun.

Good on ya for having so much enthusiasm. You're not the first and you certainly won't be the last.... Clearly you and/or your clients hate their wallets. I would love to be the fly on the wall when you come to the realization that the road block is NOT the engine.... lol The BCY engine can - will - and has - created 800hp in the Gumpert and more in other 'Unicorns' as Ben puts it. ALL of these examples are NOT in a C5 chassis though. Not a one...

Considerations for cooling, oiling (dry sump like the Gumpert), and intake configuration must also be considered vs. just headers, turbos, and fuel management. It's been mentioned on the restrictions with headers and K04's, but tossing both out with custom eliminates that. Now you will need custom to get that new compressed charge back up to the front for intercooling. Then you will be modifying OEM locations for intercoolers unless you desire the gawdy FMIC set-up which ruins the entire look of these rides. THEN if you get that far, you now have to consider the restrictions of the Y-pipe, the size of the throttle body that you're pushing all that air through, custom intake because it won't accept a larger throttle body, custom injector rail, and then head work to address the additional airflow from larger turbos.....

Again - ALL inside a 4 door family sedan.... Why? Not my worry. $$hit load of money. Absolutely. Have fun.


This is why I dumped my RS6 and eventually jumped into CTS-V. As an old man, I prefer the 4 doors now...and with 2 pulleys, a cam, injectors and an intake, I'm at 650+ whp, with room to grow if needed...oh yeah...less than $6k with my labor at home, to pick up 200rwhp...

[lswing]

Everyone on this forum is so damn negative!

I don't think any of it's meant to be negative; it's meant to be a realistic opinion. Personally, when someone makes HP claims that are not proven, and asks for money to make these claims happen, I feel it's false advertising. That's my qualm with that. I would hope that you would be more up front with the challenges and costs ~$15-20k+ that it could run someone.

To add to it, regardless of your level of mechanical knowledge or skill, the way you've been presenting the power figures and upgrades are as if it's easy, simple, a walk in the park; and that others on here that have experience with these cars don't have an idea of what they have dealt with. Just saying it comes off that way, not trying to be negative at all. I appreciate your positive approach to the criticism and ideas being put forth by others.

The cost of so many of the other associated parts, along with the labor and general upkeep, make this a very prohibitive blueprint to build for these power numbers, and be able to maintain it, without dropping serious cash. With an excellent mechanic who worked very efficiently at $75 per hour, I was still able to get close to $20k parts and labor over three years with just lightly modifying my car.

OK, enough of that, looking forward to what you create here...I just want to see the final invoice:)

[ttboost]

To be fair....he didn't say it would affordable...:fastm:

[Corbett]

Amusing...with stock manifiolds, you'll win the lottery before you break 550whp, let alone 650...but I guess you can make any dyno, make any number you want. With actual headers and upgraded turbos, it's possible you could it 600whp...but don't count on it. But good luck and keep us posted. I'd be glad to eat my words...there is a reason I sold my manual RS6...

Dumbest post I've read this year.

[lswing]

Dumbest post I've read this year.

Real helpful input there...aren't you running E85 with good results? What were you able to hit on a dyno, Mustang or DJ?

[lswing]

Dumbest post I've read this year.

Actually, you just one-upped him:brag:

[Corbett]

Real helpful input there...aren't you running E85 with good results? What were you able to hit on a dyno, Mustang or DJ?


Lol. Wish I could have dynoed it. Car had issues do to poor tuning of e85. Car ripped till 5500 then fell on its face. Tuner had afrs wrong and wouldn't listen to me. I was referring more to the stock manifolds. Stock 2.7 manifolds can flow over 700whp. Rs6 manis are even tubular and slightly larger I don't see why anyone would have issues putting down 700+ on stock manifolds. Still not sure what I'm doing with the rebuild but o hope to use stock manifolds and just throw s large turbo on them. Really not sure yet.

[ColoradoRS]

Listen, we're not laughing at you in anyway...at least I'm not. Tim....maybe... You just have to understand we've seen a lot of these threads started and then ...crickets...never to be heard from again. I truly hope you guys get where you want to be ...and share with the community on how much R&D and $$$ it takes to get there. Please keep track of all your time, including any fabrication time, mock up, etc...


I'm not discouraged at all! I know that this engine is very capable of making good HP. Where almost everyone fails is the turbos that they put in and the heat. I've got both of those areas covered. Like i said, I'm going to run the stock headers to begin with and see where that gets us. I'll keep everyone posted. I promise there won't be crickets ;-)

[PCMacDr]

I'll keep everyone posted. I promise there won't be crickets ;-)

I for one look forward to your progress

[lswing]

You went crickets on this other thread...just saying.

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/31761-1000hp-c5-rs6/page6

[ColoradoRS]

Iswing... I didn't go crickets. I told everyone that I was going another route.,.,,, Which happens to be this build. Just because I've been silent, It doesn't mean that I haven't still had things in the works. These are very costly builds and they take TIME! It's not like I'm building eagle talons. I've been waiting on the new parts to obe manufactured..... Just saying...

[ColoradoRS]

I wish I could upload some pictures. The s4 manifolds are MUCH smaller than the rs6 manifolds yet people have made well over 600whp on those manifolds.

[Fastguy]

I have both manifolds sitting in the garage if you'd like me to post up some pics this weekend. I am hoping for 550 whp...with the list of mods in my build thread.

edit....shit; I'm half tempted to go out and pull the 2.7 manifolds off the block now...you've peaked my curiosity.

[Fastguy]

here we go:

2.7 port attached to head = 1.242"
16474
4.2 port attached to head = 1.359"
16475
2.7 flange to turbo = 1.2"
16476
4.2 Flange to turbo = 1.353"
16477

side by side

16478

[ColoradoRS]

here we go:

2.7 port attached to head = 1.242"
16474
4.2 port attached to head = 1.359"
16475
2.7 flange to turbo = 1.2"
16476
4.2 Flange to turbo = 1.353"
16477

side by side

16478


Thanks for posting those up! The RS6 has a pretty big difference! Can't wait to not break 550whp because of the manifolds LOL

[Fastguy]

haha....me too. There is an all wheel dyno about 10 miles from me. I'm going to get it there when all done.

[Corbett]

here we go:

2.7 port attached to head = 1.242"
16474
4.2 port attached to head = 1.359"
16475
2.7 flange to turbo = 1.2"
16476
4.2 Flange to turbo = 1.353"
16477

side by side

16478

exsctly! Thank you

[ddillenger]

While I agree the manifolds ARE a restriction, I think it's more in the turbine. Years ago people said the 2.7t could never hit xxx because of yyy. All of those "limitations" have been surpassed. The RS6 is finally trickling down into the hands of the tuner crowd. I think in the near future you'll see budget builds shattering all sorts of misconceptions. My car is one of the ones at Brett's. I love my wallet, and although I have no illusions about being the fastest car in the world, I have no doubts It'll be one of the fastest C5's in the country when it's done :)

[4everRS]

Colorado and Corbett (and others), I think the negativity in this thread really goes to the extensive history in this forum about those who were going to build big hp cars and NEVER follow through. They don't update the threads with results, likely because they didn't get to the power they claimed they would. Count me in that group of skeptics.

Prove us wrong.

Please

[Bigglezworth]

While I agree the manifolds ARE a restriction, I think it's more in the turbine. Years ago people said the 2.7t could never hit xxx because of yyy. All of those "limitations" have been surpassed. The RS6 is finally trickling down into the hands of the tuner crowd. I think in the near future you'll see budget builds shattering all sorts of misconceptions. My car is one of the ones at Brett's. I love my wallet, and although I have no illusions about being the fastest car in the world, I have no doubts It'll be one of the fastest C5's in the country when it's done :)Clearly you're a ways away from being able to support this, but time slips talk. Until you're surpassing 11.5 in the 1/4 you're not the fastest. I know of no C5 RS6 in North America that has run quicker than this. I don't think Corbett's Sportec is that fast even, but I could be mistaken. There are documented runs of 11.7 for these cars. Would be nice to see someone get in to the low 11's to keep up with the APR RS7 beast that is now a reality. Sub 11 though? What are the Vegas odds on this??? lol

Have fun.

[ddillenger]

Clearly you're a ways away from being able to support this, but time slips talk. Until you're surpassing 11.5 in the 1/4 you're not the fastest. I know of no C5 RS6 in North America that has run quicker than this. I don't think Corbett's Sportec is that fast even, but I could be mistaken. There are documented runs of 11.7 for these cars. Would be nice to see someone get in to the low 11's to keep up with the APR RS7 beast that is now a reality. Sub 11 though? What are the Vegas odds on this??? lol

Have fun.

I'm not even slightly interested in 1/4 mile times. I'd venture to say my car will never see the track. I will however have it on the dyno during tuning.

[Corbett]

Colorado and Corbett (and others), I think the negativity in this thread really goes to the extensive history in this forum about those who were going to build big hp cars and NEVER follow through. They don't update the threads with results, likely because they didn't get to the power they claimed they would. Count me in that group of skeptics.

Prove us wrong.

Please

Best I can do for you for now. My car on e85. Stock manifolds. Never dynoed or went to track on e85, sorry.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9xB6tQ2Qo4

[4everRS]

That looks very fast Corbett.

[lswing]

I'm not even slightly interested in 1/4 mile times. I'd venture to say my car will never see the track. I will however have it on the dyno during tuning.

I'm assuming he's reference 1/4 miles times since you were stating that your car would be one of the fastest...the more money the more speed you will get usually.

I'm venturing that you got the car recently? Have you dealt with some of the random/small repairs that can be expensive both part and labor wise? This is a much different platform compared to the 2.7T, and both parts and labor time can easily be doubled. Sounds like you have a good mechanic who works for a good price though as that makes all the difference. Hope the build goes well, and hope the labor and parts don't get too crazy expensive. Plenty of mixed reviews on how these drive once switched over to manual; some really have trouble with the 1-2 gearing, and others still have clutch/reliability issues once the power gets above 600+. Then you get into driveability...is it really a good daily car or does it get shelved for high performance weekends.

I'll take my comfy slush box with 500+HP/TQ, but each to their own! <---This costs me enough $$$ already!

[lswing]

Best I can do for you for now. My car on e85. Stock manifolds.]

Wait, your car runs :lovl: ...sorry, had to! Would be great to see some numbers one of these days.

[Bigglezworth]

I'm not even slightly interested in 1/4 mile times. I'd venture to say my car will never see the track. I will however have it on the dyno during tuning.
Really? You did say, "
...I have no doubts It'll be one of the fastest C5's in the country when it's done....
Now you go on to state that you'll be dyno tuning.

Time to get your head out of the sand. EVERYONE that races and builds cars well knows that 'dyno tuning' is just that - tuning. You can obtain different results on two different dynos built by the same company much less what occurs when compare the results of the same car on two different manufacturers machines. The numbers presented do nothing to guarantee or compare your car with the next. The same machine provides a starting point and as you modify you can then determine if you're heading in the correct route to improve power outpur or the opposite by hindering it. None of this equates to true performance however that would permit you to lay claim to having "one of the fastest in the country". Again real world performance is easily judged by times over a set distance. You don't have to be a regular racer to confirm this, but you do need to do it in a controlled environment and the likes of 1/4 mile strips or 1 mile strips are where it all occurs. Full package deal that accounts for power of engine, weight of vehicle, and traction efficiencies. All of those being simple laws of physics.

[ColoradoRS]

Daz Dillengers car is currently under the knife. We're not dumping tons of money into it. The results of his car will be a very affordable build. All I'm waiting on for his car are the new turbos, intercoolers and downpipes. We've got everything else, from the manual tranny conversion kit to the 800tq rated clutch. As soon as the other parts get here, (which should be any day now) It will be put back together. Yes, if you want everyone else to agree with you that your car is the fastest in the US it helps to have time slips from the quarter mile. Daz I'm sure would be willing to post up fats times though. Daz is one of the best tuners for the Audi/VW platforms so I'm sure we're going to see some wicked numbers from his car.

On the other hand, the rs6 that's getting built after his car is getting much bigger turbos. I'm a little worried about being the first to use these turbos because i'm the guinea pig and will have to figure out the best way to make them fit. Once they're on though, you guys are all going to be very surprised on the numbers they put down. This car may or may not see the track too. But it will be dynoed at the Boost Creep. Their dyno is very accurate. I don't know how much you guys follow the subaru scene or if anyone here had ever seen the crazy b5 rs4 avant that Autosports Werks built (it was in a few magazines and put down 700whp) but Tons of cars have been dynoed at the Boost Creep and you never hear that their dyno is off by any amount.

Expect to see Daz Dillengers car running within the month.

[Other_Erik]

I've stayed out of the discussion long enough, especially considering my relative novice status compared to some of the more established guys here.

Let me know how it performs in some real-world tests
Grab your dyno charts
Post up 1/4mile slips

pics and vids, or it didn't happen.

I'm not gonna be a smartass about it, I don't doubt that the RS _can_ be built for #00 HP and X00 TQ, but there's also the questions of "Is it daily driveable?" "Is it supportable?" and "How many more RS6's could I have bought with the cash plopped for this?" - until all the info is out, there's gonna be haters on one side and dreamers on the other.

Wake me up when you can take it up and back down Pike's Peak Hill Climb without needing $1k in maintenance afterwards.

Not bashing the OP, not bashing the nay-sayers, just saying that evidence talks and speculation walks...

O_E

[Fastguy]

I am hoping mine will be done at the same time Daz's is completed. We are essentially doing the same build except he has a few components up on me like fueling....oh, and the ability to tune like no one else.

[s8prtotype]

I'm officially Daz tuned, he can do everything you need to do remotely for the best price anywhere. Hit him up. Logs coming as soon as we both have some time :)

[hahnmgh63]

Until we can get all of the top cars together for a Dyno day on the same Dyno like the one on the East coast 5yrs back or so comparisons will be almost impossible. Although like Biz said, 1/4mile times would be a way to really compare and I would 1/4mile my car as it sits but once I finish the 6sp conversion I won't 1/4mile my car (don't want to do clutch drop, drivetrain strain on the manual) even though it will be faster (100# lighter, adding Water/Meth, custom on dyno tune from AMD). These threads are always interesting and like 4everRS, some of us have been here for a long time (10yrs?) and we've seen a lot of threads come and go but a couple have turned out and were always watching. Corbett, your car does look fast, makes me want to go out on this cool morning and see if mine accelerates similar :)

[ColoradoRS]

Until we can get all of the top cars together for a Dyno day on the same Dyno like the one on the East coast 5yrs back or so comparisons will be almost impossible. Although like Biz said, 1/4mile times would be a way to really compare and I would 1/4mile my car as it sits but once I finish the 6sp conversion I won't 1/4mile my car (don't want to do clutch drop, drivetrain strain on the manual) even though it will be faster (100# lighter, adding Water/Meth, custom on dyno tune from AMD). These threads are always interesting and like 4everRS, some of us have been here for a long time (10yrs?) and we've seen a lot of threads come and go but a couple have turned out and were always watching. Corbett, your car does look fast, makes me want to go out on this cool morning and see if mine accelerates similar :)

Yeah, I too would love to bring both of these cars to the 1/4 mile but the fear of doing so is that the 01E will grenade. These cars make a TON more torque than the s4 and the 01E is NOT made robust enough to be launching it. Also, This isn't an excuse, just a fact, I'm in a very high elevation city where the cars lose a lot of time in the 1/4 mile because of the air so even if we do end up going to the 1/4 mile, the cars at sea level have a huge advantage. I will post up logs so everyone can see the fats that this car pulls. I won't be doing any pulls on Daz Dillengers car because I'm sure he wants to tune his after it gets shipped down to his house at sea level. Fats are a very good indication on what type of power a car puts down when comparing exact drivetrain and weight setups. The bigger turbo rs6 that I'm building will not have any weight reduction. It's just going to have big turbos and a manual drivetrain along with supporting mods. We're going to see if the stock fuel system is capable of running these turbos on pump gas. I think I already mentioned this but we won't be pushing this car past 650whp. If we hit 650whp, we're going to stop. All the data I have on hand says that these turbos we're putting on will push around 650whp on pump gas. If we end up hitting a little below that we'll have the choice of running e85 or race gas to improve the HP. I don't really want to run e85 because it's definitely going to require a lot more done to the fueling system being that you have to push a lot more fuel into the cylinders. The customer has already dropped a ton of cash and wants to see where we end up at this point.


By the way, this thread has been great but I have yet to get any offers on my car lol. Hit me up if you're interested....


I also got a call from a guy that is going to have a built manual tranny so if I end up building his car, he may end up bringing it to the 1/4 mile. If he does, I'll let you guys know.

[Del Stator]

I personally have a bit of a hard time with the negativity. How many times can the same people same the same thing at any chance they get. You guys have made your point. Thank you for watching out for others and their money. But my annoyance is really just my own personal problem in the end..

I will tell you that with recent conversations I have had with some different people...as in not the usual list of name....EPL, AMD...etc, etc... I feel the sparks of new energy coursing through this forum. Plus these people will actually answer the phone and return phone calls...even texts!! This is a major leap forward having communication with the tuner while building the car...not just setting up a tuning appointment.

I am not saying that what people have done in the past was incorrect or not fully fleshed out. I am saying that the past is not my blueprint for the future.

I certainly have heard the name Daz (ddillenger) dropped on me a lot lately. I am interested in what is going on with the Nefmoto stuff as well. Not that I am going to tune anything myself with it. I will leave that to people that have an aptitude (patience) for that.

I think what is the key to my project is custom headers, no K04 framed anything, bigger MAFs and smart tuning. It seems that the custom headers and turbo being the biggest hurdle....and that isn't that big. After that is all handled we should make some nice power.

Brett I am not interested in buying your car...but seems we are going to be working towards similar goals...and maybe working together directly.

GLWS

PS. I feel like people think that no communication on this forum means that the project is not moving forward. I find it an unpleasant experience on this forum to have an ongoing build thread like I have done on other projects on other forums. Plus other issues like things taking unbelievable amount of time to get parts....one year on a custom gear set is absurd. But that is a rant for another time.
I am at the mercy of shops that are not as motivated with my car's progress as I am....I am being kind in that statement....but it seems to be part of the game or I just have horrible luck... The upshot is this is not a tuner friendly forum as I see it. It is more like, "I didn't make it work to my hopes so you have no chance.....and by the way good luck." All the while I am doing things in my build different than yours so what is the point in that circle conversation??

[ColoradoRS]

I personally have a bit of a hard time with the negativity. How many times can the same people same the same thing at any chance they get. You guys have made your point. Thank you for watching out for others and their money. But my annoyance is really just my own personal problem in the end..

I will tell you that with recent conversations I have had with some different people...as in not the usual list of name....EPL, AMD...etc, etc... I feel the sparks of new energy coursing through this forum. Plus these people will actually answer the phone and return phone calls...even texts!! This is a major leap forward having communication with the tuner while building the car...not just setting up a tuning appointment.

I am not saying that what people have done in the past was incorrect or not fully fleshed out. I am saying that the past is not my blueprint for the future.

I certainly have heard the name Daz (ddillenger) dropped on me a lot lately. I am interested in what is going on with the Nefmoto stuff as well. Not that I am going to tune anything myself with it. I will leave that to people that have an aptitude (patience) for that.

I think what is the key to my project is custom headers, no K04 framed anything, bigger MAFs and smart tuning. It seems that the custom headers and turbo being the biggest hurdle....and that isn't that big. After that is all handled we should make some nice power.

Brett I am not interested in buying your car...but seems we are going to be working towards similar goals...and maybe working together directly.

GLWS

PS. I feels like people think that no communication on this forum means that the project is not moving forward. I find it an unpleasant experience on this forum to have an ongoing build thread like I have done on other projects on other forums. Plus other issues like things taking unbelievable amount of time to get parts....one year on a custom gear set is absurd. But that is a rant for another time.
I am at the mercy of shops that are not as motivated with my car's progress as I am....I am being kind in that statement....but it seems to be part of the game or I just have horrible luck... The upshot is this is not a tuner friendly forum as I see it. It is more like, "I didn't make it work to my hopes so you have no chance.....and by the way good luck." All the while I am doing things in my build different than yours so what is the point in that circle conversation??


I absolutely couldn't agree more with this! Everyone keeps putting on small turbos and expects big results.

[Bigglezworth]

I absolutely couldn't agree more with this! Everyone keeps putting on small turbos and expects big results.This is an entirely INACCURATE statement. People install what will fit within the confines of the chassis without blowing their wad trying to reinvent the wheel by developing things from scratch. Again, looking forward to documented facts on getting larger turbos, improved flowing headers, improved compressor piping that clears the frame. Everything is about physical space limitations. Not engine limitations nor transmission/drivetrain limitations. 99% of owners want to maintain some level of sanity and keep things sensible. Both done in support of cost management and time management as you can easily have your car sitting out of commission for a year or more plus spend all of your space cash and time in development and custom work. This results in 99% of the owners utilizing a solution that fits within OEM locations and can be completed with bolt-up configurations.

That said, there has been 1% of the eager beavers out there that just have to go to crazy levels of modification so that they can profess they've "done it". Frequently using a "no cost is to much approach"....

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/26650-Milka-Build-thread?highlight=

[peiserg]

Colorado, what would you expect a stock turbo running E8r to manage? Only asking because i've been contemplating..

I'd ignore the negativity. You're a professional builder, which is more than pretty much anyone else here can claim (though i confess... i don't know what the others do for aliving). I just want to see it DONE!!! If a stock turbo can push 480's as stated earlier, idk why a larger turbo can't push way more...

[lswing]

I personally have a bit of a hard time with the negativity. How many times can the same people same the same thing at any chance they get. You guys have made your point. Thank you for watching out for others and their money. But my annoyance is really just my own personal problem in the end..

I will tell you that with recent conversations I have had with some different people...as in not the usual list of name....EPL, AMD...etc, etc... I feel the sparks of new energy coursing through this forum. Plus these people will actually answer the phone and return phone calls...even texts!! This is a major leap forward having communication with the tuner while building the car...not just setting up a tuning appointment.

I am not saying that what people have done in the past was incorrect or not fully fleshed out. I am saying that the past is not my blueprint for the future.

I certainly have heard the name Daz (ddillenger) dropped on me a lot lately. I am interested in what is going on with the Nefmoto stuff as well. Not that I am going to tune anything myself with it. I will leave that to people that have an aptitude (patience) for that.

I think what is the key to my project is custom headers, no K04 framed anything, bigger MAFs and smart tuning. It seems that the custom headers and turbo being the biggest hurdle....and that isn't that big. After that is all handled we should make some nice power.

Brett I am not interested in buying your car...but seems we are going to be working towards similar goals...and maybe working together directly.

GLWS

PS. I feels like people think that no communication on this forum means that the project is not moving forward. I find it an unpleasant experience on this forum to have an ongoing build thread like I have done on other projects on other forums. Plus other issues like things taking unbelievable amount of time to get parts....one year on a custom gear set is absurd. But that is a rant for another time.
I am at the mercy of shops that are not as motivated with my car's progress as I am....I am being kind in that statement....but it seems to be part of the game or I just have horrible luck... The upshot is this is not a tuner friendly forum as I see it. It is more like, "I didn't make it work to my hopes so you have no chance.....and by the way good luck." All the while I am doing things in my build different than yours so what is the point in that circle conversation??

Ha! I'm at a toss up between your time spent complaining about your build or complaining about the forum:)

The main point, again, is 90% of these build threads end up defunct, don't take it personally. I'm sure anything can be accomplished with enough time, skill, and money.

[Del Stator]

I don't know what happened to Milka's build...?

I will tell you guys that I would not start this build with hind site. This was one of those rare occasions that I didn't fully research my initial purchase. I fooled myself in thinking I would just drive it stock. :doh: I made a completely emotional original purchase. I made wrong assumptions with regards to tuning. Then I had serious mission creep. With the purchase of a house and a remodel underway and my 4 rotor Whipple supercharged RX7 project picking up speed again I am pulling back slightly from my RS6 build. That means not going for 800hp plus....more like I have scaled back to 700+.

But all that being said, I look forward to my RS6 being completed... Now I just need to get a fire under some people. Hell, I can't even get the dude that has my heads and valves to return my calls, email or texts for the last few weeks. Thanks Lee Schwartz of Flowtech.. I have no idea if he is progressing or stalling on me. He seems very "on it" in conversations, then crickets...f*%k that shite..

I think if someone wants bigger power than the typical boltons then stepping into something like what Brett is offering up here is a great way to go.

Brett you might want to just put an actual for sale ad in the for sale section as this thread has become something else all together.

Plus some pictures please..

[ColoradoRS]

I don't know what happened to Milka's build...?

I will tell you guys that I would not start this build with hind site. This was one of those rare occasions that I didn't fully research my initial purchase. I fooled myself in thinking I would just drive it stock. :doh: I made a completely emotional original purchase. I made wrong assumptions with regards to tuning. Then I had serious mission creep. With the purchase of a house and a remodel underway and my 4 rotor Whipple supercharged RX7 project picking up speed again I am pulling back slightly from my RS6 build. That means not going for 800hp plus....more like I have scaled back to 700+.

But all that being said, I look forward to my RS6 being completed... Now I just need to get a fire under some people. Hell, I can't even get the dude that has my heads and valves to return my calls, email or texts for the last few weeks. Thanks Lee Schwartz of Flowtech.. I have no idea if he is progressing or stalling on me. He seems very "on it" in conversations, then crickets...f*%k that shite..

I think if someone wants bigger power than the typical boltons then stepping into something like what Brett is offering up here is a great way to go.

Brett you might want to just put an actual for sale ad in the for sale section as this thread has become something else all together.

Plus some pictures please..


I've got a local guy coming by today for the second time that is most likely going to pull the trigger on buying my car. I've got a guy coming to detail it in the next hour (I've got a german shepherd that loves to shed and get my car dirty). Thanks for the input though! If he doesn't buy it, that's what I'll definitely do!

[ColoradoRS]

This is an entirely INACCURATE statement. People install what will fit within the confines of the chassis without blowing their wad trying to reinvent the wheel by developing things from scratch. Again, looking forward to documented facts on getting larger turbos, improved flowing headers, improved compressor piping that clears the frame. Everything is about physical space limitations. Not engine limitations nor transmission/drivetrain limitations. 99% of owners want to maintain some level of sanity and keep things sensible. Both done in support of cost management and time management as you can easily have your car sitting out of commission for a year or more plus spend all of your space cash and time in development and custom work. This results in 99% of the owners utilizing a solution that fits within OEM locations and can be completed with bolt-up configurations.

That said, there has been 1% of the eager beavers out there that just have to go to crazy levels of modification so that they can profess they've "done it". Frequently using a "no cost is to much approach"....

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/26650-Milka-Build-thread?highlight=


So let me get this straight, I'm completely inaccurate but you go on to state that people only used what would fit the stock headers. Which up to this point has only been small turbos...... So basically you're restating what I said, People put small turbos in..... If I'm wrong on this, please do specify what big turbos were used that had fit the stock manifolds.

[ColoradoRS]

This is an entirely INACCURATE statement. People install what will fit within the confines of the chassis without blowing their wad trying to reinvent the wheel by developing things from scratch. Again, looking forward to documented facts on getting larger turbos, improved flowing headers, improved compressor piping that clears the frame. Everything is about physical space limitations. Not engine limitations nor transmission/drivetrain limitations. 99% of owners want to maintain some level of sanity and keep things sensible. Both done in support of cost management and time management as you can easily have your car sitting out of commission for a year or more plus spend all of your space cash and time in development and custom work. This results in 99% of the owners utilizing a solution that fits within OEM locations and can be completed with bolt-up configurations.

That said, there has been 1% of the eager beavers out there that just have to go to crazy levels of modification so that they can profess they've "done it". Frequently using a "no cost is to much approach"....

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/26650-Milka-Build-thread?highlight=

And yes, I see you put milka's build on there but he did EVERYTHING custom.....

[ddillenger]

For the record, I was being facetious.

However, there are many ways to quantify "fast". Limiting the definition to the quickest person to go down a track is shortsighted, there's a lot of variables involved there.

As for being one of the fastest, Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see too many RS6's running E85 and larger turbos. I'm not here to inflate my ego, or talk big. I'm just saying I'm going to have a blast with the platform, and hope that you'll reserve judgement for a bit :P

[Other_Erik]

For the record, I was being facetious.

However, there are many ways to quantify "fast". Limiting the definition to the quickest person to go down a track is shortsighted, there's a lot of variables involved there.

As for being one of the fastest, Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see too many RS6's running E85 and larger turbos. I'm not here to inflate my ego, or talk big. I'm just saying I'm going to have a blast with the platform, and hope that you'll reserve judgement for a bit :P

Daz

I hope it's everything you want it to be and more. Good on you for taking a leap of faith on this platform, hopefully it'll at least live up to your expectations.

O_E

[ddillenger]

Daz

I hope it's everything you want it to be and more. Good on you for taking a leap of faith on this platform, hopefully it'll at least live up to your expectations.

O_E

Even if it's not, it will be. As a long time C5 owner, I have lusted after the RS forever. To say I am excited to have one would be an understatement. To be in a position where I can get the car exactly how I want it before I even see it is the best part. Historically I DIY this type of stuff. These days I'm just pretty busy, and the car was literally within walking distance of Brett. He's put a ton of time into it, but I am under no illusions here. I mean, I bought a high mile RS6 that would have otherwise been parted out. As a result, I can have a bit of a cavalier attitude about it :)

[lswing]

Should be excellent! Looking forward to hearing about how it all comes together. Certainly something special about the RS6.

[Other_Erik]

Even if it's not, it will be. As a long time C5 owner, I have lusted after the RS forever. To say I am excited to have one would be an understatement. To be in a position where I can get the car exactly how I want it before I even see it is the best part. Historically I DIY this type of stuff. These days I'm just pretty busy, and the car was literally within walking distance of Brett. He's put a ton of time into it, but I am under no illusions here. I mean, I bought a high mile RS6 that would have otherwise been parted out. As a result, I can have a bit of a cavalier attitude about it :)

Agreed! I was 18 when it was first announced that the RS6 would be released in the US, and I watched the car rags for any info regarding it that I could find... Ended up being 10 years after first shipment before I could finally afford one, but couldn't be more pleased with the result (contrary to anything I might say here about how frustrated I am).

Having driven faster (down the track and/or through the twisties) cars, more "luxury"-oriented cars, and everything in between, I have yet to find anything else that makes my pulse race the way the RS6 does. You are going to fall in love with it. I just hope you don't pull the typical "Well, now that it's a manual, I guess I'll have to sell it" that 90% of those who make the switch seem to do. Enjoy it, keep it maintained, and drive it 'til one of you heads to the big garage in the sky.

Erik

PS - when you get tired of the stock head unit, shoot me a PM and I'll put you in touch with the source for RNS-E "factory" nav systems - I can't imagine my car without it, and am still boggled why Audi wouldn't have included at least the RNS-D as an option for the US market...

O_E

[rs6BC]

And here I am trying to sell my rs6 before I come back to CO

[ColoradoRS]

Just an update for everyone. I have Daz's car almost done. As Daz stated, I put enormous amounts of time into it. We put in brand new parts for ALL the weak links, made custom downpipes, custom mid pipes, put hybrid rs6 turbos on, put in big injectors for e85, put the manual tranny in, did timing belt service, valve cover gaskets, changed out the plastic coolant pipe to a metal one, updated the maf seals, deleted secondary radiators, put SRM intercoolers on, and more.... I'm just waiting on the conversion harness and to have daz throw a base tune on it so I can put some miles on it and make sure everything is running the way it should be. When I'm finished I'll post some of the project photos for those interested.

[lswing]

^^^Sounds great! Will be a powerful ride for sure. So you around $8k labor and $15k parts ballpark? Just interested in general numbers for perspective on the costs of these upgrades. Please post more details if you want. Keep us updated and add pics when you can!

[ColoradoRS]

I won't know exact costs on this build because Daz bought most of the parts himself but on the next one i WILL know exact costs. 15k total would be a good estimate though. I put a build quote together the other day for someone interested in my car for just the manual swap and that came out to 8-9k. Doing the turbos, intercoolers, custom downpipes, custom mid pipes, injectors, custom intakes, and more, will cost a bit more in labor and parts obviously but 15k total should be fairly close.

[s8prtotype]

Pics or it didn't happen

[RS8]

This thread I have missed.
Sad that so many always have to be so negative to others builds and what does it matter how much it will cost in the end? it's not your problem..

I'm glad you chose brand new turbo with larger exhaust house and did not choose the SRM K04 you spoke about in the other old thread..

I'm very interested in how much these new larger turbos will cost?
For my turbo's is my limit now to get more power.

Which clutch do you use?

Regarding manifold so do not forget that 4.2L means more volume = more gas per port.
4.2L / 8cyl = 0,525L
2.7L / 6cyl = 0,45L


But I do not think the dimension of each pipe is a big problem,
Instead it's the last piece before the turbo that have a sharp 90 degree bend, and also is compressed that is a big problem for the flow.

Look at my picture on the RS6 manifold, so that is why I have put on custom built manifolds on my engine.

1655016551

[RS8]

And quarter of mile is not the best choice to see how fast this car will be.
First you have the problem that he might break gearbox or driveshafts.


But the biggest problem is that it is very difficult to get a fast start with manual gearbox especially with street tires.


So the best is to test 100-200km/h = 62-124mph (third to fourth gear)
With a performance box you can drive out to the highway and do this test at night.


Here you can compare with other fast cars:

4.2 - Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Super Sport - 1183hp
4.6 - Koenigsegg Agera R - 1130hp
4.8 – Bugatti Veyron - 1001hp
5.0 - Koenigsegg Agera - 953hp
5.5 – Koenigsegg CCX - 806hp
5.7 – Koenigsegg CCR - 806hp
5.8 – Mosler MT900 GTR - 600hp
5.8 - Ferrari F12 - 740hp
5.9 - McLaren 12c - 625hp
6.0 - Porsche 918 - 795hp
6.1 - Mclaren F1 - 635hp
6.1 - Porsche RUF RT12 R - 750hp
6.2 - Pagani Zonda F - 602hp
6.3 - Lamborghini Aventador LP-700 - 700hp
6.3 - Porsche 911 GT2 RS - 620hp
6.4 - Porsche RUF RT12 S - 685hp
6.4 - Porsche Carrera GT - 612hp
6.5 – Pagani Zonda R - 750hp
6.7 - Ferrari Enzo - 651hp
6.8 - Ferrari GTB 599 - 612hp
7.0 - Mercedes SLR 722 - 650hp
7.1 - Corvette ZR1 - 638hp
7.2 - Porsche 991 turbo S 2013 - 552hp
7.2 - Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670 - 670hp
7.2 - Mercedes SLR Stirling Moss - 650hp
7.2 - Mercedes SLS - 563hp
7.2 - Mercedes SLR - 626hp
7.2 - Audi R8 V10 Plus (2013) - 550hp
7.3 - Porsche 911 997 GT2 - 530hp
7.4 - Ferrari 458 spider - 562hp
7.4 - BMW M6 (2012) - 560hp
7.4 - Ferrari FF - 660hp
7.5 - Porsche 911 Turbo S (2011) - 530hp
7.6 - Ferrari F430 Scuderia - 510hp
7.7 - Lexus LFA - 560hp
7.8 - Lamborghini Murcielago - 580hp
7.8 - Nissan GT-R (2012) - 550hp
7.8 - BMW M5 (2012) - 560hp
7.9 - Corvette C6 Z06 - 513hp
7.9 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 - 500hp
7.9 - Porsche 911 Turbo PDK (2010) - 500hp
7.9 - Porsche 991 GT3 - 476hp
8.0 - Ferrari F50 - 520hp
8.0 - Ford GT - 550hp
8.0 - Viper SRT-10 2008 - 612hp
8.4 - Ferrari F430 - 489hp
8.4 - Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera - 530hp
8.4 - Aston DBS - 517hp
8.4 - Porsche 996 GT2 - 460hp
8.4 - Porsche 997 Turbo auto - 480hp
8.6 - Porsche 997 Turbo manual - 480hp
8.6 - BMW M6 V10 - 507hp
8.6 - Jaguar XKR-S - 551hp
8.7 - Mercedes SL65 AMG - 612hp
8.7 - Nissan GT-R 2008 - 480hp
8.7 - Lamborghini Diablo VT - 492hp
8.8 - Audi RS6 V10 - 579hp
8.8 - BMW M5 V10 - 507hp
8.8 - Mercedes C63 AMG Black - 457hp
8.9 - Mercedes S65 AMG (2008) - 612hp
9.0 - Porsche 996TT X50/Turbo 'S' - 450hp
9.0 - Porsche 997 GT3 RS - 415hp
9.1 - Lamborghini Gallardo SE - 519hp
9.1 - Audi S8 (2012) - 520hp
9.4 - Porsche 991 Carrera S - 400hp
9.5 - Bentley Continental Supersport - 630hp
9.6 - Panamera Turbo - 500hp
9.6 - Aston Vantage (2009) 517hp
9.6 - Wiesmann GT MF5 - 507hp
9.6 - Cadillac CTS-V - 564hp
9.7 - Porsche 996 Turbo - 420hp
9.9 - Mercedes E63 AMG -525
10.0 - BMW 760 (2010) - 544hp
10.5 - Audi RS5 - 450hp
10.6 - Audi R8 (2006) - 420hp
10.6 - Cayenne Turbo (2011) - 500hp
10.8 - Porsche 993 turbo - 408hp
10.9 - BMW M3 E92 - 420hp
11.0 - Audi TT RS Plus (2012) - 360hp
11.2 - Aston Vanquish S - 528hp
11.2 - Audi RS4 Avant (2012) - 450hp
11.3 - Audi RS6 -C5 - 450hp
11.6 - Mercedes SLK-55 Black (2006) - 400hp
11.9 - BMW X5 M - 555hp
11.9 - Ferrari F355 - 380hp
12.6 - Ford Mustang Boss 302 LS - 443hp
12.7 - Mercedes ML 63 AMG (2008) - 510hp
13.3 - Audi S5 - 354hp


Dare anyone guess at what time I got when I drove with my old S8 in my sign from 100-200km/h?

[ColoradoRS]

This thread I have missed.
Sad that so many always have to be so negative to others builds and what does it matter how much it will cost in the end? it's not your problem..

I'm glad you chose brand new turbo with larger exhaust house and did not choose the SRM K24 you spoke about in the other old thread..

I'm very interested in how much these new larger turbos will cost?
For my turbo's is my limit now to get more power.

Which clutch do you use?

Regarding manifold so do not forget that 4.2L means more volume = more gas per port.
4.2L / 8cyl = 0,525L
2.7L / 6cyl = 0,45L


But I do not think the dimension of each pipe is a big problem,
Instead it's the last piece before the turbo that have a sharp 90 degree bend, and also is compressed that is a big problem for the flow.

Look at my picture on the RS6 manifold, so that is why I have put on custom built manifolds on my engine.

1655016551

Yeah, the negativity gets real old real quick! I'm almost to the point of not even posting results because all the negative people have annoyed me too much. I know there's people on here that want to see the results that haven't been negative though so I'm still going to post up results when they come in. The larger turbos will cost around 2500. You can buy them directly through me if you'd like. They're not available to the public yet but will be soon. To run them you can run most of the stock components, including the inlets and exhaust manifolds. I think that the inlets are going to be the biggest restriction in these cars. I'm going to be working with Apikol to design a higher flowing set of inlets though. The bend in the exhaust manifolds will slightly hinder performance but I'm going to run the stock manifolds on this next build to show that big HP can be made with them regardless. Thanks for keeping things positive! I'll post up some pics when I get a chance.

[ColoradoRS]

And quarter of mile is not the best choice to see how fast this car will be.
First you have the problem that he might break gearbox or driveshafts.


But the biggest problem is that it is very difficult to get a fast start with manual gearbox especially with street tires.


So the best is to test 100-200km/h = 62-124mph (third to fourth gear)
With a performance box you can drive out to the highway and do this test at night.


Here you can compare with other fast cars:

4.2 - Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Super Sport - 1183hp
4.6 - Koenigsegg Agera R - 1130hp
4.8 – Bugatti Veyron - 1001hp
5.0 - Koenigsegg Agera - 953hp
5.5 – Koenigsegg CCX - 806hp
5.7 – Koenigsegg CCR - 806hp
5.8 – Mosler MT900 GTR - 600hp
5.8 - Ferrari F12 - 740hp
5.9 - McLaren 12c - 625hp
6.0 - Porsche 918 - 795hp
6.1 - Mclaren F1 - 635hp
6.1 - Porsche RUF RT12 R - 750hp
6.2 - Pagani Zonda F - 602hp
6.3 - Lamborghini Aventador LP-700 - 700hp
6.3 - Porsche 911 GT2 RS - 620hp
6.4 - Porsche RUF RT12 S - 685hp
6.4 - Porsche Carrera GT - 612hp
6.5 – Pagani Zonda R - 750hp
6.7 - Ferrari Enzo - 651hp
6.8 - Ferrari GTB 599 - 612hp
7.0 - Mercedes SLR 722 - 650hp
7.1 - Corvette ZR1 - 638hp
7.2 - Porsche 991 turbo S 2013 - 552hp
7.2 - Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670 - 670hp
7.2 - Mercedes SLR Stirling Moss - 650hp
7.2 - Mercedes SLS - 563hp
7.2 - Mercedes SLR - 626hp
7.2 - Audi R8 V10 Plus (2013) - 550hp
7.3 - Porsche 911 997 GT2 - 530hp
7.4 - Ferrari 458 spider - 562hp
7.4 - BMW M6 (2012) - 560hp
7.4 - Ferrari FF - 660hp
7.5 - Porsche 911 Turbo S (2011) - 530hp
7.6 - Ferrari F430 Scuderia - 510hp
7.7 - Lexus LFA - 560hp
7.8 - Lamborghini Murcielago - 580hp
7.8 - Nissan GT-R (2012) - 550hp
7.8 - BMW M5 (2012) - 560hp
7.9 - Corvette C6 Z06 - 513hp
7.9 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 - 500hp
7.9 - Porsche 911 Turbo PDK (2010) - 500hp
7.9 - Porsche 991 GT3 - 476hp
8.0 - Ferrari F50 - 520hp
8.0 - Ford GT - 550hp
8.0 - Viper SRT-10 2008 - 612hp
8.4 - Ferrari F430 - 489hp
8.4 - Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera - 530hp
8.4 - Aston DBS - 517hp
8.4 - Porsche 996 GT2 - 460hp
8.4 - Porsche 997 Turbo auto - 480hp
8.6 - Porsche 997 Turbo manual - 480hp
8.6 - BMW M6 V10 - 507hp
8.6 - Jaguar XKR-S - 551hp
8.7 - Mercedes SL65 AMG - 612hp
8.7 - Nissan GT-R 2008 - 480hp
8.7 - Lamborghini Diablo VT - 492hp
8.8 - Audi RS6 V10 - 579hp
8.8 - BMW M5 V10 - 507hp
8.8 - Mercedes C63 AMG Black - 457hp
8.9 - Mercedes S65 AMG (2008) - 612hp
9.0 - Porsche 996TT X50/Turbo 'S' - 450hp
9.0 - Porsche 997 GT3 RS - 415hp
9.1 - Lamborghini Gallardo SE - 519hp
9.1 - Audi S8 (2012) - 520hp
9.4 - Porsche 991 Carrera S - 400hp
9.5 - Bentley Continental Supersport - 630hp
9.6 - Panamera Turbo - 500hp
9.6 - Aston Vantage (2009) 517hp
9.6 - Wiesmann GT MF5 - 507hp
9.6 - Cadillac CTS-V - 564hp
9.7 - Porsche 996 Turbo - 420hp
9.9 - Mercedes E63 AMG -525
10.0 - BMW 760 (2010) - 544hp
10.5 - Audi RS5 - 450hp
10.6 - Audi R8 (2006) - 420hp
10.6 - Cayenne Turbo (2011) - 500hp
10.8 - Porsche 993 turbo - 408hp
10.9 - BMW M3 E92 - 420hp
11.0 - Audi TT RS Plus (2012) - 360hp
11.2 - Aston Vanquish S - 528hp
11.2 - Audi RS4 Avant (2012) - 450hp
11.3 - Audi RS6 -C5 - 450hp
11.6 - Mercedes SLK-55 Black (2006) - 400hp
11.9 - BMW X5 M - 555hp
11.9 - Ferrari F355 - 380hp
12.6 - Ford Mustang Boss 302 LS - 443hp
12.7 - Mercedes ML 63 AMG (2008) - 510hp
13.3 - Audi S5 - 354hp


Dare anyone guess at what time I got when I drove with my old S8 in my sign from 100-200km/h?


When I was at the track with my RS6 it was dead on pace with the new rs5. The only mod I really had was a tune and I had forgot to turn the AC off. lol. So I know Daz's car will be better than 10.5, I just don't know how much better it will be... The weight loss with throwing the manual tranny in is enormous. The new gearing should also help as should the new turbos and e85 tune. I have a feeling daz is going to be constantly tweaking his tune to maximize the results. Is that true Daz? :incar:

[ttboost]

I don't think I've been negative, just realistic, as I've gone this route, well not THAT far, but I had good intentions. Once I got midway through my manual conversion, I realized I was not going to get the returns I was hoping for, and wasn't willing to spend the mad loot to get there. I bailed on my project, but I am sincere when I say "good luck", as I really want to see someone get to the power levels you guys are shooting for. If someone can get there, and run as good as my CTS-V, I'd be convinced to come back. While the V cost more initially, it only cost $5k to pick up 200rwhp. Really hard to beat that, unless you are a big nitrous fan...

[RS8]

I wonder how fast your CTS-V is now from 100-200?
stock: 9.6sec - Cadillac CTS-V - 564hp
and
Audi RS6 V10 - 579hp does it in 8.8sec

But my S8/RS8 is much faster than that.


Is your CTS-V faster than Corvette C6 Z06 - 513hp ?

Have you compared it with any performance car on the list?

[s8prtotype]

It's also not AWD which is why i didn't go the CTS-V route :)

[ttboost]

I never drove my RS6 in the Winter anyway, so AWD became a non-issue for my "toy". With regard to a 60-130, I never got a chance to do one yet. Probably mid to high 9's stock? After my mods, I expect it to be in the mid to low 7's, if not very high 6's. Kind of heavy for a 6, but I'll try....

[RS8]

I never drove my RS6 in the Winter anyway, so AWD became a non-issue for my "toy". With regard to a 60-130, I never got a chance to do one yet. Probably mid to high 9's stock? After my mods, I expect it to be in the mid to low 7's, if not very high 6's. Kind of heavy for a 6, but I'll try....

That is fast, my Audi S8 with RS6 engine make the sprint in 6.9sec and that with K04 = a lot of backpressure.. So with bigger hot side it would make it in low 6's

But a question if you don't own a Audi anymore why are you still here on this forum and talks about your Cadillac all the time?
(I mean it's good if you have knowledge of the RS6 that you share of yourself with, but to repeatedly talk about your CTS-V at this forum I don't understand why?)

[ttboost]

That is fast, my Audi S8 with RS6 engine make the sprint in 6.9sec and that with K04 = a lot of backpressure.. So with bigger hot side it would make it in low 6's

But a question if you don't own a Audi anymore why are you still here on this forum and talks about your Cadillac all the time?
(I mean it's good if you have knowledge of the RS6 that you share of yourself with, but to repeatedly talk about your CTS-V at this forum I don't understand why?)


??? I come here to help people with RS6 issues. I am also one of the few that had done their own manual conversion. Many come here for that information as well as PM me. I like to help. I am still an Audi fan, but choose not to own one now. Not sure why you think I come here to "talk about my Cadillac all the time". I just use it to compare the platforms. I've owned both. While the only mechanical difference to me is the AWD aspect, and some technology, it is also way cheaper to own and mod. But fair enough, I will never talk about it on this forum again.

[lswing]

That is fast, my Audi S8 with RS6 engine make the sprint in 6.9sec and that with K04 = a lot of backpressure.. So with bigger hot side it would make it in low 6's

But a question if you don't own a Audi anymore why are you still here on this forum and talks about your Cadillac all the time?
(I mean it's good if you have knowledge of the RS6 that you share of yourself with, but to repeatedly talk about your CTS-V at this forum I don't understand why?)

Coming from someone without a true RS6:) As stated, he's got plenty of experience with this car, and it's good for sake of comparison to hear what the newer RWD Caddy can achieve. Appreciate the input, we're short of it here for the most part.

[Bigglezworth]

But a question if you don't own a Audi anymore why are you still here on this forum and talks about your Cadillac all the time?
(I mean it's good if you have knowledge of the RS6 that you share of yourself with, but to repeatedly talk about your CTS-V at this forum I don't understand why?)
It's my appreciation that with Mike having been one of the only forum members to perform their own work on a 6MT swap vs. having any number of "indie's undertake the effort, that he carries a level of experience that is important to those that encounter difficulties or ask various questions about the modification. Further, with all the years of experience, and again one of the few wrenchers, there comes a significant level of understanding on numerous other items related to maintenance and troubleshooting that constructive feedback is often provided.

This specific thread started by laying claims that to this date have been unsubstantiated by anyone that has years of experience with the C5/BCY chassis. Not a one.... With such claims comes great skeptisism which has been stated as such - but received as negativity. All those with a good understanding of the chassis and engine limitations are always looking for ways to increase their performance without; a) breaking the bank; b) having their car out of commission for months; c) encountering the need to have someone modify a host of items that takes a great deal of time and money[see A & B]; and finally d) feeling the need to drop ones trousers to compare penis size which is what the latest round of discussion is now leaning towards.

Peronally, I occassionally talk about one of my other cars - if nothing else to provide subtle comparison that a number of forum members that don't have the luxury of being able to do. In consideration of other forum members with multiple rides, we could talk Porsche, Ferrari, Acura, Lexus, Mercedes, and obviously Caddilac. I don't believe it often enough to create a stink which it unfortunately appears to have been taken as. I know for a fact that there are a number of members on this forum that find interest in the CTS-V Wagon as unlike those across the Atlantic, we can't drive thte RS6 Avant. A couple have talked about their Mercedes wagons and there is not a former member that talks occassionally about this Caddilac wagon. I hope to one day be able to talk about my wagon although I hope it will be an Avant...

Anyway, I admit being one with great skeptisism and waiting patiently to see real world performance numbers with the minor modifications performed for this ride that speak to what has been attained relative to original claims. Sounds like it shouldn't be long now.


I never drove my RS6 in the Winter anyway, so AWD became a non-issue for my "toy". With regard to a 60-130, I never got a chance to do one yet. Probably mid to high 9's stock? After my mods, I expect it to be in the mid to low 7's, if not very high 6's. Kind of heavy for a 6, but I'll try.... That's quick for sure. Certainly helps to have 50% more displacement when one is trying to make 50% more power hey. What does that work out to from a hp/L perspective?

[Other_Erik]

It's my appreciation that with Mike having been one of the only forum members to perform their own work on a 6MT swap vs. having any number of "indie's undertake the effort, that he carries a level of experience that is important to those that encounter difficulties or ask various questions about the modification. Further, with all the years of experience, and again one of the few wrenchers, there comes a significant level of understanding on numerous other items related to maintenance and troubleshooting that constructive feedback is often provided.

This specific thread started by laying claims that to this date have been unsubstantiated by anyone that has years of experience with the C5/BCY chassis. Not a one.... With such claims comes great skeptisism which has been stated as such - but received as negativity. All those with a good understanding of the chassis and engine limitations are always looking for ways to increase their performance without; a) breaking the bank; b) having their car out of commission for months; c) encountering the need to have someone modify a host of items that takes a great deal of time and money[see A & B]; and finally d) feeling the need to drop ones trousers to compare penis size which is what the latest round of discussion is now leaning towards.

Peronally, I occassionally talk about one of my other cars - if nothing else to provide subtle comparison that a number of forum members that don't have the luxury of being able to do. In consideration of other forum members with multiple rides, we could talk Porsche, Ferrari, Acura, Lexus, Mercedes, and obviously Caddilac. I don't believe it often enough to create a stink which it unfortunately appears to have been taken as. I know for a fact that there are a number of members on this forum that find interest in the CTS-V Wagon as unlike those across the Atlantic, we can't drive thte RS6 Avant. A couple have talked about their Mercedes wagons and there is not a former member that talks occassionally about this Caddilac wagon. I hope to one day be able to talk about my wagon although I hope it will be an Avant...

Anyway, I admit being one with great skeptisism and waiting patiently to see real world performance numbers with the minor modifications performed for this ride that speak to what has been attained relative to original claims. Sounds like it shouldn't be long now.

((above edited for brevity))

I mean this in the most positive way possible. Thank you Linus, for being the voice of reason, calm, and sanity.

1) We would all like to see the kind of power proposed in this thread, and talked about in another thread by the original poster, regarding #00whp kits. When we have verifiable proof that it's (a) possible , (b) not ridiculously expensive , and for some/most (c) not a trailer-queen solution - that's when we'll be ready to drop the skepticism.
2) I enjoy the comparison talk regarding other vehicles. When I see others move on to other cars and then not necessarily enjoy them as much, it makes me a little sad for them, but happy that I've made the right decision to stick with the beast. When I talk about other cars I've owned or driven, the RS6 has become my baseline. I've driven vehicles that would leave 99.999% of the cars on the road in the dust, but I didn't enjoy them nearly as much as my precious Skulld. I recently picked up an '05 A6 for the wife - for awhile there, it was about 3/4 of what I talked about here, what with its gee-whiz factor of gadgetry that would've fit right in the RS6. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have known that the RS6 had a (hot weather or summer?) package that included the power-actuated rear windscreen sunshade. Wishing I'd known, because that would've been a killer option for me. Likewise I've driven more luxury-oriented cars, and while they're nice when you've got a back as bad as mine, there's no thrill in bobbing along like a cork...
3) Regarding the negativity - One of the biggest reasons I come here (besides the technical knowledge that blows my mind), is that this community is just that - a community. This isn't just a forum. If someone has problems, we all pull together to share knowledge, experience, tools, sometimes even parts. The first day I had my Beast, I noted that the stupid 5-cent plastic cap was missing off my wiper arm assembly, and the only way Audi had for me to get a replacement was to order a $450 full wiper arm assembly. SteveKen stepped up to the plate and just sent me one for free. It's things like that that give me hope for humanity.

tl;dr version: Let's all calm the f--k down and see what happens with this build. Proof is in the pudding.

O_E

[ColoradoRS]

You guys will see big power out of my next build. We're sticking to stock internals for the car which will limit our potential but i'm sure all of you will appreciate being able to see 650whp on pump gas. A lot of people go the route of bigger valves and cams with k04 framed turbos thinking that the extra "flow" will create more HP. From experice, unless you're pushing BIG HP typically the ports, polishes and bigger valves aren't needed. That just reduces air speed inside the heads and creates more lag when running bigger turbos. We're not going to touch the heads, exhaust manifolds, intake manifold or anything like that. The intakes will be custom, along with the turbo inlets, downpipes and exhaust. It's my personal belief that this engine is VERY capable of putting down some very good numbers with small changes to it. If I end up being wrong I'll eat my words, but I'm very certain that I'll be sticking to my regular diet. I'm building a monster S4 right now but when I'm done with that the next rs6 goes under the knife. We would run it on e85 but we are trying to save ourselves from having to run a completely custom fuel system which would most likely be required for the power levels we're shooting for.

[s8prtotype]

You guys will see big power out of my next build. We're sticking to stock internals for the car which will limit our potential but i'm sure all of you will appreciate being able to see 650whp on pump gas. A lot of people go the route of bigger valves and cams with k04 framed turbos thinking that the extra "flow" will create more HP. From experice, unless you're pushing BIG HP typically the ports, polishes and bigger valves aren't needed. That just reduces air speed inside the heads and creates more lag when running bigger turbos. We're not going to touch the heads, exhaust manifolds, intake manifold or anything like that. The intakes will be custom, along with the turbo inlets, downpipes and exhaust. It's my personal belief that this engine is VERY capable of putting down some very good numbers with small changes to it. If I end up being wrong I'll eat my words, but I'm very certain that I'll be sticking to my regular diet. I'm building a monster S4 right now but when I'm done with that the next rs6 goes under the knife. We would run it on e85 but we are trying to save ourselves from having to run a completely custom fuel system which would most likely be required for the power levels we're shooting for.

This may be true if you have some random joe schmoe port your heads lol, there is an exact science to porting heads (I come from a long list of DSM cars) and unfortunately the RS6 hasn't had the flow testing done to see what works and what doesn't. No one is going to waste a few heads to find this out on this platform. But to say more (properly done) flow reduces air speed in the heads is ridiculous lol.

BTW, it all works together, so you're going to be forcing more air in... where do you think that goes? you AT LEAST should throw in some tubular manifolds with any turbo housing above stock. Let it breath man! Hell this car could use a intake manifold as well!

[ColoradoRS]

I knew the first person to come along and read that would mis read that. When you go BIG turbo and port the heads without shooting for very big numbers, increased sizes in the head reduces air speed and seems to add lag. You have to be shooting for pretty LARGE dyno numbers to need to have your heads ported. I know little to nothing about DSM's but Those cars may have very restrictive heads if increasing head/valve port sizes increases HP by a dramatic amount at lower HP numbers. Audi's have very well designed heads that flow very well from the factory.

[Bigglezworth]

You have to be shooting for pretty LARGE dyno numbers to need to have your heads ported.To quote your initial post on this thread, "One of them will produce about 650whp on 91 octane and be capable of 800whp on race gas or e85.", few would argue that 650-800WHP are small numbers when you consider parasitic AWD drivetrain loss in the range of ~18%.

[s8prtotype]

I knew the first person to come along and read that would mis read that. When you go BIG turbo and port the heads without shooting for very big numbers, increased sizes in the head reduces air speed and seems to add lag. You have to be shooting for pretty LARGE dyno numbers to need to have your heads ported. I know little to nothing about DSM's but Those cars may have very restrictive heads if increasing head/valve port sizes increases HP by a dramatic amount at lower HP numbers. Audi's have very well designed heads that flow very well from the factory.

I didn't mis-read anything, when you go BIG turbo and port the head you need it DONE CORRECTLY so you don't "reduce air speed" and add lag? You also don't have to shoot for large dyno numbers for a perfectly ported head to work better, it's also not by a dramatic amount.. if you get 10-15% more flow regardless of turbo size you're putting down more power, period.

Try not to hold back on that RS6 so much killer ;)

[CBeau]

How about talk abt. it just one more time??... how do you find V compared to SL65?? I love my 65 only prob. is it makes all my other cars seem like crippled goats lol. And I haven't even put a tune on it yet. Was going to go Renntech just bc I know Harmut pretty well and proven commodity.... but I think Ive been convinced to do a custom on dyno tune from a very reputable person. It already makes my RS6 (stock) seem really really slow, which I guess it is in comparison, but it even makes my few Porsches seem anemic and couple of them are pretty tricked out.... just SL drives like the heavy boat it is, couldn't even pretend to keep up on racetrack without wrecking it. So how is it stepping out of 65 into something like CTSV? I've driven a bunch of them incl. one with Hennessey supercharger / DPs / tune etc. on it, I don't think any of them could hold a stick to my stock SL. Maybe I'm kidding myself.


??? I come here to help people with RS6 issues. I am also one of the few that had done their own manual conversion. Many come here for that information as well as PM me. I like to help. I am still an Audi fan, but choose not to own one now. Not sure why you think I come here to "talk about my Cadillac all the time". I just use it to compare the platforms. I've owned both. While the only mechanical difference to me is the AWD aspect, and some technology, it is also way cheaper to own and mod. But fair enough, I will never talk about it on this forum again.

[ttboost]

How about talk abt. it just one more time??... how do you find V compared to SL65?? I love my 65 only prob. is it makes all my other cars seem like crippled goats lol. And I haven't even put a tune on it yet. Was going to go Renntech just bc I know Harmut pretty well and proven commodity.... but I think Ive been convinced to do a custom on dyno tune from a very reputable person. It already makes my RS6 (stock) seem really really slow, which I guess it is in comparison, but it even makes my few Porsches seem anemic and couple of them are pretty tricked out.... just SL drives like the heavy boat it is, couldn't even pretend to keep up on racetrack without wrecking it. So how is it stepping out of 65 into something like CTSV? I've driven a bunch of them incl. one with Hennessey supercharger / DPs / tune etc. on it, I don't think any of them could hold a stick to my stock SL. Maybe I'm kidding myself.

I'd love to tell you, but I don't want to get in trouble...

[CBeau]

I'd love to tell you, but I don't want to get in trouble...

PM me in the VIP big hp/tq room. If we have to I can just have my people talk to your people lol. that way neither of us is personally involved

[ttboost]

Without naming names, I've become a fan of 4door hotrods...hence my lust for the RS6. Unfortunately, it is an uphill battle to make that car fast. The manual conversion helped, but the car is a design nightmare. Doesn't lend itself to modding very well, without spending a sh*t ton of loot. Not terribly interested in that. I was attracted to the AWD prowess of the car, but ultimately never used it for that. My current 4dr hotrod will make about 650-675 to the wheels on pump gas and can be a daily driver. I also picked up 200+rwhp for about $5k. If I could have done that with the RS6, I'd still have it. I am a drag racer type, and enjoy taking my cars to the track. I think it's fair to say the RS6 will NEVER run a 1.5 60ft. My current car will do that easily. I am currently building an engine for it. Regarding my old 2 door hardtop convertible...it was stupid fast, stock. With a tune only it ran 10.99 at 127mph...and it weighed 4700lbs with me in it. Awesome car, just not a good value. Sounds AWESOME with no mufflers.

[ColoradoRS]

The first build is basically done. Just need to find an small intake leak but besides that she's good to go. Here's a few pictures. 1660116601

[ColoradoRS]

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[Bigglezworth]

So is this the 650whp on 91 octane / 800whp on race gas or e85 ride??

[ColoradoRS]

Nooooo..... This one is the rs6 hybrid car. It will be running e85 but being that she's on rs6 frame turbos she won't be hitting any huge HP figures.

[Bigglezworth]

Nooooo..... This one is the rs6 hybrid car. It will be running e85 but being that she's on rs6 frame turbos she won't be hitting any huge HP figures.I was being facetious. Easy to tell it's a baseline set-up by just looking at photos with OEM size turbos, OEM intake system, OEM headers, etc. Still looking forward to all the photos and accompanying write-up for all the modifications that need to be done to baseline set-up to meet your initial claims.

[SteveKen]

Please tell me you did all the necessary maintenance items while it was out. Timing belt, water pump, bufkin pipe, etc.

[ColoradoRS]

Please tell me you did all the necessary maintenance items while it was out. Timing belt, water pump, bufkin pipe, etc.


We we pretty much did everything besides pulling the Pistons and giving the alusil a fresh hone lol

[SteveKen]

I feel better now. Looks like it was untouched.

[Bigglezworth]

I feel better now. Looks like it was untouched.I was thinking the exact same thing. Great opportunity to clean up all the covers and Y-pipe so that things look new again.

[ddillenger]

Brett couldn't afford the downtime while I had everything powdercoated. I'll be pulling the covers, y-pipe, and ancillaries off for coating when I get it back. Don't worry guys-it'll be pretty soon.

As for maintenance:

Cam chain tensioner pads
Valvecover gaskets
Cam seals
Plugs
Injectors
Crank sensor
Primary o2 sensors
Power steering pump
vac. lines
aluminum oil cooler tube deally
full timing belt kit with waterpump, thermostat, seals, etc
maf seals
Front axles
Motor mounts (stern)
Trans mounts (stern)
Alternator voltage regulator
CTS
Rebuilt 01E, fresh fluids.

etc, etc, etc.

It should be all caught up on maintenance, at least for a while.

[Other_Erik]

Brett couldn't afford the downtime while I had everything powdercoated. I'll be pulling the covers, y-pipe, and ancillaries off for coating when I get it back. Don't worry guys-it'll be pretty soon.

As for maintenance:

Cam chain tensioner pads
Valvecover gaskets
Cam seals
Plugs
Injectors
Crank sensor
Primary o2 sensors
Power steering pump
vac. lines
aluminum oil cooler tube deally
full timing belt kit with waterpump, thermostat, seals, etc
maf seals
Front axles
Motor mounts (stern)
Trans mounts (stern)
Alternator voltage regulator
CTS
Rebuilt 01E, fresh fluids.

etc, etc, etc.

It should be all caught up on maintenance, at least for a while.

Was this one of those factory freaks that didn't develop a weeping leak at the crank seal? Lucky! Would've added one item to the not-quite-maintenance, not-quite-upgrade list - ceramic coating and Ti-wrap on headers, downpipes to 2nd cats, and turbo blankets; but that's just me. Better to do it while the engine is out than have to put it on the autopsy table a second time.

Hope she drives like a dream!

O_E

[ddillenger]

Also, R8 coils, serpentine belt, and a few other details were done.

Thanks Erik, with any sort of luck I'll be enjoying it for a long time to come. At this point I'm just excited to get it wrapped up, and off to the paint shop. MAYBE drive it before the season is over :)

[Bigglezworth]

Also, R8 coils...
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Clearly we're not looking at the same photos as the ones posted have the stock OEM coils vs. the R8 coils. Also those are clearly OEM motor mounts and not after market Stern units.

[ddillenger]

First set got lost in the shuffle. All that arrived was the adapter brackets. New set enroute.

[ColoradoRS]

Figured I'd let everyone know that we're on to the second build and just waiting for the turbos. Once we have the turbos a few modifications will take place and we'll get those thrown on and in the car. The bigger parts of the manual tranny conversion are already done. If you want to see photos, go to our facebook site.

https://www.facebook.com/brettwithabsautomotive

[ddillenger]

Keep an eye out for gradual updates.

Long and short of it, I have the car back. I have been on the fence about what I had done for a while, and decided to just do it the way I wanted. I even went so far as to work with Steve to get a twin disc flywheel made when I did my original setup...

I have ordered a set of EFR 7163 turbos, going to do it the way I should have from the start.

[RS8]

What? will you put two big EFR7163 on your RS6 ?
Are your plan to get over 1000whp ?

I have a friend that have bought two smaller EFR6758 for his RS6 engine and his plan is to reach 1000 engine hp with E85 and Vems ecu, Pro series fuel pump and in the engine he have put in forged con-rods now.

So how much is your plan to change inside the engine and outside with two efr7163 turbos on it?

[lswing]

Chirp chirp...only crickets here. Progress?

[ddillenger]

Finished the 4 bar hack for the ecu so we can have real boost control. Still cleaning it up, but getting close. 2 bar, taper to 1.5.



http://i.imgur.com/fOXvLyu.png


Had to machine an adapter as the 4 bar map is much smaller in diameter, thus not fitting the stock bipipe so well



http://i.imgur.com/XwFTzkD.jpg


Still on the K24 hybrids for now, fortunately fixing the flywheel issue didn't necessitate engine removal, so the 7163's are being put on the R8



http://i.imgur.com/10DzHdh.jpg


Which already has as a manual :)



http://i.imgur.com/1p3uKGB.jpg




Sorted out a few idle issues associated with the manual conversion on the RS, no longer rev hangs when dropping to an idle from speed. I'd say it drives like it came that way from the beginning now.



All the 304 stainless came for the exhaust, had to get a second set of flex pipes as the first ones, while 3", neck down internally to nearly 2.5".



http://i.imgur.com/VWtyAeh.jpg


No good for a full 3" system. Decided to go with one dual in/out resonator, but leave the possibility for mufflers open.



Trying to determine the best way to accomodate the non round opening for the downpipe



http://i.imgur.com/uM1IaWR.jpg


Using some of the 409 stainless flanges I bought which are scrap, as the rest of the exhaust is 304, so I had to get new ones cut



http://i.imgur.com/MJrbqzf.jpg


Here you can see the new 304 vs the old 409 flanges



http://i.imgur.com/rbQsWVt.jpg

[LaserSVT]

Didnt realize Daz was a part of this build. I actually have high hopes of them reaching the HP goals now.

[ddillenger]

Had some other setbacks, namely a bit of vibration. Turns out the new engine mounts are a bit taller, throwing off the driveline angles

http://i.imgur.com/ijgmA78.jpg

Had some spacers made

http://i.imgur.com/zMnS62F.jpg

Ahh, much better

http://i.imgur.com/pgZVqQh.jpg

[ddillenger]

On top of that, had to redo all the maf wiring, then one of the sensors failed. A bit of binary digging confirmed that the RS6 uses two TT225 MAFS. The TT225 MAFs use the same sensors as the 1.8t wideband cars (from 01-05, vw golf, audi a4, etc), just in a larger housing. Threw some of those in, and all is well. After that, new CCM, leveling sensors and a few wire repairs there, fan controller, and fixed the clockspring (it was upside down, so couldn't code the module or perform basic settings).

She's been fault code/light free for a couple 1000 miles now

http://i.imgur.com/x0Cf6c8.jpg
And just hit 180k.

Awaiting some parts (skid plate, valvecovers, fog grilles, replacement sideskirt, etc), then she'll be getting ready for paint.

[ddillenger]

Didnt realize Daz was a part of this build. I actually have high hopes of them reaching the HP goals now.

Thanks :)

It's my car we're talking about :p

[LaserSVT]

Sweet. Cant wait.

[bethridg]

Sorted out a few idle issues associated with the manual conversion on the RS, no longer rev hangs when dropping to an idle from speed

Well then, you have piqued my interest even more. Have/Are you considering offering a 6-speed tune?

[Fastguy]

I can't wait either. Been following from the beginning. Some real work going into this. Such detail....and that exhaust. Can't wait for a sound clip :)

[ddillenger]

Well then, you have piqued my interest even more. Have/Are you considering offering a 6-speed tune?

Yes. I'd say it's ready for a mass rollout, but as I am not an advertiser of this forum, I don't want to break any rules :)

I've been working on it for the past year or so. It has been mostly done, but I still had a pesky high idle when coasting until you came to a complete stop. It wasn't that bad, but it is now fixed.

[bethridg]

PM sent :D

[lswing]

Sweet, looks like some serious work, but well done. What type of numbers, any time on the dyno yet?

[Avus-RS6]

Congrats on getting it sorted. Im looking forward to seeing what she puts down , dyno or fats, or 60-130. I've only dyno'd mine, need to get ahold of a vbox one of these days and see how she does.

[ddillenger]

Thanks guys. She's got a ways to go to be PERFECT, but it will be when done. If we don't make the power we want, I'll just go bigger :)

I want to say though, if you need any service near VA beach, Chesapeake area, carsinc owned by my buddy Dave is probably the best you could hope for. One of the coolest dudes alive as far as I'm concerned. He takes pride in his work, and it shows.

[ddillenger]

Here she is, in all her glory. Rear bumper is Avus (as the Dolphin was cracked), thus the color mismatch. She's about to get a black sideskirt too too, as well as a new set of front fenders to replace the cracked and dented ones on it. It'll be painted relatively soon anyway :)

Have a nice set of black and cream Euro Recaro's I'm toying with installing. I have the matching black/cream alcantara door panels as well.

http://i.imgur.com/HD6AeH0.jpg

[ddillenger]

Also, disregard the wheels. They're just temporary. Have a super nice, just refinished set of Sportec Mono10's going on with the Bilstein coilovers. 19x8.5 front (255/35/19) and 19x10 rear (295/30/19). These have been my dream wheels since first seeing them. Took a while to find the right ones. I ended up getting 5 total, so I have a fullsize spare :)

Mine are the OG's, made by Ronal. I don't like a lot of aftermarket multi spoked wheels, but IMO, these fit the RS as they aren't a crazy departure from the stock look.

http://i.imgur.com/543ZM5B.jpg