Crazy new diesel from BMW.

[Ruergard]

http://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2011/big/BMW_M550d_Xdrive_big.jpg

I like! :revs:

[Z07]

Adequate torque. :)

[Amar]

That is pre remap torque, I want this car.

[Ruergard]

Yes. I'm glad that BMW has understood the point of awd in this car. :D

[Erik]

The real M5...? ;)

[artur777]

I like this diesel
after chip tuning it will be crazy fast

[RXBG]

i'd wait till the first mod year has come out and gone before buying- much less chip tuning- such a thing. when it works it'll pull like a locomotive. i'd like to see it go against the S6.

[Joker]

I bet it will do the 0-60 and 0-100 times in 4.7s and 11.5s respectively, hardly S6 material but still stellar for a diesel.

[AndyBG]

So, BMW releasing 3.0l, six cil' ''trhee turbo'' engine, while Audi still doesen't have bi-turbo 3.0 V6...

[Amar]

They do have a twin turbo 3.0 diesel now, they finally caught up, then BMW moved the game on again.

[Z07]

BMW 640d

309hp at 4400rpm
465lbft at 1500-2500rpm

[Marv]

How does Audi follow this? I can't imagine packaging 3 turbos into a v6 is easy - BMW has the advantage of an inline 6 here. Also, I'd always take a lighter 3 turbo 6 cylinder over a v8 any day.

By the way, does anyone know if the new 5 series xDrive will come to the UK in right-hand-drive?

Marv

[AndyBG]

I just realised this...

Audi A6 3.0 TDI - (3.0l, V6 turbo, 245 hp, 500 Nm)
Audi A6 3.0 TDI - (3.0l, V6 bi-turbo, 313 hp, 500 Nm)
BMW 530d - (3.0l, R6 turbo, 258 hp, 540 Nm)
BMW 535d - (3.0l, R6 bi-turbo, 313 hp, 630 Nm)
Merc' E 350 CDI - (3.0l, V6, 265 hp, 620 Nm)

Is it possible that Audis engine has this tourque disadvantage over rivals...?

[chewym]

I just realised this...

Audi A6 3.0 TDI - (3.0l, V6 turbo, 245 hp, 500 Nm)
Audi A6 3.0 TDI - (3.0l, V6 bi-turbo, 313 hp, 500 Nm)
BMW 530d - (3.0l, R6 turbo, 258 hp, 540 Nm)
BMW 535d - (3.0l, R6 bi-turbo, 313 hp, 630 Nm)
Merc' E 350 CDI - (3.0l, V6, 265 hp, 620 Nm)

Is it possible that Audis engine has this tourque disadvantage over rivals...?

The 313 hp V6 TDI has 650 newton meters of torque, very comparable to the competition.

[AndyBG]

The 313 hp V6 TDI has 650 newton meters of torque, very comparable to the competition.

Than, there is wrong info' on audi.de http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/a6/a6_limousine/informieren/technische_daten.html

BTW, Merc's 3.0 single turbo has impressive torque figure (620 Nm) compared to Audis (500 Nm) and BMWs (540 Nm) single turbos...

[Joker]

The 313 hp V6 TDI has 650 newton meters of torque, very comparable to the competition.

Correct, that's why there was the need to switch from S-Tronic to 8sp Auto.

[Joker]

Is this actually a tri-turbo system in the Beemer or is it a bi-turbo system where one of the turbos is BMW's Twinpower version?

[AndyBG]

Good q'...

[AndyBG]

M550d xDrive
381 hp
3.0l, in-line 6, ''tri-turbo'' (what ever it means :) )
740 Nm
0-100 km/h: 4.7 s
Average consumption: 6.3 L/100 km (37.3 mpg US / 44.8 mpg UK)
CO2 emissions: 165 g/km

X6 M50d
381 hp
3.0l, in-line 6, ''tri-turbo'
740 Nm
0-100 km/h: 4.9 s

[The RS6]

Wow. M is now a diesel. And quattro. Wow.

[AndyBG]

Several days ago there was statement from Mgmbh about these cars, and they were saying how those aren't M cars... bla, bla, bla...

What worries me more is why Audi isn't first with some high performance diesel quattro car!

[chewym]

Several days ago there was statement from Mgmbh about these cars, and they were saying how those aren't M cars... bla, bla, bla...

What worries me more is why Audi isn't first with some high performance diesel quattro car!

You mean like the Q7 V12 TDI, it has the performance of the proposed X6 M50d or whatever it will be called, or are you talking about a sedan? Before Audi introduced the twin turbo V6 TDI A6 the magazines were calling it the S6 TDI. Certainly this will be quicker than the closest Audi version but performance wise it will be around what the 550i is.

[AndyBG]

You mean like the Q7 V12 TDI, it has the performance of the proposed X6 M50d or whatever it will be called, or are you talking about a sedan? Before Audi introduced the twin turbo V6 TDI A6 the magazines were calling it the S6 TDI. Certainly this will be quicker than the closest Audi version but performance wise it will be around what the 550i is.

I don't want to count Q7 V12 TDI in that its just to heavy and to big!
A6 3.0 TTDI has arrived now, while BMW have 535d (3.0l biturbo) for some eight years now!
Current 535d, F10, is at same level as that new A6 with 3.0 twin turbo diesel, both having 313 hp.
550d will be in totally another league, much higher!

[AndyBG]

BTW..., another ''tease'' video from BMW...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DmNBlg5dM0&feature=player_embedded

[Amar]

Q7 V12 6.0 twin turbo TDI, I bet they sold about 5, I know of one putting out about 1200nm. BMW have come to the market with a much more useful and appealing engine so I would agree BMW are the ones leading the way with diesel, with Audi lagging behind.

[AndyBG]

Unwillingly, I have to agree...

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

the idea of a multiple charged Diesel engine is not a pioneer idea. I remember Mercedes had a concept car back in 2005, the Mercedes SLK 320 CDI, with a Triturbo Diesel Engine. For those who are interested, Press Release 2005:

Diesel 72º V6
Location Front, longitudinally mounted
Displacement 2.987 liter / 182.3 cu in
Bore / Stroke 83.0 mm (3.3 in) / 92.0 mm (3.6 in)
Valvetrain 3 valves / cylinder, SOHC
Fuel feed Direct Fuel Injection
Aspiration Tri-Turbo
Power 286 bhp / 213 KW
Torque 630 Nm / 465 ft lbs
BHP/Liter 96 bhp / liter
Top Speed 250 km/h (155 mph) |limited|
0-60 mph 5.2 s
0-1000m 24.7s

"The SLK 320 CDI tri-Turbo is based on the new V6 diesel engine, which achieves new levels of performance thanks to a two-stage supercharging system. It consists of three Turbochargers, of which two are located on the outside next to the cylinder banks while the larger third Turbocharger is situated between the V of the cylinders. At low engine speeds and loads, air flows through all three Turbochargers (i.e., large and small), with the small Turbochargers doing most of the work. When engine speed increases and the flow is continuous, the large Turbocharger takes over supplying the greatest share of the charge pressure and the smaller Turbochargers are turned off by means of a bypass system. At high engine speeds and loads, only the large Turbocharger is running. Performance is further heightened as a result of an enlarged intercooler and larger pipe diameters for the charge air and the exhaust."

Well this was 2005 and made it never into production due to cost factors.

Back to the new BMW Triturbo Engine:

A masterpiece of engineering is my personal sincere opinion and my respect to BMW for having the courage not just to release the engine but to support it as well. As i can imagine it will be a pain to service not talking about reliability. :0:

Lets wait and see how it turns out in real life... this will be the first serious so called "Sport Diesel Engine" ont the market but for sure not the last.

Qisha

[Ruergard]

Interesting info Qisha, thanks. Will be interesting to see how it turns out..

[AndyBG]

Still no signs of Audi/VAG producing something like that...?

BTW, thx for this info' about Merc's engine... :thumb:

[Joker]

Still no signs of Audi/VAG producing something like that...?

At the moment I can't think of a reason why they don't but maybe they have their reasons. Maybe when the engine has been out there in the hands of the public we will have our reason. I'm concerned as to how complex it is.

[AndyBG]

Officialy presented M performance 50d powered cars... I'm so courious what will be Audis/VAGs answer to this engine! 4.2 TDI doesn't seems like a proper rival...

"Tri-turbo'' realy means it has three turbines, two smaller and one bigger....

3.0l, R6 tri-turbo - 381 hp, 740 Nm

M550d xDrive
M550d xDrive Touring
X5 M50d
X6 M50d

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/01/bmw-m-performance-brand-kicks-off-with.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD8F3rmACvo&feature=player_embedded

In other news, '13 BMW X6 facelift has been presented, also...

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/01/2013-bmw-x6-facelift-can-you-spot.html

[Ruergard]

I'll have a M550D, thank you.