Autocar - R8 V10 vs 997.2 Turbo vs GTR

[Z07]

http://www.youtube.com/user/autocar#p/u/0/4OTUHgTAMMU

Very, very close. Looks like the R8 was suffering from over-used brakes too.

[RXBG]

so really, the R8 is fastest. esp with the rtronic and good brakes.

[KresoF1]

so really, the R8 is fastest. esp with the rtronic and good brakes.

Hmm... NO.

Sport Auto tested R8 V10, both manual and R Tronic. Supriese, supriese-manual was faster in acceleration.

Hockenheim track times-Sport Auto:

Audi R8 V10 manual(Ceramics, P Zeros) 1.11,9min
Audi R8 V10 R Tronic(Ceramics, Corsas) 1.10,9min

Porsche 997.2 Turbo PDK(PCCB, PTV, SC+, Bridgestones) 1.11,9min

So, in the end 997.2 Turbo is a must as R8 V10 in Hockenheim on street tires.
With sport tires(Cups + N1) Porsche will be about 0.3s faster on Hockenheim then R8 V10 on Corsas R1.

Nordschleife? Porsche will be faster due much higher Doettinger Hooehe top speed. You can expect almost GT-R Ring time for new Turbo.

[Z07]

so really, the R8 is fastest. esp with the rtronic and good brakes.
That's what I was thinking. Factor out the bad brakes and factor in paddle shift and that 0.9s is nothing. It's a very good result. And when you consider that the Porsche has £20k of options on top of the £100k base price (PDK, Sport Chrono, torque vectoring), it seems more fair to compare an R-Tronic R8.

[RXBG]

Hmm... NO.

Sport Auto tested R8 V10, both manual and R Tronic. Supriese, supriese-manual was faster in acceleration.

Hockenheim track times-Sport Auto:

Audi R8 V10 manual(Ceramics, P Zeros) 1.11,9min
Audi R8 V10 R Tronic(Ceramics, Corsas) 1.10,9min

Porsche 997.2 Turbo PDK(PCCB, PTV, SC+, Bridgestones) 1.11,9min

So, in the end 997.2 Turbo is a must as R8 V10 in Hockenheim on street tires.
With sport tires(Cups + N1) Porsche will be about 0.3s faster on Hockenheim then R8 V10 on Corsas R1.

Nordschleife? Porsche will be faster due much higher Doettinger Hooehe top speed. You can expect almost GT-R Ring time for new Turbo.


Kreso- i think the language barrier gets in the way. i was referring to this test only.

i think we all agree that, with these three cars, the type of track can wring out the fine differences between each of these cars and therefore make one car faster than the others on different tracks.

[artur777]

Hmm... NO.

Sport Auto tested R8 V10, both manual and R Tronic. Supriese, supriese-manual was faster in acceleration.

Hockenheim track times-Sport Auto:

Audi R8 V10 manual(Ceramics, P Zeros) 1.11,9min
Audi R8 V10 R Tronic(Ceramics, Corsas) 1.10,9min

Porsche 997.2 Turbo PDK(PCCB, PTV, SC+, Bridgestones) 1.11,9min

So, in the end 997.2 Turbo is a must as R8 V10 in Hockenheim on street tires.
With sport tires(Cups + N1) Porsche will be about 0.3s faster on Hockenheim then R8 V10 on Corsas R1.

Nordschleife? Porsche will be faster due much higher Doettinger Hooehe top speed. You can expect almost GT-R Ring time for new Turbo.

Interesting - but POsche didnt manage to overjump the time of GTR on the Ring?

why so?

[audi_ch]

maybee there was no need for porsche to do the ring time better than gtr, let it do the old and new porsche gt2.

It is all about priority.

Lets see witch car is the fastest about 5 ring times...

Problably only r8 and 911 will be still in the race...

[Z07]

maybee there was no need for porsche to do the ring time better than gtr, let it do the old and new porsche gt2.

It is all about priority.

Lets see witch car is the fastest about 5 ring times...

Problably only r8 and 911 will be still in the race...
Best of 3....

Best of 5...

Best of 7...

Best of 9...

[andreadebi]

Hmm... NO.

Sport Auto tested R8 V10, both manual and R Tronic. Supriese, supriese-manual was faster in acceleration.

Hockenheim track times-Sport Auto:

Audi R8 V10 manual(Ceramics, P Zeros) 1.11,9min
Audi R8 V10 R Tronic(Ceramics, Corsas) 1.10,9min

Porsche 997.2 Turbo PDK(PCCB, PTV, SC+, Bridgestones) 1.11,9min

So, in the end 997.2 Turbo is a must as R8 V10 in Hockenheim on street tires.
With sport tires(Cups + N1) Porsche will be about 0.3s faster on Hockenheim then R8 V10 on Corsas R1.

Nordschleife? Porsche will be faster due much higher Doettinger Hooehe top speed. You can expect almost GT-R Ring time for new Turbo.

so porsche is back at the top!

[streetrod454]

The brake issue on the R8 is why I specced ceramics on mine. The standard brakes are OK on the road but cannot stand up to continued abuse on the track.

As for the gearbox, the R8 Autocar tested was a much abused test fleet hack so the gearbox was not as good as it could be.

If you factor in these points the R8 would be on par with 911 and very close to the GTR, possibly faster, but that is speculation

[audi_ch]

Best of 3....

Best of 5...

Best of 7...

Best of 9...

What a helpfull post...

[andreadebi]

is it a new video?from spain event I assume... I never seen it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJh8gscw1p0

[Rock]

The Audi is definitely the beauty of the bunch and the most desirable car.

The Porsche is..............close but no cigar.

The GTR is..................Still The KING!!!:applause:

[Z07]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245741/



This is a grudge match showdown between the Nissan GT-R, Porsche 911 Turbo and Audi R8 V10 - and you can see the hi-res pictures and video here.

First up, our testers spent two days in the cars on normal roads, doing normal driving and seeing which could do 'normal' best.

See our exclusive Nissan GT-R v Porsche 911 v Audi R8 V10 pictures

Watch the Nissan GT-R v Porsche 911 v Audi R8 V10 video

The differences were stark: the GT-R's ride was harsh, and it was noisy - especially compared to the refined 911 Turbo; the R8 doesn't steer quite as sweetly as the 911, and its manual gearbox is a hindrance.

On the road, then, the testers rate the R8 as easiest to live with, followed by the 911 and GT-R. However, that order's reversed when they consider which is the most fun to have legal, on the road fun in.

To settle which is faster, autocar.co.uk then took the trio to a damp Castle Combe circuit and put Steve Sutcliffe out for a two timed laps in each.

It soon became clear that the GT-R is so stiff that it struggles in the wet. In contrast, the 911 is easier, faster and friendlier to drive in the wet, as is the 'how long can you hold it sideways R8'.

But as the day dried, Sutcliffe went out for his laps.

The 911 was first, and surprised Steve with the amount of steering wheel movement - especially over bumps. That said, the unwanted movement at the back of the previous generation car was gone, replaced by excellent body control and huge acceleration in each gear.

The R8 was well balanced and sounded fantastic, but its poor brakes and clumsy gearchange were major issues, making it the slowest of the three despite being the purest handling.

So it was left to the GT-R to take up the challenge, and on the dry track it did just that. The nervousness gone, replaced by near-perfect body control, massive stability on turn-in, extraordinary traction on the exit of corners and huge stopping power.

Despite being the heaviest and least powerful car at the track, the GT-R felt the fastest - and so it was - though only by 0.3sec over the 911.

So which is best? In theory it's the Audi, fitted with the Nissan's gearbox and 911's brakes, priced at the GT-R's level.

That car doesn't exist, so we have to pick the next best thing - the GT-R - performance bargain of the century.

Read the full story and see more pictures in this week's Autocar magazine.

[RXBG]

"That car doesn't exist"

it's coming...

[Bluehinder]

"That car doesn't exist"

it's coming...

Do you know something we don't?

[RXBG]

Do you know something we don't?

my sources say the R8 replacement will have a DSG option, new awd system, and weigh less. i don't have any info on engine, but i would expect something special from audi such a turboed V8 or twincharged V8.

as some would say "doesn't matter because by then there will be a new GTR and 998 TT".... but something tells me the next generation "R8" will leapfrog this one by much more than competitors' cars replacements.

regardless, the current generation is dynamically superior by most standards to the competiton, and in V10 form perfectly equal to any of them.

[Z07]

my sources say the R8 replacement will have a DSG option, new awd system, and weigh less.
Will it cost £55k like they said? :hihi:

[RXBG]

Will it cost £55k like they said? :hihi:

not sure who said that. i am sure it'll cost as least as much as the current one.

i don't buy the rumor that audi is mulling a car above the R8.

[Bluehinder]

my sources say the R8 replacement will have a DSG option, new awd system, and weigh less. i don't have any info on engine, but i would expect something special from audi such a turboed V8 or twincharged V8.

as some would say "doesn't matter because by then there will be a new GTR and 998 TT".... but something tells me the next generation "R8" will leapfrog this one by much more than competitors' cars replacements.

regardless, the current generation is dynamically superior by most standards to the competiton, and in V10 form perfectly equal to any of them.

While I agree with the last paragraph, any discussion about hypothetical future cars is nothing but a guessing game. All that counts is whats on the ground today.

Don't be too sure who leapfrogs who given the new relationship between Audi, Lambo and Porsche. I suspect the future will not the same as today, though I have no idea what direction any of them may go.

Regardless, the V10 is one of the finest cars available today at any price. I wouldn't take two GTR's for a V10, and vastly prefer the V10 R8 to the 998TT in any guise. No future R8 will relegate the current V10 to average.

The only other car I care about is the 458 Italia, and want one as soon as I can get one, which may be a while, despite my begging. I am on the list though.

[Z07]

not sure who said that. i am sure it'll cost as least as much as the current one.

i don't buy the rumor that audi is mulling a car above the R8.
I was joking. Autocar said the ideal car was an R8 V10, with the Porsche's brakes and the GTR's gearbox and price. You said it was coming. I was joking about it coming at the GTR's price.:)