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cmore
February 10th, 2010, 12:20
I may have resolved the boosting issues in my RS6, but I am not sure since I do not have a baseline.

Can someone provide a link or some numbers/graphs of block 115 with how it should look on a properly chipped RS6.

Thanks!
Chris

RS6-4dr911
February 10th, 2010, 17:03
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</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">91.38</td> <td align="right">3560</td> <td align="right">166.2</td> <td align="right">129.64</td> <td align="right">149.61</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">90.85</td> <td align="right">195.31</td> <td align="right">9.8</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">91.03</td> <td align="right">50</td> <td class="xl64"> 31.00 </td> <td class="xl64"> 0.40 </td> <td class="xl63" align="right">91.22</td> <td align="right">2030</td> <td align="right">2010</td> <td>
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</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">94.15</td> <td align="right">6320</td> <td align="right">154.9</td> <td align="right">211.53</td> <td align="right">219.47</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">93.63</td> <td align="right">364.08</td> <td align="right">13.5</td> <td class="xl63" align="right">93.8</td> <td align="right">97</td> <td class="xl64"> 60.14 </td> <td class="xl64"> 0.44 </td> <td class="xl63" align="right">93.98</td> <td align="right">1890</td> <td align="right">1870</td> <td>
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cmore
February 10th, 2010, 20:44
wow.... something is still messed up on my RS6. I replaced the N75 and all the vacuum lines and this is my block 115:


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RS6-4dr911
February 10th, 2010, 21:03
I do see that after 4000rpm your boost drops off from requested. You start off good, make more than requested by about 3600 which seems about right as far as time to spool but you overshoot by nearly 20%, something's not liking that. Sounds to me like your tune is the problem, since you claim to have a new N75, it might be the DV's as well since they are supposed to reroute the excess boost - maybe they're not doing that and the ECU ends the party.

Anyone else?

Edit: what the hell's with this text wrapping (or not)??

cmore
February 10th, 2010, 21:26
Yeah, I had this problem so I replaced the N75 and all vacuum lines. I am getting no codes and the car seems slightly faster now, but block 115 still tells the same story.

The car has hyperboost DVs already in it - I haven't heard of anyone saying they can go bad.

I am still considering replacing the MAFs since that seems to be a possibility too.

Just for fun, I disconnected the MAFs and this is the block 115:

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Again, please note this is with the MAFs unplugged and the average boost seems to be much higher than with them connected. Didn't run great, but gave higher boost.

cmore
February 10th, 2010, 21:28
Did you also notice that the request boost level is never over 2k except when I unplugged the MAFs sensors.

RS6-4dr911
February 10th, 2010, 21:33
Looks like you found your culprit then. Might have been leaning out, might have caused knock, boost was pulled. Just a theory without seeing your timing data.

JRS-RS6
February 10th, 2010, 22:08
I am certainly not an expert but to me the data looks almost identical except for the 1010 requested at 6640 on the first pass (Rev Limiter much). It looks like your leaking boost somewhere on both passes (100-200 mbarr under requested at higher RPM).

I am not sure about the MAFs but don't the O2 Sensors determine the final fuel trim anyway?

Pull the same data that RS6-4dr911 did so we can see the MAFs and Timing too.

DHall1
February 10th, 2010, 22:20
Ding ding

I agree with this direction.

Replace the maf's

How did the formatting get screwed up in this thread. Its making my head hurt.



Looks like you found your culprit then. Might have been leaning out, might have caused knock, boost was pulled. Just a theory without seeing your timing data.

cmore
February 12th, 2010, 02:59
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V8weight
February 12th, 2010, 03:13
Hmm, the car is dumping the timing advance at 6200 rpm. Nevermind, just a shift point.

ben916
February 12th, 2010, 03:33
Hmm, the car is dumping the timing advance at 6200 rpm. Nevermind, just a shift point.

Good thing you and/or someone can read this....

JRS-RS6
February 12th, 2010, 12:56
I have ordered a VAG-COM and should have it next week. Looking at the new data it does look like your timing does advance different than RS6-4dr911s and even backs off at 5640 RPM (like it senses knock or something) -- but there is really not enough data to see for sure.

Your boost is never asking for more than 1800 in this data and on average is actual low (whether that is normal or not I am not sure). Summing the two MAFs at peak I get 421 g/s and dividing by 0.8 that is 526 hp.

When you did the N75 and vacuum hoses did you reset the ECU so it would not use the old fuel trims that it had calculated?

cmore
February 12th, 2010, 13:16
After changing the N75 and vacuum hoses I left the battery unplugged for a while and clicked reset codes in the VAG-COM unless there is a better way to reset the ECU.

Basically nothing has worked. I've estimated that with the ECU upgrade and exhaust the engine is pushing about 525hp so those g/s looks about right for the MAF sensors, but the MAP is still way down.

What is interesting is what when I had the MAF disconnected it held higher boost all the way to redline, which is telling me that the MAF are either incorrectly reading or it is noticing a problem and trimming everything back.

Anyone know the block for fuel trim?

JRS-RS6
February 12th, 2010, 14:12
From: http://www.ross-tech.net/vag-com/advertising/DiagnosingA_MAF_TechTip.pdf

"These are almost always found in Measuring Block Group 032". Try there first.

cmore
February 12th, 2010, 14:17
I already checked block 032 and they weren't there - scrolled through a bunch and didn't see fuel trim. I'll have to take more time this weekend and check all of the blocks.

Thanks!

JRS-RS6
February 12th, 2010, 14:27
When you find it let me know. My VAG-COM is in Newark, NJ and will not be here till next week.

DHall1
February 12th, 2010, 22:24
Any updates here?

I have just completed my ecu flash and the car is just plain screaming.

JRS-RS6
February 16th, 2010, 15:52
Any updates here?

I have just completed my ecu flash and the car is just plain screaming.

BUMP

cmore anyupdate? I found Fuel Trim data in OBDII portion of VAG-COM not sure where else it might be?

garbi
July 12th, 2010, 16:30
hi

my MAF's read combined 350 and my boost is lower then normal ( about 15% down), do you think i have a leak or is there a problem with the MAF"S

thanks for your help
garbi

JRS-RS6
July 13th, 2010, 05:26
N75 would be my bet.