Anyone ever think of coming up with a performance benchmark for our cars?

[p3u]

Reason I ask is the the S4 guys for the longest time have used FATS to guage how well the car performs. Maybe something similar for our cars?

Maybe we could closely replicate it, with a 60-90mph pull time. I was doing some to get an idea how it compared to my old B5 s4, I managed a 3.82s.

Anyone else have ideas, or want to give it a shot?

We could call it FATRS, For the Advancement of The R S. Seems appropiate with how heavy the car is relative to the S4 :)

[V8weight]

Hmm, I believe Porsche owners adhere to a measurement of 60-130? I think that would be better for us, it keeps the timid out of the running. :)

[V8weight]

How are you measuring this? Is there a way to set the function in the vag? I vote for calling it FART's. Fundamental Assessment of RS Times. We could all work towards reducing the duration of our farts.

[p3u]

How are you measuring this? Is there a way to set the function in the vag? I vote for calling it FART's. Fundamental Assessment of RS Times. We could all work towards reducing the duration of our farts.

You can do it with VAG COM, but I actually just did it by video and frame by frame anyalysis with quicktime.

FART's hahaha:jlol:

[p3u]

Hmm, I believe Porsche owners adhere to a measurement of 60-130? I think that would be better for us, it keeps the timid out of the running. :)

Ha, very true. Perhaps two different benchmarks could be used, one being more practical, the 60-90, being simliar to the FATS measure, and one offering more detailed information, 60-130.

[ben916]

How are you measuring this? Is there a way to set the function in the vag? I vote for calling it FART's. Fundamental Assessment of RS Times. We could all work towards reducing the duration of our farts.

wouldn't that be FARST?

[V8weight]

wouldn't that be FARST?
Couldn't you just let me have my moment? Alright, how about Forum Acceleration Reduction Times....
I wish I could go out and try this, but it's raining buckets here, and nobody likes wet FART's.

[ben916]

Couldn't you just let me have my moment? Alright, how about Forum Acceleration Reduction Times....

I retract my statement for the glory of Pat... a thousand apologies....

[V8weight]

I retract my statement for the glory of Pat... a thousand apologies....
Haha, after rereading, it would appear that my sarcastic post could have been mistaken for animosity, not the case. :)

[ttboost]

A lot of "us" (Porsche owners) prefer the 60-130 and we get it with a Performance (Drift) box. Just stick it to the windshield and plug it into the cigarette lighter, insert an SD card and off you go. I am dying to know what a STOCK RS6 does 60-130. I'm guessing 13-14's? I should have my new P Box next week if someone local wants to try it out.

[p3u]

It should be right around what your guessing if the car is stock.

Hook it up and embarrass us with your P car numbers, damn your flat turbo six!

[ttboost]

I'd be curious for someone to prove it. I've already run 5.99 on pump and Meth...

[p3u]

I'd be curious for someone to prove it. I've already run 5.99 on pump and Meth...

I hate you, but in a good way :)

Update, ugh, I really hate you, 12.29. Maybe I'd be at 11 if I wasn't at 6200ft. :doh:

I guess 15.15 0- 200 kmh isnt bad at my altitude though.

[ttboost]

I hate you, but in a good way :)

Update, ugh, I really hate you, 12.29. Maybe I'd be at 11 if I wasn't at 6200ft. :doh:

I guess 15.15 0- 200 kmh isnt bad at my altitude though.

That's actually pretty impressive...as I recall, a STOCK 996 Turbo is in the low 12's!!! I found a run from the Texas Mile last year where I went 10.74 0-200kph. I found that nearly every run I spun through 1st and 2nd.

[Aronis]

At this point with tax revenue down if you did a 60 - 130 run, you'd be doing 60 - jail!

Although, there's a Ferrari owner here who is good friends with a state trooper who apparently offers clear the road service for fast Ferrari runs! I was offered this service last year if I let the Ferrari guy come for a ride!

Mike

[ttboost]

At this point with tax revenue down if you did a 60 - 130 run, you'd be doing 60 - jail!

Although, there's a Ferrari owner here who is good friends with a state trooper who apparently offers clear the road service for fast Ferrari runs! I was offered this service last year if I let the Ferrari guy come for a ride!

Mike

Safety first...There's a time and a place.......a time and a place...:)

[p3u]

At this point with tax revenue down if you did a 60 - 130 run, you'd be doing 60 - jail!

Although, there's a Ferrari owner here who is good friends with a state trooper who apparently offers clear the road service for fast Ferrari runs! I was offered this service last year if I let the Ferrari guy come for a ride!

Mike

Which is why the 60-90 is more practical. :) Fortunately there are places to do high speed runs where its legal, just not very accessible at all times.

[V8weight]

Which is why the 60-90 is more practical. :) Fortunately there are places to do high speed runs where its legal, just not very accessible at all times.
Alright, I digress, 60-130 is probably a little extreme for public roads. I have a nice private road here where I do all of my "test and tune" runs, but I don't think it's long enough to safely hit 130 and have time to decelerate. The nice thing about the 60-90 is it's fairly easy to tap the brakes and be right back to the speed limit in a matter of seconds. How are you doing your runs P3U? I would assume if I use the vag, the timer will start as soon as I hit 60, so maybe set the cruise at 59, hit start, then mash the go pedal?

[p3u]

Alright, I digress, 60-130 is probably a little extreme for public roads. I have a nice private road here where I do all of my "test and tune" runs, but I don't think it's long enough to safely hit 130 and have time to decelerate. The nice thing about the 60-90 is it's fairly easy to tap the brakes and be right back to the speed limit in a matter of seconds. How are you doing your runs P3U? I would assume if I use the vag, the timer will start as soon as I hit 60, so maybe set the cruise at 59, hit start, then mash the go pedal?

Exactly why I'm sure the S4 guys developed FATS. Lower speed, and much less time spent at it.

If you're going to do the run give yourself more then 1mph slower then 60, give it 10mph, just to make sure you're at full boost.

[V8weight]

Exactly why I'm sure the S4 guys developed FATS. Lower speed, and much less time spent at it.

If you're going to do the run give yourself more then 1mph slower then 60, give it 10mph, just to make sure you're at full boost.
I've been doing some reading and it would appear that the S4 fats times have nothing to do with mph, but are actually the time it takes to get from 4000-6500rpm in a wot 3rd gear pull. In our cars that would take us to 110mph+. Not only that but our cars don't always hit 6500 rpm before upshifting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't starting at 50mph be giving me a substantial head start? I would assume the point of this entire exercise is to measure the acceleration time from a steady 60mph roll to 90, not extracting the 60-90 time from a 0-90 run. there is a difference.

[p3u]

I've been doing some reading and it would appear that the S4 fats times have nothing to do with mph, but are actually the time it takes to get from 4000-6500rpm in a wot 3rd gear pull. In our cars that would take us to 110mph+. Not only that but our cars don't always hit 6500 rpm before upshifting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't starting at 50mph be giving me a substantial head start? I would assume the point of this entire exercise is to measure the acceleration time from a steady 60mph roll to 90, not extracting the 60-90 time from a 0-90 run. there is a difference.

Correct, FATS is done with RPM, I'm just saying 60-90mph as it is close to what FATS effectively does.

When people do the FATS run they always start before, so they have full boost, never right at where the test measures.

Think about it like this. If it was done exactly from 60, the bigger turbo guys would be running slower times then the smaller turbo guys. There would be little usefull data for comparison on acceleration capability.

[V8weight]

Correct, FATS is done with RPM, I'm just saying 60-90mph as it is close to what FATS effectively does.

When people do the FATS run they always start before, so they have full boost, never right at where the test measures.

Think about it like this. If it was done exactly from 60, the bigger turbo guys would be running slower times then the smaller turbo guys. There would be little usefull data for comparison on acceleration capability.
Hmm, I respectfully disagree. I would say that a true 60mph starting point would have everything to do with the actual acceleration of the car. It's how fast the car can build boost and pull itself out of the hole. It would prove the ineffectiveness of the big turbo cars to build boost at lower rpms, and expose a healthy car's ability to quickly build boost annd accelerate. But, if you just want to pull 60-90 runs out of larger acceleration samples, I can say that according to previous data logs my 60-90 times are consistently 3.5sec.

[p3u]

Hmm, I respectfully disagree. I would say that a true 60mph starting point would have everything to do with the actual acceleration of the car. It's how fast the car can build boost and pull itself out of the hole. It would prove the ineffectiveness of the big turbo cars to build boost at lower rpms, and expose a healthy car's ability to quickly build boost annd accelerate. But, if you just want to pull 60-90 runs out of larger acceleration samples, I can say that according to previous data logs my 60-90 times are consistently 3.5sec.

But what you are refering to now is not the capable performance of the vehicle, but it's flexability. Thats why car magazines do 0-60, and 5mph rolling to 60 comparisons.

[ttboost]

For the purposes of this argument...P3U is right. When "we" do 60-130's, we always start at 30-35 or so, that way you are at FULL power when you pass 60mph. Removes all turbo and spool issues. This is the accepted method anyway. You can do it any way you want.:) I'm actually digging the 60-90..makes my car seem faster at 1.8sec :) 1.84 actually...

[p3u]

For the purposes of this argument...P3U is right. When "we" do 60-130's, we always start at 30-35 or so, that way you are at FULL power when you pass 60mph. Removes all turbo and spool issues. This is the accepted method anyway. You can do it any way you want.:) I'm actually digging the 60-90..makes my car seem faster at 1.8sec :) 1.84 actually...

That my friend is brutal acceleration.

[ttboost]

That my friend is brutal acceleration.

ACTUALLY, I do some 50-70's too, which, LIKE the 60-90, is a pretty good gauge and you're not running breakneck speeds. I run my 60-130 and can break them all out of the Pbox run. My BEST 50-70 was 1.25, but now, after the Meth, it seems high 1.3 to low 1.4's in the norm. Weight loss helps too:)

[p3u]

I've been doing some reading and it would appear that the S4 fats times have nothing to do with mph, but are actually the time it takes to get from 4000-6500rpm in a wot 3rd gear pull. In our cars that would take us to 110mph+. Not only that but our cars don't always hit 6500 rpm before upshifting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't starting at 50mph be giving me a substantial head start? I would assume the point of this entire exercise is to measure the acceleration time from a steady 60mph roll to 90, not extracting the 60-90 time from a 0-90 run. there is a difference.

I re read what you posted, just additional clarification, I did the runs while in third gear as well, no starting in 2nd.

[ttboost]

Yes...on the 60-130, you can run any way you want, 1 shift , 2 shift (with a manual)...there are some that have their best time with NO shift. Stayed in 3rd and stomped on it at 30mph. All my runs are in 3rd and shifting to 4th. This might be harder with an auto as far as keeping it in 1 gear, no?

[Aronis]

Even if in Manual mode, if you step on it hard the transmission will downshift.

[ttboost]

I guess if you know that, you can just ease into it and eventually flatfoot it so it doesn't downshift...

[p3u]

Even if in Manual mode, if you step on it hard the transmission will downshift.

Not if you have the MTM tcu :)

[skribe]

i like the idea of rolling 60 to 90... maybe because it's my favorite fart-can tooner civic escape move on the tollway.

[ben916]

i like the idea of rolling 60 to 90... maybe because it's my favorite fart-can tooner civic escape move on the tollway.

Ooo!!! I loves me some civic fart can!

[p3u]

Ooo!!! I loves me some civic fart can!

Haha, makes me think of this picture every time I see a Civic racing

<img src="http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu336/p3u/WOAH.jpg"img src>

[JSRS6]

Jesus, that was a funny scene.

[JSRS6]

...and speaking of MTM tcu's, i got mine yesterday. chatted with mike, watched him do everything. That guy is a soldering speed demon. Wow. The beast definitely shifts faster, and holds the shifts more. Good buy :-)

[ttboost]

Just got my new Performance Box yesterday, if someone local wants to try it out...

[ben916]

Just got my new Performance Box yesterday, if someone local wants to try it out...

oooo!!! me!!! waving my hand over here in Earthquake country!!!! see me!?!?!

[ttboost]

I guess when I said local, I should have been more specific.

[4everRS]

rofl haha. I think ben thought you meant loco!
I guess when I said local, I should have been more specific.

[ttboost]

As a follow-up to my post #28. I just went out to play with my new Pbox in the 996 turbo. Too much traffic (Arrgghhhh), but did manage a .98sec 50-70 in 2nd gear (traction limited) instead of 3rd. Redline (7000) is right about 80mph. I would my future RS6 is twice as slow!!!

[4everRS]

Whoa! That's fast. How does the future look? Did BP fix the leak?

The future RS6 will surely be slower. As we are talking speed, I had mine in the low 150's this morning on some back roads. Damn the thing is smooth, and felt as though it would just keep on going.
As a follow-up to my post #28. I just went out to play with my new Pbox in the 996 turbo. Too much traffic (Arrgghhhh), but did manage a .98sec 50-70 in 2nd gear (traction limited) instead of 3rd. Redline (7000) is right about 80mph. I would my future RS6 is twice as slow!!!

[MaxRS6]

...a .98sec 50-70 in 2nd gear (traction limited) instead of 3rd. Redline (7000) is right about 80mph. I would my future RS6 is twice as slow!!!

Do you like tormenting us??? j/k- nice..however; I can carry mo women than ya- redline around nip high-and golf clubs. At the end of the day, isn't that the benchmark?

[ttboost]

Do you like tormenting us??? j/k- nice..however; I can carry mo women than ya- redline around nip high-and golf clubs. At the end of the day, isn't that the benchmark?

No torment, just stressing the functionality of the Performnce Box. Great easy tool. I can carry 1 girl or 1 bag of clubs, not both. :(

[V8weight]

Do you like tormenting us??? j/k- nice..however; I can carry mo women than ya- redline around nip high-and golf clubs. At the end of the day, isn't that the benchmark?
LOL, clearly the the standard by which all sports cars should be measured. According to car and driver, the RS6 has 15.0 cubic feet of lady carrying capacity.

[ttboost]

LOL, clearly the the standard by which all sports cars should be measured. According to car and driver, the RS6 has 15.0 cubic feet of lady carrying capacity.

With that much space, you can fit the wife AND your girlfriend...

[V8weight]

With that much space, you can fit the wife AND your girlfriend...
Is it wrong that in the back of my mind I'm thinking the more women in my car, the more hand prints I end up with in my Alcantara headliner?

[snoopra]

Yeah, what's up with that? There's NOTHING up there to mess with so why.....handcuffs would help:)

[ttboost]

My wife and girlfriends know what to touch...and it's not my Alcantara headliner...

[MaxRS6]

Is it wrong that in the back of my mind I'm thinking the more women in my car, the more hand prints I end up with in my Alcantara headliner?

...and foot prints- Some things are just worth the issues. Possibly another performance benchmark?

[ben916]

...and foot prints- Some things are just worth the issues. Possibly another performance benchmark?
I see where this thread is heading....

[ttboost]

I see where this thread is heading....

To an early grave like our Friday picture thread?

[andrejs]

B5 S4 guy here, who also just picked up a Performance Box :) .. A lot of the S4 guys are also just now choosing to do the 60-130 benchmark, since it's more accurate and allows greater comparison not only between S4's, but other cars as well. It's relatively new in the S4 scene, literally with only 5 or so logs!

FATS times have too many variables that don't get shown, whereas with full GPS data-logging, you can determine the slope of the road and more. It allows for more accurate results, and keeps the 'cheaters' away. There is typically a single thread (also on 6speed and bmw car forums) which lists approved times. The GPS data is sent to a chosen moderator(s), and they verify it, then post it. It also allows for some control; for example, anything over 3% downhill slope does not get posted.

For FATS, we typically use ECUX (older APR software), as it samples the data much more frequently than VAG-COM can.

[ttboost]

Yes..this is the list. The performance Box is the accepted tool for this measurement on this forum, that way all numbers that are qualified, are accepted, and not numbers from some guy who is driving his car with a stop watch.

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/996-turbo-gt2/55163-6speedonlines-official-60-130-1-4-mile-standing-mile-list.html