Buyer beware of the Sportec RS600

[DHall1]

Well apparently the RS600 has a new owner and things are not so good.

I searched for that thread that 10secS4 put up last month but I think it was banned by admin.

Just wanted to put something out here to document the issues with the car for future reference. Pat has the AMG forum thread with the news on the car or I will post it up later.

Issues with getting the title are on the top of the list. Doh

[ben916]

There is bad mojo with that car in the fact that the original owner, the guy that ripped everyone off with a Ponzi scheme IIRC, built it with blood money = it is Christine...

[bmwade]

Guess as to how long it takes 10secS4 to act all offended because the "haters are just jealous"? Shame on you DHall1 for being such a jealous hater! LOL

[DHall1]

I think he is banned anyways. His thread was pulled. LOL

[Bigglezworth]

I never had prolems with Marc. Most know I purchased my second RS6 from him with his tune in it.

Here's a couple of posts on the Sportec ride.

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/20904-The-RS600-6M-is-now-in-good-hands

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/21472-FS-Sportec-RS600-with-MTM-6-speed-gearbox

http://forums.fourtitude.com/showthr...ion&p=63850007 (http://forums.fourtitude.com/showthr...ion&p=63850007)

[Erik]

No one has been banned lately.

[DHall1]

Understood. But his recent for sale thread was moved? or deleted. Then posts were removed where he crapped on other forum member threads and for sale ads. Funny how his "perfect" RS600 that cost 150000 to build didnt even have a working A/C system. I know, minor details.


I never had prolems with Marc. Most know I purchased my second RS6 from him with his tune in it.

Here's a couple of posts on the Sportec ride.

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/20904-The-RS600-6M-is-now-in-good-hands

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/21472-FS-Sportec-RS600-with-MTM-6-speed-gearbox

http://forums.fourtitude.com/showthr...ion&p=63850007 (http://forums.fourtitude.com/showthr...ion&p=63850007)

[lswing]

Would like to hear more about this, never liked the sound of the car or fella selling it...

[ttboost]

This post isn't meant to slam anyone, just posting my opinion and the facts as I know them. Just like many of you, I have a friend here that took great strides to buy that car, from the auction, way back when. He was told flat out that there is no way that car can be legally driven on any US roads, period. End of that conversation. Marc bought it, owned it for a while, and sold it to a guy here in CT. New CT owner claims to have gotten a CT title, but I'm dubious. We have a tough state when it comes to registration and emissions. I'll leave it at that.
I got to see the car at a EPL dyno day. MY first impression was that the paint and interior were not that nice. Maybe just needed a good detail..not sure, didn't study it, was still mesmerized by the whole 6 speed thing.
Owner was debating whether to put it on the dyno. He ended up on the dyno, but I had left. I got the report though, hence my comments in the "for sale" thread, that was deleted. Car barely made 450whp @ 22psi. then made 10-15whp less every pull after with less and less boost and some heatsoak.

My opinion back then was based on these facts. For a car with so much hoopla attached to it, to have these results? The excuse being that it is only running 11-12psi of boost? Why? Why would a $150k super sedan with a built motor and all the best parts only be running 11-12lbs of boost? heatsoak? After a few runs with bigger IC's? I can buy an S4 on Autotrader right now, for $10k, that would whip this car.

Anyway, as I have said before, the manual conversion alone can account for that HP number on that dyno. On EPL's Mustang dyno, my car made 318awhp, With EPL flash it made 400awhp. With fully gutted DP's and 01E (with SAME tune), we were at 475ish (back when it was cool out), but we are still tuning. You guys figure out how much the 01E and DP's are worth. That car should be making at least 600whp IMO....Good luck to whoever bought the car, if in fact it IS what everyone says it is, there is a LOT of potential...

[UrS6]

Well apparently the RS600 has a new owner and things are not so good.

I searched for that thread that 10secS4 put up last month but I think it was banned by admin.

Just wanted to put something out here to document the issues with the car for future reference. Pat has the AMG forum thread with the news on the car or I will post it up later.

Issues with getting the title are on the top of the list. Doh

Got a link to the AMG forum?

[UrS6]

This post isn't meant to slam anyone, just posting my opinion and the facts as I know them. Just like many of you, I have a friend here that took great strides to buy that car, from the auction, way back when. He was told flat out that there is no way that car can be legally driven on any US roads, period. End of that conversation. Marc bought it, owned it for a while, and sold it to a guy here in CT. New CT owner claims to have gotten a CT title, but I'm dubious. We have a tough state when it comes to registration and emissions. I'll leave it at that.
I got to see the car at a EPL dyno day. MY first impression was that the paint and interior were not that nice. Maybe just needed a good detail..not sure, didn't study it, was still mesmerized by the whole 6 speed thing.
Owner was debating whether to put it on the dyno. He ended up on the dyno, but I had left. I got the report though, hence my comments in the "for sale" thread, that was deleted. Car barely made 450whp @ 22psi. then made 10-15whp less every pull after with less and less boost and some heatsoak.

My opinion back then was based on these facts. For a car with so much hoopla attached to it, to have these results? The excuse being that it is only running 11-12psi of boost? Why? Why would a $150k super sedan with a built motor and all the best parts only be running 11-12lbs of boost? heatsoak? After a few runs with bigger IC's? I can buy an S4 on Autotrader right now, for $10k, that would whip this car.

Anyway, as I have said before, the manual conversion alone can account for that HP number on that dyno. On EPL's Mustang dyno, my car made 318awhp, With EPL flash it made 400awhp. With fully gutted DP's and 01E (with SAME tune), we were at 475ish (back when it was cool out), but we are still tuning. You guys figure out how much the 01E and DP's are worth. That car should be making at least 600whp IMO....Good luck to whoever bought the car, if in fact it IS what everyone says it is, there is a LOT of potential...
Getting a title is easy and has been done at least 4 times in the US. The car was not imported properly and is technically not legal. Doubtful that it would ever get confiscated at this point but there is no FMVSS sticker so if you get in an accident you are screwed.

[ttboost]

Getting a title for a car with no VIN? Must know someone?

Anyway,
Post #51, Dave sums up (3 years ago), what I surmised last December.

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/20380-RS600-for-sale-in-Minneapolis-)/page3

[ttboost]

Found this..started pretty recently too...maybe new owner?

http://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/501479-racing-rs6s-mods.html

[UrS6]

It has a VIN. There is a lot of misinformation out there. Most of post #51 is incorrect. The intercoolers are still there. I saw no issues with the paint. No peeling only some chipping on the front of the hood.

[DHall1]

Sounds like first hand experience here. I think if you want to make free for sale ads and you make the grand claims about how nice something is....when other members have a different opinion you will have long road to travel. Several people on this forum have had first hand experience with this car. If you wish to post up free advertising on any public forum expect feedback. If you wish not to deal with the feedback then advertise on autotrader.com. IMHO make all the claims you wish over there.


This post isn't meant to slam anyone, just posting my opinion and the facts as I know them. Just like many of you, I have a friend here that took great strides to buy that car, from the auction, way back when. He was told flat out that there is no way that car can be legally driven on any US roads, period. End of that conversation. Marc bought it, owned it for a while, and sold it to a guy here in CT. New CT owner claims to have gotten a CT title, but I'm dubious. We have a tough state when it comes to registration and emissions. I'll leave it at that.
I got to see the car at a EPL dyno day. MY first impression was that the paint and interior were not that nice. Maybe just needed a good detail..not sure, didn't study it, was still mesmerized by the whole 6 speed thing.
Owner was debating whether to put it on the dyno. He ended up on the dyno, but I had left. I got the report though, hence my comments in the "for sale" thread, that was deleted. Car barely made 450whp @ 22psi. then made 10-15whp less every pull after with less and less boost and some heatsoak.

My opinion back then was based on these facts. For a car with so much hoopla attached to it, to have these results? The excuse being that it is only running 11-12psi of boost? Why? Why would a $150k super sedan with a built motor and all the best parts only be running 11-12lbs of boost? heatsoak? After a few runs with bigger IC's? I can buy an S4 on Autotrader right now, for $10k, that would whip this car.

Anyway, as I have said before, the manual conversion alone can account for that HP number on that dyno. On EPL's Mustang dyno, my car made 318awhp, With EPL flash it made 400awhp. With fully gutted DP's and 01E (with SAME tune), we were at 475ish (back when it was cool out), but we are still tuning. You guys figure out how much the 01E and DP's are worth. That car should be making at least 600whp IMO....Good luck to whoever bought the car, if in fact it IS what everyone says it is, there is a LOT of potential...

[ttboost]

Yes Dave, there are people here that have far more intimate knowlegde of this car than you or I, and prefer to stay anonymous. I"m OK with that and understand.
I was just posting my limited knowledge, experience, and opinion of the car and situation. MY opinion is: I can build a car like that for way less money and WAY less headaches. I'm not sayng the car is a POS, I'm just saying I don't think it's worth all the money people are trading for it. Good luck to anyone that obtains it. If nothing else, it is a piece of history now!!!

[Bigglezworth]

MY opinion is: I can build a car like that for way less money and WAY less headaches. I'm not sayng the car is a POS, I'm just saying I don't think it's worth all the money people are trading for it. Good luck to anyone that obtains it. If nothing else, it is a piece of history now!!!I stated exactly that with my post on the now deleted thread where it was recently listed for sale. That didn't automatically suggest the asking price was incorrect though. Just that you could build something with all new parts for the same price as the existing vehicle had with all used parts and what is percieved (at least by me anyway since I'm no expert on the title issue) as being a problem with registering/insuring.

There will be a host of 6spd conversions done over the next couple of years as people realize things are sorted out and the price impact of cars no longer in warranty dictate looking at different options. The exclusivity of a 6spd is no longer there. Neither are the days when stock RS6's aren't hotrodded/modded with different turbos, headers, fuel management, intakes, etc.

[Jimmy]

I have seen the car, granted it was like 2 years ago...my point? There is a 'right' way to change a car's color; this one, for all the money it's claimed to be worth...didn't have it done 'right' IMO. I've seen better paint come out of a Maaco shop. But stuff like that is subjective.

[DHall1]

I think we have been more than fair as with regards to that RS600. Several members have seen this car in person and have subjective opinions about its condition and state of tune. I'm 100% in agreement with all your posts in this matter and its why we are all here. I think any forum member can make grown up decision and all the subjective feedback helps the direction. In the end, we all understand subjective opinions and we move forward. No name calling or derogatory statements to the seller were made but he/they became very defensive about the whole thing. Oh well, put your ad on Autotrader and leave us alone then.


Yes Dave, there are people here that have far more intimate knowlegde of this car than you or I, and prefer to stay anonymous. I"m OK with that and understand.
I was just posting my limited knowledge, experience, and opinion of the car and situation. MY opinion is: I can build a car like that for way less money and WAY less headaches. I'm not sayng the car is a POS, I'm just saying I don't think it's worth all the money people are trading for it. Good luck to anyone that obtains it. If nothing else, it is a piece of history now!!!

[ttboost]

There is an a$$ for every seat. Good luck to the future owners of that car...I'm sure there will be many...

[Erik]

The For Sale thread wasn't deleted, mods can still see it. It was moved on the thread starter's wish, and I can understand why.

Difficult call, do we (I) allow for sale post or not?

The easiest way for me would just be to delete any for sale threads (cars or whatever), on the other hand I Think a lot of members probably benefit from them (on both sides of the sale).

We've had some instances with people buying (and unfortunately paying) for stuff they never got - it's the internet and shit happens if you're not careful!

As it is anyone can post a for sale thread in the normal section, as there's a limited amount of these posts.

However I really don't like these kind of threads, like this one and the development. Too much negative.

[ThrillHouse]

I find this incredibly positive. Everyone may have an opinion on value, power, condition or history but the real concerns of legality are what the real concern is rooted in. I had read the original and was happy/proud to see this when a real concern was had. This is what makes this community here one of, if not the best. I have been involved in a lot forums over the years but this one is truly something different.

[Other_Erik]

The For Sale thread wasn't deleted, mods can still see it. It was moved on the thread starter's wish, and I can understand why.

Difficult call, do we (I) allow for sale post or not?

The easiest way for me would just be to delete any for sale threads (cars or whatever), on the other hand I Think a lot of members probably benefit from them (on both sides of the sale).

We've had some instances with people buying (and unfortunately paying) for stuff they never got - it's the internet and shit happens if you're not careful!

As it is anyone can post a for sale thread in the normal section, as there's a limited amount of these posts.

However I really don't like these kind of threads, like this one and the development. Too much negative.

Please keep in mind I'm coming at this having _just_ purchased a vehicle that I found on this board. I'd probably still be looking for another beast if it weren't for the threads here, because every one that I found needed THOUSANDS of dollars worth of work. (think $8k or more, every single time)

That said, I've seen this kind of debate from both sides, and can suggest the following:
1) To POST anything forsale or fortrade, picture(s) with _your account name_ in big bold letters on a piece of paper in them are required, as well as a [FS], [FT], or [FS/FT] tag in the title
2) Payment terms need to be very clear - Smaller items Cash at pickup or paypal verified for goods, not gift payment. Larger items (vehicles, crate engines, basically anything that PayPal won't cover either side due to value/subjective value), Cash at pickup or certified cashiers' check only
3) RS6.com will take no liability in the case of fraud on the part of any buyer or seller, the facility to buy and sell parts/vehicles on the board is a privilege extended to members only, and may be removed with no notice for any reason / no reason whatsoever.

In this particular case, my only advice would be to _not_ allow the sale of a vehicle with questionable legal status until such time as proof can be shown that the vehicle has been approved by the Federal DOT for use on US roads, and that it has been titled with serial number by the owner.

[1uglymug]

In this particular case, my only advice would be to _not_ allow the sale of a vehicle with questionable legal status until such time as proof can be shown that the vehicle has been approved by the Federal DOT for use on US roads, and that it has been titled with serial number by the owner.

Excellent idea!

[na1mt]

On the other forum I am a member on all Cars for Sale ads must be accompanied by pics of the vin tag or be deleted.

[hahnmgh63]

I would just think that buyer beware is good enough. Maybe someone wants an off-road only car? People have to be responsible for their own action and make their own decisions as to whether it is worth it or not. I am guilty of bringing in a Euro only model Lancia 25+ years ago and working it out to get a title. I said working it out, it had a DOT/EPA sticker, enough said but I never tried to sell it to anyone but I would have to the right buyer. Just saying I don't believe or count on big brother or anyone else looking after me.

[4everRS]

We don't need to be fixing what's not broken here. If you have something for sale, post it and hopefully sell it. The buyer needs to do a bit of due diligence on the purchase side. If its a new member with 6 posts that's selling something, personally, I would be cautious. If its a member that has been reputable in the past, I'm not as worried.

Keep it as is. We have the best Audi forum on the World Wide Web.

[1uglymug]

People should take personal responsibility, I'm with ya.

But what harm would it be to ask a seller to post the VIN number if he/she is suggesting that this is a legal drivable car in the US? If it is a car that is an "off-road only car" then the seller should say so. I don't see this as big brother. I just see this as "clarification".

[4everRS]

I agree 100%.

I just don't think the forum moderators should be in any way responsible to police this.


People should take personal responsibility, I'm with ya.

But what harm would it be to ask a seller to post the VIN number if he/she is suggesting that this is a legal drivable car in the US? If it is a car that is an "off-road only car" then the seller should say so. I don't see this as big brother. I just see this as "clarification".

[DHall1]

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[1uglymug]

You are probably right… just added headache for them.

And in all honesty, I don't think folks on here would let the sale of an unauthorized vehicle or even a RS6 clone sold as a "authorized authentic" go on unnoticed.

[bmwade]

You are probably right… just added headache for them.

And in all honesty, I don't think folks on here would let the sale of an unauthorized vehicle or even a RS6 clone sold as a "authorized authentic" go on unnoticed.

Yep, everyone pointed out the issues with the sportec car when it went up for sale, and if the new buyer had come here pre-purchase then they could have found out all the info he needed.

And the same goes for every other car. The collective knowledge of this forum constantly patrols FS cars and points out possible shortcomings.

[lowered97a4]

What is it any of your buisness where the car goes or what happens to it Dhall1, you were harassing marc and I about the car about paper work. Mind ur own shit stop making drama on the forums if someone wants to know anything about the car you can ask. People sell cars on the forums track car setup gutted no airbags blah blah give me a break everyone knows about the car why keep throwing fuel into the fire, i sold it to a guy hes happy with it he knew what he purchased, maybe one day you will have a 6speed rs6 yourself goodluck

[lswing]

What is it any of your buisness where the car goes or what happens to it Dhall1, you were harassing marc and I about the car about paper work. Mind ur own shit stop making drama on the forums if someone wants to know anything about the car you can ask. People sell cars on the forums track car setup gutted no airbags blah blah give me a break everyone knows about the car why keep throwing fuel into the fire, i sold it to a guy hes happy with it he knew what he purchased, maybe one day you will have a 6speed rs6 yourself goodluck

Great attitude, and grammer. I'd say in general people with rs6's care about the other cars and want folks to have a good experience. Even if said owner is happy, who knows just what the condition or performance of the car really is. Hopefully it's doing well!

[lowered97a4]

Lol i dont care about my spelling right now, its annoying when you have this guy calling you and emailing about the car for a couple years has no interest in the car and just wants to bother you and annoy you thats all. Im sure you will be seeing pictures and posts on it here soon hes gone thru the car fixed and cleaned the car up a lot im happy it went to a great owner!!!

[bmwade]

Im sure you will be seeing pictures and posts on it here soon hes gone thru the car fixed and cleaned the car up a lot im happy it went to a great owner!!!


So your admitting the car was a piece of crap? From the mercedes forum it looks like the issues were as follows: "Wheels re done, oils changed, exhaust leaks fixed, AC is not working, radio was not working, and the title was not in hand yet."


We all knew about the title issues, and I think I saw the ac mentioned by someone, but the rest of these are icing on the cake! Who knows what else will come up! Plus it has been repainted...hope the buyer got a good deal! I can't wait to hear from him!!

[UrS6]

So your admitting the car was a piece of crap? From the mercedes forum it looks like the issues were as follows: "Wheels re done, oils changed, exhaust leaks fixed, AC is not working, radio was not working, and the title was not in hand yet."


We all knew about the title issues, and I think I saw the ac mentioned by someone, but the rest of these are icing on the cake! Who knows what else will come up! Plus it has been repainted...hope the buyer got a good deal! I can't wait to hear from him!!

Title is not going to be an issue

[10SecS4]

Please don't post erroneous information. I didn't put up any threads last month. I sold the car almost a year and a half ago. It was the current owner -- now the previous owner -- that started the thread and was trying to sell it. He was the one who actually requested that the admin take action and clean the thread because of all the misinformation and rumors that were posted.

For the record, when I owned it, it had a valid Minnesota title, registration, insurance card and state inspection. After I sold it, it had the same but in the state of Connecticut.


Well apparently the RS600 has a new owner and things are not so good.

I searched for that thread that 10secS4 put up last month but I think it was banned by admin.

Just wanted to put something out here to document the issues with the car for future reference. Pat has the AMG forum thread with the news on the car or I will post it up later.

Issues with getting the title are on the top of the list. Doh

[10SecS4]

It's easy to make statements like that some 5-6 years after the car was built. Back then it was "impossible" to put a 6-speed in an RS6 and people were only dreaming of it. You're comparing what you can build now in 2013 to what was built then, back in 2007-2008. Huge difference. As we all know this platform has advanced and there are probably no less than a dozen 6-speed RS6s in the country along with DIY kits, flywheels, adapters, etc. With that said and like I told you via PM, the Sportec car has a lot left in it. For whatever reason, it was tuned conservatively with low timing and low boost. Not sure where you're getting 22psi from, but that car never made anywhere near 22psi when I owned it in 2010-2011. It was spiking to 15-16 and holding only 11 at redline. I suspect the wastegates. You guys have to remember that German tuners like Sportec and MTM tune not only for performance but reliability and durability too. They have higher standards than we do here in the states. Put wastegates and a stronger tune on the car and I'm confident it would trap in the mid to high 120's. That car already pulled my 11.5@119 record breaking automatic RS6 by 3 car lengths from a roll. It's easy to compare dyno numbers but often dyno numbers do not jive with real world performance. For example, my nissan GTR ran 9.8 with stock turbos and only put down 563 to the wheels. Of course I was told by everyone on the GTR forums that I was a liar, this and that, but it's the truth. Before you cry foul about whose car is faster or this and that, you really ought to run your car at the dragstrip to get some bonafide numbers for it. I'm curious to see what your car traps anyway. Oh and one last thing, that car absolutely positively did have a clean CT title -- the guy I sold it to obtained it very easily as a matter of fact. I saw the title with my own two eyes.



Yes Dave, there are people here that have far more intimate knowlegde of this car than you or I, and prefer to stay anonymous. I"m OK with that and understand.
I was just posting my limited knowledge, experience, and opinion of the car and situation. MY opinion is: I can build a car like that for way less money and WAY less headaches. I'm not sayng the car is a POS, I'm just saying I don't think it's worth all the money people are trading for it. Good luck to anyone that obtains it. If nothing else, it is a piece of history now!!!

[10SecS4]

I love this thread. DHall should be nominated for drama queen and rumor monger of the year. Why? The current owner did not make any threads on the AMG Forums. He's actually very happy with it and enjoying it thoroughly based on his Facebook posts! It was his FRIEND with an E55 who's looking to race him that made a thread asking about whether he will beat the RS600. He responded by stating that the RS6 was not ready to race yet because the current owner was addressing a few things first, such as changing the oil and recharging the AC. NOWHERE was the current owner expressing dissatisfaction for the car - he wasn't even posting anywhere on the thread! Just more BS and bogus rumors being started by Dhall in an attempt to waste more time on Internet forums. Dave, seriously, why not join the rest of the old crotchy nannies on the knitting forums and argue with them all day and night?

The previous owner has ALREADY titled and registered this car in his home state of Michigan. At the time his friend posted about racing the RS6, he had not received the title in the mail yet and thus was not able to race the E55. Dave of course spun this off as trying to suggest he's having issues titling the car in Michigan. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Dave Hall, you really oughta be ashamed of yourself for concocting this completely false and fabricated story just to get attention and be the jealous drama queen that you are. 5K+ posts on an RS6 forum? Really?! Come on dude, don't you think it's time to get a life and get laid?

For those wanting to see the thread for themselves here's the link. It's no wonder Dave ignored another member when they asked Dave for him to post the link to the AMG thread: because Dave knew then people would see through the BS he just spun!!

http://m.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=501479

[lswing]

For whatever reason, it was tuned conservatively with low timing and low boost. Not sure where you're getting 22psi from, but that car never made anywhere near 22psi when I owned it in 2010-2011. It was spiking to 15-16 and holding only 11 at redline. I suspect the wastegates. You guys have to remember that German tuners like Sportec and MTM tune not only for performance but reliability and durability too. They have higher standards than we do here in the states. Put wastegates and a stronger tune on the car and I'm confident it would trap in the mid to high 120's. That car already pulled my 11.5@119 record breaking automatic RS6 by 3 car lengths from a roll. It's easy to compare dyno numbers but often dyno numbers do not jive with real world performance. For example, my nissan GTR ran 9.8 with stock turbos and only put down 563 to the wheels. Of course I was told by everyone on the GTR forums that I was a liar, this and that, but it's the truth. Before you cry foul about whose car is faster or this and that, you really ought to run your car at the dragstrip to get some bonafide numbers for it. I'm curious to see what your car traps anyway. Oh and one last thing, that car absolutely positively did have a clean CT title -- the guy I sold it to obtained it very easily as a matter of fact. I saw the title with my own two eyes.

Really? So you never figured/fixed your boost issue and beat your "record breaking" car? Three lengths, when and where, texas mile? Sounds fishy to me, and why the need to always bring up record breaking, what record? Just seems a bit sketchy man...sure it was a fast drag, but these cars are fast when running well. If dyno numbers are accurate then it relates directly to road, only issue being the driver/conditions.

I read the amg thread a while back, clearly rs600 was not sorted well, and even then might need help to be fast.

Although there's been plenty said against the car, true or not, your aggressive response with name calling, and the other dude who can't type, just isn't the tone I'd want to hear from a previous owner. What was the selling price btw, $30k or so? Might still have been a good deal with its mods...

[10SecS4]

There was no boost "issue" with the car. It was tuned conservatively. And no, I never pursued it. I actually lost interest in the car after having too many other projects going on such as a GTR, 911 Turbo, Gallardo and Viper.

When I sold the car to Mike, we did a highway pull on his way home. He beat my record holding 11.5 car by three cars on the highway. As for the record, here's the link to my Dragtimes entry. Quickest and fastest RS6 in the country:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Audi-RS-6-Timeslip-17901.html

We're not just talking ET but the trap speed is leaps and bounds faster than other RS6s. Just goes to show what a properly tuned RS6 is capable of. With a similar tune on the RS600, there's no reason why it shouldn't trap mid to high 120's.

I also ran 11.9@117 in a different RS6 that had over 200K miles on it with only one mod, a custom tune. That's the car I sold to Tim B. As far as I know, nobody else in the country has even gone 11's in an RS6, not even any of these guys putting 6-speeds in with way more mods than I ever had four years ago when I ran those times. A lot of the cars on this forum are dyno queens with no real performance data to back them up. To me, I could care less how much power my car puts down if it loses to cars with less power out in the real world. And it has happened many a time where my RS6 beat a car with much much more power. Here's an example:

http://youtu.be/QmsNIhgtxQI

This is why dyno numbers don't mean jack. Evo was making way more power yet still lost.

That's fine if you want to call it fishy. I call videos and timeslips proof, not fishy, but you're entitled to your own opinion. Just hope ya'll have fun staring at my taillights. ;)

Not sure of the exact selling price but I know it was significantly more than what the PO wanted. Apparently two people wanted it badly and got into a bidding war with one another. It's the kind of rare car that just cannot be duplicated.


Really? So you never figured/fixed your boost issue and beat your "record breaking" car? Three lengths, when and where, texas mile? Sounds fishy to me, and why the need to always bring up record breaking, what record? Just seems a bit sketchy man...sure it was a fast drag, but these cars are fast when running well. If dyno numbers are accurate then it relates directly to road, only issue being the driver/conditions.

I read the amg thread a while back, clearly rs600 was not sorted well, and even then might need help to be fast.

Although there's been plenty said against the car, true or not, your aggressive response with name calling, and the other dude who can't type, just isn't the tone I'd want to hear from a previous owner. What was the selling price btw, $30k or so? Might still have been a good deal with its mods...

[johnnie27]

[QUOTE=10SecS4;249819]There was no boost "issue" with the car. It was tuned conservatively. And no, I never pursued it. I actually lost interest in the car after having too many other projects going on such as a GTR, 911 Turbo, Gallardo and Viper.


I also ran 11.9@117 in a different RS6 that had over 200K miles on it with only one mod, a custom tune. That's the car I sold to Tim B. As far as I know, nobody else in the country has even gone 11's in an RS6, not even any of these guys putting 6-speeds in with way more mods than I ever had four years ago when I ran those times. A lot of the cars on this forum are dyno queens with no real performance data to back them up. To me, I could care less how much power my car puts down if it loses to cars with less power out in the real world. And it has happened many a time where my RS6 beat a car with much much more power. Here's an example:

http://youtu.be/QmsNIhgtxQI

This is why dyno numbers don't mean jack. Evo was making way more power yet still lost.

Dear My 10 sec ....just a quick digress if i may, from the boy in OZ ......do you offer any info on your tune, or can we access the tuner? is it you? a shop? would you mind shedding some light on it? i'd be keen to seek out a new tune if it all makes scene? thanks mate johnny

[10SecS4]

Sure, PM me for info on the tune.

[na1mt]

Guy in EVO didn't know how to drive...lol. He is bouncing off his rev limiter as you leave the line, as well as spitting raw fuel out his exhaust. Not hating on you or doubting your car or tune.....just making an observation on his car.

[lswing]

Still, the only way a car with more power beats one with less is the driver, nothing else. You make it sound as if you being in the car gives it magical powers. I do agree your times are fast, and sure you're a good driver. Just seems a bit odd. 11psi ain't pulling that fast in a drag.

Conservative tune?, 11psi, that's nothing really...makes no sense that a car barely over stock 8 psi is going to be that fast. Maybe your car stories are true, but your numbers seem to be off. Almost every tune that I've seen on here runs happily at 14-16psi, and when i have gone down to 12 there's direct power loss.

[lswing]

Guy in EVO didn't know how to drive...lol. He is bouncing off his rev limiter as you leave the line, as well as spitting raw fuel out his exhaust. Not hating on you or doubting your car or tune.....just making an observation on his car.

Exactly! Also "faster" car on paper doesn't guarantee it's running fast everyday...

[na1mt]

But I will also add that you DO know how to launch a car off the line.

[johnnie27]

Sure, PM me for info on the tune.
Pm sent , much thanks for the offer to assist

[10SecS4]

In all my testing and tuning, I found the car made more power and was faster with more timing and less boost. This helps keep the turbos in their effiency range and helps keep inlet temps down. Running more boost out of small turbos means they're working harder, tapering at redline and producing tons of heat. I tried dozens and dozens of different tune revisions before getting the car dialed in to the point where it ran the 11.5. Towards the end the car was actually a tenth or two quicker than the 11.5 according to the VCDS, but that's when the input shaft exploded when I tried upping the boost off the line and I gave up. Most if not all of the other tunes I data logged, such as APR and GIAC, ran way too much boost and nowhere near enough ignition timing. This is the biggest reason why I ran 11.5 and others on the forum ran low to mid 12's.

BTW, when I said 11psi at redline I was referring to the black Sportec RS600 car that was tuned by MTM. I did not tune that car. I only tuned my own grey automatic RS6, the car that ran the 11.5@119. If you search my posts on here, you'll find the exact boost and timing data points for my grey car.

As for the Evo owner not being able to drive, that's exactly my point: the most powerful car on the dyno doesn't always win out in the real world. Peak HP numbers is just one of many variables. If all the power makes the car difficult to drive, such in the case of the Evo, you can lose to a less powerful car. Or let's say with all that power you have traction issues or break something, again, the less powerful car wins. These are just a couple examples. There are many more.


Still, the only way a car with more power beats one with less is the driver, nothing else. You make it sound as if you being in the car gives it magical powers. I do agree your times are fast, and sure you're a good driver. Just seems a bit odd. 11psi ain't pulling that fast in a drag.

Conservative tune?, 11psi, that's nothing really...makes no sense that a car barely over stock 8 psi is going to be that fast. Maybe your car stories are true, but your numbers seem to be off. Almost every tune that I've seen on here runs happily at 14-16psi, and when i have gone down to 12 there's direct power loss.

[DHall1]

If you are making any reference to me calling and or emailing you for any reason let alone making an inquiry on the RS600. Then you should put away your crack pipe. I have made no calls or emails wasting any of your time with regards to the RS600.

Look what happens when I go out and get some popcorn. Go figure

I did not state that the car looked like it had a Maaco paint job. Other forum members did. So sorry

I also did not state that the car made barely over 400hp at known dyno event. Other forum members did. So sorry

Nor did I call you any names or make derogratory personal comments in your direction.

Is there anything else we need to cover here?


Lol i dont care about my spelling right now, its annoying when you have this guy calling you and emailing about the car for a couple years has no interest in the car and just wants to bother you and annoy you thats all. Im sure you will be seeing pictures and posts on it here soon hes gone thru the car fixed and cleaned the car up a lot im happy it went to a great owner!!!

[DHall1]

BS? Claims made as to how great this car was. How fast it was. How much money it was worth. Yet the A/C didnt work and it dynoed at 4 whatever and has a Maaco quality paint job.

Clearly you have the facts on your side. But please carry on. I have plenty of popcorn.


I love this thread. DHall should be nominated for drama queen and rumor monger of the year. Why? The current owner did not make any threads on the AMG Forums. He's actually very happy with it and enjoying it thoroughly based on his Facebook posts! It was his FRIEND with an E55 who's looking to race him that made a thread asking about whether he will beat the RS600. He responded by stating that the RS6 was not ready to race yet because the current owner was addressing a few things first, such as changing the oil and recharging the AC. NOWHERE was the current owner expressing dissatisfaction for the car - he wasn't even posting anywhere on the thread! Just more BS and bogus rumors being started by Dhall in an attempt to waste more time on Internet forums. Dave, seriously, why not join the rest of the old crotchy nannies on the knitting forums and argue with them all day and night?

The previous owner has ALREADY titled and registered this car in his home state of Michigan. At the time his friend posted about racing the RS6, he had not received the title in the mail yet and thus was not able to race the E55. Dave of course spun this off as trying to suggest he's having issues titling the car in Michigan. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Dave Hall, you really oughta be ashamed of yourself for concocting this completely false and fabricated story just to get attention and be the jealous drama queen that you are. 5K+ posts on an RS6 forum? Really?! Come on dude, don't you think it's time to get a life and get laid?

For those wanting to see the thread for themselves here's the link. It's no wonder Dave ignored another member when they asked Dave for him to post the link to the AMG thread: because Dave knew then people would see through the BS he just spun!!

http://m.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=501479

[lswing]

Getting my waders...and popcorn...

[bmwade]

I was just thinking, for such a great car, this thing gets passed around more than a cheap hooker. To the best of what I can tell its had between 5 - 7 owners?

[Erik]

Anyone see what I mean now?

Before anyone goes on, please THINK Before you post.

I'll let this thread live, but the length is totally dependent on the quality of the posts hereafter. Not only PRISM is watching ;)

[4everRS]

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab210/crocodile64/1C68021C-7B26-4A93-A284-9D98AB18A334-13910-00000406F2B71F46.jpg

[ttboost]

Yeah..feel free to close this thread whenever you please...I'm sure another will come along soon...they always do...

[Corbett]

Well apparently the RS600 has a new owner and things are not so good.

I searched for that thread that 10secS4 put up last month but I think it was banned by admin.

Just wanted to put something out here to document the issues with the car for future reference. Pat has the AMG forum thread with the news on the car or I will post it up later.

Issues with getting the title are on the top of the list. Doh

Can we delete this thread? Not even sure where this guy is getting his info. I waited a full week for a title which is standard for cars being plated in a new state lol.

[10SecS4]

You know, I heard the same thing too.....that this car has major issues... Major traction issues, that is. :race: :incar: :rs6kiss:


Can we delete this thread? Not even sure where this guy is getting his info. I waited a full week for a title which is standard for cars being plated in a new state lol.