Everyone that is trying a 6 speed swap, have you seen this?

[p3u]

http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?products_id=18554

Could this be the solution to all of your work? Seems simple enough to make everything bolt right up, almost too easy.

[Benman]

Anyone with experience on this? It does sound way too easy...

[ben916]

Anyone with experience on this? It does sound way too easy...

From reading what SteveKen and 650 have written, the flywheel (bolt pattern and clearance) and the starter are the issues...
If this was one of the big hurdles, this would be a nice start to a conversion!

Mr. Balsen needs to talk to his little finger about this... :)

[yokust]

That peice will only work with standalone

The engine speed sensor for the 60-2 wheel sits in a different location from auto to manual trans.

So if you used this peice and bolted up 6spd to the vehicle it would tell the ecu that the camshaft to crankshaft locations were incorrect and vehicle would run very rough if it ran at all.

This is the flywheel that would need to be used on our engines for 6spd swap
http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?cPath=28_64&products_id=495

[SteveKen]

This is the flywheel that would need to be used on our engines for 6spd swap
http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?cPath=28_64&products_id=495

I have this ^^^^^^ flywheel for development of my adapter and think I just realized that this flywheel should be correct, but it's not a perfect fit.

I finally got a chance to compare the flywheel as they were finally in the same location (same state finally, lol) The 60-2 reluctance rings are not clocked in the same position.

This initially had me worried, but remember this? http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/20899

I'm betting that the difference in the degree offset in reluctance rings is equal to the difference in degree offset between the VR sensor locations.

The reason why this flywheel will not work for my application is that the recess for the pilot bearing is too close to the crank and the transmission input shaft will only barely go into the pilot bearing. It will also only work with a clutch from a V8 Quattro, whereas I wanted to use the clutch from the 2.7T. After I have the flywheel scanned, I'm going to make a custom flywheel that will work perfectly.

[yokust]

I have done (2) A6/S6 4.2 6spd conversions, both of course were just n/a motors and use 8 bolt cranks. But if the wrong flywheel is used the vehicle did start, but had constant misfire codes and was low on power.

Here is another option from JHM since they are king of the V8 cars so far. But B7 RS4's use a 10 bolt crankshaft as well

http://www.jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_56_61_105&products_id=515

[SteveKen]

I have done (2) A6/S6 4.2 6spd conversions, both of course were just n/a motors and use 8 bolt cranks. But if the wrong flywheel is used the vehicle did start, but had constant misfire codes and was low on power.

Here is another option from JHM since they are king of the V8 cars so far. But B7 RS4's use a 10 bolt crankshaft as well

I've done a 6 speed conversion on my S6 as well. I can't confirm or deny whether the RS4 flywheel has the correct dimensions (thickness especially) and the necessary 60-2 reluctance ring for the 01E.

Whatever is used, the ECU coding is going to be a huge obstacle if you want a perfect conversion.

[Benman]

Whatever is used, the ECU coding is going to be a huge obstacle if you want a perfect conversion. That would be my thought too...

[ben916]

That would be my thought too...

But MTM and Sportec have BOTH done this conversion to the RS6 so they BOTH must have the ECU module/coding/chip...

[Benman]

Yes, but I am curious as to what they charge for that very valuable little ECU Mod. ;)

[SteveKen]

Tomorrow I'll be receiving my first set of adapters to mount the 01E to the RS6 block.

It's been a long time coming. I hope to have some pics and maybe even some videos of my starter tests with the engine cranking over. (provided I can temporarily install my spare 2.7T flywheel wihtout interference withe the RMS housing)

The custom flywheel that will utilize the same clutch and PP as the 2.7T should be in next week.

Stay tuned.

[SteveKen]

I just received some pics from the engineering firm.

<img src="http://www.kendrish.com/galleries/RS6/adapter/prototype/RS6_adapt_plates.JPG">

<img src="http://www.kendrish.com/galleries/RS6/adapter/prototype/RS6_trans_plt.JPG">

<img src="http://www.kendrish.com/galleries/RS6/adapter/prototype/RS6_strt_plt.JPG">

[JSRS6]

Damn, that is some SEXY shit. Looks great man. Good luck with the conversion!

[snoopra]

Can't wait to see your progress and final product!! (with pics of course!) What factors were involved in choosing the transmission? Which did you choose? Will it be able to handle the power long term? Any progress on the ECU programing?

[SteveKen]

Can't wait to see your progress and final product!! (with pics of course!) What factors were involved in choosing the transmission? Which did you choose? Will it be able to handle the power long term? Any progress on the ECU programing?

Actually, I must admit that I don't even have an RS6. I've been looking for one with a bad motor and/or transmission for around two years but I'm convinced that they don't exist. I'm guessing those that make the RS6 investment, also are dedicated to make the repair investment, rather than sell them off.

I had intentions of putting the RS6 motor I own into an S6 Avant, but I wussed out and only did a 6 spd conversion of my S6. As you can see, it would still be collecting dust in the garage.

As for the ECU work that must happen for a 'well sorted' conversion, I'm leaving it up to the end user at this point. Technically, the car should run with the mechanicals installed. I'm not sure what issues it will have though. My S6 ran pretty well with the mechanicals only. However, I ended up using the OEM S6 ECU code from the S6 6spd in the end for a non-CEL car. No such OEM ECU animal exists for the RS6, though.

[pohsib]

Try heading over to www.nefmoto.com and speaking to Tony aka Nefmoto himself. He might have a solution.

[yokust]

So what clutch setup are you planning on using of the 2.7t stuff?

I know alot of Stage 3 2.7t that destroy clutches, and have had to go to a twin disk setup. And those cars do not make the torque ours do stock.

I just wonder if a 2.7t setup even the biggest badest setup will hold pass the first good launch

[SteveKen]

Good Question. Truthful answer: I don't know.

The first couple kits are going to folks that have have B5 S4 backgrounds. Hopefully I'll get feedback and see what is favored.

Any opinions? Feel free to PM.

[snoopra]

So this is basically a million dollar guessing game? None of these adapters,mods, etc. is worth anything without the ECU tune. JMHO

[hahnmgh63]

Can't someone copy the tune from the guy who bought the RS600? Or buy it from Sportec or MTM.

[snoopra]

Yeah, would be nice to upload the RS600 tune to the nefmoto site for others to experiment.

[SteveKen]

So this is basically a million dollar guessing game? None of these adapters,mods, etc. is worth anything without the ECU tune. JMHO

As for tuning, there are some places out there where this task isn't necessarily something new to them. Not a million dollar guessing game. Maybe a thousand dollar one, though.

I wish I could work with someone on getting the tuning done, but without a car, it's difficult.

Baby steps from here, I guess. If I had an RS6 sitting in the garage, I'd put in the mechanicals and see what happens with the TCU thinking it's in park or neutral. Then I unplug the TCU and see what happens.

I would have hoped that someone like Grizz would chime in on this. It's not like it's not been done before, even though I've never personally seen it.

Here's the only proof I've seen that an adapter can be done. It's mine. (I'm not form Missouri, either.)

<img src="http://www.kendrish.com/galleries/RS6/adapter/prototype/adapt_2.JPG">

<img src="http://www.kendrish.com/galleries/RS6/adapter/prototype/adapt_1.JPG">

BTW, I was cranking the engine with the custom starter mounted using the OEM wiring harness. Very nice. Had to use the 2.7T flex plate since my flywheel is in transit.

[eurotunedrs6]

Good work so far! Hopefully you can make more progress soon!

[SteveKen]

Flywheel arrives tomorrow, but I'll be in Salt Lake City all week on business.

More progress on the weekend I hope.

Thanks for the encouragement, btw.

[scottmandu]

http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?products_id=18554

Could this be the solution to all of your work? Seems simple enough to make everything bolt right up, almost too easy.

I doubt the 034 piece would work the A8 ABZ flexplate and RS6 flexplate quite a bit different.