2012: Update

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

the quattro GmbH is busy developing the future RS 6. Some pics for your personal enjoyment. :hey:

http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/720/spyshots-audi-rs6-avant-winter-testing-720p-1.jpg
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/720/spyshots-audi-rs6-avant-winter-testing-720p-2.jpg
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/720/spyshots-audi-rs6-avant-winter-testing-720p-3.jpg
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/720/spyshots-audi-rs6-avant-winter-testing-720p-4.jpg
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/720/spyshots-audi-rs6-avant-winter-testing-720p-5.jpg
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/720/spyshots-audi-rs6-avant-winter-testing-720p-6.jpg
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/720/spyshots-audi-rs6-avant-winter-testing-720p-7.jpg
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/720/spyshots-audi-rs6-avant-winter-testing-720p-8.jpg


Qisha

PS: RS 4 Avant reached the final stage.

[rs4some]

Anymore details on the RS4 at all? :)

[andreadebi]

Qisha, can you tell us when is scheduled? new rs6 this year or we have to wait start or end 2013?

[Andyuk911]

Anymore details on the RS4 at all? :)

Dead apparently

[rs4some]

Dead apparently

Clearly you didnt read the bottom of his post

"PS: RS 4 Avant reached the final stage. "

[HKS786]

Can we expect wide arches again? :D

[Andyuk911]

Clearly you didnt read the bottom of his post

"PS: RS 4 Avant reached the final stage. "

Umm .. did not see that ...:revs:

Qisha, comments ....

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=23&t=1095526&nmt=RE%3A+New+Audi+RS4+binned%2C+says+rumourmill

[artur777]

nice pics
how long to wait?

[Andyuk911]

Counting today, at least 380 more sleeps ....









:lovl:

[Qisha]

...saw this and... looks reasonable. :)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-t80dQljGklg/TzQ7mtZoBcI/AAAAAAAAGhY/ebUv731lLaI/s640/RS6+2012.jpg

[rs4some]

Why is it that Audi now uses the 'quattro' boxed guards from the 80s? they don't give these cars the aggressive appearance as the rounded ones of the B7 and B5 RS4 had.

[inF]

I reckon RS6 Avant is a so special car that it solely takes Audi to a very different level. A unique recepe.

[AndyBG]

Hey! Thic pic' looks like finished product! I hope it will actually look like this!

[andreadebi]

Why is it that Audi now uses the 'quattro' boxed guards from the 80s? they don't give these cars the aggressive appearance as the rounded ones of the B7 and B5 RS4 had.

because rounded are used by a4 & a6 Allroad :)

If you see the rear of a4 allroad with bumper painted in the exterior colour(option) you can think it's the new rs4 ;)

[S6V10Avant]

Qisha, will the RS7 be available before the RS6 ?

[HKS786]

Why is it that Audi now uses the 'quattro' boxed guards from the 80s? they don't give these cars the aggressive appearance as the rounded ones of the B7 and B5 RS4 had.

+1 !

http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/114/5275/32455170/audi-rs4-05-2759136465373944453.JPG

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

the Wheel Arches are a matter of taste, compare:

http://i40.tinypic.com/2zf0bhs.jpg/

or

http://img.auto.cz/news/img/galleries/2011-32/aurs620_4e3ff0bde619a.jpg

Qisha

[Qisha]

Qisha, will the RS7 be available before the RS6 ?

Dear S6V10Avant,

Development wise the Audi RS 7 is even with the Audi RS 6 Avant. :thumb:

You might have seen this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnKgNmF4Q6s&feature=player_embedded

Engine bay:

http://img.turbo.fr/04485400-photo-audi-rs6-rs7-2.jpg

Side shot:

http://www.quattroworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/RS7-1.jpg

Qisha

[HKS786]

About wheel arches, I like the squared ones for the RS6 because its subtle, but RS4 should always be wide arches! Also, RS7 look really good from front end. Unique headlights and side intakes. Shame about the side/rear profile though I don't like sportbacks.

[S6V10Avant]

Thanks a lot for your reply Qisha! The RS7 will be my new car, hopefully available some time during 2012..

[youry]

i sincerely doubt we will see RS6/RS7 in 2012 but rather in geneva 2013. that would wound more logical to me.... or it would be the first time an RS car is release sooooooo fast after release of a model

[4everRS]

Dear Quisha (and the rest of audi),

It would be very appreciated if the new RS6 was imported to the United States. I love my C5 RS6. I want the C7. Please bring it here.

Sincerely,

RS lover from the US

[darkop]

so, what Qisha is saying is there won't be the RS6 sedan?!!!

[RXBG]

RS cars typically show in geneva. from what i know the only prod debuts left this calendar year in auto shows are the new A3 hatchback/RS4 (geneva), updated R8/Q5 in the fall (paris), a3 sedan (la show in the fall). maybe a concept here or there. but thats about it. i agree than the RS6/7 will debut in geneva next year.

[youry]

RS6 sedan and RS7 would be too much in the same segment I think same as RS4 sedan and RS5.

[HKS786]

RS6 sedan and RS7 would be too much in the same segment I think same as RS4 sedan and RS5.

Well, I think we need RS4 and RS5 because of M3/C63 coupes/sedans. RS6/RS7 also are needed to compete with M5/M6GT/E63/CLS63.

[AndyBG]

so, what Qisha is saying is there won't be the RS6 sedan?!!!

I also expect that outcome, B/C, lets face it! No one is going to buy RS 6 limo' with RS 7, producing same power and better looking for the same price!


Well, I think we need RS4 and RS5 because of M3/C63 coupes/sedans. RS6/RS7 also ar needed to compete with M5/M6GT/E63/CLS63.

Well, M5 and E AMG sedan have little bit "hard core" costumers and they more history than RS 6. I think that's reason why they are on offer along side with more appealing M6 GranCoupe, if there be one, and CLS 63 AMG...
We will have to wait and see what will Audi do!

[darkop]

RS6 sedan and RS7 would be too much in the same segment I think same as RS4 sedan and RS5.
So they wouldn't have a direct competitor for the M5 sedan. The RS7 will be a competitor to the m6 GC.

[AndyBG]

So they wouldn't have a direct competitor for the M5 sedan. The RS7 will be a competitor to the m6 GC.

Looking at sales figures of the last one, compared to the oponents, maybe they don't need it...

[OCloughie]

Sent Audi Germany a tweet asking if I will see the RS6 at Geneva and the reply was "you'll see!" - I'll be ordering mine the next day!

[youry]

of course not. much too soon? its a 3000000% sure

[OCloughie]

I think they'll show it, they have too because of the M5 and M6 launch! In my garage for March 2013! That will do nicely

[youry]

nope.... they never present TWO RS cars at the same time.... geneva is for RS4 AVANT only in terms of RS cars.... Having said that I am wantign to go that route as well. RS5 on sale and waiting for the RS6 to order it....... next year when its released

[OCloughie]

Old school but they now have new RS3 RS4 RS5 and TT and they used to only have one RS car out at any time until recently!
Why not an RS6 and RS7! It would make very bad business sense to me not to react to BMWs M5 and M6. They cannot give BMW 2 years of free sales!
I still think they will show it! We shall see! They never said no to me yet when I asked about and RS5cab they said a decision had not been made to make it!
Quite a big difference to you'll see!

[youry]

the production constraints are indeed not present anylonger since now the RS cars are made on line where the other cars are made (cs only in quattro gmbh before). but still they will not prsent two rs now.... it was goign to be the case we would have pictures already now..... oficial pictures alays appear about 2 week before the show..... rs4 pics are available but not RS6.... audi does not make its business out of the RS cars..... its a niche market, rs cars are there to brgn th dream and have other cars sold... they shoudl care le if M5/M6 is already there. and this happens all the time....

[OCloughie]

Yes but remember the RS4 pictures have onlt just come out and it is shipping in April maybe a year ahead of the RS6 which is why you have pictures!
I am still hoping that we will see an RS6 and 7 with shipments late 2012/spring 2013

[AndyBG]

No way we will see RS 6 or RS 7 on '12 Geneva...
Maybe Paris, but no RS 6 or RS 7 on road before '13...
I stii naven't see S6, S7 or S8 on road! :/

[Joker]

Everything is being delayed even the normal models. The S6/7 were due in Nov/Dec and still aren't here, the A3 originally was to be release Apr/May and it was pushed back till Sept, RS4 will be shown at Geneva but don't expect it before the new year by this reckoning so I seriously doubt you'll see an RS6/7 before the middle of next year. Audi really need to pull their finger out.

[ZeroCool]

the A3 was delayed? No way...the A3 8P was also presented in Geneva 2003 and was available for orders...I ordered one in June 2003 and got it in August 2003 ... so nothing unusual with the A3 here...

[Joker]

the A3 was delayed? No way...the A3 8P was also presented in Geneva 2003 and was available for orders...I ordered one in June 2003 and got it in August 2003 ... so nothing unusual with the A3 here...

I'm talking about the new A3 not the last one.

[ZeroCool]

Yeah ;) mee too...there is nothing unusual...the new A3 is going to be in Geneva - as it was always

[HKS786]

Yeah Audi are very slow with their models. BMW have M5, M6 and the M6GC is coming soon. Mercedes already have the E63 and CLS63. Now that I think about it, there aren't even any reviews of the new S6/S7/S8 yet. I've only seen one review of the S5 facelift.

[darkop]

Yeah Audi are very slow with their models. BMW have M5, M6 and the M6GC is coming soon. Mercedes already have the E63 and CLS63. Now that I think about it, there aren't even any reviews of the new S6/S7/S8 yet. I've only seen one review of the S5 facelift.

Yeah, Audi has become one of those companies that always wait to see what opposition do, probably buy those models, take a good look and then apply The Audi Beauty Enhancement Technologies and build s ''sort-of'' their own car! But, by the time they've gone through all of that - The World has already moved on and applied even newer solutions...

[Joker]

darpok do you really feel what BMW gives us is better than what Audi do?

BMW might bring new niches and ideas to market ahead of the rest but I find them flawed and when Audi put their stamp on it the whole concept just works so much better. Take the 550i, good car and engine but compared to the S6 Audi add cylinder deactivation, dual clutch and quattro turning a good car into a great one and I'm convinced the same thing will happen when the RS6 arrives.

[HKS786]

In my opinion, I think Audi certainly has ability to stay ahead of the competition in some ways but sometimes they fall behind. For example, the B7 RS4 truly redefined that segment and the new M3/C63 now have high-output V8s. The R8 is a masterpiece with 4 variants and now the upcoming facelift models. The new S4 has lost the V8 but gained a FI V6 and sport differential which has really transformed performance.

However, in recent times I feel Audi are slow to move ahead. Only recently the S5 coupe has gained the V6S from the S4. Also, while the next M3/C63 are set to move to FI, Audi are still producing the RS4/RS5 with V8s. They could have used the 2.5 from the RS3 or even the V6S with ~400bhp from the Q5 concept. Also, no RS4 sedan. While we are waiting for the new S6/RS6 to come, the 550i/M5/E63/CLS63 are already selling and the new M6/M6GC are on the way too. BMW are also making the M-performance models (400bhp tri-turbo diesels with AWD). I was reading up on the new 328i saloon (4 cylinder turbo) and it's now putting out around 280bhp!

Bottom line: Audi are going to have to bring something new and exciting with their upcoming models, otherwise they are just playing catch-up.

[AndyBG]

Simple example, Audi C5 A6, produced from '97-'04, was available with 1.8 T engine, developing 150 hp, both FWD and quattro. In that time, BMW 5 series and Mercedes E class were unthinkable with something like that under the hood and AWD!
Today...
C7 A6 is offered with 2.0 T producing 180 hp and no quattro option! While, both BMW and Merc' are offered with small forced induction engines and AWD option, and thing to be worse, Merc's E 250 petrol version has 1.8 kompresor engine developing 204 hp, and BMWs 528i has 2.0 T with 245 hp!

So, can some one explain me why Audi vas modern 15 years ago, while it has so many things on offer that are today best selling features in its opponents!? (forced induction engines, diesel engines, all wheel drive, etc...)

[tailpipe]

Hey Qisha,

Thanks for posting this. I like the styling very much, even the boxed wheel arches that pay homage to the original Quattro.

What I am less keen on is the engine bay, which seems to be a mess of pipes and wires. I hope Audi calls a plumber before before it is launched.

Anyway, this car seems like a genuine alternative to a Porsche 911 - especially if it costs 15%-20% less for comparable performance.

[The RS6]

Anyway, this car seems like a genuine alternative to a Porsche 911 - especially if it costs 15%-20% less for comparable performance.

Did you just compare a two-ton Audi Avant with a 911? :)

[tailpipe]

Did you just compare a two-ton Audi Avant with a 911? :)

Yes, I did. Sorry.

Both are true all-weather, year round sports cars. Of course, the 911 is lighter, more agile and ultimately quicker along a challenging mountain road. But have you seen how much bigger it has become? Yes, the RS6 is considerably larger, but it has room for a family of five plus my wife's dogs. And when they're not travelling with me, in theory I can throw it around a bit. Besides, won't the new RS6 shed 200 kg?

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

figures are set and the new RS 6 will be on the market sooner as every other RS car before. :0:

Qisha

[Andyuk911]

Always nice to hear updates on progress - thanks

[4everRS]

Dear Friends,

figures are set and the new RS 6 will be on the market sooner as every other RS car before. :0:

Qisha
The U.S. market?

[Joker]

Dear Friends,

figures are set and the new RS 6 will be on the market sooner as every other RS car before. :0:

Qisha

Figures are set, does this mean power, price or both?

[Erik]

Great news :)

[AndyBG]

So Paris auto show...?

[darkop]

Great news that they finally got an agreement on the figures! Eventhough it's not really of any beneficiary for us at this moment....

[Ruergard]

Very great news. Bring it on!

[andreadebi]

so bmw m5 will have hard times soon :)

Qisha,what about the new "S diesel" model vs M550dx?official info next month?thanks

[tailpipe]

Hey Qisha, that is the best news. Well done, Audi!

[RXBG]

it most def better go on sale soon. the only way audi can curtail M5 sales is with on time arrival of the RS6. it will definitely be brought to market in the US. if they don't they lose. if audi is smart they'll introduce it in new york next month.

[S6V10Avant]

The figures are as follows;

Hp: 560
0-100: 4.1 sec.

But where is the RS7, which would be my first choice ?

[Joker]

The figures are as follows;

Hp: 560
0-100: 4.1 sec.

But where is the RS7, which would be my first choice ?

Are these figures you have heard of or are they your opinion of what they will be?

Reason I ask is that matching the M5 output will not allow this car to match its performance, there's more transmission loses from awd than rwd and unless the RS6 weighs quite a bit less it will lose on the numbers game.

[TOAvusRS6]

Are these figures you have heard of or are they your opinion of what they will be?

Reason I ask is that matching the M5 output will not allow this car to match its performance, there's more transmission loses from awd than rwd and unless the RS6 weighs quite a bit less it will lose on the numbers game.

Agreed. HP figure of the new RS6 need to be better than this to have a competitive edge on the M5. Not that the horsepower wars will go on indefinitely, but the last M5 (V10) was 500hp, the new one is 560HP (V8TT), so if Audi plans on keeping the competitive edge, it stands to reason that the new RS6 should have somewhere north of 580HP to account for drivetrain and weight disadvantages to be competitive with the new M5, or the E63 for that matter.

[darkop]

Only thing - Audi achieve that from 4.0l and BMW from 4.4. ;-) Go figure...

[Joker]

Only thing - Audi achieve that from 4.0l and BMW from 4.4. ;-) Go figure...


True that would be some achievement but I bet it won't have the same amount of torques or rev as high which will probably mean it's acceleration will start to tail off whilst the M5 is still pulling strong.

[Qisha]

but I bet it won't have the same amount of torques

It would not be fair to bet with you but if you decide to do else, dont put too much money down. :jlol:

[S6V10Avant]

Agreed. HP figure of the new RS6 need to be better than this to have a competitive edge on the M5. Not that the horsepower wars will go on indefinitely, but the last M5 (V10) was 500hp, the new one is 560HP (V8TT), so if Audi plans on keeping the competitive edge, it stands to reason that the new RS6 should have somewhere north of 580HP to account for drivetrain and weight disadvantages to be competitive with the new M5, or the E63 for that matter.

Rumours yes, but usually quite accurate... The torque is equally as important, especially for such heavy cars.. It should have 700(+) Nm, and probably has..

[Joker]

It would not be fair to bet with you but if you decide to do else, dont put too much money down. :jlol:

What about it's peak revs, will it match the 7200rpm of the M5?

And what about weight, the RS5 had all the ammunition to beat the C63 and M3 but was burdened with too much KGs, has lessons been learned with the RS6 because it needs to be no more than 1900kg. Oh whilst on the subject of weight is there any word on what the RS4 weighs?

[RXBG]

weight is a factor. audi doesnt have to put more hp down than the M5 if it weighs sufficiently less and has correspondingly more torque. let's put it this way. if audi found a way to keep the RS6 at 4000 lbs (177 less than S6) i would believe those performance figures. problme is that it is hard to believe. the M5 weighs 4288 lbs and makes 3.7 with roll out. audi will have to make a wicked car to beat that.

[andreadebi]

rs6 c5: 107hp/liter
rs6 c6:117hp/lt

m5 f10:127hp/lt
e63amg: 101hp/lt

My dream is that rs6 c7 will reach 140-150 hp/lt from 4.0tfsi

[The RS6]

My dream is that rs6 c7 will reach ... 150 hp/lt from 4.0tfsi

Then Audi engineers would be like...

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090514011807/uncyclopedia/images/b/bf/Middle-finger.jpg

towards Munich&Stuttgart

[RXBG]

Then Audi engineers would be like...

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090514011807/uncyclopedia/images/b/bf/Middle-finger.jpg

towards Munich&Stuttgart

LOL

http://akr0katt.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/donkey_punch.jpg

or more like (if 140 hp/lt)

http://ibankcoin.com/king_of_the_pg/wp-content/imagescaler/2cd6dee94b8f74a5ad70be7f901455b3.jpg

[artur777]

I hope we see RS6 soon....

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

compared to the last Audi RS 6 all numbers will go down... except for one (and by the way things are going- another one). :cheers:

I am very confident that the US Market will get the green light this time. :thumb:

Qisha

[The RS6]

Torque and max speed? What else could go up? Number of gears?

[RXBG]

obviously power and torque are not going down. but weight and accel times are. and from what he said--- price may be going down also :)

[Joker]

Dear Friends,

compared to the last Audi RS 6 all numbers will go down... except for one (and by the way things are going- another one). :cheers:

I am very confident that the US Market will get the green light this time. :thumb:

Qisha

I've got this feeling from what you just said that weight is down, acceleration times have gone down and probably power has also gone down though hopefully not by much but I'm guessing the one thing which has gone up is the torque as the old 5.0tt didn't break any records there.

Well Q how did I do?

[HKS786]

I just think this new RS6 is going to have a hard task beating the new M5 which is a masterpiece. Audi will really need to get everything right here. At least one good thing is it will weight less.

[andreadebi]

in the article of autocar about future Macan suv by porsche,about the diesel engine..

Porsche is also in negotiation with Audi to secure the latter’s new 309bhp twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre V6 diesel, recently launched in the A6, for a possible seventh model: the Macan Diesel Turbo. This engine is due to power a hot SQ5 model from September.
However, Audi officials, already smarting from having to share the Q5 underpinnings with Porsche, are said to be resisting pressure to share this diesel with the Macan. Contracts have already been signed for it to go into the Panamera and Cayenne.

Any more info about the new "s diesel" engine vs tri-turbo bmw M550dx? Qisha gave us some preview-info here http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/23965-13-BMW-M550d-xDrive-0-250-km-h?p=229802&viewfull=1#post229802

[andreadebi]

new pics Rs6 c7 testing @ ring

http://www.autoblog.it/post/41385/foto-spia-audi-rs6-al-nurburgring#continua

[HKS786]

Is the RS6 sedan confirmed? I read on another forum that because of RS7 there will be no RS6 sedan. Is that true? Hope not.

[andreadebi]

Is the RS6 sedan confirmed? I read on another forum that because of RS7 there will be no RS6 sedan. Is that true? Hope not.

could be a logic solution for audi sell rs6 only avant

[HKS786]

I disagree because the A7 is not the same as an A6 saloon. BMW have the M5 and upcoming M6GC, same with MB they have the E63 and CLS63. Audi need the RS6 saloon. A7 is ugly.

[andreadebi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoR3Ajv2oDw&feature=channel&list=UL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF3Hl9Wu4TU&feature=channel&list=UL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQRB88ZMaZI&feature=channel&list=UL

[artur777]

RS6 Saloon is needed
RS7 will not replace it for sure

[Joker]

If Audi do an RS6 saloon I bet it will be limited to a select number of market, the ones that traditionally wouldn't buy an estate. Else where in the world the RS Audi is cherished most highly in its estate form so no need for a saloon here.

[chewym]

Great videos of the RS6 in action :revs:

[andreadebi]

I read that on tomorrow audi press-release @ beijing auto show will be 3 new world preview: rs q3, A6 L and a concept based on the Q3.I really hope this special q3 will feature the new "S" diesel engine that Qisha anticipated

https://www.audi-mediaservices.com/publish/ms/content/en/public/pressemitteilungen/2012/04/20/live_from_beijing.standard.gid-oeffentlichkeit.html

[andreadebi]

no new tdi engine...Q3 jinlong yufeng with 2.5 tfsi 310hp

https://www.audi-mediaservices.com/publish/ms/content/en/public/pressemitteilungen/2012/04/23/audi_q3_jinlong_yufeng.standard.gid-oeffentlichkeit.html

[Benman]

Great videos of the RS6 in action :revs: Yes, thank you for posting. Those were the first I've seen. :cheers:

[TOAvusRS6]

Yes, thank you for posting. Those were the first I've seen. :cheers:

I am sure by now many of you have also seen the video posted showing the rolling race between the C6 RS6 and the F10 M5. Granted the C6 RS6 was a very heavy car, probably more so than the new M5, I still contend that Audi will have to come very good to match, and more importantly beat the performance of the new M5.

I have owned nothing but Audi since 1993, but it has to be said that the automotive press all appear to be very impressed with the new M5 (as unattractive as it is).

The new RS6 will win the looks battle without much effort, I just hope that the performance puts it in a league of it's own. I've already seen enough posts of the RS5 being walked by the existing M3. I am hopeful this will not be the case with the new RS6.

I remain hopeful.

[DPHILSPUD]

when is 2013 model being released and any confirmation of US spec model:addict::thumb:

[andreadebi]

another video from Ring


http://tv.quattroruote.it/spy-video/video/audi-rs6/

Hey,where is the sound of engine??? seems electric.... only tyres screech

[youry]

like typical RS6 sounds are lousy, you hear nothing....

by the way guys we've measure a new M5 on the dyno, we better hope we measured a very unique engine as the latest M5 engine is incredible. we measured close to 600 HP and above 800Nm (when its announces at 560 HP end 680Nm. too early to do statistical anaylyses... but the latest RS6 engien better be a beast....

and to be honest I doubt it.... as always audi wil relaese somethign that is at best close to the M btu not superior...... unless you consider the rainy conditions where the quattro will then be first....

I've slowly had it with latest AUDI philosophy with its RS cars.... and the mroe I think of it the more I think I will go with an R8 V10 for my next car.. its in the same price range then RS6 anyway.... but true sportcar...

[Joker]

^Producing more than per quota seems to a common thing with turbo/supercharged engines, I believe I read somewhere that the S4 produces between 380-400hp so the M5 actually having an extra 35-40hp sounds about right and of the examples that have been dyno-ed by the press have shown anything from 560hp upto 612hp yet the funny thing is this huge difference isn't yielding any difference in performance.

Does the RS6 need to be quicker, is that the only goal that's important or does handling, refinement, build, traction, brakes, looks have equal or even more importance? As long as its got similar levels of performance then surely that's all that's needed?

[TOAvusRS6]

I think the bigger question to be answered is how much more should Audifiles like ourselves be made to pay for a car that is "at best" equivalent to an M5.

I agree performance and speed is not everything, but it definitely has bearing in the decision, especially if the RS6 comes in at a significantly higher price.

All of what I just typed is null if the RS6 comes in with more power than the M5 on top of it's other aesthetic advantages.

I honestly hope that Audi follows the trend of the C5 and C6 RS6, both of which were quicker than their M5 counterparts of the same time frame.

[Joker]

^Well that all depends on what value you put on having the added traction of quattro, the superior build of an Audi and it's looks if it's performance is already similar. If weather changes where you are aren't huge and little or no snow then maybe the M5 or E63 is all you need but if some weeks of the year you suffer snow then the added traction of the RS6 might be invaluable.

I would honestly be happy to be given any of them but if it were my own money I would be willing to pay a modest premium for an RS6.

[S6V10Avant]

Qisha, any news on the new RS6 and RS7 ??

[TOAvusRS6]

Just heard from my Audi dealership that they have received the listing for future product. RS7 listed for North American market. No RS6 on the list. Can someone with a better source confirm or deny this?

If true I am pulling the trigger on something else. I've never been a big fan of the A7 body style.

In this day and age, issues with emissions regulations (which was supposedly the reason for the C6 RS6 not making it to NA) seem stupid when other manufacturers like Mercedes and BMW do not appear to have these problems. It's a real shame that Audi chooses to keep it's loyal NA customers guessing on whether their RS6 platform product will be made available or not. Mercedes and BMW NA customers never seem to have to wonder if the latest AMG or M based products will come.

The RS4 never made it. The RS5 did. I wonder if Audi will keep the RS6 avant only to promote RS7 sales as reported on some automotive sites? A real shame if correct.

The C6 platform offered nothing for the true enthusiast in NA. The S6 in that generation was a disappointment, and as a result I kept my C5 RS6. While that car is still in great shape, it is 8 years old. On this go around however, if there is no C7 RS6 destined for NA, Audi has one less customer.

[buzz]

Hi Qisha,

Very Unfortunate as not to have a Sedan version...and it seems harder for the RS6 to beat this now...See link below:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/112101949599/2014-mercedes-e63-amg-to-get-550-hp-and-4matic

Buzz

[chewym]

Just heard from my Audi dealership that they have received the listing for future product. RS7 listed for North American market. No RS6 on the list. Can someone with a better source confirm or deny this?

If true I am pulling the trigger on something else. I've never been a big fan of the A7 body style.

In this day and age, issues with emissions regulations (which was supposedly the reason for the C6 RS6 not making it to NA) seem stupid when other manufacturers like Mercedes and BMW do not appear to have these problems. It's a real shame that Audi chooses to keep it's loyal NA customers guessing on whether their RS6 platform product will be made available or not. Mercedes and BMW NA customers never seem to have to wonder if the latest AMG or M based products will come.

The RS4 never made it. The RS5 did. I wonder if Audi will keep the RS6 avant only to promote RS7 sales as reported on some automotive sites? A real shame if correct.

The C6 platform offered nothing for the true enthusiast in NA. The S6 in that generation was a disappointment, and as a result I kept my C5 RS6. While that car is still in great shape, it is 8 years old. On this go around however, if there is no C7 RS6 destined for NA, Audi has one less customer.

C7 RS7 only in US and presumably Canada. RS6 Avant only for this generation worldwide. I don't like this direction completely either but BMW and MB sell about double the units in the US and thus can afford more RS models. I have listed quite a few explanations in the 2013/2014 thread. Basically it boils down to the fact that Europeans prefer Avants which wouldn't sell in the US, but the US wouldn't quite yet handle both the RS6 sedan and RS7 so RS6 sedan wasn't developed. So only 1 version will come to the US.

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/24734-The-next-Audi-RS6-(2013-14)

[4everRS]

I really don't understand this. The s series cars are kicking ass. S8 is fast than panamera turbo and M5.

It doesn't make sense but I have a feeling Audi can't compete for some other reason.

[chewym]

I really don't understand this. The s series cars are kicking ass. S8 is fast than panamera turbo and M5.

It doesn't make sense but I have a feeling Audi can't compete for some other reason.

Only Quisha can give you the real answer but here is what I think. There are couple of things in play.

1. Worldwide issue. As far as I know Audi will only make a certain amount of an RS models per year. Perhaps they can do 5,000 RS6 and 5,000 RS7 and 5,000 RS4 at a time. It looks like this is planned in advance for the entire generation. On the other hand I think BMW and Mercedes can and try to make as many M and AMG models as they can sell. For this reason Audi probably works with the different regions to give them exactly what they can sell as profitably as they can with as little discounts as possible.

2. US issue. While Audi is gaining momentum on BMW and MB it is still far behind on volume. Even if Audi says they could sell more with BMW/MB style incentives the gap is particularly wider in the A6/A8 and higher price brackets. Same with performance models as I would guess BMW sells more M3s than Audi does S5. AMG is on pace to sell 7,000+ units in the US alone while Audi likely sells fewer RS worldwide. In the end US dealers probably can't just yet sell both RS6 and RS7 at once.

However with the way autosales are in Europe vs. the US the logic might be reversing and perhaps Audi regrets its decision but it's too late now for this generation?