Gtr

[JSRS6]

Pretty sure I just made the owner want to tune his. :hihi:

[speedtrapped]

wasnt even close I bet....

[JSRS6]

wasnt even close I bet....

It was a "valiant" effort....speaking of efforts, there was this dumb little mustang GT with a body kit and a couple hillbillys inside on our way back from dc sunday. Once traffic thinned, I let him in front. Told my wife it was like one of the cat toys we get for the kittens. I'd go about a third throttle to keep up with him while he was WOT, then I'd just go around him like it was nothing. I may have pissed a few people off on that trip who thought they were fast :hihi:

[MaxRS6]

That's the way to represent us out there!

[JSRS6]

That's the way to represent us out there!

Haha, I can't tell if you are being serious or not, Mr. Maxwell.

[MaxRS6]

Of course I'm honored to drive among men among the mice.

Keep the trap full of cheese...

[JSRS6]

Of course I'm honored to drive among men among the mice.

Keep the trap full of cheese...

Hilarious!

[ben916]

Of course I'm honored to drive among men among the mice.

Keep the trap full of cheese...

LMAO!
I had a 04 Cobra on Saturday morning just before the MAF connector guide dropped down the rabbit hole, I got right on this a$$, he politely moved right and failed to take the bait... grrr...
Then a Porsche Cayenne turbo S (big boat of a thing) on the way home, not even sure that was a challenge or worth the gas...

I had a handful of Camrys, Corollas and Hyundais that wanted to sniff my tailpipe (WTF is that all about?!?!?)

[JSRS6]

LMAO!
I had a 04 Cobra on Saturday morning just before the MAF connector guide dropped down the rabbit hole, I got right on this a$$, he politely moved right and failed to take the bait... grrr...
Then a Porsche Cayenne turbo S (big boat of a thing) on the way home, not even sure that was a challenge or worth the gas...

I had a handful of Camrys, Corollas and Hyundais that wanted to sniff my tailpipe (WTF is that all about?!?!?)

Thats EXACTLY what that mustang did, and the jetta 1.8t behind him...

[skribe]

You're not saying you outran a GT-R are you?
If you did get your car to the strip cause it runs 11s.

[DHall1]

Dont doubt the stage2 Eurocharge there Mr Skribster. Aces + stage2=game over

[Ruergard]

Dont doubt the stage2 Eurocharge there Mr Skribster. Aces + stage2=game over

Power figures on that? And performance figures for a RS6 with that tune?

I have to say that I'm having a little hard to believe this but I've been wrong before. :D

[PALETTE]

What did you dyno? The GTR is one Quick car out of the box and if it had a tune that would really wake it up, To bad its a Xbox with Doors

[JSRS6]

Here is what i found on the "wiki":

2007-2010 Nissan GT-R(assuming stock):
485 bhp (362 kW) at 6400 rpm and 434 lb·ft (588 N·m) at 3200-5200 rpm
curb weight: 3800lbs
0-62: 3.8 w/o launch control(dual clutch tranny)

2003 Audi RS-6(stage 1):
525bhp(assuming 25%drivetrain loss)@6000rpm and 560 lb-ft peak at 3200rpm and 500 lb-ft @5200rpm
curb weight: 4057

2003 Audi RS-6(stage 2)
525bhp @ 5k-6k (525bhp@5k-6k) and 625 lb-ft at 3400rpms
0-62: est. 3.9(waiting on you Stephen)

[speedtrapped]

tell me about it Josh....I ordered the pbox 1/18, no email, no tracking #, missed shipping date....starting to get a little frustrated.

[PALETTE]

tell me about it Josh....I ordered the pbox 1/18, no email, no tracking #, missed shipping date....starting to get a little frustrated.

NOOOOOOO!!!!!! Where did you order it from??
I could have got you a deal!


And why not the VAG COM???

[JSRS6]

tell me about it Josh....I ordered the pbox 1/18, no email, no tracking #, missed shipping date....starting to get a little frustrated.

Thats pretty shitty. I say dispute the charge on your credit card, and use some of the refund on the deal from palette.

[speedtrapped]

Palette, it was actually a link Mike sent me, and it was paypal thru ebay-I am giving them till today(as per my 2nd email) to respond, if not cxling transaction. Also not sure what u mean vag com?

[PALETTE]

Wow thats sucks!!

Let me know if you need.
I dont mind finding out even if we can do a Group buy?

If anyone need let me know i can also lend mine out, as long as you pay shipping back and forth. AND DONT BREAK IT!!
No i ment the Vag Com does it not give out 0-60 numbers?

[JSRS6]

It does, but i think the argument is that if we all use the same performance measuring device, there will be less "confusion"...

[speedtrapped]

ty palette.....I still want it, if I cant get a straight answer today, it is getting cxl and then I will PM for another source.

[JSRS6]

What would be very enlightening is if someone used the p-box AND the vag-com at the same time to gauge their delta, if any.

[speedtrapped]

I spoke with pbox vendor, very sorry, order slipped thru crack....sending it out today with tracking #......I can try the 2 when I get the pbox Josh, but will need assistant....a skinny one

[JSRS6]

Ok...was that a hint?

[speedtrapped]

lol, nah unless u want to come to beautiful NJ...

[SteveKen]

This looks awesome:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaV-zjswFI

I've heard of some kind of backdoor launch control on the B5 S4's that some of the homebrewers have done.

Anyone out there want to venture in this territory? On the RS6, I'm thinking that gear pieces and other shrapnel will fly out like bobby pins on that witch on the bugs bunny cartoons.

[JSRS6]

Indeed. I miss launching in my s4. One reason I really want to do the 6-speed conversion. By the time I do it, everything should be ironed out. And yeah, that's 3.2 0-62 with launch control.

[PALETTE]

or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdA3eHFr2sA

[JSRS6]

I love car porn.

[speedtrapped]

this is even dirtier porn.......

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/f1-warm-up/2c1a22094d98ab8d7c222c1a22094d98ab8d7c22-411959033867?q=f1+warm+up&FROM=LKVR5&GT1=LKVR5&FORM=LKVR3&adlt=strict

[skribe]

[QUOTE=SteveKen;206362]This looks awesome:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaV-zjswFI

Love it or hate it, they call it Godzilla for a reason. A C5 RS 6 with stock trans and turbos would be hard-pressed to keep up with a GT-R. Not that you couldn't hang with it and slowly lose lengths as some speeds, but beat it? Herrrmmmmm.

[RXBG]

This looks awesome:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaV-zjswFI

I've heard of some kind of backdoor launch control on the B5 S4's that some of the homebrewers have done.

Anyone out there want to venture in this territory? On the RS6, I'm thinking that gear pieces and other shrapnel will fly out like bobby pins on that witch on the bugs bunny cartoons.

what you miss on the long version is that they did it multiple times, cleaned the tarmac meticulously, went over each tire by hand and removed debris, dried the tires, checked and rechecked and readjusted the tire pressure before they finally got a launch with that number. if every manufacturer did that the average 0-60 time of most sports cars would drop by half a second. oh, and they put nitrogen in their tires.

[yokust]

Love it or hate it, they call it Godzilla for a reason. A C5 RS 6 with stock trans and turbos would be hard-pressed to keep up with a GT-R. Not that you couldn't hang with it and slowly lose lengths as some speeds, but beat it? Herrrmmmmm.

Agreed, I find it very hard to believe you come anywhere close to beating one of these

I run one of the local guys who has one, with exhaust pretty often after some car gatherings. And he pulls on me, he is not walking away by any means

Adding: By local guy, I mean the guy who owns GoFast Energy in town. Its flat black wrapped with the gofast logo down the side

[JSRS6]

I think it's entirely possible that he could beat me from a dig. But this was rolling. We made a right turn, I made my intentions known, we made a slight left onto a straightaway and he downshifted and dropped the pedal. Sounded great. But as soon as he did I did. He started pulling as he made boost earlier due to gunning it first. And he definitely took off. But I slowly started gaining on him. Then he let off, assuming he knew it wasn't a fair fight. I don't find it hard to believe based on the figures.

[yokust]

I still fully disagree, but I was not there to witness it.

If you search, most of the R35 GTR's have dyno'ed bone stock WELL WELL above what Nissan claims they make stock. On multiple dyno's. There are plenty of them out there that have made 450whp bone stock .

So a car that makes more hp then our cars, and weighs less is going to rock us BOTTOM LINE.

Don't get me wrong, I will still take my RS6 hands down before a R35

[Ruergard]

As yokust I'm still having it hard to believe this. Those GT-R are wicked fast and runs 12-13 seconds to 0-200 km/h. Thats way fast than a C5 RS6 and quicker than a C6 RS6.

So again, what numbers are we talking for a Stage 2 Eurocharged car?

Not wanting this not to be true, just really wan't to be sure. :D :thumb:

[DHall1]

You guys are funny. What started out as a simple jab to Skribe about Aces has ended up being a full blown debate on which car is faster. I was being somewhat sarcastic about my quote and game over.

I would be the first one to drive and modify a GTR and by no means knock the vehicle. But as Josh has noted, it was fun running door to door with one given we have these 7yr/old forgotten 4doors.

As for Stage 2 proof. If you read the threads we have clearly provided documented evidence of dyno and data log data and Josh as provided some numbers in this thread.

All good fun.


Dont doubt the stage2 Eurocharge there Mr Skribster. Aces + stage2=game over

[JSRS6]

The reason that the gtr is able to achieve those awe inspiring times is because, as inside line puts it, "The 2009 Nissan gtr isn't simply a car with a lot of power, It's a car that makes the most out of the power it has." when the car is already rolling, it loses some of that advantage. I did dyno research on stock GT-r's. The numbers vary from low 400's for Hp and tq to mid/high 400's Hp and tq. There is a large variance. The curb weight is ~3800lbs. The rs6 curb weight varies more. The official quoted weight of 4027 was likely on a rs6 without the solar sunroof, 19"rims and tires, or any of the sunshades. So let's say 200lb difference. A stage 2 eurocharged tune is around 420-430hp and 500-505tq at the wheels.

[JSRS6]

You guys are funny. What started out as a simple jab to Skribe about Aces has ended up being a full blown debate on which car is faster. I was being somewhat sarcastic about my quote and game over.

I would be the first one to drive and modify a GTR and by no means knock the vehicle. But as Josh has noted, it was fun running door to door with one given we have these 7yr/old forgotten 4doors.

As for Stage 2 proof. If you read the threads we have clearly provided documented evidence of dyno and data log data and Josh as provided some numbers in this thread.

All good fun.

What he said. :hihi:

[JSRS6]

The reason that the gtr is able to achieve those awe inspiring times is because, as inside line puts it, "The 2009 Nissan gtr isn't simply a car with a lot of power, It's a car that makes the most out of the power it has." when the car is already rolling, it loses some of that advantage. I did dyno research on stock GT-r's. The numbers vary from low 400's for Hp and tq to mid/high 400's Hp and tq. There is a large variance. The curb weight is ~3800lbs. The rs6 curb weight varies more. The official quoted weight of 4027 was likely on a rs6 without the solar sunroof, 19"rims and tires, or any of the sunshades. So let's say 200lb difference. A stage 2 eurocharged tune is around 420-430hp and 500-505tq at the wheels.

I forgot to add my car has none of those extras. Lightest version of our car.

[DHall1]

I will throw down with any stock GTR from a roll.

[eurotunedrs6]

I do need another mod to go with my upgraded intercoolers! You really got me thnking Dhall...

I've been wanting to chip it, but I need to change the timing belt soon and that has priority. I rode in a gtr, and I that was pretty insane. I would be prefectly fine if my car could pull that hard!

[MaxRS6]

I've been pointed by... :)

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/IMG_3121.jpg?t=1295999783
http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/IMG_3122.jpg?t=1295999783
http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/IMG_3123.jpg?t=1295999783

[Brav]

GTRs are fast.. My friend had bolt ons and 630hp. I raced it against my Noble, which hardly anything beats me.. and we were almost neck and neck. Your car is fast.. and/or his is definitely stock/bad driver/auto mode.

[JSRS6]

I've been pointed by... :)

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/IMG_3121.jpg?t=1295999783
http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/IMG_3122.jpg?t=1295999783
http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/IMG_3123.jpg?t=1295999783

Thanks max. :addict:

[JSRS6]

I've been pointed by... :)

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/IMG_3121.jpg?t=1295999783
http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/IMG_3122.jpg?t=1295999783
http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/IMG_3123.jpg?t=1295999783

Do you have the video?

[MaxRS6]

I don't think i had the camera recording during the GT-R pass. Here are a couple I had of the same track event. The rain had a lot of the drivers being bystanders...

http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/th_HPT2010Session3.jpg (http://s827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/?action=view&current=HPT2010Session3.mp4)
http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/th_HPT2010Session6.jpg (http://s827.photobucket.com/albums/zz195/MaxRS6/2010%20HPT/?action=view&current=HPT2010Session6.mp4)

[speedtrapped]

damn get me that Pbox!

[skribe]

Come on dudes. Obviously I loves me some RS 6.

But are we now saying C5 RS 6's can beat GT-Rs not just in a straight line but on the track too? Have you seen the Nordschleife times that thing throws down? Enzo, Zonda, Viper ACR territories.

[JSRS6]

Nissan GT-R 7:38
STOCK RS 6: 8:20
difference: .42s
Tuned rs6: faster?

[ben916]

Nissan GT-R 7:38
STOCK RS 6: 8:20
difference: .42s
Tuned rs6: faster?

Same Driver?
Same Day?
Stock off the shelf "Gozilla" GT-R or was it "Press released" car?
Stock off the shelf C5 RS6 or was it "Press released" car?

How are the GT-R's launch controlled transmissions holding up?

I am not for either side but a kill is a kill...

[JSRS6]

According to Nissan, launch control is designated in the manual to only be used for getting out of slippery areas or snow. I smell a legal disclaimer. 07-10 GT-r's still on the showroom were updated with the same programming as the '10 and up launch control in an effort to preserve the transmissions and "improve times" since that is the peak of the torque curve. Not sure how that helps the tranny:hihi: New launch rpm is around 3200.

[MaxRS6]

Come on dudes. Obviously I loves me some RS 6.

But are we now saying C5 RS 6's can beat GT-Rs not just in a straight line but on the track too? Have you seen the Nordschleife times that thing throws down? Enzo, Zonda, Viper ACR territories.

I'm not saying that- I just happened to go by one when a camera was handy and threw it in for the fun conversation. Heck- I've had a turbo Miata blow my doors on curves- There are always faster cars and faster drivers and the combo of the variables makes fun...

[JSRS6]

Same Driver?
Definitely not.
Same Day?
A little over 4 years apart.

........

[skribe]

Nissan GT-R 7:38
STOCK RS 6: 8:20
difference: .42s
Tuned rs6: faster?

42 seconds on the Nordschleife is huge... diminishing returns start kicking in really hard in that envelope, i.e. it takes a factor more power to get faster once you're up there beyond where a C5 RS 6 sits... A seam-welded, lightened, C5 RS 6 with KW3s and fat sways, running 295 rubber, a six-speed conversion, tube headers, GT30s, DPs and a proper tune? OK. Just a tune and toluene? Nuh-uh.

[ben916]

According to Nissan, launch control is designated in the manual to only be used for getting out of slippery areas or snow. I smell a legal disclaimer. 07-10 GT-r's still on the showroom were updated with the same programming as the '10 and up launch control in an effort to preserve the transmissions and "improve times" since that is the peak of the torque curve. Not sure how that helps the tranny:hihi: New launch rpm is around 3200.


Um... yeah... Those videos of the hard launches, I must have missed the snow on that perfect dragstrip.

I predict some trashed transmissions, rear diffs, twisted pretzeled drivelines, etc...

I know there are some muscle car kids on here:
What does hard launches do to a transmission (note: I didn't write TRANNY)
What does hard launches do to a rear differential? (note: I didn't write DIFFY)

[V8weight]

Um... yeah... Those videos of the hard launches, I must have missed the snow on that perfect dragstrip.

I predict some trashed transmissions, rear diffs, twisted pretzeled drivelines, etc...

I know there are some muscle car kids on here:
What does hard launches do to a transmission (note: I didn't write TRANNY)
What does hard launches do to a rear differential? (note: I didn't write DIFFY)
I have a pile of broken posi carriers, ring and pinions, and transmissions from the El Camino to answer that question.........

[ben916]

........

I am not disputing this.

What I am saying is that the difference in time/years and conditions don't present/offer a fair representation of either vehicles abilities.
More than likely a stacked deck for the GT-R...

[skribe]

And the Nissan has five years of technology on our beloved beast, including a twin-clutch trans that is 5x more responsive and 10x faster shifting than the old slushbox.

Going round in circles... Finding it ironic that the first rs 6 i rode in was my buddy Kash's car, which is what infected me with the rs 6 virus. Guess what Kash drives today? A gt-r. In his opinion it is most definitely faster, but like people say, the car has no soul.

He's demanding a drive in my beast next time he's in town... He tells me the rs-6 was his favorite car he ever owned, and he's owned some beauties.

[DHall1]

Ben,

Much of what you said here and before was spot on target. Many lap times are from fully prepped "stock" cars. Example of the CTSV lap time. I personally inspected that vehicle last year at Barrett Jackson.

That CTSV was by no means stock. The car was not even legal to drive on US roads and sold on a bill of sale only.

Roll bar
Weight loss
Wheels/tires/alignment with special shocks
Sparco or whatever lightweight seats.

You get the idea.

I bet the GTR was prepped just as well or even better.


I am not disputing this.

What I am saying is that the difference in time/years and conditions don't present/offer a fair representation of either vehicles abilities.
More than likely a stacked deck for the GT-R...

[iconcls]

A GT-R and a C5 RS 6; this thread is amusing.




How are the GT-R's launch controlled transmissions holding up?


Oh, and ask me what number RS 6 tranny I'm on

[JSRS6]

A GT-R and a C5 RS 6; this thread is amusing.

I am of the same mind. I just came on here to report on my "kill". I don't know what the other guy was doing in his car. I know what I heard. A downshift and flooring it. If I see that GT-R again, I'll let you all know if it's repeatable. He didn't look to be much of a conversationalist. Is he just a prick or was he pissed? I don't know. There are two known GT-R's in the area. This one(grey) and a red one. I've seen both, and I know the approximate area they work. This is an assumption due to the frequency of sightings midday.

If I rubbed someone the wrong way, I'm sorry. Shit happens. It's just a thread.

[SteveKen]

I could go into a bunch of things here, but simply think of this:

How many of the fast cars sold actually have owners that care to race them? (on the street or track or strip for that matter)

If the RS6 is in this company, then I'm one of them. Just my $0.02

[skribe]

No way, debate is fun. It's a car forum, that's what it's for. :)

[JSRS6]

No way, debate is fun. It's a car forum, that's what it's for. :)

Amen!!!!

[RXBG]

moral of the story. never tell a GTR owner that his car is slower than yours, because it isn't. no matter what car you have.

[JSRS6]

moral of the story. never tell a GTR owner that his car is slower than yours, because it isn't. no matter what car you have.

Then I guess it's a good thing he didn't feel like talking :hihi::hihi::hihi:

[DHall1]

Not the moral of my story.

[JSRS6]

Not the moral of my story.

Sharing is caring, Dave:hihi:

[ben916]

moral of the story. never tell a GTR owner that his car is slower than yours, because it isn't. no matter what car you have.

I tend to disagree with this generalization...

[SteveKen]

Another generalization:

There's always a faster car than yours out there.

It could even be disguised as a rusted out 1990 Chevy cavalier, but I digress.

[ben916]

Another generalization:

There's always a faster car than yours out there.

It could even be disguised as a rusted out 1990 Chevy cavalier, but I digress.

I tend to agree with this generalization...

[RXBG]

I tend to agree with this generalization...

and i tend to agree with this generalization of yours. generally.

[DHall1]

I pee on the GTR


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHIjLIjVnq0

[MaxRS6]

Is that a new type of dyno graph??

[ttboost]

Funny thread..everyone is so sensitive. Looks at trap speeds. Stock for stock, GT-R is 15-20mph faster? Clearly a GT-R is faster. But any car can beat any other car on any given day and it is fun to beat a faster car, as long as both drivers know it's a race!!!!.

[skribe]

I pee on the GTR


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHIjLIjVnq0

So, what you're saying, Dave, is that you're a small dog in a sweater. Just trying to clarify.