Volkswagen Golf R

[tailpipe]

This latest Golf is good news. 270 bhp and 0-100 kph in 5.5 seconds for the DSG equipped version. The AWD system is apparently hydraulic. i am not quite sure what this means but the promise of more usable performance should make it worth having. The styling tweaks are great. Love the LED lights front and rear. Altogether much more subtle and refined than the GTI, which is not to take anything away from the GTI.

i ordered a GTI for September delivery and now this comes along...:doh:

[andreadebi]

This latest Golf is good news. 270 bhp and 0-100 kph in 5.5 seconds for the DSG equipped version. The AWD system is apparently hydraulic. i am not quite sure what this means but the promise of more usable performance should make it worth having. The styling tweaks are great. Love the LED lights front and rear. Altogether much more subtle and refined than the GTI, which is not to take anything away from the GTI.

i ordered a GTI for September delivery and now this comes along...:doh:

is it the latest haldex version?hydraulic...what was before?electronic maybe?

[tailpipe]

I don't know the answer, because no one has yet road tested it. Most of the existing reports are based only on VW's Press Release at the IAA. It should all become clear within a couple of weeks.

For me, the Golf R is more practical than the TT-S (as well as much more conservative, which I like). It is also better looking than the S3 IMHO.

[Leadfoot]

It's using the latest Haldex system that's used in the TT/S and probably the TT/RS though I can't say that for sure.

Should be a great alternative to the S3 and 130i, though it's price a bit on the high side.

[andreadebi]

I don't know the answer, because no one has yet road tested it. Most of the existing reports are based only on VW's Press Release at the IAA. It should all become clear within a couple of weeks.

For me, the Golf R is more practical than the TT-S (as well as much more conservative, which I like). It is also better looking than the S3 IMHO.

I agree. Curious to see the technical depth about awd system...

On the web I found that...

The new Golf R utilizes a newer version of the Haldex all-wheel-drive system that does not require slip to engage AWD. Rather the new system is pre-primed and looks at throttle position and torque being delivered to determine how much clutch-pack locking to initiate. What this means is if the car is floored from a standing start, the electronics automatically assume that maximum torque is required and pre-engages the AWD system to maximize grip for the launch. When the car is normally driving down the highway in a situation where AWD isn't necessary, the system disengages the AWD clutch pack to reduce frictional losses and improve economy. Overall the new system is far more responsive and progressive in its behavior.

[Ruergard]

Looks very good and sounds promising. Should be one great driving machine!

[tailpipe]

I agree. Curious to see the technical depth about awd system...

On the web I found that...

The new Golf R utilizes a newer version of the Haldex all-wheel-drive system that does not require slip to engage AWD. Rather the new system is pre-primed and looks at throttle position and torque being delivered to determine how much clutch-pack locking to initiate. What this means is if the car is floored from a standing start, the electronics automatically assume that maximum torque is required and pre-engages the AWD system to maximize grip for the launch. When the car is normally driving down the highway in a situation where AWD isn't necessary, the system disengages the AWD clutch pack to reduce frictional losses and improve economy. Overall the new system is far more responsive and progressive in its behavior.

Grazie mille per tua 'insight'.

I love this car. it really has something.

[andreadebi]

Grazie mille per tua 'insight'.

I love this car. it really has something.

;) yes I agree

[Leadfoot]

I agree. Curious to see the technical depth about awd system...

On the web I found that...

The new Golf R utilizes a newer version of the Haldex all-wheel-drive system that does not require slip to engage AWD. Rather the new system is pre-primed and looks at throttle position and torque being delivered to determine how much clutch-pack locking to initiate. What this means is if the car is floored from a standing start, the electronics automatically assume that maximum torque is required and pre-engages the AWD system to maximize grip for the launch. When the car is normally driving down the highway in a situation where AWD isn't necessary, the system disengages the AWD clutch pack to reduce frictional losses and improve economy. Overall the new system is far more responsive and progressive in its behavior.

Just as I thought, it's the same as the TT/RS. Should make it a better car than the old R32 and even more enjoyable to drive than the Mk6 GTI.

[andreadebi]

and you can add also HPP Haldex with 3 settings ;)

[Leadfoot]

I remember reading somewhere that no VAG product has used anything other than 2 Gen Haldex, now that statement was obivously made prior to either the TT/RS or the Golf R, so is it right to still assume no Haldex-XWD (http://www.haldex-xwd.com/).

Or is that assumption wrong?

[andreadebi]

€ 36.400 in germany

http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/2363/volkswagen-golf-r-pricing-details

full optional € 47.000....

[tailpipe]

Andrea, are you thinking of getting a Golf R?

[Erik]

@Tailpipe, did you get my mail? :)

I think I'd rather have an S3 Sportsback than the Golf :)

Last time I looked the Golf was much more expensive than an A3 SB with smae level of options.

[andreadebi]

Andrea, are you thinking of getting a Golf R?

I like it very much but not thinking of getting one...and in 2 years new golf VII...

[KresoF1]

Golf R on German VW web site:

http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf/ausstattungslinien/r.html
Technical data for DSG version: http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf/zahlen___fakten/daten.detail.0.12.html

Scirocco R

http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/scirocco/ausstattungslinien/r.html

Technical data: http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/scirocco/zahlen___fakten/technische_daten.detail.0.7.html

[andreadebi]

Golf R on German VW web site:

http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf/ausstattungslinien/r.html
Technical data for DSG version: http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf/zahlen___fakten/daten.detail.0.12.html

Scirocco R

http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/scirocco/ausstattungslinien/r.html

Technical data: http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/scirocco/zahlen___fakten/technische_daten.detail.0.7.html

grazie ;)

[EUROTEK//RS6]

is the Golf R the same thing the Golf R36 ?

[andreadebi]

is the Golf R the same thing the Golf R36 ?

no.it's a 2.0l tfsi vs vr6 on passat

[The Pretender]

Nice car wrong engine.

[The RS6]

Nice car wrong engine.

?

You'd like it to use 2.5TFSI? :vhmmm:

[The Pretender]

?

You'd like it to use 2.5TFSI? :vhmmm:
It would be a better engine for it.

There was a rumour VW was developing a brand new 3.0TFSI VR6 engine.
But i don't see the point of it with the 2.5TFSI R5 up and running.

[The RS6]

Wouldn't that kinda kill the point of the S3? And I don't even want to think what would TT-RS owners have to say about that...

[The Pretender]

Wouldn't that kinda kill the point of the S3? And I don't even want to think what would TT-RS owners have to say about that...

The 2.5TFSI engine will be used all over VAG in due time. ;)

Next S3.
Next Passat R.

And Skoda's and Seat's

[Leadfoot]

The 2.5TFSI engine will be used all over VAG in due time. ;)

Next S3.
Next Passat R.

And Skoda's and Seat's

Yeah, this engine need/deserves to be seen a lot more than just the TT.

[tailpipe]

Audi's 5-cylinder engine is nothing short of brilliant and one of the best units in its line-up at this time IMHO. it is a stunning combination of power and economy. And the sound it makes is just an added bonus. Ironic that it started life as a VW unit. I think this engine would be great in a Golf; in fact I wouldn't complain if it found its way into the S4: more power, less consumption.

[The Pretender]

I don't think Audi will replace the 3.0 V6 TFSI by a 2.5 R5 TFSI in the B8 S4.
I even doubt we will see this engine in any longitudinal front engine layout.
The only longitudinal use i see is in some kind of mid-engined car.

[KresoF1]

Audi's 5-cylinder engine is nothing short of brilliant and one of the best units in its line-up at this time IMHO. it is a stunning combination of power and economy. And the sound it makes is just an added bonus. Ironic that it started life as a VW unit. I think this engine would be great in a Golf; in fact I wouldn't complain if it found its way into the S4: more power, less consumption.

Hmm... According to German magazines TT RS actually cosumes more fuel then S4(3.0 TFSI).

Examples(TT RS fuel consumption):

AMS 12.9L/100km

Sport Auto 16.3L/100km

BTW, when pushed that 2.5L turbo consumes fuel as much as possible. Another example-press TT RS on trip between Stuttgart and Munich on average 180km/h consumed 20.0L/100km, that is a lot IMHO.

Yes, 2.5L goes very nice indeed. Economy wise it is not any better then current S4. In fact in normal driving situations S4 equiped with 7speed S Tronic cunsumes up to 2L/100km less fuel then TT RS.

[tailpipe]

Hmm... According to German magazines TT RS actually cosumes more fuel then S4(3.0 TFSI).

Examples(TT RS fuel consumption):

AMS 12.9L/100km

Sport Auto 16.3L/100km

BTW, when pushed that 2.5L turbo consumes fuel as much as possible. Another example-press TT RS on trip between Stuttgart and Munich on average 180km/h consumed 20.0L/100km, that is a lot IMHO.

Yes, 2.5L goes very nice indeed. Economy wise it is not any better then current S4. In fact in normal driving situations S4 equiped with 7speed S Tronic cunsumes up to 2L/100km less fuel then TT RS.

That's very interesting. English magazines report much better figures!!! I guess the German magazines did a longer tests.

While the S4's economy might be better than the TT RS with a 5-cylinder 2.5 TFSI, I understand that the 3.0 litre TFSI is not much better than the V8 FSI fitted to the S5?

I've heard that Audi is working on 3.0-litre TFSI to improve consumption. Do you know anything about this?

It makes me wonder what sort of economy the engine in the RS5 will deliver. Horrendous, probably. But if you're buying a high performance coupe, then fuel consumption probably isn't an issue, unless of course it gives the car a very limited range between fuel stops.

One thing is for sure is that Audi's ability to design great engines improves with every new unit they produce.

[KresoF1]

3.0 TFSI from MY2010 is using different ECU programming for better fuel economy. There wont be major change on that engine till end of current S4/S5/S5SB production.

[Klint]

The Golf R does look good, but expensive for what it is for sure!

Still loving the MK4 R32 here after 6 years and 40k miles of ownership.

[HKS786]

The Golf R does look good, but expensive for what it is for sure!

Still loving the MK4 R32 here after 6 years and 40k miles of ownership.

Mk4 R32 looks better than the Mk5 R32 and so far even the Mk6 GTI. I love it.

[Klint]

Mk4 R32 looks better than the Mk5 R32 and so far even the Mk6 GTI. I love it.
Think of it as the original GTI but with the 'R' name!

Wonder when VW are going to focus more on losing weight on the sportier Golfs? Would seriously be interested in the over priced Golfs then. Saying that the R32 cam in at £33,500 back in '03 but for the money the MK6 ought to have the TT RS motor or some sort of VR6/R36 powerplant.

[Erik]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/stefanruf/80talochrgolf018.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/stefanruf/80talochrgolf019.jpg
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http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/stefanruf/80talochrgolf016.jpg
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http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/stefanruf/80talochrgolf017.jpg

[Leadfoot]

Am I the only one here that actually finds the Golf R far more attractive than either the S3 3dr or 5dr. And if I'm being totally honest I think I prefer the look of the Scirocco R to the TT/S and TT/RS.

[tailpipe]

Leadie,

I agree with you. New Golf is very attractive, even if it more of a Mk 5.5 than a true Mk 6. The R, in particular, is stunning. But to be fair to the A3, it is much older and so it is only natural that it should look dated and less adventurous next to the newer Golf.

To a certain extent, I think you're right about the Scirocco too. The rear interior seat arrangement is particularly good in comparison. But there is something about the TT-RS that is so desirable. It looks aggressive and masculine in a way that cooking TTs do not.

I lust after the new 5-cylinder engine and would love to see this in a hatchback that has 5-seats. I guess it may well arrive in an RS version of the next A3, but this is a few years away still. I still think that not putting the 2.5 in the Golf R was a missed opportunity.

Loving the new GTI. Such an easy car to live with, but really goes hard when you want it to. DSG is a must as is leather, ACC, SatNAv and xenons. Not cheap.

[andreadebi]

Am I the only one here that actually finds the Golf R far more attractive than either the S3 3dr or 5dr. And if I'm being totally honest I think I prefer the look of the Scirocco R to the TT/S and TT/RS.

me too! However we have to see how will be next S3 generation