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lswing

May 31st, 2012, 04:21

Got a chance to drop the boost on my tune. Well, no knock as before, still negative timing leading to boost being pulled, learning the system pretty good. No lambda's on this one, but they were looking good a few weeks ago since adding the water/meth.

The boost did drop a few pounds, and the car feels just as fast, but still has some little bumps. At least I can clearly see them in the log, and there is no knock.

I am surprised the timing is being pulled back so much, with decent temps, and enough fuel I believe since the lambda's looked fine before. What is going to be the trick to keeping that timing up, higher octane? Cooler air?

Hope the log numbers aren't too small, I might trim some and reload if it is, thanks!

12657

4everRS

May 31st, 2012, 05:44

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3520
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Thtl%

100
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Timing

15.8
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B1actual

0.835
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B1request

0.845
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0.855
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B2reqest

0.84
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specified

1960
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actual

1950
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These are from yesterday. APR set on 100 octane with meth. Using 93 octane BP fuel. I really can't believe how much timing I'm getting above 6k.

Just so you can compare.

4everRS

May 31st, 2012, 06:01

After taking a quick glance through your numbers I am a bit stumped. I would have to say octane and boost. So, you dropped in a couple lbs and still at almost 2100 mbar? That's pushing it. Especially if you are only using 91. My boost is lower, but the timing is fantastic.

I wouldn't mind getting 50 to 100 more mbar, but APR doesn't have an avenue for it. I'd like to see what that does to the timing. My bet is that it would make a big difference.

edit: you can also notice my stock DV's getting weak at high RPM's.

lswing

May 31st, 2012, 06:53

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Basically I see you running more timing, therefore increasing the possibility of it not hitting negative if the other parameters are correct (ie octane, air temp, fuel). There is no knock at all, so I should be able to run more timing, although the ecu chart will also compensate. I'm running 92 octane, and a 50/50 wm mix, similar to you.

Think I'll add a bit more timing and log tomorrow, really just looking to smooth it out, don't really need the extra 5hp, car is fast as all get out...

Edit; maybe just dropping another few pounds of boost will smooth it out, keep the timing since the boost won't be increasing so much...

kismetcapitan

May 31st, 2012, 06:53

I have no experience mapping the RS6 engine, but there is an irony in timing at higher RPMs - you actually have to start adding timing to keep up with the increased piston velocity. I've seen some cars where piston velocity wasn't compensated for, and lack of top-end power was the result of late timing - the flamefront would actually end up chasing the piston, rather than pushing the piston!

btw, are the timing logs absolute timing, or the timing added or subtracted from a base timing (say, 20 degrees BTDC?)

4everRS

May 31st, 2012, 14:54

btw, are the timing logs absolute timing, or the timing added or subtracted from a base timing (say, 20 degrees BTDC?)
The latter. Degrees BTDC.

Let's not forget, timing can have a bigger impact on power than boost. However, I would sure like to get 1 more psi and see what my tune will do to the timing. If it cuts it by any significant amount, I would turn the boost back.

lswing

May 31st, 2012, 15:55

Yes, my experience with tuners/tuning, power comes from timing, you just need enough fuel/air/temp to keep it good. I'd be interested to see your log earlier in the boost. When my boost starts to come on, my timing is around 35 iirc. Also keep in mind, if we're logging our cars with the w/m spraying, we should be prepared (not too aggressive a tune) for something to happen or run out of fluid. Better to be on the safe side than risk damage by the w/m not spraying. I do have a 2.5 gallon tank, but you never know when a pump could fail, or nozzle clog.

That said, I'm tempted to bring my timing up a bit, on the fence, hmmm.....

lswing

May 31st, 2012, 16:04

4everRS, what file format are you exporting in to get the clean post?

Also, I noticed the log I posted didn't hit negative timing, the other few did, right around where my timing gets to single digits.

And...notice how my boost pressure stays high all the way through, that's with stock DV's. You are running less boost, yet it's trailing off up there. You do have more timing though, with less boost, so who's gonna win the race:) Looking at a couple of nicely tuned RS6's here I'm thinking...

hahnmgh63

May 31st, 2012, 16:57

I'd be curious to see your Lambda values now. The timing is better with the Boost lowered slightly but now what is the fuel mixture doing....better than before I would say but would the timing increase more if you richen the mixture more?

lswing

May 31st, 2012, 17:04

hahn, been waiting for your input, thanks. The SPS is a nice little tool, so glad to be able to adjust things. I'll get another lambda log soon to confirm what the fuel is doing. From what I saw a few weeks back the w/m brought the values way up and steady.

After talking with a few tuners, it seems the ECU is going to pull timing as boost goes up, just how the map works. So if I can start with more timing with boost as is, timing might stay in the double digits, as long as the w/m is spraying, adding octane and cooling...

Brav

May 31st, 2012, 17:50

What were your SPS settings for this run?

lswing

May 31st, 2012, 17:54

What were your SPS settings for this run?

5-3-6 SPS Setting

92 Octane

50/50 wm, full spray by 8lbs boost, two D05 nozzles

QuattroRS

June 1st, 2012, 07:15

lswing

June 1st, 2012, 16:00

You should log the EGT values at some point. Need a full throttle run in 2nd and 3rd gears...find a long road.

Timing is not the best at this point and need to see the 02 values again.

I know it may not be what your looking for but how long do you mess around with a tune that is not working? Try the Eurocharge tune for 400 bucks and if it does not solve your problems then return it. Or the 2000 dollar APR for that matter. Running high boost and low timing is not the best route for long term engine life. IMHO This current process seems to be dragging on and on with band-aids on top of band-aids.

Do you have much experience with tuning, and what tune are you running? Never heard of someone wanting a pull in 2nd. I would welcome some more detailed advice if you have any though. And we've discussed that the timing is too low and the boost just a touch high.

I do plan on checking the EGT's again, but they looked great even before turning the boost down. What do you mean by 02 value? Interesting reading the Revo manual, they suggest logging the Correction Factor as the primary was to set timing. This is a good point as the ECU is going to be making changes to the engine much faster than the software can log. I'll check my CF this weekend and post a log regarding the details of that.

Not really sure what you mean about dragging on and band-aids, I would call it perfecting a tune. Adding the w/m has nothing but good benefits across the board, and that is the only engine mod, have you ever tried it? Everything is running really good and tight, so I've been able to run more boost than needed. The Revo tune works pretty darn good actually, the previous owner just had it set a bit high in boost. The fuel map could be a bit better, but the performance of the tune is pretty amazing!

I'm planning on adding a bit more timing and will get some more logs this weekend. It's only so often that I really need to stomp on the car and get to 100 as fast as possible, but I do want it to be butter smooth when that happens:)

4everRS

June 1st, 2012, 17:24

lswing

June 1st, 2012, 17:31

lswing,
QuattroRS' statements are very reasonable. The reason your not getting more timing is likely because something is not allowing your ecu to add more. That something could very well be fueling. You likely need more fuel. A primary way a boosted engine fails is due to inadequate fueling. A lean mixture can be good for power, but it generates a ton of heat. The tops of the pistons can start to melt. The ring landings can stress too much and break. The valves heads can break off. This is usually caused by too lean a mixture. The safety of the engine is more important than 20 hp.

Yep, I agree with all that. The timing is set low by the tune right now, so why not bring it up? The EGT and Lamba levels look very good. I've been under the impression that the ECU pull back timing as the boost increases, no matter what.

So, no knock, or high temps, or running lean, just timing being pulled since there is not enough to go with the boost?

4everRS

June 1st, 2012, 17:43

Ok, we haven't seen the new lambda voltages, so it's hard to come to an answer without seeing them.

Also, I really have no idea why the tune would ever want that low of timing. I don't care where it's set. The tune shouldn't even allow it that low without some kind of reason like detonation. That's my opinion.

You need to get more timing. If you can do that by simply changing the setting, great.

lswing

June 1st, 2012, 18:39

Yep, I can add in timing with the Revo interface. That's why I was interested in seeing your log earlier on, wanting to know what timing you were starting with. My guess is you've got the same or more timing, and we know a few pounds less boost.

The timing is getting so low due to the ECU protecting itself as the boost goes up, built in on the Audi side is my belief. Some of this is due to my imbalance of boost (too much) compared to timing (not enough). By reducing timing it makes the explosion safer on the piston if I'm not mistaken.

I'll log CF, timing angle, lambda, knock, EGT, and boost in a few separate pulls.

EDIT; Thanks for all the info/hashing this out!

lswing

June 3rd, 2012, 04:26

Even better, input please. I might just call it good though. Boots is 2bar, here's the timing, fueling, and egt's, all looking really good and the car was very smooth. This was an adjust from 4 to 5 with the Revo SPS timing option. Now running, 5-5-6 for sps settings.

12666

QuattroRS

June 3rd, 2012, 04:28

I dont see people with APR or Eurocharge having any problems with boost, timing, egt, fuel or "bumps" in the tune. What I run means nothing but I have one of the above tunes and its been perfect for several years. You have seen the timing curve of a well tuned APR RS6 and the Eurocharge is very close to those numbers. A band-aid is hoping a water/meth injection will fix a lean run condition or help timing advance that is way off when other tunes have no problem with fueling or timing without any water/meth additions.

The above is still lean and you're happy with 865 degrees egt by 5600rpm?

lswing

June 3rd, 2012, 04:47

How about you help me with some good info instead of the complaining. It would be great! So do you want to offer up good info that would help others, seems like you know some good stuff.

So what should I be looking at for EGT's? What are yours, please post numbers.

The A/F is actually set a bit lean, as set by the Revo tune for more power. You may like how your tune feels/looks on paper, but is mine faster?

The w/m is to run more power, I could easily turn this tune down, but obviously I'm not looking to.

So....what is the leanest lambda number?

What is the highest EGT?

What is the lowest timing number?

Why don't you have a water meth kit?:)

QuattroRS

June 3rd, 2012, 04:54

Clearly you have taken the Revo koolaid. You asked for feedback...those numbers are still lean and I would not run those EGT temps by 5600rpm. That is all I can help you with.

lswing

June 3rd, 2012, 05:00

Ughh, I'm just running the tune that was on my car, give up some numbers of yours, or do you not have them. And why don't you trying running water meth, it would give you more power and protect your engine. I'm going to assume you work for APR or Euro and are simply instigating. You've never started a relevant post on here, and how about updating your location? Trolling the board and complaining really doesn't help anyone.

I actually find this stuff very interesting, not really sure why you can't offer positive input?

QuattroRS

June 3rd, 2012, 05:24

I'm not the one looking for help nor do I work for APR or Euro. If I needed help I would post a thread. Good luck with your ride. I have more logs than most on this board but others have posted APR logs and you still dont get it. I cant help that

lswing

June 3rd, 2012, 05:30

Your lack of contribution is unfortunate, hopefully you treat those in your community better than me on this forum. You've actually turned this from a positive learning experience, to a negative forum experience with your consistent negative input, or lack thereof really, good luck there mate...

lswing

June 3rd, 2012, 08:19

Clearly you have taken the Revo koolaid. You asked for feedback...those numbers are still lean and I would not run those EGT temps by 5600rpm. That is all I can help you with.

Clearly you have taken the turd koolaid....stop being an ass and offer some info or stfu...:)

QuattroRS

June 3rd, 2012, 13:07

Again, you're the one coming on looking for help. When you get advice that you dont wish to hear then you start an argument with the poor chap and start calling names. Grow up please. You say the above numbers are good and things are better. Well the numbers are lean and the egt somewhat high. You have seen APR logs and they are much different but you want some poor chap on a board to lay out the yellow brick road and lead you to promise land. There is no promise land....you put logs up and you get advice. Take it with a grain of salt because I dont think anyone will help you at this point.

lswing

June 3rd, 2012, 15:17

Why would you call yourself a poor chap, you've been a jerk about this, really? And the yellow brick road and promise(d) land, really? You seem to have forgot any sense of helping someone out, or discussion for the point of learning, very unfortunate. I'm calling APR sales bs on this one, that's about all you are offering. I know it's pointless to squabble online, I've just never got such negative feedback off this board. It's a tune for Christ's sake, it's adjustable, and that's what makes it interesting. If it's too lean or high on egt temp that can be changed. These numbers also represent power, the more you push a car the closer to the edge they will be.

What's interesting is the a/f ratio could be richer, .91, but tuning for power runs leaner. If i increase to .91 I would loose a touch of power, but the EGT's should be cooler. I've been searching for what an acceptable egt is, and might just flash back to stock numbers one day to log some data for reference.

4everRS

June 3rd, 2012, 16:17

lswing, we all have favorite tuners. I am obviously biased towards APR, you to REVO. We have now seen multiple posts about your logs. From near the beginning of your ownership you've had issues with timing, boost, or other. Consider this constructive critism. After a while, a person can start to wonder.

I can tell you that your new BFF doesn't work for APR, or use their products. I will also say that a low post count doesn't mean you don't know about these cars. Also, because someone has a lot of posts doesn't mean we know tuning better than someone else. I know you didn't say anything about that.

lswing

June 3rd, 2012, 16:29

Ha, yes, I think we're having coffee soon...I'm not so much biased as just interested in the details. For me, I bought an over-tuned car, and have been making it better/safer since. I could reduce, add, or change a variety of numbers to make it just right, and enjoy looking for that sweet spot in a tune. You've offered up logs and details that have been very helpful, some others not so much.

4everRS

June 6th, 2012, 03:31

Did some logging tonight fyi. 3rd gear pull to redline.

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x:num>445</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>1920</TD><TD align=right x:num>24.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.68</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.69</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.13500000000000001">0.135</TD><TD align=right x:num="9.5000000000000001E-2">0.095</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>1880</TD><TD align=right x:num>20.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.78</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.125">0.125</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.13500000000000001">0.135</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>1800</TD><TD align=right x:num>14.3</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.83499999999999996">0.835</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.84499999999999997">0.845</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>1800</TD><TD align=right x:num>16.5</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.77</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.78500000000000003">0.785</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>1800</TD><TD align=right x:num>14.3</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.745">0.745</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.76</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.77500000000000002">0.775</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.77</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>1840</TD><TD align=right x:num>20.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.74</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.75</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.75</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.75</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>1880</TD><TD align=right x:num>21</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.76500000000000001">0.765</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.75</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.78500000000000003">0.785</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.70499999999999996">0.705</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>1920</TD><TD align=right x:num>22.5</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.78500000000000003">0.785</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.78500000000000003">0.785</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>1960</TD><TD align=right x:num>20.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.79</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>450</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>1960</TD><TD align=right x:num>22.5</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>450</TD><TD align=right x:num>445</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2000</TD><TD align=right x:num>22.5</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>450</TD><TD align=right x:num>450</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2040</TD><TD align=right x:num>22.5</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>450</TD><TD align=right x:num>450</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2040</TD><TD align=right x:num>19.5</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.81499999999999995">0.815</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.79</TD><TD align=right x:num>450</TD><TD align=right x:num>450</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2080</TD><TD align=right x:num>19.5</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>455</TD><TD align=right x:num>450</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2120</TD><TD align=right x:num>21.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>455</TD><TD align=right x:num>455</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2160</TD><TD align=right x:num>21.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>455</TD><TD align=right x:num>455</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2200</TD><TD align=right x:num>21.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>460</TD><TD align=right x:num>455</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2240</TD><TD align=right x:num>21</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>460</TD><TD align=right x:num>455</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2280</TD><TD align=right x:num>20.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>460</TD><TD align=right x:num>460</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2320</TD><TD align=right x:num>21</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.81499999999999995">0.815</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.79</TD><TD align=right x:num>460</TD><TD align=right x:num>460</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2320</TD><TD align=right x:num>21</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.79</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.81499999999999995">0.815</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>465</TD><TD align=right x:num>465</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2400</TD><TD align=right x:num>17.3</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.78500000000000003">0.785</TD><TD align=right x:num>465</TD><TD align=right x:num>465</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2440</TD><TD align=right x:num>18</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.81499999999999995">0.815</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>470</TD><TD align=right x:num>470</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2480</TD><TD align=right x:num>14.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.79</TD><TD align=right x:num>470</TD><TD align=right x:num>470</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2520</TD><TD align=right x:num>19.5</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.82499999999999996">0.825</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>475</TD><TD align=right x:num>475</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2520</TD><TD align=right x:num>15</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.83</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.82499999999999996">0.825</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.84499999999999997">0.845</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.83</TD><TD align=right x:num>475</TD><TD align=right x:num>480</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2600</TD><TD align=right x:num>14.3</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.84499999999999997">0.845</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.85</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.85499999999999998">0.855</TD><TD align=right x:num>480</TD><TD align=right x:num>480</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2640</TD><TD align=right x:num>19.5</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.85</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>485</TD><TD align=right x:num>485</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2640</TD><TD align=right x:num>14.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.85</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.85499999999999998">0.855</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>485</TD><TD align=right x:num>485</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2720</TD><TD align=right x:num>14.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.85</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.87</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>490</TD><TD align=right x:num>490</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2760</TD><TD align=right x:num>13.5</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.85499999999999998">0.855</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>495</TD><TD align=right x:num>495</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2760</TD><TD align=right x:num>17.3</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.85499999999999998">0.855</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>495</TD><TD align=right x:num>495</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2840</TD><TD align=right x:num>15</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.85499999999999998">0.855</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>500</TD><TD align=right x:num>500</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2880</TD><TD align=right x:num>12</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.85499999999999998">0.855</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.87</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.85499999999999998">0.855</TD><TD align=right x:num>505</TD><TD align=right x:num>505</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2920</TD><TD align=right x:num>12</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.85</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.85499999999999998">0.855</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.87</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>505</TD><TD align=right x:num>505</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>2960</TD><TD align=right x:num>17.3</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.85499999999999998">0.855</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.87</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>510</TD><TD align=right x:num>510</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>3000</TD><TD align=right x:num>13.5</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.87</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>515</TD><TD align=right x:num>515</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>3040</TD><TD align=right x:num>15</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.85499999999999998">0.855</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.88</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>515</TD><TD align=right x:num>515</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>3040</TD><TD align=right x:num>15</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num>515</TD><TD align=right x:num>515</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>3040</TD><TD align=right x:num>15</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.87</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num>520</TD><TD align=right x:num>520</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>3120</TD><TD align=right x:num>16.5</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.88</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num>525</TD><TD align=right x:num>525</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>3160</TD><TD align=right x:num>15.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.87</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num>530</TD><TD align=right x:num>525</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>3200</TD><TD align=right x:num>16.5</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.88</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num>530</TD><TD align=right 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x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.88</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.87</TD><TD align=right x:num>625</TD><TD align=right x:num>615</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>4440</TD><TD align=right x:num>15</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.88</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num>625</TD><TD align=right x:num>620</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17 align=right x:num>4440</TD><TD align=right x:num>15.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.86</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.87</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.88</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.86499999999999999">0.865</TD><TD align=right x:num>630</TD><TD align=right x:num>620</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

4everRS

June 6th, 2012, 03:32

4everRS

June 6th, 2012, 03:44

I almost forgot the boost:

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lswing

June 6th, 2012, 05:04

Thanks! Those are great looking numbers! Nice to see how the timing stays up, and egt's down. No doubt that's a great tune, and with the wm added in, even better.

I've been reading what I can, probably need more fuel in my case, will reduce the egt's, and possibly keep timing up?

Our timing starts about the same, but mine really gets pulled back, intake cooling should be similar, and boost is too. Fuel or target afr maybe? Thanks again!

Oh yea, what's your method for posting the log?

lswing

June 6th, 2012, 05:15

Hmmm, with my lamda's just being just .1 average lower, doesn't seem like my fuel is that far off though. Temps are already 50c higher at 2k, another hmmm, just running hotter because?, it was about 65 when I did my last log.

4everRS

June 6th, 2012, 05:26

Your welcome. As enthusiasts, some of us care a lot about these cars, wether or not they're ours. I value Quattro's viewpoint as the few posts he has made, are spot on every time. Even if they may seem a little blunt.

You need to get familiar with lemmiwinks. 1600'F is too hot. And thats only at 5600 rpm. Its probably getting near 2000 at redline. A short run here and there may not produce any damage, but any extended heavy throttle use could. Do not track or autocross your car before adding fuel. More fuel will enhance your timing and keep things cooler. Also remember that octane makes a big difference in these conditions.

As far as posting logs, in excel, go to file and something like "preview as web page", then copy and paste. Obviously cut out some of the redundant, irrelevant columns first. I'm on my iPhone now so my description isn't perfect.

4everRS

June 6th, 2012, 05:28

4everRS

June 6th, 2012, 05:51

Ok. I need to clarify something I said in post 36. You won't hit 2000'F. The ecu will start to dump fuel to save the motor around 950'C, or 1740'F. Wayyyy too hot. In block 112 you'll see if there is a fuel correction. If you see that as temps rise, the ecu is stepping in. Not ideal.

lswing

June 6th, 2012, 06:14

Yep, gotcha on the dump fuel when the egt's get to high, have not hit past 880...and don't want the engine in panic mode for sure.

So what about this idea. The Revo tune runs lean, and hot, but they are tuning for more power, not considering the engine/turbo life? My AFR is actually set below the highest target, which is .91. Maybe I should adjust my target up, at least for safety sake.

And I could add more timing since I have no knock, which could also cool things down, but I've heard that too much timing can reduce power, and the real issue is that timing being pulled. Tough to say, clearly my ideal balance is a bit off, but the power is certainly there. I figure as long as I'm not doing sustained high speed runs with the egt's at 800+ things should be fine wear wise...

Your numbers to provide an excellent target point. I just need some time to adjust and log, looking forward to the weekend....

QuattroRS

June 6th, 2012, 06:40

That amount of a/f ratio difference is huge. The size of the grand canyon huge. The difference between melting your pistons and having a RS6 to drive next week huge.

Take a target point rpm.

5600rpm. You are already running 1580 degrees egt. 1310 for APR. That is a difference of 270 degrees and that is only by 5600rpm. You must understand metal fatigue?

The difference between .79v and .86v at wot on the RS6 is the difference between driving your car next month or tearing it apart to rebuild.

I could give a flying turd what tune you run on your car. Just dont discount the difference between ideal data and present poor data as good enough. Its close enough or thats not much difference. The difference is huge and your car is dead lean and running too high egts. IMHO. Thats all.

Maybe 4ever is a shill for APR too? The euro guys have similar logs as do the Viper guys. I think they are all APR shills. I almost forgot about the OCT guys....another good tune for the RS6. The weather makes no difference in your egt values. Just pay someone to properly tune your car before its too late.

Hmmm, with my lamda's just being just .1 average lower, doesn't seem like my fuel is that far off though. Temps are already 50c higher at 2k, another hmmm, just running hotter because?, it was about 65 when I did my last log.

lswing

June 6th, 2012, 06:53

Quattro, all input is appreciated, and I'm glad you offered up some more details. Yep, certainly need to cool things down, and yes on the metal fatigue. I cannot imagine what this car was at when I bought it.

I'm first going to set the target lambda at .91, the highest allowed by Revo I believe, and see what I get there. The next step is to add more fuel using Lemmi. There is also the option of dropping the boost or increasing the timing, both should create cooler temps.

I do keep reading that a leaner tune does produce more power, maybe that's why Revo does their tune this way? I've been in many fast cars and this one takes the cake! I'm by no means stuck on them, just working with what I've got, and driving the car in a mostly sane fashion in the meantime. Again, sounds like you really know the details well, so input could help others on here besides me.

lswing

June 6th, 2012, 19:00

Does the RS6 give the opposite lambda reading or something, please explain, this and other statements say the values go the other way, making the lower richer....?

Lambda

Lambda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda) (λ) is the ratio of actual AFR to stoichiometry for a given mixture. Lambda of 1.0 is at stoichiometry, rich mixtures are less than 1.0, and lean mixtures are greater than 1.0.

Ok, so...

Lambda 1.0 means complete combustion for any given fuel, Lambda 0.8 means 80% fuel goes towards combustion, and 20% goes towards cooling the combustion process.

Then my .7 means 70% of fuel goes towards combustion, and 30% goes toward cooling.

That would indicate that not enough of my fuel is being burnt, correct, not igniting due to? Wouldn't more fuel be igniting if the engine wanted it to?

And now the edit; the tune is currently set closer to stock lambda, I don't know that number, but I do know that I can make my target lambda .91 with the top setting. So more fuel to be burnt, less to cool, wouldn't that raise my EGT's even more?

lswing

June 6th, 2012, 19:24

"adding timing will lower EGTs and increase the tendency to knock"

I don't have any knock at this point, so this will be another test.

Makes me wonder if the Revo tune pulls the timing out to prevent knock, but at the same time they are causing higher EGT's?

lswing

June 6th, 2012, 19:45

And again, I'll now wonder if the lambda reading (supposed 70 percent of fuel being burnt) is simply due to lack of fuel, then computer seeing lack of fuel, and pulling the timing, as seems to be the consensus.

If your setting is higher on Default B6 & you don't have an aftermarket hpfp, then (in most cases) your ECU is requesting in boost what the factory hpfp & fuel rail can't provide. So the higher you set your boost the ECU is going to demand more fuel. Timing is where the POWER is made. (this is why less is more) I was running [B]B6-T3-F6 I had ZERO timing pull & the car felt a little sluggish. So I bumped the timing to T4 & it was like driving a whole different car (that coupled with the fuel setting on F6).

marklar182

June 6th, 2012, 19:49

Not much help here other then to concur your car is super lean.

- Be sure not confuse Lambda Values and the values Vagcom is outputting.

- RS6 uses narrow band sensors (I know, even an A4 uses WB02, why not this beast???). So the value the Vagcom is putting out is mearly a voltage reading, NOT the Lamba value.

- The target narrow band voltage for best results are .84-.87v. Higher is richer and lower is leaner.

lswing

June 6th, 2012, 19:52

Thanks, confusion settled, on lambda reading:)

I shall bump the revo target lambda up to .91 and see what the logs say...

4everRS

June 6th, 2012, 21:14

We commonly refer to these readings as "lambda's", when we should probably used the term "O2 voltages". The o2 (lambda) VOLTAGE is not the same as lambda VALUES. lswing, as mark stated, you were reading about lambda values. In regards to voltages, the higher the richer. Remember, it should only be deciphered in WOT, or closed loop.

lswing

June 6th, 2012, 21:48

Thanks again, noted, I'll confirm which direction the revo afr is adjusting when they say lambda .91 as target.

Brav

June 6th, 2012, 21:53

btw - your fueling setting will not change anything on SPS.. doesnt work for RS6.

lswing

June 6th, 2012, 21:57

Yep, Revo just confirmed that with me.

Now I think the only way to get increased fuel would be drop the boost so less air is pushed in?

Edit; Ughh, might be time to add fuel with Lemmi....as suggested a long long time back....I'll still see how the numbers look with boost dropped a few pounds.

Brav

June 6th, 2012, 22:08

I would add boost until timing is pulled. That's the only way... I have no experience with it however.

On my Noble, running too much boost makes it slower, and heats sh*t up like crazy... Max 1.1bar from 1.4.

4everRS

June 6th, 2012, 22:37

I think it's been said already. You need lemmiwinks.

lswing

June 6th, 2012, 22:46

I think it's been said already. You need lemmiwinks.

Yep, I agree, heard it from the start, I guess I had to see how bad things were to believe it. Runs awesome, just dangerously hot....hahn has dealt with the whole thing, guessing he's read this and doing a good face palm, shaking head...

Revo tech is looking at my numbers now, said "you should be running rich with that w/m added"...I say, most would agree....I've got lemmi and notes on it, just wanting to be 100% with current settings.

MaxRS6

June 8th, 2012, 23:25

Here is mine from this afternoon as I wanted to check on it...

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(specified)</TD><TD>(G28)</TD><TD>(specified)</TD><TD>(actual)</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20>STAMP</TD><TD>%</TD><TD>°BTDC</TD><TD>V</TD><TD>V</TD><TD>V</TD><TD>V</TD><TD>/min</TD><TD>mbar</TD><TD>mbar</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num="19.44">19.44</TD><TD align=right x:num="9.8">9.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>48</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.105">0.105</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.125">0.125</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.19500000000000001">0.195</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.12</TD><TD align=right x:num>3400</TD><TD align=right x:num>1000</TD><TD align=right x:num>1020</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>19.53</TD><TD align=right x:num="9.8">9.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>48</TD><TD align=right x:num="8.5000000000000006E-2">0.085</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.11</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.6</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.12</TD><TD align=right x:num>3400</TD><TD align=right x:num>1000</TD><TD align=right x:num>1030</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>19.63</TD><TD align=right x:num="9.8">9.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>48</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.6</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.13</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.66</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.13500000000000001">0.135</TD><TD align=right x:num>3400</TD><TD align=right x:num>1000</TD><TD align=right x:num>1020</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>19.72</TD><TD align=right x:num="9.8">9.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>48</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.64500000000000002">0.645</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.185">0.185</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.68</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.16</TD><TD align=right x:num>3440</TD><TD align=right x:num>1000</TD><TD align=right x:num>1030</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num="19.81">19.81</TD><TD align=right x:num="10.2">10.2</TD><TD align=right x:num>48</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.64500000000000002">0.645</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.36</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.69</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.21</TD><TD align=right x:num>3440</TD><TD align=right x:num>1000</TD><TD align=right x:num>1030</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>19.91</TD><TD align=right x:num>11.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>47.3</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.625">0.625</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.61499999999999999">0.615</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.69</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.505">0.505</TD><TD align=right x:num>3440</TD><TD align=right x:num>1000</TD><TD align=right x:num>1030</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>20</TD><TD align=right x:num>15.7</TD><TD align=right 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align=right x:num>0.24</TD><TD align=right x:num>3480</TD><TD align=right x:num>1160</TD><TD align=right x:num>1000</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>20.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>38</TD><TD align=right x:num="35.3">35.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.6</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.245">0.245</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.68</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.61499999999999999">0.615</TD><TD align=right x:num>3480</TD><TD align=right x:num>1450</TD><TD align=right x:num>1030</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>20.39</TD><TD align=right x:num>75.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>30.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.65</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.57">0.57</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.70499999999999996">0.705</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.66</TD><TD align=right x:num>3520</TD><TD align=right x:num>1820</TD><TD align=right x:num>1060</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 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align=right x:num>98</TD><TD align=right x:num>18</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.58">0.58</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.56">0.56</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.185">0.185</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.67500000000000004">0.675</TD><TD align=right x:num>3640</TD><TD align=right x:num>2080</TD><TD align=right x:num>1430</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>20.78</TD><TD align=right x:num>99.2</TD><TD align=right x:num>14.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.16</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.09</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.155">0.155</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.16</TD><TD align=right x:num>3680</TD><TD align=right x:num>2070</TD><TD align=right x:num>1580</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>20.87</TD><TD align=right x:num>97.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>11.3</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.35499999999999998">0.355</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.16</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.56">0.56</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.185">0.185</TD><TD align=right x:num>3720</TD><TD align=right x:num>2070</TD><TD align=right x:num>1750</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>20.97</TD><TD align=right x:num>96.9</TD><TD align=right x:num="9.8">9.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.185">0.185</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.13500000000000001">0.135</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.51500000000000001">0.515</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>3800</TD><TD align=right x:num>2050</TD><TD align=right x:num>1940</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>21.06</TD><TD align=right x:num>98.4</TD><TD align=right x:num="9.8">9.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.63500000000000001">0.635</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.26500000000000001">0.265</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.67</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.435">0.435</TD><TD align=right x:num>3840</TD><TD align=right x:num>2050</TD><TD align=right x:num>2060</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>21.15</TD><TD align=right x:num>99.2</TD><TD align=right x:num="9.8">9.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.71499999999999997">0.715</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.72</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.72</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.71499999999999997">0.715</TD><TD align=right x:num>3880</TD><TD align=right x:num>2040</TD><TD align=right x:num>2150</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>21.25</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num>9</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.75</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.76</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.77</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.76</TD><TD align=right x:num>3960</TD><TD align=right x:num>2030</TD><TD align=right x:num>2180</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>21.34</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num>9</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.77500000000000002">0.775</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.78</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.78</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.78500000000000003">0.785</TD><TD align=right x:num>4000</TD><TD align=right x:num>2030</TD><TD align=right x:num>2170</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>21.44</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num="9.8">9.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.78</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.79</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>4080</TD><TD align=right x:num>2020</TD><TD align=right x:num>2140</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>21.53</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num="9.8">9.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.78500000000000003">0.785</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.81499999999999995">0.815</TD><TD align=right x:num>4120</TD><TD align=right x:num>2020</TD><TD align=right x:num>2100</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>21.63</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num>9</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.81499999999999995">0.815</TD><TD align=right x:num>4200</TD><TD align=right x:num>2020</TD><TD align=right x:num>2060</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>21.73</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num="8.3">8.3</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.82499999999999996">0.825</TD><TD align=right x:num>4240</TD><TD align=right x:num>2020</TD><TD align=right x:num>2020</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>21.84</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num>9</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num>4320</TD><TD align=right x:num>2010</TD><TD align=right x:num>1990</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>21.93</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num="8.3">8.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.81499999999999995">0.815</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.82499999999999996">0.825</TD><TD align=right x:num>4360</TD><TD align=right x:num>2010</TD><TD align=right x:num>1960</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>22.05</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num>12</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.82499999999999996">0.825</TD><TD align=right x:num>4400</TD><TD align=right x:num>2010</TD><TD align=right x:num>1940</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>22.16</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num>7.5</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.82499999999999996">0.825</TD><TD align=right x:num>4480</TD><TD align=right x:num>2000</TD><TD align=right x:num>1940</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>22.26</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num>11.3</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.81499999999999995">0.815</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.83</TD><TD align=right x:num>4560</TD><TD align=right x:num>2000</TD><TD align=right x:num>1930</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>22.37</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num>12</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.81499999999999995">0.815</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.83</TD><TD align=right x:num>4560</TD><TD align=right x:num>2000</TD><TD align=right x:num>1950</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>22.47</TD><TD align=right x:num>99.6</TD><TD align=right x:num="8.3">8.3</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.79500000000000004">0.795</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.81499999999999995">0.815</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.83</TD><TD align=right x:num>4680</TD><TD align=right x:num>2000</TD><TD align=right x:num>1950</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>22.57</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num="9.8">9.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.8</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.83</TD><TD align=right x:num>4760</TD><TD align=right x:num>1990</TD><TD align=right x:num>1950</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>22.68</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num>7.5</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.83499999999999996">0.835</TD><TD align=right x:num>4840</TD><TD align=right x:num>1940</TD><TD align=right x:num>1940</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>22.79</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num>9</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.83499999999999996">0.835</TD><TD align=right x:num>4880</TD><TD align=right x:num>1930</TD><TD align=right x:num>1950</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>22.89</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num>6.8</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.80500000000000005">0.805</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.82499999999999996">0.825</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.83499999999999996">0.835</TD><TD align=right x:num>4920</TD><TD align=right x:num>1920</TD><TD align=right x:num>1930</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>23.01</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num>-1.5</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.81499999999999995">0.815</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.83</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.82</TD><TD align=right x:num="0.83499999999999996">0.835</TD><TD align=right x:num>4880</TD><TD align=right x:num>1910</TD><TD align=right x:num>1930</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20 align=right x:num>23.1</TD><TD align=right x:num>100</TD><TD align=right x:num="-2.3">-2.3</TD><TD align=right x:num>0.81</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

MaxRS6

June 8th, 2012, 23:33

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lswing

June 9th, 2012, 00:49

Max, looks like a good balance of Voltage, Boost and timing...what tune do you have on the beast again? Any idea what your EGT's are? Thanks for sharing!

lswing

June 9th, 2012, 00:52

So when there's a fire, it's always good to add fuel...BUT, even if they have a point, I would agree that if you can generate the same timing at a lower EGT temp you will not be putting as much wear on the engine.

And reading a few posts earlier, I got a thought, QuattroRS = DHall? Just checking buddy, I found the phrasing pretty similar, got a laugh out of it...if not my apologies:)

02 voltage of a narrowband sensor cannot be used to determine AF accurately, basically it means nothing. A narrowband 02 sensor is only accurate at determining stoic, what you are seeing is actually perfectly fine, I even just called one of the calibrators to confirm.

EGTs are not really all that high either, the limits most people claim for those turbos is sustained as in long pulls going on for minutes, you can go well over 1000C instant or for short pulls without a problem.

Remember if you delay your ignition event through low overall timing the exhaust valves are open, meaning lower timing actually causes higher EGTs. So at 11 degrees advance and no timing pull you may actually see lower EGTS by increasing your current timing setting.

With the methanol and the fuel we know those engines are capable of there is no possible way you are running it lean, I would get an actual wideband in the car if you are concerned but it seems to look fine to me, just add more timing.

4everRS

June 9th, 2012, 04:16

So what is this blue writing in your post? Something REVO wrote? If so, I 'used' to like their tune. Even put it in the top 3 at one time. I'm starting to put them on the same shelf as GIAC because of this thread.

lswing

June 9th, 2012, 06:54

Yep, that's info from Revo, would be interesting to see the narrowband numbers...

So what about MaxRS6's Lambda numbers being damn "low" in the 3k range, they look great otherwise it seems.