View Full Version : MTM R8 V10 bi-turbo !
AndyBG
February 26th, 2011, 15:34
777 hp
888 Nm
360 km/h !!!
http://www.worldcarfans.com/111022530866/new-mtm-r8-v10-biturbo-set-for-debut
Mr Balsen
February 28th, 2011, 21:02
Car will be displayed at Geneva Show in a few days...
Mr Balsen
February 28th, 2011, 21:10
http://www.mtm-france.com/reportages/2011/Audi%20R8%20MTM%20/AudiR8MTMV10Biturbo_01.jpg
http://www.mtm-france.com/reportages/2011/Audi%20R8%20MTM%20/AudiR8MTMV10Biturbo_02.jpg
http://www.mtm-france.com/reportages/2011/Audi%20R8%20MTM%20/AudiR8MTMV10Biturbo_05.jpg
http://www.mtm-france.com/reportages/2011/Audi%20R8%20MTM%20/AudiR8MTMV10Biturbo_06.jpg
youry
February 28th, 2011, 22:39
how did MTM manage the heat iussues when AUDI had two R8 V10 TT burn....
Al Pettee
March 5th, 2011, 02:04
how did MTM manage the heat iussues when AUDI had two R8 V10 TT burn....
They didn't convert the factory direct injection 5.2L V10, but rather transplanted the RS6TT motor into the car.
The RS6
March 5th, 2011, 12:35
Anyone else notice different wheels in the back? :)
Toto89
March 5th, 2011, 12:57
They didn't convert the factory direct injection 5.2L V10, but rather transplanted the RS6TT motor into the car.
As far as i know, Audi tried the same when the R8's were burned down.
youry
March 6th, 2011, 22:15
this was confirmed by MTM at their stand on thursday. that it is based on RS6 V10 engines. but that does not explaign how sis MTM avoid the hear isues that AUDI did...
Mr Balsen
May 2nd, 2011, 23:01
I drove the car for two full days in Monaco recently. Car is a monster and the chassis is so gooooooood. You hear the engine breathing near your ears. Wastegates are not too far either...
Of course I will not tell you how MTM has done it but more than 1000 hours of work have been spent on the engine, cooling and its manual gearbox...
Somebody did a video while I was driving in Monaco:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFPiCVZv8Sw
Frederic
Ruergard
May 3rd, 2011, 06:45
Nice to hear from you again Frederic, been busy as always. ;) :thumb:
Any nice numbers to tell us?
wedouglas
May 3rd, 2011, 07:28
Tuners in the US have had these TT'd too. Heffner and UGR both have. I'm pretty sure the heat issue was related to the RS6 engine, not the V10 that's currently in it. Two different engines.
Mr Balsen
May 3rd, 2011, 07:42
At this level of power, numbers are useless. Only thing I can tell you to explain you the power of this beast, it is the sole MTM car I drove in the last 10 years where my vision became unclear when rpm was over 5000rpm in 2nd gear... my vision was blur for a fraction of a second...
The weight balance is perfect and it is the best MTM Car I ever drove so far.
Frederic
Ruergard
May 3rd, 2011, 13:29
I guess that says it all then :incar:
wedouglas
May 5th, 2011, 09:28
What's the point of putting the RS6 engine in it when you can TT the 5.2 just fine?
Mr Balsen
May 10th, 2011, 21:49
Pictures when I drove the Beast near Monaco:
http://www.mtm-france.com/reportages/2011/AudiR8Biturbo/AudiR8V10BiMTM_003.jpg
http://www.mtm-france.com/reportages/2011/AudiR8Biturbo/AudiR8V10BiMTM_012.jpg
http://www.mtm-france.com/reportages/2011/AudiR8Biturbo/AudiR8V10BiMTM_043.jpg
http://www.mtm-france.com/reportages/2011/AudiR8Biturbo/AudiR8V10BiMTM_052.jpg
http://www.mtm-france.com/reportages/2011/AudiR8Biturbo/AudiR8V10BiMTM_034.jpg
http://www.mtm-france.com/reportages/2011/AudiR8Biturbo/AudiR8V10BiMTM_001.jpg
Mr Balsen
May 10th, 2011, 21:57
More pictures here:
http://www.mtm-france.com/reportages/2011/AudiR8Biturbo/index.php
Skaala
May 11th, 2011, 10:32
I saw and heard it a few weeks ago at MTM wettstetten....looks fantastic, and sounds even better :)
Mr Balsen
May 13th, 2011, 09:09
On cover page of french magazine dedicated to Audi Fans:
http://www.mtm-france.com/news/AVUS9.jpg
Rosefors
May 29th, 2011, 21:10
With all respect to everyone, but if they’re using the RS6TT or the 5.2 V10 engine really has very little or nothing to do with it. The fact of the matter is that if two engines develop a certain amount of power running on a specific type of fuel, they will most certainly develop similar amount of heat. The question is, how do they dissipate it?
So... there is really no point in believing MTM has managed doing something that the engineers on one of the world’s biggest car manufacturers couldn’t figure out until they put that thing on the ring doing at LEAST 5 subsequent 7.xx minute laps and it still doesn’t smoke.
Mr Balsen
May 29th, 2011, 22:17
MTM has spent more than 1000 hours of work solely on the engine/gearbox of this car....
Rosefors
May 30th, 2011, 00:22
Ya.. and.......... ?? That’s hardly any evidence of a job well done as long as we dont know exactly what is done or on what level of engineering. I mean.. lets assume they were 5 people working on this upgrade project. Thats no more than 5 weeks of development time, where at least 30% of that is administration, coffee drinking or some other kind of spill time. Hardly anything to brag about. And, I sure believe the engineers at MTM are good at what they do (being welding pipes and programming ECUs) but we're not talking about Lockheed Martin class of engineering here.
The RS6
May 30th, 2011, 15:49
Ya.. and.......... ?? That’s hardly any evidence of a job well done as long as we dont know exactly what is done or on what level of engineering. I mean.. lets assume they were 5 people working on this upgrade project. Thats no more than 5 weeks of development time, where at least 30% of that is administration, coffee drinking or some other kind of spill time. Hardly anything to brag about. And, I sure believe the engineers at MTM are good at what they do (being welding pipes and programming ECUs) but we're not talking about Lockheed Martin class of engineering here.
1000 Hours = 125 non-stop working days. That's 25 weeks, not 5 :)
Half a year actually...
Toto89
May 30th, 2011, 17:25
Well, i think that the fact Audi gave up this project was not because they couldn't solve cooling if they really wanted. It's a completely different thing that the way of cooling this engine in this car is profitable or acceptable within a project of such a car manufacturer. Just think about the Veyron: it was possible to cool down a W16 Quad-turbo engine mounted in the middle sufficiently...the questions are about costs, with the R8, it didn't worth for them.
kismetcapitan
July 28th, 2011, 12:47
I'd wondered about this, and that is actually what I think is the answer. The R8, while being Audi's halo car, *has* to come in at a price point, as well as have less power than it could have. With a fully blown 5.2 TT FSI engine, it would be easy to offer a car with more power than the Gallardo, and the R8 has to marketed in a way that does not cannibalize Gallardo sales. Note that the R8 GT is offered only *after* the Superleggera was released, and the GT gives us an idea of what the R8 would have been had Audi simply transplanted the LP560-4 powerplant without modifications to detune it.
Other considerations on top of cost could have come into play. Say the solution they found required eliminating interior space - going against Audi's general code of comfortable and practical interiors. Or if it required cooling vents on top of the roof like the Veyron SS. This would compromise the styling of the car and it could have been vetoed right then and there (not the first time in the industry - when Nissan developed the legendary AWD Skyline drivetrain, it was meant to go into the 1990 300ZX. However, the straight six twin turbo won't fit without either giving up the front drive axles, or adding a bulge in the hood. The car's styling was absolutely non-negotiable: not one line on the design could be changed. So they found a different engine, went with RWD, and stuck their masterpiece engine/drivetrain into the homely Skyline two-door sedan).
No doubt VAG is capable of turning the R8 into a raging 700bhp monster. But then at that price and performance, it steps on Lamborghini's toes, and if the styling has to go the way of the Veyron to handle cooling...well, does VAG really want a "baby Veyron" in its lineup?