What is going on here?

[V8weight]

Guess my project for today.
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/001-13.jpg

[DHall1]

Oh, oh, oh...I know, I know, I know

Teacher can I answer that question? Please?

Dammit that car is going to scream. I'm gonna get spanked in Colorado next month.

[snoopra]

Me, me, me! um....something to do with..um..removing something?...heh heh..trans?
Where did you get that engine support? Can you post pics of where those jack stands are placed?

[ben916]

Ok, Ok, OK! I will play your silly game..... what IS going on here???

[V8weight]

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/005-15.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/004-17.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/006-17.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/003-17.jpg

[ben916]

um, didn't we chat about this SLIGHTLY last night??

Also, with the Phaeton, no word/reply yet...

[V8weight]

um, didn't we chat about this SLIGHTLY last night??

Also, with the Phaeton, no word/reply yet...

Yep! I managed to find the studs and nuts that I needed this morning, and tore into it at about 2:00. Nothing to it. If anyone has any specific photo requests, post them up here before it starts going back together.

[ben916]

Pat,

sorry for my ignorance, but what is this gonna do for your Rocket Ship 6?
More spooling noise?

[Aronis]

so the Oxygen Sensors before and after the CAT CAN BE REPLACED without an engine pull???

[Aronis]

So what was the process, I see the engine support, and I am thinking you removed some big cross member from below?? By the way, how much weight can the fenders hold??

I too am curious about the position of the jack stand, it look like close to the normal jack point for the front ones, but the more rearward set?

[DHall1]

This could mean another 30-50hp put down to the wheels.

Flow is good when you turn up the wick with more boost.

Primary cats kill flow and help create more backpressure.

Backpressure kills boost.

More boost, more flow, more power.

Dammit


Pat,

sorry for my ignorance, but what is this gonna do for your Rocket Ship 6?
More spooling noise?

[V8weight]

so the Oxygen Sensors before and after the CAT CAN BE REPLACED without an engine pull???


So what was the process, I see the engine support, and I am thinking you removed some big cross member from below?? By the way, how much weight can the fenders hold??

I too am curious about the position of the jack stand, it look like close to the normal jack point for the front ones, but the more rearward set?
Alright, still hard at work here, but I took pics of the jack stand locations, and YES, the primary and secondary O2's can be changed without removing the engine assembly, as well as the EGT's, Transmission, and TC. All you need is a transverse bar to support the engine.

[V8weight]

This could mean another 30-50hp put down to the wheels.

Flow is good when you turn up the wick with more boost.

Primary cats kill flow and help create more backpressure.

Backpressure kills boost.

More boost, more flow, more power.

Dammit
Should sound damn cool too! :music:

[DHall1]

Oh hell yes


Should sound damn cool too! :music:

[snoopra]

Great pics as always, be sure to post pics of everything! Wheel wells, on top engine, etc.

[V8weight]

I finished up around 12:30, sounds spectacular! I have a ton of additional photos to post tomorrow, but for now I have to wind down with a couple more beers, and try to stop the bleeding on my right arm.

[V8weight]

Ok, here's some additional photo's. For those wondering about the jack stands, the fronts were on the pinch weld lift point.
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/005-16.jpg
and the rears were placed further inboard at the alternate lift point.
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/006-18.jpg
Here's where the transverse bar was attached.
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/009-12.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/015-2.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/013-7.jpg
The upper strut mounts had to be removed to allow the suspension to drop as an assembly with the engine cradle.
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/007-19.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/011-5.jpg
And don't forget to disconnect the level sensor!
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/008-10.jpg
An additional jack was placed under the engine cradle for additional safety.
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/010-7.jpg
You can see here that the prop shaft has to be disconnected from the output shaft of the transmission, to allow enough movement of the engine/trans.
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/006-17.jpg
Here's a before pick of the precat about to meet it's fate.
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/002-17.jpg
And here is an after photo.
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/Pellis833/004-18.jpg
I would not recommend this to anyone. Removing the downpipes was the easy part, at about 3 hours. It took about 3-4 hours to get the metal substrate catalyst material out of the downpipe. It was absolutely excruciating, even with an pneumatic air chisel. So, 3 hours to remove, 2.5 to reinstall, but 4 just to gut the pipes. I wish I was getting paid the 22 hours of labor the dealer gets to do this. ;)

[p3u]

Removing the pre cats is a good thing, welcome to the club : ) did you relocate the oxygen sensors, or have them coded out? I did the later on mine.

[V8weight]

Removing the pre cats is a good thing, welcome to the club : ) did you relocate the oxygen sensors, or have them coded out? I did the later on mine.
They're coded out on my Viper tune, although I probably should have relocated them for when I reinstall my stock ecu for dealer warranty visits. I'll just have to install some O2 sensor spacers somewhere down the line. So Eurocharged was able to shut off the DTC's for the secondary O2's for you? They were unable to do that at the time I was dealing with them.

[DHall1]

Pat for President.

[snoopra]

Wonderful pics, Pres Pat! So, from what I can see, you CAN replace the pass. side VC gasket:). Where the subframe front bolts removed or just loosened? What about the pass. side engine mount, untouched or removed? Thanks again for your endless sacrifice and input to the board (You 2 Dave;))

[V8weight]

Wonderful pics, Pres Pat! So, from what I can see, you CAN replace the pass. side VC gasket:). Where the subframe front bolts removed or just loosened? What about the pass. side engine mount, untouched or removed? Thanks again for your endless sacrifice and input to the board (You 2 Dave;))
Stop, I'm blushing.... The cradle remained attached to the engine/trans mounts. I removed the cradle bolts that fasten it to the body, then lowered the engine/trans/cradle/suspension about 6" as an assembly.

[JRS-RS6]

I want to join the club too. Honestly when I come off the road for some PTO i have some catching up to do...........

[JRS-RS6]

I want to join the club too. Honestly when I come off the road for some PTO i have some catching up to do...........

I am talking mid December if you can make the time to hook up.

[melsas]

Pat has got my vote for sure!
I gutted the pre-cats on a spare pair of downpipes & it is a pain. I've been trying to get indy shop(s) to install the downpipes w/o engine pull. Maybe I will share your work. Also, our expert transmission guy TozoM8 was good enough to share his method which is done with car on lift. Requires supports under trans. & engine. Not sure if you have to unbolt upper strut mounts or disconnect prop shaft.

[snoopra]

Guys, got the "look" from the Mrs., need to wrap up the Beast projects ASAP(She's in pieces in the car port). These recent projects helped decide many MODS I had in mind (tear), I'll be posting pics and details when completed.

[cmore]

How does everyone feel the Milltek larger downpipes and high flow pre cats would compare to gutted stock pre cats?

[snoopra]

Bigger is better for turbo engines:) Not sure about the hi flo pre-cats.

[V8weight]

How does everyone feel the Milltek larger downpipes and high flow pre cats would compare to gutted stock pre cats?
I don't feel its worth the money, but then again, I am on a budget. ;)

[ttboost]

Do you reckon you could do wastegates with this method too?

[cmore]

When I bought my car, it came with a non-resonated Milltek with Milltek larger downpipes and high flow cats. I've always wondered how well the high flow cats flow compared to gutted stock cars. I used to have a 3000GT VR-4 and when I gutted the pre-cats on it, it made a pretty big difference in spool time.


I don't feel its worth the money, but then again, I am on a budget. ;)

Luckily, I never had a pay a dime for all of my updates, because some kid with some of the family $$ did all the upgrades and sold it 6 months later to get an R8. I paid book value for the RS6 regardless of all of the modifications.

@v8weight - nice pictures and descriptions!

[Aronis]

Where do you go to get your car inspected?? For emissions

[V8weight]

Where do you go to get your car inspected?? For emissions
No emissions testing in MN :)

[snoopra]

No cats, no inspections, no problem:thumb:

[MaxRS6]

Wowza!!! That's about all that can be said... The Audi techs need to take a class from you....00

[V8weight]

Wowza!!! That's about all that can be said... The Audi techs need to take a class from you....00
Thanks Randy. Still patiently awaiting your call. Every time I receive a call, I have to tell them to try back later, as Randy could ring any minute.....

[ben916]

me too.... maxwell cpa...

[4everRS]

Hold Crap! Didn't check in to a weekend and look what I missed. You Pat, are the Lord of the Rings. Or crazy.

Still planning on C&C saturday?

[V8weight]

Hold Crap! Didn't check in to a weekend and look what I missed. You Pat, are the Lord of the Rings. Or crazy.

Still planning on C&C saturday?
For sure, I'll be there bright and early, and loud!

[ben916]

video prease!

[4everRS]

hehe, just re-read that I said hold crap.
Hold Crap! Didn't check in to a weekend and look what I missed. You Pat, are the Lord of the Rings. Or crazy.

Still planning on C&C saturday?

[V8weight]

video prease!
Don't worry, I aim to please. I just got back from doing quite a few HD video runs on my "almost" private proving road. They are being edited and will be posted up as soon as I get them. Kyle however, gets some seat time in 6 days, and counting........

[4everRS]

its like being 12 on Christmas eve!

[V8weight]

its like being 12 on Christmas eve!
Except this is way better than a Red Rider carbine action 200 shot range model air rifle!

[V8weight]

Video as promised:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpQlFJn_PeA&hd=1

[snoopra]

Video sticks @ "second run":(

[V8weight]

Video sticks @ "second run":(

It's in HD, how is your connection speed? Try turning the resolution down to 480. It even works from all of my work computers and my blackberry.

[ben916]

Video as promised:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpQlFJn_PeA&hd=1

I like the spool up and spool nice without the BOV sound of rice... :)
It would have been interesting to hear your silver bullet and a stock silver bullet on the same road on the same day...

[snoopra]

It's in HD, how is your connection speed? Try turning the resolution down to 480. It even works from all of my work computers and my blackberry.
Connection speed is OK, 1MB. I'll try lower res.

OK, got it!

[V8weight]

Who's the joker that recommended that I get a GIAC chip and unleash my car's potential in the Youtube comments? Haha, too funny.

[ben916]

Who's the joker that recommended that I get a GIAC chip and unleash my car's potential in the Youtube comments? Haha, too funny.

That was actually pretty funny but I did give a nego on that fool's rating...
Some people?!

[MaxRS6]

Who's the joker that recommended that I get a GIAC chip and unleash my car's potential in the Youtube comments? Haha, too funny.

I did chuckle a bit when I saw that post. Not me this time. However; are you sure you don't want to try another tune to keep ya buzzzzy.

BTW- Sounds great and congrats on letting it roar

[snoopra]

hehe, that's why my post said "G-crap":)

[V8weight]

hehe, that's why my post said "G-crap":)
Awesome :)

[Elevens]

Nice!! Sounds Sweet. Good work. Going Catless myself when the bankroll allows it.

[V8weight]

Just for reference, prior to doing the downpipes I was pulling 411.7 g/s on my MAF sensors. Now with the pre-cats removed I logged 429.03 g/s. That's an approximate improvement of 17hp at the wheels, or 22hp at the crank. Worth doing? That's up to you.....

[skribe]

Yes thanks, Pat, that is what I was asking you for... Looks like it's worth doing.

And FYI, two hours after I ran three sub-13 1/4's on my county road drag strip this morning, I do believe... that... I... felt my TC slipping on the way home. Had to laugh about it a bit, I was wondering how long it would hold up!

[V8weight]

Yes thanks, Pat, that is what I was asking you for... Looks like it's worth doing.

And FYI, two hours after I ran three sub-13 1/4's on my county road drag strip this morning, I do believe... that... I... felt my TC slipping on the way home. Had to laugh about it a bit, I was wondering how long it would hold up!
Yeah, I couldn't let you have all the fun. I decided to hit the back roads this afternoon myself, and of course brought the laptop with ;)

[DHall1]

Dammit, all the fun you guys are having and I have no ECU again. Just you wait idjuits. In the 70s shortly(83 today) that could have been a 79. Dammit.

Ahhh, the reason for the stock ecu. I see

Pat! How much faster does your car have to be? Crap

[Ruergard]

Sounds GREAT! :D

[speedtrapped]

Man I am chomping at bit to get my hands on mine......That video or shall I say your Audi is awesome

[toddc]

How is the sound in the car at cruise speed? Much louder? Any annoying drone or resonance to it?

[V8weight]

How is the sound in the car at cruise speed? Much louder? Any annoying drone or resonance to it?
No resonance what so ever, as that's a huge pet peeve of mine. The sound of the exhaust is very subdued at cruising speeds, not even discernible in the cabin, but when the car hits boost it's like a light switch has been flipped, and it absolutely roars. I just noticed today while driving around town with the windows open (lost dog, a whole different story) you can really hear the turbo's! Sounds sinister, but not obnoxious.

[ben916]

No resonance what so ever, as that's a huge pet peeve of mine. The sound of the exhaust is very subdued at cruising speeds, not even discernible in the cabin, but when the car hits boost it's like a light switch has been flipped, and it absolutely roars. I just noticed today while driving around town with the windows open (lost dog, a whole different story) you can really hear the turbo's! Sounds sinister, but not obnoxious.

Me next!!! o! o! Mr. Carter!!!!

[skribe]

It's Mr. Kotter. Kids today, they just don't know their history.

http://chud.com/nextraimages/6-16%20kotter6.jpg

[skribe]

... sinister, but not obnoxious.

Words to live by! :)

[V8weight]

It's Mr. [B]Kotter[B]. Kids today, they just don't know their history.
Yep, you got me there, never heard of him. :)

[DHall1]

Pat,

You're too young to remember the show. Thats too funny. I bet there are clips on youtube.


Yep, you got me there, never heard of him. :)

[JRS-RS6]

What, When, Where.....................???? Oh shit -- I am old!

[ben916]

It's Mr. Kotter. Kids today, they just don't know their history.

http://chud.com/nextraimages/6-16%20kotter6.jpg

ok, Ok, OK!!!! ya got me but with the warning that I give everyone... I can't spell for $hit to save my life...
Besides... I tack another year on this Friday...

[hahnmgh63]

"Welcome Back Kotter", that's the show where John Travolta got his start, remember "Vinny Barbarino". I am getting old.

[video6]

I have a question regarding the procedure - it will still pass smog right?

[DHall1]

50/50

Since you have a full time awd vehicle....check with local laws. You may be exempt from dyno testing. If you had to dyno I bet it would not pass. You live in Nancy Pelosi's back yard just check three times and on Sunday. Also, you will need ecu mapping to delete secondary O2 sensors.

[video6]

Yes I live in NP's back yard- California. my last car - a staged evo, didnt go on the dyno and wouldnt pass without a second cat, so $500 dollars and 45 minutes later that cat was in then out and is now up for sale.. Car got totaled on 880 when I was slammed from behind from a texting 20 y/o female.. How do i know she was texting? she almost hit me two other times before clocking me stopped at 40+. I am not sure how she didnt hit me the first two times it was so close and when she looked up she was holding her flip out phone in one hand..

anyhow- when it comes to smog im screwed, actually when it comes to alot more than just cars im screwed gotta love the golden state.. I wont be able to do it if it doesnt pass so hopefully someone has hassled through this before

[ben916]

I was wondering the same thing about the pre-cat gutted...

If I remember correctly, on the driver's side there is a sticker on the inside of the hood stating something to the effect of the RS6 is federally exempt from some sort of Dyno for smog?!?
(Proof photo with OZZY, in case "someone" needs it)

But HELL! with all the Baja/Sonora cars with the amount of NAFTA exhaust that pump out amounts greater than the likes of 2 strokes...
We all know that second hand smoke from TJ and Cuidad Juarez actually STAYS there...

[DHall1]

The problem is very few members have eliminated the primary cats. Its a huge job and the ecu needs the proper coding. Add to that your restrictions....just too many hurdles for most RS6 owners. Its not like you can install primary cats and just cut them out after smogging.

Flash the car with a good tune and you may be surprised. The car is nasty fast with just the proper reflash and add the Sportec lower vent and Aces iv. Nothing will touch the beast even in the heat of summer with crappy 91oct NP corn gas. Ask me how I know.

[MaxRS6]

...Nothing will touch the beast even in the heat of summer with crappy 91oct NP corn gas. Ask me how I know.

Oooh Oooh Oooh ooooh (raises hand)- How do you know?--How do you knoooooooowwwww?????

A new Camaro SS with manual shift was given lesson at red light drag. He yanked on it when the ball turned green, jumped me by about 1/2 car length before I knew he was going for it, I jumped on it and about the time I pull even I hear his tires bark as he shifted into second, as he shifted/barked my turbos really caught and that was all she wrote as I see him in the rear view. He pulls up at the next light with the infamous "WTF????".

[video6]

Who's the joker that recommended that I get a GIAC chip and unleash my car's potential in the Youtube comments? Haha, too funny.


nice video wow, the exterior shot and sounds are amazing, those wheels look sweet

By the way I have a GIAC handheld flashloader.. it seems like you guys arent down with it, can you educate me? I have kept the car in stock mode until last week and it picked up a bunch more low to mid power in the 'boost' mode.

Thanks!

[ben916]

Oooh Oooh Oooh ooooh (raises hand)- How do you know?--How do you knoooooooowwwww?????

A new Camaro SS with manual shift was given lesson at red light drag. He yanked on it when the ball turned green, jumped me by about 1/2 car length before I knew he was going for it, I jumped on it and about the time I pull even I hear his tires bark as he shifted into second, as he shifted/barked my turbos really caught and that was all she wrote as I see him in the rear view. He pulls up at the next light with the infamous "WTF????".

What the hell?!?!? I got nothing except the first week (Passat W8 4motion tried to school me).
I am just being patient in the sleeper status until some Shelby/Saleen/SS/Hemi/etc attempts to tear a piece off... Then school is in session - safely :)

[DHall1]

Oh gosh,

I still have scars from the last go round.

Where is that duck tape. I know nothing.


nice video wow, the exterior shot and sounds are amazing, those wheels look sweet

By the way I have a GIAC handheld flashloader.. it seems like you guys arent down with it, can you educate me? I have kept the car in stock mode until last week and it picked up a bunch more low to mid power in the 'boost' mode.

Thanks!

[DHall1]

Priceless.

Spanking the new "GM muscle" easy as pie.

Top secret stuff going on. Better, faster, leaner, meaner, smack down machine.


Oooh Oooh Oooh ooooh (raises hand)- How do you know?--How do you knoooooooowwwww?????

A new Camaro SS with manual shift was given lesson at red light drag. He yanked on it when the ball turned green, jumped me by about 1/2 car length before I knew he was going for it, I jumped on it and about the time I pull even I hear his tires bark as he shifted into second, as he shifted/barked my turbos really caught and that was all she wrote as I see him in the rear view. He pulls up at the next light with the infamous "WTF????".

[ben916]

Oooh Oooh Oooh ooooh (raises hand)- How do you know?--How do you knoooooooowwwww?????

A new Camaro SS with manual shift was given lesson at red light drag. He yanked on it when the ball turned green, jumped me by about 1/2 car length before I knew he was going for it, I jumped on it and about the time I pull even I hear his tires bark as he shifted into second, as he shifted/barked my turbos really caught and that was all she wrote as I see him in the rear view. He pulls up at the next light with the infamous "WTF????".

He musta saw OZZY in the passenger seat and was threatened...
or OZZY cursed at him..

[skribe]

For whatever reason spontaneous roll-ons seem to happen ALL THE TIME in the chicagoland area... Added a charger SRT-8 to my goodbye list recently. And a Taurus SHO.

Before you laugh, the SHO was a whole lot quicker than I thought it would be. The guy was awfully cocky the way he rolled up to me, I suspect he had a tune, there are a couple out for the "eco-boost" ford sixes now. He did the old "shrink away and take the next right" trick after I pulled on him, but I didn't pull on him quite as hard as I figured I would. :doh:

[4everRS]

I'm with Ben on this. Actually peeves me that no one tries to give me a run. I really don't think anyone in my area knows what the hell it is. Perfect example, I was at my mechanic's shop getting the new tires on (me removing wheels, and cleaning while he mounted and balanced) and a guy came in and saw the beast wheel-less on the lift and asked "so does that have a turbo?" I said "2, one for every 4 cylinders". Took the country boy to realize it was a V8 and said "Holy crap, I bet it pretty damn quick?" "It does alright"

[Elevens]

Nobody challenges me. I still can't figure out why. LOL!!



http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz237/vintron/Coilover%20Install/IMG_2029.jpg

[DHall1]

No kidding. And after hearing your non-res Miltek....I'm actually considering getting the cat-back. Not to mention the tips are about the most sexy exhaust tips I have ever seen.

Enough kissing your a$$. hehe, who wants to argue about anything? hehe


Nobody challenges me. I still can't figure out why. LOL!!



http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz237/vintron/Coilover%20Install/IMG_2029.jpg

[skribe]

Nobody challenges me. I still can't figure out why. LOL!!



http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz237/vintron/Coilover%20Install/IMG_2029.jpg

Let's see... slammed on coilovers and 10" rotiforms with drainpipe tips and a milltek growl, an MTM badge, oh yeah the SLEEPRR tag. LOL indeed!

BTW those tips look diggety dang decent, dude.

[Elevens]

The amazing thing is that between 70 and 80 mph this thing is as quiet as stock. Above 80 she starts to sing a nice tune. Step on it and it Roars. I find myself stunning a lot of people as I pass them. Like, what the hell was that !! I don't care what kind of trouble I might have with this car, because to me this is the best thing on the Planet. For the money nothing comes remotely close. I hope I didn't stray of the topic to much, but I just had to let everyone know how I feel about our Beasts.

[DHall1]

After flashing your a$$ end like that...you can say whatever you wish. We all agree.

[video6]

Oh gosh,

I still have scars from the last go round.

Where is that duck tape. I know nothing.

huh? i doubt that!