Auto Zeitung - R8 V10 vs 997.2 Turbo vs GTR

[Z07]

Looks like a large improvement for Porsche. Good showing for the R8 too.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2ezkbck.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/29en3tg.jpg

[artur777]

gt-r is first - crazy! not?

[Spillies]

An Audi R8 in red isn't that nice, besides the numbers.

[Ruergard]

I look at the acceleration figures and WOW. The new Turbo is tearing the others a part, no other car with 500hp can match a 10,4 sec run to 200 km/h today... :bow:

That is supercar territory.

[Z07]

But as someone said on another forum. $70k is a lot to pay for a Cobb AP's ($500) worth of difference and the handling still comes up shy.

[Ruergard]

Point made, but it's still a Nissan against a Porsche. ;) :thumb:

I'm wondering over the tyres, is the ones that the GT-R is rolling on here R tyres? Or just very sticky normal ones?

[Z07]

Point made, but it's still a Nissan against a Porsche. ;) :thumb:
All the more reason to get it. Remember that this is a German mag.:hihi:



I'm wondering over the tyres, is the ones that the GT-R is rolling on here R tyres? Or just very sticky normal ones?
The GTR only comes with one type of tyre now. They are also runflats. Remember that the 911 is also using a temporary overboost function (Sport Chrono).

70,000 Euros buys a lot of mods:

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=35452&st=0&start=0

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=35476

Did I also mention that the Mines R35 has lapped Fuji Speedway in 1:49 on street tyres, making it 7+ seconds faster than a stock R35.

http://www.ppi-mines.com/

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track78.html

I simply don't think a 997 Turbo can cope with this even if vastly more is spent on mods on top of a vastly more expensive car. How can you compete with 4s/minute faster than a stock GTR? That's Super-GT entry pace! It's 1s faster than a Mines R34 and they're not even done yet! It's a better chassis and no amount of time spent polishing a 911 and adding power will change that.

[audi_ch]

stock to stock 911 is destroying the other cars acceleration wise...

And that is what 99% of the buyers do, acceleration on the highways..

Dont wanna know what the new 911 gt2 does to the other cars.. (however he will be called)

Porsche stays porsche, now Audi have to show what the rs8 can do...

[bastordd]

Good results for R8 in accelaration!
The 911 is very fast car with less than 500 hp but in low speeds in high speeds have other cars more fast but have more and more power!

[andreadebi]

sport auto test 997.2 turbo pdk

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/459/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg/) http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg/1/w1275.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img215/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg/1/)

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http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/459/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg/) http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg/1/w1275.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img402/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg/1/)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6762/sportautoporsche911turbl.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/sportautoporsche911turbl.jpg/) http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/sportautoporsche911turbl.jpg/1/w1275.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img7/sportautoporsche911turbl.jpg/1/)

[Z07]

Good results for R8 in accelaration!
The 911 is very fast car with less than 500 hp but in low speeds in high speeds have other cars more fast but have more and more power!
I'd be surprised if a car doing 100-160kph in 3.6s only has 500bhp. I know that's what it says but even the 997.1 had more than 500. ;) Think about it, 100-160kph in 3.6s. Find another car with similar performance and tell me what power-weight it has. We'll allow .3s for PDK vs manual.

[RXBG]

porsche moved the game up and made the turbo more competitive in the handling department- its chief drawback up until now. good for porsche. this should keep it viable as a car for a couple of years. i am still a bit confused about the timing of this update in relation to the supposed all new 911 coming out in the next couple of years, but whatever.

i'd like to see a turbo vs italia vs lp560 vs R8 V10 vs SLS comparison asap.

better yet- i'd like to see a MANUAL comparison- turbo vs R8 V10.

[Z07]

I'd be surprised if a car doing 100-160kph in 3.6s only has 500bhp. I know that's what it says but even the 997.1 had more than 500. ;) Think about it, 100-160kph in 3.6s. Find another car with similar performance and tell me what power-weight it has. We'll allow .3s for PDK vs manual.
Looking at the Sport Auto results, those 3.6s are down to 4.0s, so it looks like the Auto Zeitung 911 was a little nippy.

[Z07]

porsche moved the game up and made the turbo more competitive in the handling department- its chief drawback up until now. good for porsche. this should keep it viable as a car for a couple of years. i am still a bit confused about the timing of this update in relation to the supposed all new 911 coming out in the next couple of years, but whatever.

i'd like to see a turbo vs italia vs lp560 vs R8 V10 vs SLS comparison asap.

better yet- i'd like to see a MANUAL comparison- turbo vs R8 V10.
New GTR in 2013 too.:hahahehe:

[RXBG]

New GTR in 2013 too.:hahahehe:

lets see if nissan has the balls to make it with three pedals. i can bet you the 998 TT will have one. lets what nissan can really build vs the current fully automated go cart.

ps- i am so disappointed in lexus not making the LFA with a manual option.

[Ruergard]

The GTR only comes with one type of tyre now. They are also runflats. Remember that the 911 is also using a temporary overboost function (Sport Chrono).



Thanks for the info!
Yes, the 911 does that but it's an option from the factory. ;)


Looking at the Sport Auto results, those 3.6s are down to 4.0s, so it looks like the Auto Zeitung 911 was a little nippy.

But it have been making 3's to 100 km/h and 10's to 200 km/h in tests before this one as well..

But I agree, that's an loss in performance, a pretty big one.

Well well... I'd go for the R8 anyway. :R8:

[Benman]

better yet- i'd like to see a MANUAL comparison- turbo vs R8 V10.
Soon, in a few years, this will not even be possible ;)

http://rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?p=176260#post176260

Ben:addict:

[Benman]

lets see if nissan has the balls to make it with three pedals.

ps- i am so disappointed in lexus not making the LFA with a manual option.

The same can be said of the 458...

Let it go Rodrigo, let it go, it will be ok. :D

Ben:addict:

[Z07]

Thanks for the info!
Yes, the 911 does that but it's an option from the factory. ;)

So is the Nismo Club Sport Package and Nismo ECU.:deal:
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=34969

http://www.gtrblog.com/2009/05/15/nismo-sports-resetting-ecu-and-tcm-for-nissan-gt-r/



Well well... I'd go for the R8 anyway. :R8:
If someone else was paying then I agree. Certainly take a V10 over a flat-6 at a similar price.

[andreadebi]

Latest issue of AMS - R8 V10 R-tronic vs. GT-R and Turbo PDK

Hockenheimring:

1. 1.11,5 min - Turbo PDK (on Potenzas)
2. 1.12,0 min - GT-R
3. 1.12,3 min - R8 V10

[Ruergard]

If someone else was paying then I agree. Certainly take a V10 over a flat-6 at a similar price.

Ofcourse, in value and performance for money the GT-R is spot on. Great car!

1.11,5 is pretty damn quick.

[artur777]

Ofcourse, in value and performance for money the GT-R is spot on. Great car!

1.11,5 is pretty damn quick.

What cars are on par with 997.2 Turbo on this track?

[Erik]

What cars are on par with 997.2 Turbo on this track?

Please note AMS is not the same driver as Sport Auto.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track7.html

10. Koenigsegg CCR 1:09.8 134 ´04 806 / 1418 "Sport Auto"
11. RUF RT12 1:10.2 134 ´05 650 / 1573 Sport Auto
12. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 1:10.3 133 ´07 510 / 1402 sportauto
13. Porsche 997 GT3 (facelift) 1:10.4 133 ´09 435 / 1376 Sport Auto
14. Nissan GT-R 1:10.7 133 ´08 479 / 1740 Sport Auto
15. Pagani Zonda F 1:10.8 132 ´05 602 / 1371 "Sport Auto"
16. Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 1:10.9 132 ´07 530 / 1520 Sport Auto
17. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 1:10.9 132 ´09 525 / 1620 sportauto
18. Porsche 997 GT3 RS 1:11.1 132 ´06 415 / 1375 Sport Auto
19. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 Spyder 1:11.1 132 ´09 560 / 1590 Sport Auto
20. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 1:11.3 131 ´08 560 / 1530 Sport Auto
21. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:11.5 131 ´05 513 / 1437.3 Sport auto 4/2006
22. Porsche 996 GT2 (483 PS) 1:11.6 131 ´03 483 / 1420 sportauto
23. Porsche 997 GT3 1:11.7 131 ´06 415 / 1395 "Sport Auto"
24. Lamborghini Gallardo 1:11.8 131 ´03 500 / 1613 "Sport Auto"
25. Porsche 996 GT3 RS 1:11.8 131 ´03 381 / 1360 "Sport Auto"
26. Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 1:11.8 131 ´06 640 / 1805 Sport Auto
27. Pagani Zonda C12 S 1:11.8 131 ´02 555 / 1250 Sport Auto

[audi_ch]

Very interesting that the GTR had sport tyres on.

the even mentiond that, that the gtr with sport tyres is slower than the 911 on the normal potenzas.

[emve]

Very interesting that the GTR had sport tyres on.

the even mentiond that, that the gtr with sport tyres is slower than the 911 on the normal potenzas.

GT-R was also on Potenzas. Which is unusual, because more sporty Dunlops are standard in EU.

[audi_ch]

but other specifcation written on the articel

[Z07]

Ofcourse, in value and performance for money the GT-R is spot on. Great car!

1.11,5 is pretty damn quick.
Shame a slower '09 GTR has ran 1:10.7 in Sport Auto's test last year.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track7.html