'12 BMW M5 Concept

[AndyBG]

Real pic's...

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/04/2012-bmw-m5-concept-first-photos-out-in.html

[Erik]

The pictures aren't great, but I had higher expectations on the looks and "angriness" of the new M5.

I think the new 5 series is really good looking.

[Ruergard]

I say the same as you Erik, I hope the end result is much better cause the new 5 has potential...

[Joker]

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Overall it looks good, better in fact that either the previous M5 or the current M3 IMO. Though without awd it will still remain a fare weather car, especially with over 550hp.

[Erik]

First picture is so similar to a 7-series.

[Joker]

First picture is so similar to a 7-series.

Erik, that is a constant complaint that BMW fans level at Audi, claiming all their designs are copy and paste. I think all brand need a corp image which makes them instantly recognisable regardless of model.

I call that being clever, something even BMW know about.

[Erik]

I know, the new A6 is very similar to Audi A8 as well.

[Joker]

Similar to the A8 but it is better looking in just the same way as the 5 is better looking than the 7.

[Joker]

So spec is finally confirmed on the M5.

Power : 552hp (same as X5/6M)
Torque : 510ft/lbs (slight increase over x5/6M)
Gearbox : 7sp DCT
Diff : Electronically control M-Diff
Suspension : Adaptive
Weight : ???? kg.
Price : approx £75K

I doubt too much of the above will worry the boys at quattro, output of the RS6 will probably shadow this, while torque could actually be higher if the Bentley equivalent engine is anything to go by but that will depend greatly on if S/Tronic can be made to cope. The latest quattro with sportdiff easily beats this new M-diff for traction (might explain BMW's decision to add AWD as an option) and there is also a very good chance that the new RS6 will end up the lighter of the two.

I'm quite positive. :jlol:

[HKS786]

I think there is a chance the RS6 could be lighter than the M5 if the A6 is anything to go by. Time will tell.

[Toto89]

And i also doubt it can ever beat C6 MTM RS6 without any "hardware" modification.

[Benman]

The pictures aren't great, but I had higher expectations on the looks and "angriness" of the new M5.

I think the new 5 series is really good looking.

I agree that the new 5 series is a good looking car. After seeing the M5 pics, I think it was job well done. After all, with the new 1M, a lot of us were complaining BMW went "too far" with the fender flares and went overboard. So as I see it, this is just about right (although where are the M mirrors???). I'd hit it, but I'd like to see what the new RS 6 will look like for comparison's sake.

As for Joker's comments about Audi having more power, agreed, I doubt they'll come to the party with less. But the key will be weight. :cheers:

Ben :addict:

[RXBG]

And i also doubt it can ever beat C6 MTM RS6 without any "hardware" modification.

prob is that this charged engine will also be modifyable.

[Ruergard]

prob is that this charged engine will also be modifyable.

Probably a lot as well. BMW has not forgotten about the C6 when making this car, it will be seriously quick.

[Joker]

First picture of the M5 interior. Not the impressed to be honest, or were my expectations too high to begin with?

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8967/299291754872428686.jpg

[HKS786]

It doesn't blow me away because BMW interiors these days are so similar (look at the 5, 7, X5 etc) all basically the same design. However, that said it is a nice interior but it just doesn't seem special. I really like the new A6 interior though.

[AndyBG]

It seems that this new M5 really is going to be ''quattro''... :)))

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/05/bmw-insider-says-all-new-2012-m5-offer.html

[Z07]

Weight??

[AndyBG]

Smart question...!

[AndyBG]

Latest video showing final testings... Looks like RWD to me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aTbyxc9Ko0&feature=player_embedded

[yanfeng]

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[AndyBG]

Leaked official photos...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/111061534175/2012-bmw-m5-f10-production-model-photos-leaked

560 PS
680 Nm
4.4 liter V8
0 to 100 km/h - 4.4 seconds
0 to 200 km/h - 13 seconds
top speed - 305 km/h with the M-Drivers-Package.
Transmission choices will be 6-speed manual and 7-speed DCT.

[Joker]

Man is it good looking, just love that colour though the rims would have to go.

Performance is right on the money, 200km/h in 13 seconds dead is bloody quick for something so heavy. And on that subject is the weight known yet?

P.S.
What is it with BMW and it's need to offer a manual in what effectively is a big heavy luxury saloon car.

[Toto89]

The option of manual transmission is the best thing about it. It is nice to see that you still have the joy of driving in such a luxurious and powerful car.

[Erik]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88f8M6resuM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88f8M6resuM

[Joker]

The option of manual transmission is the best thing about it. It is nice to see that you still have the joy of driving in such a luxurious and powerful car.

So in your opinion the fact that it will be dim-witted and slow to change direction due to it's weight can be overlooked simply because it's got a manual gearbox?

Let's get a reality check here, it measures almost 5 meters long and weighs probably as much as 2 ton, this isn't a sportscar, it's a big heavy cruiser in much the same mould as all the rest it's competing against. Heck even if shifting for yourself is occasionally fun the majority of the time will be spent either ferrying your family or business associates in traffic or on jolts along the autobahn, in other words the times when a manual box will prove tiresome and an annoyance.

The reason none of it's direct competitors offer a manual is because they all have wised up to this fact. I blame these Americans for demanding it's inclusion and I blame BMW for giving in to their childish demands.

[The RS6]

Forget the actual usefulness of a manual tranny.

It will be great material for the owners to brag about at the local pub, and that's all that matters...

The press will also be full of slogans saying that the M5 is back to being an ultimate driving machine, etc.

[Joker]

Forget the actual usefulness of a manual tranny.

It will be great material for the owners to brag about at the local pub, and that's all that matters...

The press will also be full of slogans saying that the M5 is back to being an ultimate driving machine, etc.

I don't know, the E63 is one hack of a brilliant driver's car in it's own right and I am sure the CLS63 is even better. BMW's new M5 might well be the only one to come with a manual but it will also need to be outstanding to better either of these two Mercs.

And then there is the C7 RS6 to consider. :hahahehe:

[darkop]

It's 1950kg. New RS6 will smash that thing to pieces... ;)

[ChicagoAudi]

It's 1950kg.

Hefty car. When the BMW goes AWD, the weight will increase by 70 - 100 kg. At that weight, even the C7 S6 could be competitive.

[Ruergard]

Classy, sporty and elegant. And bloody damn fast. Audi needs to bring on the new RS6 and we could have the fight here....

[Toto89]

Otherwise C6 RS6 is still very competitive with new M5 if it comes to acceleration and other numbers, not to mention usability. I'm pretty sure that it won't beat C6 MTM RS6 without "hardware" modification.

[Joker]

Hefty car. When the BMW goes AWD, the weight will increase by 70 - 100 kg. At that weight, even the C7 S6 could be competitive.

Considering that this car has been developed a full 6 years after the platform that the C6 RS6 is based on I don't see where BMW's development has went to on this car. Frankly if they were to add 4 wheel drive and do nothing else to this car then I doubt it would be any quicker on the track than this old model RS6. Heaven help them when the new one comes along.


Classy, sporty and elegant. And bloody damn fast. Audi needs to bring on the new RS6 and we could have the fight here....

Different car with a different feel, it's why this two cars have their own fan base and why each sell equally well. Personally I feel as I always have that Audi make a better balanced car between performance and everyday usability.


Otherwise C6 RS6 is still very competitive with new M5 if it comes to acceleration and other numbers, not to mention usability. I'm pretty sure that it won't beat C6 MTM RS6 without "hardware" modification.

I have no doubt that on pure figures the C6 RS6 will still be competitive up to a point but it's chassis is where I feel the F10 M5 will win big time, it's sure to ride better and still handle better. Though it hold no worries towards the C7 RS6, Audi have got their game face on now and I don't think they will ever again allow their RS model to be any heavier than the competition.

[The RS6]

Audi already shown that they can make big HP numbers, they need to work on other stuff...

If they make the C7 RS6 quattro weigh less than a RWD M5 it will be the last nail in the beemers' coffin.

[Joker]

It's interesting reading to see just how close the older C6 RS6 saloon gets to the official figures BMW are quoting for it's latest M5.

The actual best times for the RS6 saloon are

0-100km/h = 4.1s
0-200km/h = 12.9s
Topspeed = 250km/h or 280km/h optional

Official figures from BMW for the M5 are

0-100km/h = 4.4s
0-200km/h = 13.0s
Topspeed = 250km/h or 305km/h optional.

I am sure that the M5 will probably do a little better than these official figures but it's still surprise as to how close these two cars are to each other when you consider BMW already knew what they had to beat and have a good idea as to what will probably come next from Audi.



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[darkop]

What comes next from Audi they can only watch it passing by...

:lovl::hey::addict:

[Joker]

I doubt it will weigh less, more likely it will weigh the same or only slightly more. The old C6 RS6 weighed in at 2100kg including the 75kg that BMW include in their official figures, that's a full 150kg more than the F10 M5, 150kg is a mighty big drop to achieve for Audi though I get the feeling that they are indeed up to the challenge.

I'm more interested in knowing whether Audi intend to give the new RS6 a S/Tronic transmission or will they stick with the 8speed ZF automatic.

[darkop]

^
no need to worry. u can"t compare to the last one as it was on way heavier chassis and had 5.0 V10 TT. I expect it to be around 80kg less than F10 M5. ;) (mark these words!)

[Joker]

Glad to hear darkop you are privy to some insider information. :thumb:

I sincerely hope this is indeed the case and the RS6 slaughters the M5 on weight, it would be a very big thing for Audi as it would prove that not only with the added weight of quattro they have greatly undercut their nearest rival thus proving just how committment they were to shaving off weight. Such a weight advantage would allow them to make it more enviornmentally friendly and still be as quick if not quicker in a straightline, plus the less weight should make it better in the corners and more reactive to changes in direction.

[darkop]

I was assured it won't be heavier than RS5 if slightly, which is great for much bigger car that is. In that respect, next gen RS5 B9 will lose even more.
All that learned from the A6 Driving Experience I recently attended.
:hahahehe:

[Joker]

I was assured it won't be heavier than RS5 if slightly, which is great for much bigger car that is. In that respect, next gen RS5 B9 will lose even more.
All that learned from the A6 Driving Experience I recently attended.
:hahahehe:

Haven't been on one of Audi's driving events in ages, only Porsche ones recently. How did you find it?

If true that would mean the RS6 weighing little more than 1800kg which would be incredible if true.

[darkop]

it was quite fun while lasting. Since it was in Abu Dhabi they had to make it very short. Not more than 2.5 - 3 hrs in a car in various situation. They didn't bring competitors which was real disappointment. Was driving 2.8q and 3.0tfsi which was real blast although not a big difference than my previous A4 3.2q. Although when you think about it, it's real achievement as A6 is a bit larger car. Wasn't really blown away by presence, probably because of so many same cars around at the event. Full LED headlights are s must have and should say the s-line package. Otherwise it's quite restrained and almost unnoticeable. A8 was there as well and compared to A6 had much more ''expensive'' feel around it. Which is understandable. I like that car more and more and it's rapidly growing to the top of my list.

[Joker]

Yeah the A8 is quite special, though it's looks only look right with some colours more so than some others. I don't personally think it's their greatest design but as always it is great road presence which is probably more important than anything.

A shame they didn't offer you a selection of rival models to compare against, to others I have talk to who got this opportunity they found the A6 to be superior.

[Z07]

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[Z07]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/06/bmw-m5-specs.jpg

[Joker]

Rumor has it that a BMW engineer on the M5 project claims the output figure of 560ps is not the upper limit of the engine but is in fact the limit that it's crankshaft can cope with due to the fact that it would have cost too much to make one out of suitable materials.

Now I have heard some whooper in my time but this comment takes the biscuit, I am smelling something at the moment and it ain't roses but it sure is the stuff they are grown in. :hihi: Maybe it's BMW's way of washing their hands and responsibility so someone decides to tune it and things go bad after a while. ;)

Can't wait for the first reviews of this car to see if gaining weight has dulled it's responses, though if it's ring lap time is true it ability to cover ground hasb't been affected by the weight and nor with the switch to turbo power.

[Ruergard]

I must say, the more I look at it the better it gets...Will be really interesting to see how it performs, my guess is very good.

[Joker]

I must say, the more I look at it the better it gets...Will be really interesting to see how it performs, my guess is very good.

No totally won over on the looks, wish it was less like an M3 and was a little more subtle in the way it's nose shouts it's performance but hey that just me. No denying the potential of the car and chassis, it's new electronic M-diff shoud help harness all it's available power.....well in the dry at least. I'm just a little curious as to see what Audi's intent is with either it's RS6 or RS7, like will they drop the automatic this time and run with a beefed up S/Tronic and will they finally get some of the weight out of the nose and hopefully balance out the axles a bit more. The desire is surely there from the customer to get a great driver's car and it's pretty clear from Audi that they want to rule the category of performance among the big three.

I guess we will get a very good indicator as to Audi's intent with the launch of both the S6 and S7, if they are as good as what the S4 has proved to be then the signs would be good.<style> qtl { position: absolute; border: 1px solid #cccccc; -moz-border-radius: 5px; opacity: 0.2; line-height: 100%; z-index: 999; direction: ltr; } qtl:hover,qtl.open { opacity: 1; } qtl,qtlbar { height: 22px; } qtlbar { display: block; width: 100%; background-color: #cccccc; cursor: move; } qtlbar img { border: 0; padding: 3px; height: 16px; width: 16px; cursor: pointer; } qtlbar img:hover { background-color: #aaaaff; } qtl>iframe { border: 0; height: 0; width: 0; } qtl.open { height: auto; } qtl.open>iframe { height: 200px; width: 300px; } </style><qtl style="display: none; left: 196px; top: 194px;" class=""> <qtlbar name="bar">http://www.qtl.co.il/img/copy.pnghttp://www.ask.com/favicon.ico (http://int.ask.com/web?siteid=10000861&webqsrc=999&l=dis&q=are%20)http://translate.google.com/favicon.ico</qtlbar> <iframe name="content"></iframe> </qtl>

[Ruergard]

I guess we will get a very good indicator as to Audi's intent with the launch of both the S6 and S7, if they are as good as what the S4 has proved to be then the signs would be good.<style> qtl { position: absolute; border: 1px solid #cccccc; -moz-border-radius: 5px; opacity: 0.2; line-height: 100%; z-index: 999; direction: ltr; } qtl:hover,qtl.open { opacity: 1; } qtl,qtlbar { height: 22px; } qtlbar { display: block; width: 100%; background-color: #cccccc; cursor: move; } qtlbar img { border: 0; padding: 3px; height: 16px; width: 16px; cursor: pointer; } qtlbar img:hover { background-color: #aaaaff; } qtl>iframe { border: 0; height: 0; width: 0; } qtl.open { height: auto; } qtl.open>iframe { height: 200px; width: 300px; } </style><qtl style="display: none; left: 196px; top: 194px;" class=""> <qtlbar name="bar">http://www.qtl.co.il/img/copy.pnghttp://www.ask.com/favicon.ico (http://int.ask.com/web?siteid=10000861&webqsrc=999&l=dis&q=are%20)http://translate.google.com/favicon.ico</qtlbar> <iframe name="content"></iframe> </qtl>

I agree. :)

[Joker]

This 7:55 lap time, is it officially quoted by BMW as the time they achieved during testing or is it an official rumor that was mentioned during a conversation with a journalist? Point being Porsche officially quote their times achieved by Walter, as do Nissan and Renault and these latter two actually go further by providing video evidence of it. Would be nice for BMW and Porsche to provide such evidence don't you think.

Also, Frank Stippler did it in 7:58 in the old RS4 which was probably well under the PTW that BMW get from their mighty M5 so lets not get too carried away by this time.

P.S.
I wish Audi would release info of the times they achieved, I am sure the big RS6 wouldn't be a million miles away and nor would the RS5.