The New Audi quattro.

[The Pretender]

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There are rumors that the TT will be ended in favor of the "new Audi quattro".
It would be based on the MQB platform to take over the TT slot in the Audi range, because the TT is not making the number it should be.
The "quattro concept" (very well liked) is not that much bigger then the TT Mk2 and the TT Mk3 would grow anyway, making the differences less then 10 cm wheelbase and overall length.
The "New Audi quattro" can be put higher up the Audi chain because it's more exclusive then the TT.

[RXBG]

new TT is signed off. this may be a bridge between the TT and R8.

[The Pretender]

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[The Pretender]

This car with the new V6 Bi-TFSI 475 hp engine would be a killer car.

[The Pretender]

Apperently it's back on, "The new Audi quattro", debut IAA Frankfurt.

http://fotos.autozeitung.de/750x562/images/bildergalerie/2013/05/AZ-12-2013-016-Audi-Concept.jpg

[The Pretender]

http://fotos.autozeitung.de/750x562/images/bildergalerie/2013/05/AZ-12-2013-Cover-2560.jpg

[RXBG]

translation please?

[The Pretender]

translation please?
Most is not readable but in short.
Debut at the IAA frankfurt, 4.0 V8 Bi-Turbo 650 hp, 1300 Kg, first new production model coming from Audi will be the "New quattro".
Not clear what other engines will be available.
All very vague.

[RXBG]

is that a reliable publication? is it perhaps going to be a new R8 concept? I doubt audi would put out a concept with no plans for production- and such a concept in a next gen a5/s5/rs5 bodystyle with such a weight and power (as pictured) just would not make sense since if it were ever produced would compete directly pricewise and performance wise with the r8.

[The Pretender]

The presentation of this car at the IAA 2013 would be a very appropriate vehicle for the purpose of promoting Audis' announced design signature revisions.
Various elements such as the front facia with its' shallow, horizontally accentuated headlamps and vertical side air intakes as well as the precisely indented shoulder line and ascending concave lower flank with sharply finned rocker panels will familiarize consumers with various themes that are sure to appear on most future Audi passenger cars.
In addition, recent "chatter" regarding future Audis' appears to have become a bit SUV "heavy".
I am pleased that Audi does not appear to have neglected sporting and elegant coupes/cabriolets/sedans in its' planned portfolio.

Found Quote.
Don't know if it is from the article.

[RXBG]

Qisha???

[chewym]

Not sure if it would use the V8TT, at that power level it would make the R8 irrelevant especially if that weight can be kept.

[tailpipe]

Will not use V8 TT, but may use new 3.0-litre V6 TT.

[RXBG]

probably a preview of the next gen RS5. my personal opinion is that the next gen a4 and a5 models will be inspired by the Quattro concept. the RS5 variant of the B9 platform will be the production version of the concept. with a screaming 475 hp V6 TT engine and a light chassis it will be a cracker.

[The Pretender]

I hope Audi will build the quattro concept and replace the A/S/RS5 Coupe with it, and make the Next Gen A5 "SportBack" ONLY.

[chewym]

I hope Audi will build the quattro concept and replace the A/S/RS5 Coupe with it, and make the Next Gen A5 "SportBack" ONLY.

I don't know, the A5 coupe and convertible are too sucessful to lose its basic models, it would be like MB cutting its C class and only keeping the C63 AMG blackseries or BMW only having the M4 CLS and 4 series GC. The more I think about I agree with RXBG that this is a preview of next gen A5 styling (closer to RS5). The yellow render looks great, much better than all other next gen A5 renders that basically have the current A5 shape with a new bumper and lights. It feels like the next A5 shouldn't bee too far away.

As with the previous concept I don't see where this would fit in the lineup, much too similar to the RS5 in looks and performance and most sources said that to achieve the target weight it would be more expensive than the R8 without its supercar design. The only way I see that Audi does a full on carbon fiber limited edition (say under 1,000 total production) is the R18 inspired hypercar.

[The Pretender]

http://www.autozeitung.de/sites/default/files/images/bildergalerie/2013/06/Audi-Quattro_Montage_NEU.jpg

[The Pretender]

Der VW-Konzern rüstet für die Frankfurter IAA 2013.
Heiße Messe-Neuheiten planen alle Marken, aber die Überraschung bietet Audi – einen extremen Leichtbau-Sportler im zackigen Coupé-Kleid.
Die Ingolstädter planen allen Ernstes die Serienversion.


Mit einem ultrasportlichen Kracher will Audi auf der Frankfurter IAA die Rivalen BMW und Mercedes schocken.
Streng geheim ist das Thema, das schon seit Wochen das Okay des Vorstands hat – und jetzt heftig die Ingolstädter Designer und Entwicklungsingenieure beschäftigt.
Es ist wirklich der Hammer: Audi plant quasi die Wiederauferstehung des legendären Sport Quattro von 1984.


Dazu wird jetzt Stück für Stück die heiß diskutierte Quattro Concept Studie von 2011 zu einem Serienmodell umgebaut, das schon in gut zwei Jahren – so lautet die aktuelle Vorgabe – in einer Kleinserien-Produktion starten soll.
Ein radikaler Sportler, wie es ihn bei Audi noch nie gab, soll es werden.
Deshalb bleibt kein Stein auf dem anderen.
Erstens wird die Karosse des 2+2-Sitzers noch viel schärfer und skulpturaler als die der Studie.
Der Racer, der den A5 als Basis nutzt, ist gut 4,40 Meter lang, rund 1,87 m breit und nur etwa 1,34 m hoch.
Zweitens soll die Leichtbau-Karosse einen ordentlichen Laderaum bieten.
Das ganze Auto, das auf einen Materialmix aus kohlefaserverstärktem Kunststoff (CFK), Aluminium und Magnesium setzt, dürfte nur um die 1300 Kilo wiegen.
Ein Audi-Manager: „Das wird ein magisches Auto.“


AUDI QUATTRO CONCEPT: BIS ZU 650 PS IN SICHT


Permanenter Allradantrieb ist Pflicht, und bei der Power will es Audi auf die Spitze treiben.
Denn unter der Motorhaube arbeitet nicht der 408 PS starke Fünfzylinder-Turbo aus der Studie, sondern die Antriebseinheit des RS 7.
Im Klartext: Der 300 km/h schnelle Super-Quattro erhält den 4,0 Liter großen Biturbo-V8, der hier dann sogar bis zu 650 PS abliefern soll (RS 7: 560 PS).
Und der kann sogar sparen, denn bei geringer bis mittlerer Last und Drehzahl werden die Zylinder 2, 3, 5 und 8 stillgelegt, indem die Ventile über elektro-mechanische Aktoren geschlossen werden.
Der Sprint von null auf Tempo 100? Wir rechnen mal mit 3,4 Sekunden.


Zudem soll der Quattro sensationelle Kurvenkünste offerieren – inklusive Sportdifferenzial an der Hinterachse sowie Kohlefaser- Keramik-Bremsscheiben.
Preislich soll das extreme Coupé (ein Roadster ist nicht geplant) das untere Level des R8 knacken, diskutiert werden rund 115.000 Euro.
In Relation zum bekannten Sportwagen soll der Quattro mehr Langstreckenkomfort bieten – die adaptive Dämpfung magnetic ride, die die Stoßdämpfer nach Bedarf variiert, ist an Bord.
Gebaut wird der Audi übrigens in Handarbeit bei der Neckarsulmer Quattro GmbH.

[RXBG]

0-62 in 3.4 seconds after all that power and weight information? that's depressing.

[The Pretender]

0-62 in 3.4 seconds after all that power and weight information? that's depressing.

3.4 seconds is a estimation by the magazine, not a fact.

[The Pretender]

This info say the new quattro use the floorplan of the new A6 but shortened to 4.63m.

http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/auto-motor-und-sport-Heft-14-2013-19-fotoshowImageNew-f9368e54-697425.jpg

[RXBG]

any more info on this one? I have a loaded question for Qisha- if you could have just one which one would you choose?

A- R8 V10 Plus

or

B- Audi Quattro

[The Pretender]

More info will be out just before the start of the IAA Frankfurt.

And on you question.
B: Audi quattro.

The R8 is a rebadged and re-shelled Lamborghini, nothing to do with a Audi.

[The Pretender]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x208/SKYSONY/Quattro_zpsf315c8cf.jpg

[The Pretender]

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles3/164146/projects/2468983/4c73a15c1a7d44afd90de10306dcba93.jpg

[The Pretender]

http://fourtitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/audi-quattro-sport-etron-concept-frankfurt-iaa-2013-47-960x480.jpg

First Peek: Audi quattro Sport e-tron Concept Bound for Frankfurt IAA - Fourtitude.com (http://fourtitude.com/news/audi-rumors-renders-spy-photos/first-peek-audi-quattro-sport-e-tron-concept-bound-for-frankfurt-iaa/)

[RXBG]

does anyone know if it will cost more than an audi r8 v10 plus?

[The Pretender]

does anyone know if it will cost more than an audi r8 v10 plus?

Yes, 200.000,- + Euro.

2013 Audi Quattro Concept confirmed for IAA (http://www.worldcarfans.com/113081461436/2013-audi-quattro-concept-confirmed-for-iaa)

[RXBG]

fourtitude reporting that an equally fast variant with no hybrid stuff will likely be made. i'd be tempted. also- a manual offering would be heaven sent.

[The Pretender]

I like the Hybrid configuration.
I'm very interested in the tech layout of it.

The idea of a version with only a 4.0TFSI and manual gearbox would be heaven on earth.

[The Pretender]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/ff3dc2353ca0964871fbfe03cfec33a8/tumblr_mrj4nrLEpe1rn9xfdo1_r1_1280.jpg

[ChicagoAudi]

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More horsepower than a Porsche 918 or BMW i8!

[The Pretender]

Yep, 600 hp 4.0 TFSI V8 engeine in combination with a ± 170 hp electric motor, making 770 hp and 1000 Nm (737 lb-ft) of torque.

2013 Audi Quattro Concept confirmed for IAA (http://www.worldcarfans.com/113081461436/2013-audi-quattro-concept-confirmed-for-iaa)

[The Pretender]

http://fotos.autozeitung.de/938x704/images/bildergalerie/2013/08/AZ-18-2013-Audi-quattro-sport-e-tron-Vorstellung_0.jpg

[darkop]

More horsepower than a Porsche 918 or BMW i8!

Since when?! 918's got ~890PS.
Let's Audi build this for real! I am quite bored of seeing only cool concepts from them...

[ChicagoAudi]

Since when?! 918's got ~890PS.
Let's Audi build this for real! I am quite bored of seeing only cool concepts from them...

Let me correct to state that the horsepower is greater than the 918 before its horsepower boost. Porsche needed to boost the horsepower for the 918 because it quickly became an also-run compared to the McLaren P1 and Ferrari la Ferrari.

[RXBG]

some say 700 hp total and others say 836 hp total. someone is wrong. I believe the former. this car would cost well over that of the aventador with the latter hp and it doesn't look like it is a 500K car.

[youry]

this will end up like many concepts..... stay as a concept or becomes a more standard car with far less hps..... at the ned concepts I wonder why there are used for only to give nice cheese to the dog only to remove it when he is ready to bite....

[The Pretender]

The electric motor is ± 170 hp + power from the 4.0 TFSI is ranging from 560 up to 650 hp.

[chewym]

this will end up like many concepts..... stay as a concept or becomes a more standard car with far less hps..... at the ned concepts I wonder why there are used for only to give nice cheese to the dog only to remove it when he is ready to bite....

I agree, i just don't see how it fits into the lineup. Overshadows the R8 with those power levels but no supercar looks for the likely hefty pricetag. If Audi makes anything above the R8 it would have to be as wild as the "R20" idea being floated around by the different magazines. Even without the hybrid part there isn't much room between the RS5 and the R8 which is why the R4 and R6 never happened even though many sources claimed they would. Should be a cool concept though and I would think the next RS5 will look like a slightly bigger version.

[The Pretender]

I would like to see this Audi quattro sport above the R8.
The R8 is nothing more then a rebadged Lamborghini Gallardo with no Audi DNA what so ever.

[chewym]

I would like to see this Audi quattro sport above the R8.
The R8 is nothing more then a rebadged Lamborghini Gallardo with no Audi DNA what so ever.

Well it's got Audi engines and the Gallardo has Audi nav/etc. The quattro would be a hard sell at 200k plus.

[ChicagoAudi]

I would like to see this Audi quattro sport above the R8.
The R8 is nothing more then a rebadged Lamborghini Gallardo with no Audi DNA what so ever.

Funny that the Gallardo was considered an Audi badged as a Lamborghini. Most of the engineering work was handled by Audi engineers.

[chewym]

Much cleaner and less wild than pretty much every rendering out there. My guess is that next A5 will have a strong resemblance and I am guessing the wheelbase will be the same.

https://www.audi-mediaservices.com/publish/ms/content/en/public/pressemitteilungen/2013/09/04/audi_sport_quattro.html

[ChicagoAudi]

Much cleaner and less wild than pretty much every rendering out there. My guess is that next A5 will have a strong resemblance and I am guessing the wheelbase will be the same.

https://www.audi-mediaservices.com/publish/ms/content/en/public/pressemitteilungen/2013/09/04/audi_sport_quattro.html

More importantly, this car is rumored built on the MLB evo platform underpinning the next generation of longitudinal engined cars. Notice the short overhangs that are closer to BMW than current Audis. Is this set-up closer in concept to the system used in the Porsche Panamera with the front axle passing through the engine sump versus the engine hanging forward of the front axle and differential? If so, a major leap in handling is possible.

[RXBG]

this car is going nowhere. you can be as politically correct and polite about it but that is the truth. just another styling exercise to gauge reactions to it's design and powertrain. the truth is no one is crazy about hybrids. the i8 at least looks sporty. this car looks downright homely. the retro-futuristic theme is not working for it. it doesn't make it desirable. they say audi had greenlighted it for production even before showing it to us? we'll see. this car will probably end up like the R8 e-tron. i really hope the new Q7 ushers a better design language in. about the only exciting new thing audi has going on right now is the new A3.

bottom line- 700 hp and 4000 lbs? 5.7 power to weight vs my 6.3 in the R8. it'll be faster but not more desirable. the light at the end of the tunnel is that audi does seem to be progressing with lightweight design. this car seats four and has a heavy battery pack. the next R8 will be much lighter.

i had called the local dealer to give a deposit on this car when I saw the article on fourtitude. i think I drank the Kool-Aid to soon. if they call me back I am not giving my credit card number.

[The Pretender]

Big disappointment compare the the design sketches.
Like the 2010 quattro Concept version much better in every way, hoped for so much more.

This car make you think what they will do to the next TT, i'm not very hope full for something good.

[ChicagoAudi]

Big disappointment compare the the design sketches.
Like the 2010 quattro Concept version much better in every way, hoped for so much more.

This car make you think what they will do to the next TT, i'm not very hope full for something good.

The design language works well considering it is an amalgamation of the original Sport Quattro from the 1980s and with current and next generation design elements. Wolfgang Egger is an extremely talented designer and he will impress us with the next generation of Audis. The C7 A6 has more of his influence than the C7 A7 and the difference is very noticeable. Furthermore, many had expressed reservations about the A5/S5 when it was released and when de Silva stated it was his most beautiful design; however, the car remains popular and stunning today.

[The Pretender]

Taste is all very personal.
I still see the A5 as the worst Audi design from the last decade, don't like it one bit.
It looks ponderous and heavy IMHO.

[chewym]

Taste is all very personal.
I still see the A5 as the worst Audi design from the last decade, don't like it one bit.
It looks ponderous and heavy IMHO.

I am (and many others I would think) gonna have to disagree, the A5 (pre facelift in particular) is the best Audi design.

[ChicagoAudi]

I am (and many others I would think) gonna have to disagree, the A5 (pre facelift in particular) is the best Audi design.

Agree - the Audi A5/S5 is one of the more popular Audis in Chicago and probably even outnumbers the lower priced A4/S4.

[S6V10Avant]

What a disappointment !! The performance is very poor considering the high output, and of course a result of the very high weight. And the transmission - tiptronic ?? The former quattro concept was so much better - in every way! This car will not sell.

[The Pretender]

It's al a matter of taste, and i don't like the A5 one bit or a lot of other Audi's from the last decade, they are mostly boring without any imagination.
I don't like evolution the way VAG does, i'm more of a revolution kind of guy.
If something is new it has to look new and not something that is just a fine tune of the previous one.

[The RS6]

It's al a matter of taste, and i don't like the A5 one bit or a lot of other Audi's from the last decade, they are mostly boring without any imagination.
I don't like evolution the way VAG does, i'm more of a revolution kind of guy.
If something is new it has to look new and not something that is just a fine tune of the previous one.

Well my frend, there's always Lexus :)

Audi, and all germans have always been about evolution. They can't afford revolution...

[The Pretender]

Well my frend, there's always Lexus :)


Yes, LFA very nice.

[ChicagoAudi]

Well my frend, there's always Lexus :)

Audi, and all germans have always been about evolution. They can't afford revolution...

Lexus is about revolution? There is nothing revolutionary about Lexus other than the now out-of-production, very limited edition LFA. The rest of the product line is worst than milquetoast beige.

[The Pretender]

The drawings are so cool, but the car itself no so.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/b1b4190934589a29298222f7b6b9deef/tumblr_msmg3jv3u21rn9xfdo1_1280.jpg

[chewym]

What a disappointment !! The performance is very poor considering the high output, and of course a result of the very high weight. And the transmission - tiptronic ?? The former quattro concept was so much better - in every way! This car will not sell.

The performance figures are super conservative, I don't know why Audi would go so conservative with specs on a concept. I mean the S8 with less horsepower from the gas engine minus the electric boost and plus a lot more weight gets to 60 mph in about 3.5 seconds in US testing, not sure what the best European magazine has recorded but my guess is about 4 seconds to 100. My educated guess is the real time is about a second better depending if this hypothetically goes to production and has launch control or not.

I think the Lexus comment came from this Frankfurt concept

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/04/lexus-lf-nx-crossover-concept-frankfurt/

Methinks the production small CUV from Lexus is going to look just a little bit different from its concept while if this goes to production it wouldn't require much changes. Think Audi Le Mans concept to R8. *Audi also quoted a 0-100 kmh time of 3.7 seconds for that concept even with a twin turbo V10 but we know that even the regular R8 V10 has bettered that claim even without turbos.

[RXBG]

Lexus is about revolution? There is nothing revolutionary about Lexus other than the now out-of-production, very limited edition LFA. The rest of the product line is worst than milquetoast beige.

I am not a Lexus enthusiast, but the new GS and especially the new IS are pretty nice cars. I beg to differ.

[ChicagoAudi]

I am not a Lexus enthusiast, but the new GS and especially the new IS are pretty nice cars. I beg to differ.

The original LS was the only Lexus that deserves much respect as it changed the goalposts in terms of quality and value. Appearance is not the equivalent of technological achievement.

[The Pretender]

http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/8/3/6/0/5/4/AUTO-BILD-36-2013-729x486-4790952134d49c4f.jpg


http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/8/3/6/0/5/4/AUTO-BILD-36-2013-729x486-3b361f12bab966b8.jpg

[ChicagoAudi]

It is a handsome car; however, the plug-in hybrid component has added significant weight to what should be a relatively lightweight vehicle.

The general trend of most automakers to add a front vent illustrates that aerodynamic necessity leads to almost identical solutions.

[The Pretender]

More to my liking.

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9050/sgcz.jpg

[The Pretender]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-gZ9kI3IxpX8/UjIH6xaQ3tI/AAAAAAAOKMQ/h0D-oI7kets/s1600/Audi-Sport-QUattro-Production-Rendering-1%25255B4%25255D.jpg

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http://lh6.ggpht.com/-y25Gyam2dWU/UjIH-uoZ9yI/AAAAAAAOKMw/5Cb2ZJpy96A/s1600/Audi-Sport-QUattro-Production-Rendering-3%25255B4%25255D.jpg