Info about new Murcielago and a new car by Lambo

[andreadebi]

From 0-60 Magazine website:

Exclusive: New Lamborghini Models
Dealers to get first look at new V12 coupe and top-secret Lambo.
You know how Lamborghini has been releasing teaser photos of its newest model online, before the car’s Paris Motor Show debut? Well, it looks like the car maker may be bringing two vehicles to market. U.S. Lamborghini dealers are scheduled to head to Sant’Agata next Thursday for a very special presentation—their first look at two different cars. According to the copy of the schedule we obtained, the company will unveil a car known as the “LB715-5″ along with something called the “83X.”
According to our source, the LB715-5 refers to the new V12-powered model designated to replace the Murcielago, colloquially known as the Jota. Details are still scarce at this point, but we know the car will use a direct-injection V12 and a carbon-fiber tub reportedly made by Carbo Tech of Austria, the same folks who build the tub for the McLaren MP4-12C. The “715″ may refer to the expected horsepower output of the car; we’ve also heard that an 825 horsepower version may be coming at some point. The LB715-5 will be priced somewhere around the half-million dollar mark, making it a good deal pricier than the current Murcielago, which starts at $354,000.
As for the 83X mentioned in the agenda (see below)…well, nobody outside Sant’Agata seems to know what it will be. Popular rumor has it the car may be a Gallardo successor; however, there’s also speculation it could be a production version of the Estoque sedan, or even a GT car destined to butt heads with the Ferrari 599 GTB/GTO. But nobody knows for sure—not even our well-connected sources.
Either way, given the simultaneous unveiling for dealers on September 23rd, odds seem promising Lamborghini will be unveiling both cars to the public at the Paris Motor Show. (A double reveal could also explain why Lamborghini released a teaser image of a ten-cylinder engine when everyone was expecting just to see pictures of the new V12-powered model.) Given Lamborghini CEO Stephan Winkelmann’s August statement that a sedan would slot nicely into the company’s lineup, a production Estoque seems a strong possibility; however, the Gallardo is seven years old at this point, so a replacement for that car wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility either. (Keep in mind, Ferrari has gone through the 360 Modena, F430 and the 458 Italia in the time the Gallardo has been in production.) Hopefully we’ll have all the answers we crave after Lamborghini’s press conference at the Paris Motor Show…

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7448/lamboparis.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lamboparis.jpg)

[ZeroCool]

for the LB715-5 they're talking about unveiling, presentation and commercial information...

the 83X on the other side has a product brief and design, technical features, unveiling, commercial information and production processes presentation ... so i think this is a completly new car ... because of that they go that much in detail...if it's "just" a new gallardo, that wouldn't be necessary IMO...

Paris is going to be veeeryyy interesting ;)

[andreadebi]

seems one is the new Jota and the other one a concept
I also read that 83x is the codename of the new murcielago..we will see soon ;)

[RXBG]

LP570 replacement would make sense. they've done just about all they can with the current car. since lambo likes to intro a new version of an existing car each major auto show the conspicuous absence of yet another version of the LP in that agenda that was posted says alot. it seems almost a bit much to think that that both major models of this company could be replaced at the same time and shown at the same time, though. it sounds like a production car, not a concept, so it would have to be either the gallardo replacement or the estoque sedan. anything else would have to be a concept. and since they have a "production brief" scheduled then we know that the 83x can't be a concept. if it is the gallardo replacement it'll say alot about what the next R8 could be.

[andreadebi]

LP570 replacement would make sense. they've done just about all they can with the current car. since lambo likes to intro a new version of an existing car each major auto show the conspicuous absence of yet another version of the LP in that agenda that was posted says alot. it seems almost a bit much to think that that both major models of this company could be replaced at the same time and shown at the same time, though. it sounds like a production car, not a concept, so it would have to be either the gallardo replacement or the estoque sedan. anything else would have to be a concept. and since they have a "production brief" scheduled then we know that the 83x can't be a concept. if it is the gallardo replacement it'll say alot about what the next R8 could be.

seems a bit strange 2 new completely model at the same time..above all on marketing side ;)

[hdtomi]

http://www.autogespot.com/nl/item/8895/parijs-2010-lamborghini-gallardo-lp570-4-performance.html

http://log.autogespot.com/09-2010/performance/1.jpg
http://log.autogespot.com/09-2010/performance/2.jpg

[Ruergard]

That seems logic..?

[hdtomi]

Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Blancpain Edition

http://www.kldconcept.com/

http://www.kldconcept.com/gallery-onews-gv8255.html

http://www.kldconcept.com/photos/Lp570_SL/blancpain//lp570-4_blancpain_edition.jpg

[andreadebi]

from the latest issue of italian magazine Quattroruote,very close to italian manufacturers (it was also the first to show the pics of lp560-4)

here my scans of the article...it add confusion!

*v12 6.5l not DI,770hp @ 9.000rpm
*7-speed e-gear updated,by graziano trasmissioni,50ms to complete gearchange
multiple grafts with four poles, each dedicated to a couple of gears
no dct to save weight
*1.500kg
*awd Haldex 4th generation
*chassis very stiff, 14.000nm,the double of current one

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6535/11360323.jpg (http://img839.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11360323.jpg)
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6458/69060697.jpg (http://img842.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69060697.jpg)
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3049/76227794.jpg (http://img713.imageshack.us/my.php?image=76227794.jpg)
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3308/79289128.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=79289128.jpg)

It seams that the car will be an evolution, rather then a revolution. Quattroruote writes, some could be disappointed... In fact, the changes are most under the skin, with a new carbon chassis, developped with the support of Boeing. The result is less weight (a bit more then 1500kg in total), and less production costs*. They mention also that the new chassis will cost 1/3 compared to the previous one.

In general, as the new car should not cost more than the existing Murcielago, the cost cutting measures seams to play a role in the development, considering that in 2009 Lamborghini has a negative before-tax result (loss) of 35 Mio. Euro.

In any case, the updates of the V12 Motor, gearbox, interior and the new chassis should help Lamborghini to move in a new "era", and the future will be already represented with a prototype to be shown in Paris and called "sesto elemento" or "the sixt element". This prototype will show the new technologies coming in the Lamborghini products of the future. Finally, Quattroruote mentions the possibility to see a third range of car in the future: an answer to the Aston Martin Rapide, already seen as "Estoque".

[andreadebi]

http://www.autogespot.com/nl/item/8895/parijs-2010-lamborghini-gallardo-lp570-4-performance.html

http://log.autogespot.com/09-2010/performance/1.jpg
http://log.autogespot.com/09-2010/performance/2.jpg

*@ Paris will be unveiled the Superleggera Spyder called Performance (this will confirm my supposition that 715-5 is the progressive number of gallardo's versions)

info from another source about new Murcielago

*presentation new Jota april/may 2011,on sale may/june 2011
*interior very reventon style
*rear thin led lights estoque style
*double clutch gearbox (?)
*front wheels 19",rear 20"
*power +/- 700hp
*v12 6.7 ,the same SV,but a new one
*0-100 km/h 2,9s

[ChicagoAudi]

I'm starting to believe that the 83XX is the Murcielago replacement and the LB715-5 is a prototype sedan similar to the Estoque.

Here's why. The current Gallardo and Murcielago model designation begins with LP. LP stands for Longitudinale Posteriore or longitudinal rear, the configuration of the engine is along the longitudinal axis and rear of the cabin. The Miura had a transverse mid-engine configuration. The Italian word for sedan is berlina thus we have Longitudinale Berlina or LB. The 715 is the horsepower and -5 indicates the number of seats.

[RXBG]

andrea- thanks for scanning!

chicago- nice work. i'd hate to have you on my trail as a sleuth! nice job on that one.

[andreadebi]

I'm starting to believe that the 83XX is the Murcielago replacement and the LB715-5 is a prototype sedan similar to the Estoque.

Here's why. The current Gallardo and Murcielago model designation begins with LP. LP stands for Longitudinale Posteriore or longitudinal rear, the configuration of the engine is along the longitudinal axis and rear of the cabin. The Miura had a transverse mid-engine configuration. The Italian word for sedan is berlina thus we have Longitudinale Berlina or LB. The 715 is the horsepower and -5 indicates the number of seats.

715 is the codename of gallardo
I thought about the code-number "715-5"... 715-1 could be lp560 coupè, 715-2 lp560 spyder,715-3 balboni,715-4 lp570 sl and now the latest version 715-5 lp spyder superleggera

[andreadebi]

other insider news about new murcielago

CF monocell is really advanced, design is shocking, I was shown a pic for a short while and I can say that it looks absolutely different from what we are seeing now on camo'ed test mules, design is almost completely hidden from clear viewing. Design is very shocking in a good, it looks a bit like Reventon, but without rather doubtful nuances in Reventon styling. Full LED lights are beautiful, active aerodynamics are very impressive. All I can say and stick to what I have said - almost no one will be disappointed.

Speaking about tech details, no DCT was not so pleasant for me, I waited for it, but I was told that new tranny will be brilliant and it will work like a beast and will suit a character of the car better than DCT unit.

Interior is absolutely new, cluster unit is digital, new sitting position not like Murcielago anymore, new infotaiment system, more legroom. Interior is so sporty and really great that words are hardly to describe - you must see it.

Quattroruote is a bit optimistic about hp output and wrong about car being an evolution, it is a revolution, it will be one of hottest supercars to hit the market. Speaking about acceleration expect sub-3.0 seconds 0-100 km/h time (some sources mention exact numbers - 2.9 seconds) and about 370 km/h max speed.

And now its for sure - official launch will take place at Geneva auto show in March 2011

[andreadebi]

This Spyder will be launched in a coming weeks for sure and it will not be named in English, accoring to my source the final name is yet to be decided . Car is not coming to Paris for sure

[artur777]

So what will presented by Lambo in Paris?

[andreadebi]

So what will presented by Lambo in Paris?

Gallardo Blancpain Edition and Technology Demonstrator concept car we all saw teasers of

[darkop]

http://blogautomobile.fr/lamborghini-teaser-83035
:hahahehe:

[hdtomi]

http://blogautomobile.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Lambo.jpg

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/28/lamborghini-sesto-elemento-concept-may-be-the-tease-of-paris/

[The RS6]

Wait, wait, wait, hold on...600Hp and less than a ton?!

[andreadebi]

Wait, wait, wait, hold on...600Hp and less than a ton?!

yes

Lamborghini Sesto elemento

The total weight is only 999kg. The vehicle is powered by a V10 engine reviewed from top to bottom. The top speed to be announced will be exceeding 350km/h (217,5mph) and a sprint from zero 0 to 100km/h (62mph) is done in just 2.5 seconds. The concept shows the entire world the future of lightweight Lamborghini supersports cars

Will be unveiled on a weight-balance @ paris

[ChicagoAudi]

Lamborghini Sesto Elemento official release:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/110092928697/lamborghini-sixth-element-concept-officially-unveiled

This car is simply amazing. The fabrication technologies and aerodynamics are beyond reproach.

[RXBG]

the wave of the future shall be:

bragging not about how much horsepower your car has, but how much it weighs.

[Fab]

Lets wait for final real weight and power but so far this think looks insane and seems to bring sportcars into a new era. Whow !

[MrBucket]

The thing with the new Sesto Elemento is that the chassis is not made of traditional carbon fiber that is laid in molds in sheets, it is forged carbon fiber that can be injected into molds much quicker and far less expensive. It is also supposedly stronger than traditional carbon fiber as the carbon threads in it are in a random order and not a fixed weave like the carbon we are used to today. For an example of forged carbon already in use take a look at this Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore's bezel.

http://www.worldwatchreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/audemars-piguet-royal-oak-offshore-tourbillon-chronograph-ref-26288of-oo-d002cr-01-watch.jpg