Next-gen R8?

[FSI_ooomph]

Will Audi still make a 2nd generation R8? I only read some rumors that it will be based on the next Gallardo and it will be powered by Audi's new 4.0L V8...

[Lateknight]

As from May 2012 (start of 2013 model year) there are a couple of changes to the R8. Possibly to coincide with a general update/refresh.
Latest data on the Audi system is a new 540hp 5.2 engine based on the GT unit (560ps) - similar engine code.
There is also a new seven speed auto/r-tronic transmission listed for both this engine and the 430ps 4.2.
The new 540ps V10 will replace the 525ps in May 2012.

[RXBG]

exciting and enlightening at the same time. source?

sounds mainly like a justification to increase the price some more and improve the profit delta since 15 hp more is nothing more than an anemic engine software tune. on the other hand i wouldn't be too happy if i were a GT owner since the price difference mainly comes down to weight savings. but most interesting is the tranny. is it really an r-tronic (would indicate that the next gen will def have an aventador style tranny) or DSG? if DSG i would be really surprised since it has been said from the beginning that fitting one in would be very expensive. what i smell more clearly than anything is a price increase for the V10 in 2013. finally, 2015 still sounds like the right timetable for the new R8.

[Joker]

The switch to 7 gears sounds awfully like a switch to either DSG or ISR because VW have no other 7sp transmissions in their cupboard.

[Lateknight]

exciting and enlightening at the same time. source?

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Latest update to ETKA.
I always like to have a peruse through the latest engine code and model listings to see what they're up to.
Odd to have one in the listings that is still a year away.
Cannot get any more info on the transmission, other than its defo not a manual.
Either a development of the Lambo ISR or a DSG (sorry, S-tronic) - even though they said they wouldn't.. (sorry, I've just now read your post Joker. At least we've got the same idea.)

[RXBG]

since the aventador tranny is a mod of r-tronic this makes more sense. also, easier to package in relation to mid engine model. this tranny mos def to be seen in 2013 gallardo. wonder if 2013 is year new gallardo debuts. would not make sense to put it in the current car for just one model year. new R8 lags behind new gallardo by 18-24 months from what i know.

[The Pretender]

DSG is not the future IMHO, ISR is because it's much lighter then a double clutch gearbox.

I wonder if we will see any V10 in the next R8 at all.

[artur777]

I see it as a modernized r-tronic, so no dsg for now

[Lateknight]

As from May 2012 (start of 2013 model year) there are a couple of changes to the R8. Possibly to coincide with a general update/refresh.
Latest data on the Audi system is a new 540ps 5.2 engine based on the GT unit (560ps) - similar engine code.
There is also a new seven speed auto/r-tronic transmission listed for both this engine and the 430ps 4.2.
The new 540ps V10 will replace the 525ps in May 2012.

I've an amendment to this info above.
The engine code for the 540ps V10 has disappeared...! from The R8 programme, being replaced by a all new engine code with 549ps (542hp). Still the same production start date May 2012, still listed with a new 7 speed 'self-shifter', and a 6 speed manual.
Looks like they've managed to get an additional 9 ponies from somewhere. Now even closer to the GT.
I'll keep an eye open to see if the 540ps CMPC engine code re-appears. (The R8 GT spec engine is CMPA - hence the link)
The 549ps engine will carry CTPA code.

[RXBG]

mos def an ISR gearbox. the aventador's is 7 speeds. it would be extremely unusual to suddenly see a 7 speed DSG come out of nowhere or a redone rtronic with one more cog. so far reviewers really like the ISR. as for the power bump it's nothing more than a "meh" ecu programming. stasis will have to offer a sale starting in 2013 to make it's tune worth the extra 16 hp.

can someone point out the main diff between ISR and r-tronic?

[Z07]

The switch to 7 gears sounds awfully like a switch to either DSG or ISR because VW have no other 7sp transmissions in their cupboard.


Porsche has apparently talked about a 7sp stick shift.

[Joker]

Porsche has apparently talked about a 7sp stick shift.

I know but we were talking about semi-autos not manuals.

[join9527]

The 549ps engine will carry CTPA code. http://www.ywseo.net/seo4.jpghttp://www.ywseo.net/seo3.jpg
http://www.ywseo.net/song.jpghttp://www.ywseo.net/signature.jpg

[ZeroCool]

S-Tronic is definitely coming..with the facelift ;)

[FSI_ooomph]

http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publish/Features/article_6788.shtml

talks about R8 prototype(NF) with lightweight components. this might be a preview of the lightweight structure of the next gen R8...

[kismetcapitan]

probably more materials innovations than changes in performance and powerplant? Although I do wonder if Audi might follow BMW's lead and replace displacement and cylinders with twin turbos - a resurgence of the twin turbo V-8 in the Audi lineup?

[Joker]

As far as I am aware the only thing changing with the R8 engine wise is the replacement of the current 4.2FSI with the one from the RS5 thus gaining 36hp and the 5.2FSI gaining an extra 35hp to match that of the current R8GT. The press are all pectulating that it will gain DSG, maybe, maybe not, one thing is certain though, the old R-tronic is bye bye. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it receives Lambo's ISR gearbox but only if it can be made to behave as smooth as Volkswagen's DSG.

[The Pretender]

The ISR gearbox have 3 shift programs from very smooth, then sport up to violent corsa shifting.
The ISR is a lighter gearbox then a R-Tronic or a simular DSG/S-Tronic gearbox.

[Joker]

Haven't yet driven the Aventador or ever likely will to confirm if it is as smooth as DSG in it's smoothest of settings, but if you say it can do super smooth then my vote goes to the ISR for the next R8.

[ZeroCool]

as i wrote some posts ago ... DSG for sure ...

[The Pretender]

http://cdn.images.autocar.co.uk/612x408FFFFFFF/Car/Audi/Audi-321212523238361600x1060.jpg


Audi plans to catapult its second-generation R8 firmly into the thick end of the supercar ranks alongside competition from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche.
In its bid, the new R8 will bring together some of Audi’s most advanced construction techniques, driveline engineering, aerodynamics and electronics.
Already under intense development at Audi’s headquarters in Ingolstadt, the new R8 will go on sale in coupé guise in the UK during the third quarter of 2014, with a roadster version due during the second quarter of 2015.
See Autocar's artist's impression of the next Audi R8
Once again, Audi is planning a two-model line-up, with a base 4.2-litre V8 and range-topping 5.2-litre V10.
Both models receive updated versions of the first-generation R8’s engines, optimised for greater power and fuel economy.
The V10 is said to develop about 550bhp and return 25.7mpg in combination with a new seven-speed, dual-clutch gearbox that is set to underpin changes on a facelifted version of today’s model, due to make its public debut at the Moscow motor show in August.
A follow-up to the limited-production GT is planned, too.
It will run an even more powerful, 580bhp version of Audi’s 5.2-litre V10 and a lightweight body.
It will be aimed at the upcoming Ferrari 458 Scuderia, next-gen Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera and new Porsche 911 GT3, although it isn’t planned to see the light of day until 2016.
New look
As well as acting as a technological figurehead for the rest of the Audi line-up, the next R8 has been earmarked to usher in a new generation of exterior design.
Elements of that will begin to appear on the upcoming all-electric E-Tron - a car that is set to share a large part of its structural architecture with the new R8 coupé and roadster.
Conceptually, the new Audi retains the same fundamentals as today’s model, with a predominantly aluminium structure, long (by supercar standards) wheelbase, roomy two-seat cabin, a mid-engined layout and four-wheel drive.
Despite the apparent similarities, though, essential elements of the new car already seen by Autocar reveal the new R8, known internally under the codename AU724, is a clean-sheet design. It shares only its driveline architecture with the existing model, which has been on sale in the UK since 2007.
Weight loss
Key among the developments destined for the new R8 is a weight reduction programme that sets out to bring the base model in at under 1500kg.
That’s a reduction of at least 60kg on today’s R8, despite the inclusion of greater levels of both passive and active safety measures, including radar controlled anti-collision technology.
The new mid-engined Audi is once again being twinned with sister company Lamborghini’s successor to the Gallardo, codenamed LB724 and due to appear almost a year before the R8, in 2013.
Both cars have been conceived around a modular construction process.
This will allow them to share vital components, including selected parts of a new lightweight carbonfibre and aluminium monocoque that, Autocar can confirm, weighs 198kg.
That’s 24kg less than the all-aluminium structure used by today’s R8.
All up, Audi has included 28.1kg of carbonfibre in the new R8’s structure, including the transmission tunnel, floor, rear bulkhead and B-pillars.
The remaining 169.9kg consists of aluminium and a patented bonding epoxy resin used to join the individual elements together.
By comparison, Audi’s measuring methods put the steel structure of today’s 911 Turbo at 324kg.
Despite using a similar structure, the R8 and Gallardo have different wheelbases.
The R8’s is 30mm longer than the Gallardo’s for greater levels of interior accommodation, including stowage space behind the seats.
By using a shorter wheelbase than the Audi, the structure of the new Lamborghini is a further 3kg lighter, at just 195kg.
Improved engines
Power for the new R8 will come from updated versions of today’s naturally aspirated, 90deg 4.2-litre V8 and 5.2-litre V10.
Insiders at Audi’s quattro operation describe these engines as having the potential to conform to forthcoming EU6 emissions standards, despite concerns over the levels of particulates without the inclusion of a separate filter or complex exhaust gas recycling treatment.
Detailed internal modifications — including an altered variable inlet chamber and a more efficient direct injection process boasting greater injection pressure — will aim to liberate greater reserves.
Nothing is official, but Autocar has been told to expect somewhere in the region of 450bhp for the V8 and up to 550bhp for the V10 in standard guise — up some 20bhp and 25bhp on today’s units.
Other new features, such as cylinder deactivation on part-throttle loads, should help boost economy.
And in line with other recent new Audi models, the R8 is expected to receive a further host of fuel saving measures.
These will include automatic stop-start, brake energy recuperation and a sailing function, similar to that adopted by Porsche on the 911, that idles the engine during prolonged periods of trailing throttle or downhill running.
The retention of naturally aspirated engines rather than adopting turbocharged units stems from a decision to provide the R8 with what one key Audi insider describes as a highly strung nature.
“It is important to retain the engine qualities which have made the current model so successful,” the insider said.
“We want to keep the throttle response, the soaring nature of the delivery and the inherent sound.
It is what sets our car apart from the competition, many of which are now adopting forced induction.”

Greg Kable

[roadrunner]

All sounds very prommising. But sure hope the MK.I R8 signature sideblades will Be retained.

Would be a pitty to lose this design differentiator...

[RXBG]

60kg is 132 lbs. not a whole lot. i was expecting 250 or more. doesn't sound like a clean sheet design to me. who is this guy? and why are the engine outputs eseentially carryover from the upcoming facelift this year? and why is the rendering basically a razor bodykitted current R8? and why is the sky blue?

[The Pretender]

The rendering is fully based on the "Detroit e-tron". ;)

[Al Pettee]

...who is this guy?....

An automotive journalist.... :rolleyes: :cheers:

[ZeroCool]

DSG is not the future IMHO, ISR is because it's much lighter then a double clutch gearbox.

I wonder if we will see any V10 in the next R8 at all.

You're definitely wrong with this ;)
S-Tronic is the future - at least at VW, AUDI

The shift quality in comparison to a DCT is way better...
the next R8 is getting the new s-tronic ..

[RXBG]

Audi is airing an "end of chapter 1 of the R8" commercial here in the US. they must be prepping for the updated car's introduction.


http://www.youtube.com/audiusa?csref=%epid!%eaid!

[HKS786]

http://cdn3.worldcarfans.co/2012/4/3/large/2460470201727468376.jpg

http://www.worldcarfans.com/112040343037/2013-audi-r8-spyder-facelift-spied-undisguised

uncovered spypics of R8 V8 Spyder

[HKS786]

http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Erlkoenig-Audi-R8-Spyder-13-fotoshowImage-e39e0104-585015.jpg
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Erlkoenig-Audi-R8-Spyder-13-fotoshowImage-9fabf875-585017.jpg
http://img4.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Erlkoenig-Audi-R8-Spyder-13-fotoshowImage-cbc82f30-585019.jpg
http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Erlkoenig-Audi-R8-Spyder-13-fotoshowImage-83b45d5e-585020.jpg

[ZeroCool]

like I wrote some time ago...no big surprise ... just the inside of the head and taillights

but I'm not sure if this is a V8 ... i would say it's a GT (exhaust pipes)

[HKS786]

http://www.germancarforum.com/attachments/r8/11515d1333555642-next-audi-r8-facelift-exposed-unofficially-official-photo-audi-r8-refresh-spy-shots-06.jpg
http://www.germancarforum.com/attachments/r8/11511d1333555079-next-audi-r8-facelift-exposed-unofficially-official-photo-audi-r8-refresh-spy-shots-01.jpg

[HKS786]

For a facelift, it is indeed subtle but I think effective. It's not just the headlights/taillights. The front grille and intakes have been changed. They look cleaner and sharper. The V8 looks more like the V10 now.

[RXBG]

i'd like to see how nicely they update the interior. i'd also like to see what effect the DSG has on accel numbers and whether or not they lightened the car up a wee bit. you never know. add 15 hp and remove 50 lbs and maybe it matters. i'd like to see audi throw a ring claim on this one too. the all new car is not too far away.

[ChicagoAudi]

Hope there's more changes under the skin as the exterior updates look lacking. Not quite convinced on the headlamp or taillamp update especially since the 991 looks the part.

[andreadebi]

other fresh new spy-pics r8 facelift

http://www.quattroruote.it/notizie/foto-spia/audi-r8-numerosi-aggiornamenti-in-arrivo?pagina=432863&canaleuscita=-1

[andreadebi]

r8 facelift without camo

http://www.autoblog.it/post/42583/audi-r8-restyling-nuove-foto-spia-senza-camuffature

[youry]

the facelift is so small that its good news for the current models they won't loose their value because of the facelift....