RS5 final version and prices

[Ti-Mike]

after a lunch today , the follwing things are fix.
engine v8 ( NOT TURBO or Compressor )
Price around 137.000 CHF plus options.
Delivery June /July 2010

[rs-6]

after a lunch today , the follwing things are fix.
engine v8 ( NOT TURBO or Compressor )
Price around 137.000 CHF plus options.
Delivery June /July 2010

BIG disappointment IMO. You expect at least some "Vorsprung durch technik"

[Lmg]

BIG disappointment IMO. You expect at least some "Vorsprung durch technik"

And I'm sure the RS5 will have plenty of it. Including the engine.

[youry]

The price seems too high.... unless the prices in sitzerland are more expansive than in other countries, how luch is the Tt RS in switzerland ?

because this RS5 would be 93000 EUR + options, that seems too high..... its competitiro is the M3 which is as 73000 EUR...

[RXBG]

mebbe it has some major CF body panels. if it lost 200 lbs the price might actually be justified????

[youry]

I seriously doubt that. it will be simialr weight then S5 in my view

[Ti-Mike]

you can't compare the price with the TTRS

you have to make the following calculation in percentage.

we take 2 models

AUDI S6 Avant V10 price naked = 130.000 CHF
AUDI RS6 Avant V10 BT price naked = 170.000 CHF
around 32 % more expensive

AUDI TT 2.0 TFSI Tiptronic Quattro ( have to take this model as i doesn't exists Quattro with manual shifter ) 59.000 CHF
AUDI TTS 2.0 TFSI manual shifter and quattro 71.500 CHF
AUDI TTRS 2.5 TFSI manual and quattro 90.800 CHF
all the above models are naked models ( starting price )
between S and RS +30%

S5 V8 Tiptronic 94.000 CHF plus around 30 to 35 %......but it seems that the Basic equipment will be a bit better

don't forget the cars are getting more expensive ......i have paid for my almost fully equipped S8 with Leather dashboard Ceramic Brakes and the almost and really everything except the fridge 235.000 chf and audi said that it is one of the 3 most expensive S8 in switzerland .....well now i have ordered the new A8 Model 4.2 TDI as only 4.2 TDI or 4.2 FSI are available at the moment 201.000 for a F**king diesel. and not having put single seat in the rear........

[RXBG]

agree with Ti here. in the US an A4 with autodimming mirrors and memory seats will cost almost as much as a basic S4.

in other words- 44K USD for a 211 hp 4 cyl car. even a V6 Honda Accord costs 32K.

[Georgious86]

Natural aspirated sporty Audi, and wondering how much BHP will RS5 have and NM???

[S6V10Avant]

If correct hugely disappointing , should have had plenty of time to change from 4.2 NA into TFSI. Another blow for vorsprung dur t..

[Ti-Mike]

natural aspirated sporty audi, and wondering how much bhp will rs5 have and nm???

450 hp......

[darkop]

Guys, relax!
all true sport cars got n/a engines! have u ever seen ferraris with turbo?

[The RS6]

Guys, relax!
all true sport cars got n/a engines! have u ever seen ferraris with turbo?

Yes, F40, the best one ever made :)

[youry]

Guys, relax!
all true sport cars got n/a engines! have u ever seen ferraris with turbo?

ane Porsches the real ones are the GT3s not the bi turbos...

[artur777]

The car is not competitive even at its launch

[wankeldude]

The car is not competitive even at its launch

exactly correct. The fact that Audi's schedule is ALWAYS one generation behind AMG and ///M is the biggest problem in my mind. They are not competitive before they even hit the streets

[Al Pettee]

Yes, F40, the best one ever made :)

Exactly. And for Porsche, in addition to the GT2, remember the 917/30 and the 935/6/Moby Dick. :0: :incar:

[KresoF1]

Yes, F40, the best one ever made :)

Huh...

Please, do not take me wrong but, did you made an research about F40?
Do so, since according to one very devoted Ferrari fan and onwer from Croatia F40 is barely drivable car...

[The RS6]

Huh...

Please, do not take me wrong but, did you made an research about F40?
Do so, since according to one very devoted Ferrari fan and onwer from Croatia F40 is barely drivable car...

Nah, just kidding, I've heard about enormous turbo lag on the F40, it's just that I was sooo in love with it as a child, that's why I said what I said... :)

Anyway, back ontopic, I've always loved turbo cars, but I'm currently driving a N/A engine and I must say I've changed my mind...

So N/A RS5...bring it on Audi...

[Lmg]

Guys, relax!
all true sport cars got n/a engines! have u ever seen ferraris with turbo?

No to mention that the best Audi RS up to date was the one that had a N/A engine...

[Fehli]

I think still the RS5 become a new V8 4.0l Biturbo or perhaps an new V6 Biturbo, the same are in the new RS4 next year, and costs around EUR 76.000 in Germany!!:heart:

Best regards

[artur777]

Nah, just kidding, I've heard about enormous turbo lag on the F40, it's just that I was sooo in love with it as a child, that's why I said what I said... :)

Anyway, back ontopic, I've always loved turbo cars, but I'm currently driving a N/A engine and I must say I've changed my mind...

So N/A RS5...bring it on Audi...

NA motors are really nice
but they are loding in terms of performance and consumtion
you may like you r NA motor for the whole life but your turboed competitors will blast you out in all competitions

[Ti-Mike]

I think still the RS5 become a new V8 4.0l Biturbo or perhaps an new V6 Biturbo, the same are in the new RS4 next year, and costs around EUR 76.000 in Germany!!:heart:

Best regards

the facts of the engine is fix as they dealers received the order forms for the demo cars already

[Fehli]

So its the same motor as in the current RS4 just 30 HP more, or?
I would not believe it!

[KresoF1]

So its the same motor as in the current RS4 just 30 HP more, or?
I would not believe it!

It is a serious update of 4163ccm V8. New 4.2 HDZ FSI is excellent engine.

RS5 is done deal as Ti-Mike already wrote. Even full specs are known but, it can not be yet posted here...

[artur777]

we would like to know 0-200 and 0-250 time

[Ti-Mike]

the new engine has different Air intake as the NOT sufficient air was one of the main issues on the RS4B7 engine.

[KresoF1]

Hint... Optional 20" are with 275 tires.

[LittleDevil]

What about recaro seats?

http://www.recaro.com/uploads/pics/audi_rs4_05.jpg

[Lmg]

After the B7 RS4, all RS cars had them, so the RS5 will have them too. The question is how much weight they will save compared with standard seats.

On the other hand...KresoF1, could you please tell us when the press embargo concerning the RS5 will end?

[KresoF1]

After the B7 RS4, all RS cars had them, so the RS5 will have them too. The question is how much weight they will save compared with standard seats.

On the other hand...KresoF1, could you please tell us when the press embargo concerning the RS5 will end?

If Audi do not decide otherwise you will have to wait almost till 01st March...

[Lmg]

If Audi do not decide otherwise you will have to wait almost till 01st March...

Thanks!

It's going to be a long wait.

[iconcls]

engine v8 ( NOT TURBO or Compressor )


Huge fail, keep that POS across the Pond then.

[Lmg]

Huge fail, keep that POS across the Pond then.

It's a matter of prespective and everyone's personal tastes, really.

I, for one, think that the RS5 will probably be the best Audi RS to date.

[iconcls]

It's a matter of prespective and everyone's personal tastes, really.

You're right, it's probably good enough for the wife, maybe I'll get it for her.

[LittleDevil]

manual is also confirmed, or s-tronic only?

[Benman]

You're right, it's probably good enough for the wife, maybe I'll get it for her.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, after driving the MkII RS 4, I am a believer in Audi's NA engines.

But... I DO still prefer the TT motors all the way. :cheers:

Ben:addict:

[Andyuk911]

Have they improved the swirl pots to reduce the oil in the intake manifold and thus reduce the carbon build up ?

[RS5_Power]

RS5 will be a monster, HDZ engine and 8500rpm?!Do you imagine what that could do?It will humiliate M3 in sound, handling and HP/L... and the other thing is that this engine will be capable to have 500HP with a sport exaust and some chip, than you can put some turbo's and it will be rocket launcher... because you'll have an TT V8 with 8500rpm, that's insane, only one car can have that and it's an McLaren MP...so than again RS5 will be huge!!!

[Ritchy]

+50 HP with chip+sport exaust ? I really don't think so.

Let's just hope the all 450HP will be here.

[RXBG]

maybe they found some way to increase torque- with the exhaust system- perhaps a downpipe based sports exhaust system. after market systems can produce up to 20-25 lb/ft of torque (i.e. RS4). if audi can come up with a flatter torque curve, 350 of torque, and 450 hp, AND take 150 solid pounds off, then the car will be considerably faster than the RS4. for sure it will handle better than the RS4, for all its weight disbalance it was already a great handler.

if 275 series tires are available that means it has to have more torque.

not sure DSG will make an enormous difference in performance numbers, but we will see.

i predict 0-60 in 4.5 secs, 1/4 mile in 12.8 @110 mph.

[Lmg]

if 275 series tires are available that means it has to have more torque.

The RS5's engine will produce 460 Nm, 30 Nm more than the RS4's.

[ZCD2.7T]

Huge fail, keep that POS across the Pond then.

Hmmm, interesting perspective.

I wonder - would you make the same comment about the E92 M3? (After all, the M3 isn't far off of "supercar" performance as it is)

The RS5 will apparently have 35+ more HP, plus more torque, plus quattro, plus potentially lower weight, so it should cover the M3's performance handily, I'd think.

I fail to understand how all that adds up to a fail. :looking:

[Ritchy]

460 Nm, that was what i had in the RS4 after remap. Not a significant change.

[Lmg]

460 Nm, that was what i had in the RS4 after remap. Not a significant change.

Maybe not, but the torque curve is also a factor to take in consideration.

And, based in some info that KresoF1 kindly provided us with, while maximum torque will be achieved at 5500 rpm, more than 80% of it will be available from 2500 rpm.

[iconcls]

I fail to understand how all that adds up to a fail. :looking:

Because it won't be a more "civilized" GT-R like it should be.

[ZCD2.7T]

Because it won't be a more "civilized" GT-R like it should be.

Actually, I think that's EXACTLY what it will be. It will sacrifice some all-out performance to be a better all-around street vehicle.

Having personally experienced your GT-Rs various clunks, whirrs and bucks, I think quite a few people would be willing to trade a few tenths (or even seconds) here and there for some extra refinement.

Don't get me wrong, the GT-R is a towering achievement, and it would be fun to have one, but the RS5 will represent well in its target market, IMO.

[iconcls]

Actually, I think that's EXACTLY what it will be. It will sacrifice some all-out performance to be a better all-around vehicle.


This thing will be lucky to be 6/10's a GT-R (and I'd settle for 7.5/10's); RS 5 will be a gutless, parts bin car all the way down to being plagued by the carbon build-up issues as the RS 4 lump.

[Lmg]

I tend to see the GTR and the RS5 as two different kinds of killers.

The GTR is a big and muscled psicopath, wearing an A-shirt, armed with a chainsaw and a machine gun,drinking beer and listening to heavy-metal, while the RS5 will be the kind of killer that sees death as an art, dressed in a tuxedo, armed with a japanese Katana and listening to Vivaldi. :jlol:


RS 5 will be a gutless, parts bin car all the way down to being plagued by the carbon build-up issues as the RS 4 lump.

It will be a lot more than that.

It will be a great car, and probably the best Audi RS to date. Perhaps not to everyone's liking (as proven by some of the posts in this thread) but a great car nonetheless.

[ZCD2.7T]

This thing will be lucky to be 6/10's a GT-R (and I'd settle for 7.5/10's)

Hmmmm.....

GTR......S5......% of GT-R's performance
3.6......4.8.....75 (0-60)
12.0....13.2....91 (1/4 mile)
.99..... .92.....92 (Lateral G)

So, I guess you'd be happy with the S5, then, huh, since it already meets your criteria?

Oh, wait, this discussion isn't actually about performance for you, it's about turbos! :hahahehe:

[iconcls]

So, I guess you'd be happy with the S5, then, huh, since it already meets your criteria?


You will forever be the straight-line weenie; you know I don't give an ass about 0-60, road circuits, man, road circuits.

[ZCD2.7T]

road circuits, man, road circuits.

I think we can safely predict that the RS5 will surpass the S5's (and E92 M3's) performance in every category, and will handily surpass your 75% "requirement".

You're just pissed that it doesn't have turbos.

Ironic, since you say straight-line doesn't matter.....what else are turbos good for - Cornering power??? NOT.

[iconcls]

doesn't have turbos.


You assume my "requirement" is linear, a GT-R Ring time of 7:38 (being the magnanimous guy that I am, I'm spotting you the Suzuki time) and the S5 of 8:26 does not make the S5 90% the car of a GT-R.

Like I said, it will be nice and gutless for the wife.

[itisme]

You assume my "requirement" is linear, a GT-R Ring time of 7:38 (being the magnanimous guy that I am, I'm spotting you the Suzuki time) and the S5 of 8:26 does not make the S5 90% the car of a GT-R.

Like I said, it will be nice and gutless for the wife.


that makes one minute more driving pleasure, doesn't it?

[ZCD2.7T]

You assume my "requirement" is linear


OK, since you're moving the goal line as the discussion progresses, please do tell what your "requirements" are?

[iconcls]

that makes one minute more driving pleasure, doesn't it?

Smart Cars for everyone!

http://media.nowpublic.net/images/18/c/18cbd8a47c5c7d7b2d0acd46ca5f6a91.jpg

[iconcls]

OK, since you're moving the goal line as the discussion progresses, please do tell what your "requirements" are?

I moved nothing, you presumed a linear relationship.

[RXBG]

350 of torque- not bad for NA 4.2 liters. flatten the torque curve. rev like a flywheel. and weigh less than 3900 lbs and you've got a decent machine for 2010.

[ZCD2.7T]

I moved nothing, you presumed a linear relationship.

You're bent on showering the RS5 with haterade.

Why?

[KresoF1]

Why are some members here bashing RS5 before they even saw its specs? Or before they saw complete technical info about it from quattro Gmbh?

Strange, strange world indeed...

Regarding GT-R... Awsome car for the money-IMHO. BUT, I know personally two persons with: broken engine+broken DCT=first person, broken drive shaft+broken DCT=second person. Both cars are EU specs and with less then 8000kms on clock...
I guess that my very good friend and devoted fan/owner of 911 turbo is right-you need to pay for the real quality... His 997.1 Turbo manual has 110.000km on clock and runs like a dream. He waits for 997.2 Turbo PDK with high hopes... And he will not sell his 997.1 turbo...

[iconcls]

Why?

Because I'm their target wet dream and I honestly think they had the opportunity to do something really special and instead they copped out, cheaped out, wussed out....

[Ritchy]

Right with the GT-R engine problems. But Nissan in Europe has called back all models, at its own charge, for a complete engine change.

I'm an Audi custumer for more than 10 years, not sure Audi would have done the same thing (DRC, etc....)

Well, i hope a lot concerning the RS5. Hope to be surprised. But today, the only N/A engine i appreciated was signed AMG (and Ferrari of course)

[ZCD2.7T]

Because I'm their target wet dream and I honestly think they had the opportunity to do something really special and instead they copped out, cheaped out, wussed out....

No they didn't.

Audi just refused to follow Nissan's example of developing a vehicle to the nth degree, only to then sell it at 1/2 of its unit cost.

The current GT-R is a once-in-a-lifetime bargain, so don't pretend that it's anything other than a statement by a Japanese car company trying to make a name for itself in a market they've never been able to truly reach.

[Lmg]

Because I'm their target wet dream and I honestly think they had the opportunity to do something really special and instead they copped out, cheaped out, wussed out....

In what way?

The RS5 will be better than its mais competitors, wich include the M3 and the C63 AMG. That alone makes it special.

It won't special enough beat the GTR in a track, no, but that wasn't Audi's goal from the start.

[iconcls]

No they didn't.

Audi just refused to follow Nissan's example of developing a vehicle to the nth degree, only to then sell it at 1/2 of its unit cost.

The current GT-R is a once-in-a-lifetime bargain, so don't pretend that it's anything other than a statement by a Japanese car company trying to make a name for itself in a market they've never been able to truly reach.

1. You're delusional and you've been around the VAG block long enough to be able to spot a parts bin car.

2. Ghosn maintains the GT-R is, and was always destined to be, a money maker.

3. GT-R's provenance speaks for itself.

But enough with these GT-R comparisons, I merely stated I wanted the RS 5 be a more refined version of a GT-R and come "close" in performance and the car as laid out here falls far short.

[Lmg]

(...) I merely stated I wanted the RS 5 be a more refined version of a GT-R and come "close" in performance and the car as laid out here falls far short.

Why do you say that? Just because of the engine?

[ZCD2.7T]

1. You're delusional

2. Ghosn maintains the GT-R is, and was always destined to be, a money maker.



1: Possibly. ;-)

2: He must be counting on selling enough of the Spec V versions (at (COINCIDENTALLY!!) double the cost of the normal version) to break even. Seems unlikely to me.

[RXBG]

the RS5 will cost about 10-15K less than the GTR, at least in the US- or about 70K, but will also be loaded. and it will also be an audi- which means it will be drivable every day and have an interior level of construct that the GTR will not be able to match. the ownership experience will be completely different between the two. so i am not sure why people are comparing. the GTR buyer will be more motivated by raw power and track ego than the RS5 buyer.

anyone with a bit more money could get an RS5 and then mod a B5 S4 that could overwhelm the GTR in acceleration.

[KresoF1]

the RS5 will cost about 10-15K less than the GTR, at least in the US- or about 70K, but will also be loaded. and it will also be an audi- which means it will be drivable every day and have an interior level of construct that the GTR will not be able to match. the ownership experience will be completely different between the two. so i am not sure why people are comparing. the GTR buyer will be more motivated by raw power and track ego than the RS5 buyer.

anyone with a bit more money could get an RS5 and then mod a B5 S4 that could overwhelm the GTR in acceleration.

Regarding RS5 price... It will be more expensive in EU then M3 Coupe or C63 for example. In fact a lot more expensive... I heard about €85K or more in Germany with Mwst. as a start...

[iconcls]

interior level of construct that the GTR will not be able to match

Hence, the word "refined."


so i am not sure why people are comparing

Funny, I don't think comparing two AWD sport coupés all that odd, especially when you consider the field.

[Lmg]

Regarding RS5 price... It will be more expensive in EU then M3 Coupe or C63 for example. In fact a lot more expensive... I heard about €85K or more in Germany with Mwst. as a start...

Then, according to my calculations, the RS5 will cost around € 115k in my country. More or less what I was expecting.

[Benman]

the RS5 will cost about 10-15K less than the GTR, at least in the US- or about 70K, but will also be loaded.


Incorrect.

My bet is loaded: north of $85K.




anyone with a bit more money could get an RS5 and then mod a B5 S4 that could overwhelm the GTR in acceleration.

Correct.

The ultimate sleeper. And I seriously doubt that Audi will ever make a car with tuning potential that exceeds it.

I think Icon, like myself is just dissapointed that the RS 5 is not turbo'd. Nothing more...

Ben:addict:

[RXBG]

Ben- no way the RS5 is going to cost over 80K. the RS line has been ear marked to compete with the M lines of BMW, i've read this in at least a couple of places. especially in this economy it also makes a lot of sense. i expect its price to be in line with the M3 + maybe 10%.

[ZCD2.7T]

I think Icon,....is just dissapointed that the RS 5 is not turbo'd....

Dingdingdingdingdingding, WINNAR!

[Benman]

Ben- no way the RS5 is going to cost over 80K.


i expect its price to be in line with the M3 + maybe 10%.

Last loaded RS 4 cost $70K when the M3 was <$60K loaded... nearly 20% more.

I will be blown away if a loaded RS 5 stickers for less than $80K, and again, I expect it north of $85K. Was just at the dealer today while marketing, a S5 there (and was not even loaded) was $62K (you can configure them to $68K!)... No way a loaded RS 5 will be just $10K higher.

But, we shall see. ;)

Ben:addict:

[QuattroFun]

Regarding RS5 price... It will be more expensive in EU then M3 Coupe or C63 for example. In fact a lot more expensive... I heard about €85K or more in Germany with Mwst. as a start...

This is not a surprising price indication - depending on standard equipment. According to the German price list with MwST 19%, an M3 Coupe with just DSG, 19" and leather is over EUR75K and playing further with the options list you easily hit EUR90K (mine is around EUR85K). However, if the base car is as bare as the TTRS or an M3 Coupe and it still goes for EUR85K, it better be really, really good...

[RXBG]

Ben- remember the price cut the 3.0T S5 will take vis a vis the S4. a loaded S4 costs less than 60K- so almost 10K less than the S5. no matter what anyone says- the S5 is not selling that great- few cars on lots only because audi is limiting to a trickle the number shipped over here.

when the S5 engine changes- and the price does too- the RS5 at a lower price point will make sense. the RS4 came at a time when it was meant to be above the M3- which it was. the current M3 is due for a facelift and power boost to about 440 hp soon. (again- note how the 335i and S4 compete and price relative to one another currently and you get the idea).

were it the old way of doing things then the price of the RS5 would have been close to 90K, but times are changing. again, i think you're looking at it a bit differently than i. we'll see in the fall when it comes out (assuming it'll make it stateside).

ps- audi can't keep up the S5 cabrio 3.0t vs S5 coupe V8 charade much longer. the S5 is crying for a DSG- it won't be possible to sell every S4/5 and the RS5 all with DSG options and leave the coupe like a redheaded stepchild lugging around without one. esp when the 335i coupe now has it as an option.

[Benman]

Ben-

we'll see in the fall when it comes out (assuming it'll make it stateside).


I remember having a conversation with ones here on the board about the price of the V10TT RS 6 costing @ $125K USD if it made it Stateside, and for the most part, was laughed at (which I did not mind). Sure enough, Audi could not make it cost effective and did not bring it here.

It is only my opinion that also the upcoming RS 5 is going to cost a lot more than people in the States are thinking (my number is >$85K).

But... as you correctly say, "we'll see in the fall when it comes out (assuming it'll make it stateside)".

Ben:addict:

[ben916]

I remember having a conversation with ones here on the board about the price of the V10TT RS 6 costing @ $125K USD if it made it Stateside, and for the most part, was laughed at (which I did not mind). Sure enough, Audi could not make it cost effective and did not bring it here.


Actually, the C6 RS6 in Mexico (http://configurator.audi.com/acc/exterior-default-mex-spa.view) was based at $132k sedan, $133,800k Avant...

And I didn't laugh...

[Benman]

Actually, the C6 RS6 in Mexico (http://configurator.audi.com/acc/exterior-default-mex-spa.view) was based at $132k sedan, $133,800k Avant...

And I didn't laugh...

Haha... one of the few that had my back man. :cheers: LOL! :D

Back on topic, I await final pricing soon enough. :)

Ben:addict:

[Ti-Mike]

don't forget that the cars cost much less in the US then in europe.......

[youry]

remember that the RS4 V8 had prices varying from 66000 EUR in Germany to almost 80000 EUR in France... the difference being what was standard and not included in the different countries.. i had mande the analaysis and the prices were basically the same in each country if you comapred the cars with identical spec(options), remaining diferent was VAT % and rounding.. or in some counbtries the luxury tax (Holaland or nordish countries)...

so when we talke about 90000 EUR for RS5. if it is fully loaded, that is still ok, if it is with nothing in it, that is damn expensive and cannot be when you comapre to its competitors... at similar spec than RS4 (so with bucket seats for exemple) I expect to have in Belgium for about 80 to 85000 EUR, where the RS4 was at 76000 EUR. if RS4 would be seeling today with inflation it would be selling around 80000 EUR in belgium i think, so that is my best guess based on logic... but we all know RS5 spec will not be the same (DSG is an option now), os that will add up if it wanted,, + sport differential... etc...

We will see soon enough...

I'll be in Geneva on March 4 th to find out in person...
And I will order it ASAP... I've been out of RS cars for much too long... almost desperate...

[Randy M]

Having a RS4 myself I'm disappointed that Audi will not produce a RS5 with an engine that's not all that different then mine. Imo they're just not going to sell that well if they merely compete with an M3 at its lower price point. If the RS5 is to be successful and at a higher price point than the M3 then its performance should be on par with a car like the CLK 63 AMG BS. That's the car I'm looking to replace my RS4 with now as they can be had for nearly 50% off their original msrp in 2008 and most have under 20K miles.

[darkop]

Having a RS4 myself I'm disappointed that Audi will not produce a RS5 with an engine that's not all that different then mine. Imo they're just not going to sell that well if they merely compete with an M3 at its lower price point. If the RS5 is to be successful and at a higher price point than the M3 then its performance should be on par with a car like the CLK 63 AMG BS. That's the car I'm looking to replace my RS4 with now as they can be had for nearly 50% off their original msrp in 2008 and most have under 20K miles.

:eye:
this is bs... M3 has got more performance than the clk 63 amg! despite the lack in raw power - it's not what counts!

[Randy M]

:eye:
this is bs... m2 has got more performance than the clk 63 amg! despite the lack in raw power - it's not what counts!

Um yeah it's close but equal drivers on same course, the AMG would beat the M3 without question. It's as close to a DTM car as you can get and I think that counts for more than anything else.

Coilovers, limited slip diff w/ oil cooler, 500hp, 461 lb ft of torque, 285's in the rear etc etc all stock the AMG is a special car.

[darkop]

Um yeah it's close but equal drivers on same course, the AMG would beat the M3 without question. It's as close to a DTM car as you can get and I think that counts for more than anything else.

Coilovers, limited slip diff w/ oil cooler, 500hp, 461 lb ft of torque, 285's in the rear etc etc all stock the AMG is a special car.

No, it's not even close! M3 destroys the clk AMG any time since it's more balanced package overall! So that's what the main target for RS5 should be (and it is), and the guys from Ingolstadt know it!
:race:
no offence but you yanks like dragsters so no big surprise here for your different understanding and opinion! cheers
:R8kiss:

[Randy M]

No, it's not even close! M3 destroys the clk AMG any time since it's more balanced package overall! So that's what the main target for RS5 should be (and it is), and the guys from Ingolstadt know it!
:race:
no offence but you yanks like dragsters so no big surprise here for your different understanding and opinion! cheers
:R8kiss:

Now you're comparing the BS to a dragster? Are you sniffing glue?

[darkop]

Now you're comparing the BS to a dragster? Are you sniffing glue?

haha, ur funny! ur quote was BS (bull s**t) dude! AMGs are dragsters.
but once again - no offence!

[Erik]

Keep it calm guys...

[chewym]

Having a RS4 myself I'm disappointed that Audi will not produce a RS5 with an engine that's not all that different then mine. Imo they're just not going to sell that well if they merely compete with an M3 at its lower price point. If the RS5 is to be successful and at a higher price point than the M3 then its performance should be on par with a car like the CLK 63 AMG BS. That's the car I'm looking to replace my RS4 with now as they can be had for nearly 50% off their original msrp in 2008 and most have under 20K miles.

The CLK Black Series was double the price of the M3, it's a special edition. The RS5 won't be even close to that level of starting price.

[Randy M]

The CLK Black Series was double the price of the M3, it's a special edition. The RS5 won't be even close to that level of starting price.

But it's not now, which is why I'm interested in one.

[SR71]

I've ditched my B7 after almost 3 years of ownership for a B5 S4 which will be heavily modded to offer GTR performance, just like someone already mentioned.

For the money I might spend on a RS5, I hope to have a hugely capable car.

If the RS5 is NA and Audi claim 450hp, it'll be 20-30hp down as soon as you drive it out of the showroom due to carbon buildup, and even then you'd only get that power if the air temps are ~0C.

Unless they've sorted out the FSI issues, just like the B7, you'll have to be cleaning the internals out on a regular basis too.

The performance delta just isn't what it needs to be to make the ownership proposition enticing enough.

I hazard a guess most C63 owners' cars are producing 500+hp as the M156 can easily be tuned for this so even a C63 would offer better performance albeit in the dry... And its not DI either!

Bad miscalculation IMHO by Audi.

If it was 475hp, then thats getting there...

[KresoF1]

Hint...

331kw... 8250...

440Nm...

[Lmg]

Hint...

331kw... 8250...

440Nm...

Interesting.

So, maximum power at 8250 rpm?

Wonder what the maximum revs will be.

[artur777]

8500 max revs

[artur777]

Hint...

331kw... 8250...

440Nm...

old classy NA technology
the car will be outstandingly balanced I feel
the only downside it will lose to all of its competitors the acceleration tests

[Lmg]

I feel the only downside it will lose to all of its competitors the acceleration tests

Not necessarely.

It was confirmed by both Qisha and KresoF1 that the RS5's performance would be between the M3 and M6, wich means that it will be faster than the M3.

As for the C63 AMG, KresoF1 stated that the RS5 (with the sporty tuning of the S-Tronic) would be capable of faster 0-100 km/h times than both the R8 and TT-RS, wich means that it will be able to at least match the C63 in 0-100 acceleration times.

[RXBG]

Not necessarely.

It was confirmed by both Qisha and KresoF1 that the RS5's performance would be between the M3 and M6, wich means that it will be faster than the M3.

As for the C63 AMG, KresoF1 stated that the RS5 (with the sporty tuning of the S-Tronic) would be capable of faster 0-100 km/h times than both the R8 and TT-RS, wich means that it will be able to at least match the C63 in 0-100 acceleration times.

don't forget that the R8's new base angine will be updated with the same engine as the RS5- another reason the RS5 engine is no force fed.

[Lmg]

don't forget that the R8's new base angine will be updated with the same engine as the RS5- another reason the RS5 engine is no force fed.

Indeed. I predict that we'll see the R8 with the new engine in September, in Paris.

[artur777]

Not necessarely.

It was confirmed by both Qisha and KresoF1 that the RS5's performance would be between the M3 and M6, wich means that it will be faster than the M3.

As for the C63 AMG, KresoF1 stated that the RS5 (with the sporty tuning of the S-Tronic) would be capable of faster 0-100 km/h times than both the R8 and TT-RS, wich means that it will be able to at least match the C63 in 0-100 acceleration times.

not long time to wait

C63 with PP will be absoultely for sure faster for 0-200
M3 with PP will also be faster - you will soon see it:-))
And they are both not new current cars... next generation will wipe out the floor with RS5... RS5 should be leading one and it's not now

[Lmg]

RS5 should be leading one and it's not now

You can't be so sure of that.

The whole package is what matters. The RS5 may seem like it's not fast enough compared with the C63, but it will probably out-handle both the AMG and the M3. And that will make the RS5 the better car overall.

We have a perfect example of that in the M3 itself. It may not be as fast as the C63, but it handles a lot better than the Mercedes, making it overall a better car.

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

with proper respect to the main rivals, the RS5 has not been engineered to drive behind them... road or track. :incar:

Qisha

[Lmg]

Dear Friends,

with proper respect to the main rivals, the RS5 has not been engineered to drive behind them... road or track. :incar:

Qisha

Thanks, Qisha! :)

The RS5 is going to be a great car. No doubt about it!

[iconcls]

Dear Friends,

with proper respect to the main rivals, the RS5 has not been engineered to drive behind them... road or track. :incar:

Qisha

Because it will be up on a lift having all the carbon build-up removed from the intake.

[PeterJohn]

I lost my reply twice because I got logged out, so here's the skinny.

Audi right now builds a 5 litre V10 Biturbo family car, it shares a name with this website, so stop complaining about power, and go out and buy the car Audi made just for you. Power comes at a price of course. Daydreamers that end up buying diesels don't cover the development cost.

The GT-R is the new benchmark, and outperforms more powerful more expensive cars because of a finely controled and tuned full AWD (3x diff) system.

The A5 has a full AWD system, and the RS5 will have torque vectoring differential(s).

The Audi V8 is the lightest most compact mass production V8, and pulls all the way to 8500rpm, despite having a long stroke (torque) configuration. No need to smother it with expensive hardware to make power mostly daydreamers and teenagers are asking for. And RS5 with an RS6-type engine logically will cost about as much as an RS6.

The Audi A5 lightweight concept V6 (there was also a 2.0T) lost 200kg and lapped the ring 8s faster than the standard car.
The GT-R specV lost 60kg, and about 10s on its ring time (includes other brakes etc...).
The lightweight A5 weighs 450kg less than a GT-R.

The GT-R is the performance king, but mediocre to bad at a lot of things. Audi can offer a much better package overall, that performs just as good considering everyday drivers and traffic situations.

Yay for the NA RS5.

[RXBG]

as PeterJohn says- the main issue will be weight. the RS5 will be more than the sum of its parts- a little bit more power, a little bit more torque, and a little bit of weight loss, and DSG...... and we'll see. it'll have to lose 200 lbs to be significant.

[AndyBG]

If they keep the weight in a level with S5 Coupe, everything will be just fine! :D

[RXBG]

If they keep the weight in a level with S5 Coupe, everything will be just fine! :D

S5 doesnt weigh sign less than an RS4.

[PeterJohn]

Audi working on a lightweight model based on A5 Coupe

http://4wheelsnews.com/images/2009/september/audi/a5-lightweight/audi_a5_lightweight_concept.jpg (http://www.4wheelsnews.com/audi-working-on-a-lightweight-model-based-on-a5-coupe/)

Watch out for Audi's production car that is said to be very similar to the lightweight A5 coupe prototype. Sources say that Audi used an advanced aluminum and carbonfiber construction, making the 2.0-litre turbocharged coupe 100kg lighter than the standard steel-bodied production version.
However, compared to a standard A5 3.2 V6 quattro, it weighs 240kg less but can match it in terms of performance but not power. Powering the lightweight concept is the 2.0-litre, 208bhp FSI engine, achieving a power-to-weight ratio of 159bhp per ton.

On the other hand, the production A5 3.2 FSI V6 quattro with 261bhp, shades it only by a fraction at 170bhp per ton. Unlike the standard A5, which is constructed around a conventional steel monocoque chassis, this car is built around an aluminum spaceframe chassis, covered in aluminum panels. Carbonfiber-reinforced plastic is the material used in the boot and bonnet.
By doing this, Audi says it proves that its cars can be “downsized” with the use of smaller engines, brakes, wheels, tires and fuel tanks; however, it still maintains its performance.

While the actual car probably won’t make production, Audi assures that a very similar vehicle will arrive at showrooms soon.

http://www.4wheelsnews.com/audi-working-on-a-lightweight-model-based-on-a5-coupe/

[PeterJohn]

Audi A5 lightweight prototype

Test date 07 September 2009 Price as tested TBA
http://media.autocar.co.uk//Car/Audi/A5/58991267984234x155.jpg Audi’s familiar 2.0 TSI turbocharged engine is wound up to 208bhp

What is it?

Audi’s experimental lightweight version of the A5 coupe. The standard A5 is built around a conventional steel monocoque chassis, but this car is built around an aluminium spaceframe chassis, clad in aluminium panels. The boot and bonnet are made from carbonfibre-reinforced plastics.
Under the skin of the prototype is Audi’s familiar 2.0 TSI turbocharged engine, wound up to 208bhp and driving all four wheels.
Audi says this car points the way forward for the company. Aluminium construction will become more common, allowing future cars to benefit from all-round ‘downsizing’.
This means four-cylinder engines instead of sixes, smaller brakes, wheels and tyres, smaller fuel tanks, better economy and – most important – much-improved ride and handling.
This latter claim is said be a consequence of reducing unsprung weight and, for high-performance models, using lighter, shorter engines that sit further back in the engine bay.
Overall this car is 230kg lighter than a standard-issue A5 3.2 V6 quattro, the performance of which Audi says the lightweight coupe can match despite its power shortfall.
Company engineers say the A5’s aluminium spaceframe construction saves around 110kg over the standard car and the carbonfibre lids save around 50kg. Another 25kg is shaved off by using a four-cylinder engine. The final 45kg comes with ‘hybrid’ brake discs (which are made from gray cast iron, bolted to aluminium centres) and new lightweight wheels.
Audi has also embarked on a general programme of shaving back the weight of all under-skin components, introducing plastic clutch pedals and seats backs as well as detail refinements such as superlight exhausts and even aluminium bolts and screws.
What’s it like?

Autocar had a chance to try the two A5s back to back on a few quick laps of the Bosch test track at Boxberg.
The 3.2-litre A5 (thankfully without S-line suspension) was smooth, torquey, brisk and surprisingly agile on switchbacks, though that was partly thanks to the quattro drivetrain and its positive effect on the A5’s weight distribution.
The lightweight A5 was markedly different. Its weight advantage was starkly obvious, resulting in rather less of a GT feel and more that of a nippy hot hatch. And it did change direction more quickly, losing much of the slight ponderousness that remains in even the new-generation, longitudinally engined Audis.
However, the rougher four-cylinder engine and its gruffer soundtrack were at a marked disadvantage to the sweet V6 unit. Although future A5 buyers will appreciate the car’s newfound fleetness, they could miss the cultured response of a big engine and the luxury overtones that are a consequence of weighty chassis responses.
Audi engineers say they are well aware of this problem and promise the next generation of four-cylinder engines will have to be both much smoother and more aurally upmarket.
Sadly, the smooth Bosch track prevent us from making any definitive statement on the claimed improvement in ride quality, but the dramatic lighter brake discs and wheels will be a huge help on broken UK roads.
Should I buy one?

You can’t. At least not for another few years, until the A5 is replaced as part of Audi’s new aluminium platform strategy.
The big issue for the next A5 will be cost, because aluminium is a more costly material than even the most sophisticated steels, a hurdle that will only partly be offset by mass-manufacturing aluminium platforms.
The company could, though, further offset the extra cost of an aluminium body by dropping V8 engines and most of its V6 units, and fitting cheaper downsized motors.
However, the next-generation four-pot engines will have to be sufficiently smooth and burbling to deliver a premium feel. If Audi’s engineers manage that, the gains in agility, performance and fuel economy delivered by the switch to aluminium could become class leading.
Hilton Holloway

[PeterJohn]

So...

Audi is experimenting with lightweight A5s, and we know the new RS5 will have a slightly updated old engine, which won't attract much attention on its own.
Plus, they've been running around in RS5 prototypes for a while now, suggesting there's more engineering to it than an S5 with an RS4 engine.

[Benman]

Audi A5 lightweight prototype

Test date 07 September 2009 Price as tested TBA
http://media.autocar.co.uk//Car/Audi/A5/58991267984234x155.jpg Audi’s familiar 2.0 TSI turbocharged engine is wound up to 208bhp



208?!?

The regular one is rated 211 (in the USA), why 3hp less? Misprint?

Ben:addict:

[mmaturo]

Audi right now builds a 5 litre V10 Biturbo family car, it shares a name with this website, so stop complaining about power, and go out and buy the car Audi made just for you. Power comes at a price of course. Daydreamers that end up buying diesels don't cover the development cost.
.

Your comment works for everyone but those of us in the states which are the ones complaining in this thread...i would own the C6 RS6 now if i could get it....at whatever price they would have put on it.

I will still buy the RS5 as a replacement for my C5 RS6 anyway (probably what Audi is thinking) as i do not want an M3/5 or AMG whatever as i prefer the quattro and aesthetics of the Audi's. I would like it to come out of the gate ahead of the others as the C5 RS6 certainly did at the time. I hope the N/A engine can get it there. With turbos i would have been way more likely to 'chip' it and get extra hp with less risk than my RS6 now as I think Audi has figured out how to make transmissions since '03.

Interesting to me in this thread people are comparing the GT-R to the RS5 where to me the GT-R is more in line with the R8 (except price)...if i wanted GT-R performance i would buy the R8 (V10) which i think i am also going to do. I guess i do not see the GT-R as an M3 competitor either but rather a Porsche Turbo competitor. That's the realm of the R8.

I think it will be an $85K car in the states all in matching the C5 RS6 prices. No way it will be near 70K when an S5 cabrio loaded is there. DSG better be in it finally. I have had enough of the alternative in automatics (or the 3 that have spent time in my RS6) and really do not want a manual tranny for both physical disabilities and daily commuting reasons.

[Benman]

I think it will be an $85K car in the states all in matching the C5 RS6 prices. No way it will be near 70K when an S5 cabrio loaded is there. DSG better be in it finally. I have had enough of the alternative in automatics (or the 3 that have spent time in my RS6) and really do not want a manual tranny for and daily commuting reasons.

This is where I am at. Commuting on a bike here in So Cal is not so bad since you are not sitting in traffic (since lane splitting is legal here). However, sitting in traffic, I would also not want a manual, yet want something more responsive than the auto in the :rs6kiss:

Ben:addict:

[chewym]

208?!?

The regular one is rated 211 (in the USA), why 3hp less? Misprint?

Ben:addict:

A lot of magazines do this. In Germany Audi uses PS for their horsepower which is a tiny bit smaller than the horsepower. So 211 PS is technically 208 America/British horsepower, but in the US Audi just markets the PS as hp, and they can because this falls into the range that is allowed by SAE. So what happens is a lot US magazines think they are really technical by converting the German PS in American hp in preview articles, but they end up getting burned because the final US version has the same numerical value of hp as PS in Germany.

As for the Aluminum paneled A5 here is another article from Car and Driver. Certainly I don't see the costs working out for a 2.0T A5, but definitely makes sense for the RS5.

Btw, according to Car and Driver the V6 A5 is 142 pounds heavier than the 2.0T and the S5 is only 27 pounds heavier than the V6 A5.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q1/lightweight_audi_a5_2.0t_concept-prototype_drive

[SR71]

The reason the RS5 and the GTR are mentioned in the same sentence is that, here in the UK, the base price for the GTR will almost certainly be less than the base price for the RS5.

I know GTR prices have recently been revised upwards but you can argue this both ways:

1) The GTR is underpriced and you cannot expect to have Porsche Turbo type of performance at the GTR price point

2) The Porsche Turbo is overpriced and you shouldn't have to pay twice what a GTR costs for such performance

As usual the truth is probably somewhere between the two.

Factor depreciation costs on the Porsche and even if GTR running costs are comparatively high, ownership of a GTR is still a comparable option.

What is frustrating is that Porsche can extract up to 115hp/litre from their 6's so it should be quite possible for Audi to extract 460+hp from the V8 in the RS4.

You only had to take the inlet manifold off the RS4 to see how compromised the internal aerodynamics were by the poor quality of the finish, hence the substantial gain on porting and polishing.

At the end of the day if you have £55K to spend here in the UK, and your principle goal is performance, the GTR must get the vote over the RS5 if the specs being quoted here are correct.

That said, I am happy to wait and see what times the car will be able to achieve.

[The Pretender]

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2009/350/6/d/Audi_RS5_WIP006_by_Pisci.jpg

[KresoF1]

Above posted render is not accurate...

[The RS6]

Above posted render is not accurate...

I hope what's wrong is that it's missing some flared wheel arches :)

[The Pretender]

I hope what's wrong is that it's missing some flared wheel arches :)

The wheel arches are flared only not the way every one expect them to be. ;)

[LittleDevil]

Mybe another hint.... :)

[KresoF1]

Arches are lets call it "rounded" flared...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3279/3963574810_67bf0e8eb9_o.jpg

[LittleDevil]

What about doors, are they going to the same as on S5 and that picture or different?

Best Regards

[KresoF1]

Doors are the same.

RS5 difference from S5:

-different front and rear
-RS5 unique side skirts
-RS5 unique "round" flared archers
-wider front and rear(specially!) track
-active rear spoiler a la R8
-unique fuel cap a la R8

[The Pretender]

Doors are the same.

RS5 difference from S5:

-active rear spoiler a la R8
-unique fuel cap a la R8
Or like TT

[Erik]

I like that picture KresoF1...

[artur777]

we are waiting for a new p-shop try:-)
rs5 will be a muscle one comparing to S5

[Lmg]

Based in both the spyshot and the info that KresoF1 provided us, the RS5 will also be a beauty to look at. :jlol:

[youry]

about 30 days more to wait.... i guess

[youry]

I am guessing new colors will be proposed with the RS5. anybody who have any info on that ?

When the RS4 was presented, the sprint blue and daytona grey wee introduced.

when the RS6 was presented the Sepang blue was presented (or was it with the R8 not sure anymore).

anyway if we follow the logic new colors shoudl be presented with the RS5 No ?

I'd love to see a blue which si right in the middle between the sprint blue and sepang blue I would sign for that directly.

Maybe the Ipanema Brown will be propose standrad for RS5 that could be one the new colors maybe as well...

[Lmg]

Maybe that new shade of black, Panther Black, will be a standard colour in the RS5?

[KresoF1]

No new colors for RS5.

Go to http://color-online.glasurit.com/?language=8 type AUDI and RS5 for model and start search...

[youry]

well that is not good news....

[mmaturo]

well that is not good news....

I will be happy if they just let us get the car...unlike the RS6, TTRS to date.

[QuattroFun]

No new colors for RS5.

Go to http://color-online.glasurit.com/?language=8 type AUDI and RS5 for model and start search...

Well, this seems to imply that pearl/metallic colors are a cost extra rather than complimentary as on the RS4. Not good..

[youry]

that has always been the case for other RS cars as well... no news here