It's official, my tranny is toast! Time to mod!

[p3u]

Seems my inconsistent power issue was in fact the tranny slipping all this time, and today it decided to go out.:nana: I noticed a strange whine while accelerating this morning, and when shifting from 1-2 the rpms stayed at about 4k while the car accelerated. At least I know why my car was acting the way it was all of these months, but now comes the fun part...

So with it having to be replaced I figure now is the time to do everything since the motor has to come out. I need your guys help on this!

As far as a new tranny what should I do? Get a rebuilt one, or get mine rebuilt and strengthened? Bigger question is who to do this and what kind of costs? As far as the torque converter goes I'm going to have VAST build one, also with a higher stall on it.

So that is the first part.

Next thing is the turbos. Again, since it is all coming out now will be the time to upgrade. Is there any turbo kits available for the beast? Should I just have say Blouch upgrade the existing units? Go full custom and do what no one else has?

I figure with everything, tranny, turbos, down pipes, custom tune, intercoolers, etc I'm looking at ~15-20k. Not an easy number to swallow, but should be worth it if done correctly.

Finally, with everything out and apart what additional items should be replaced? O2 sensors, etc...

Grizz, Mr. B, MRC anyone that is listening, if you can lend your expertise and help me build up my car I would greatly appreciate it. This is going to take some time to do, but with everyone on here I know we can make something special happen.
:rs6kiss:

[Ruergard]

Sad to hear about the tranny, but hey... It can be fixed!

And with other thoughts mentioned above, this might turn out to be something good? :hahahehe:

[snoopra]

ACE converters is another option. There's a group buy thread here for IPT transmission rebuild/upgrade, you could see if the offer still stands. They also build custom TC's and valve bodies. Wagner Tuning Intercooler upgrades with CF ducts. I would check Blouch about the upgrade, any increase in lag? 5 bar FPR and Bosch 044 fuel pump. Full Milltek exhaust. "Custom Code" ECU/TCU upgrade.

[AudiRS4ever]

Sorry to hear that. Kind of thought it would be when you started describing your problems with it. Like you said though, now you can make it the car you wanted to have in the first place and not have to worry about the tranny blowing out again.

Thoughts to what you can do. Definitely add the downpipes and cats. I have Miltek and love them. Add the 5 bar FPR. A custom tune. I don't know if you can put larger injectors on the car, or if it would even help. Definitely better intercoolers. That's all I can think of for the engine. I'm not sure, but I don't think there is any point in replacing the turbos. They are great the way they are, but I'm sure someone will have bigger ones if you really want. Good luck and keep us posted.

[p3u]

Sorry to hear that. Kind of thought it would be when you started describing your problems with it. Like you said though, now you can make it the car you wanted to have in the first place and not have to worry about the tranny blowing out again.

Thoughts to what you can do. Definitely add the downpipes and cats. I have Miltek and love them. Add the 5 bar FPR. A custom tune. I don't know if you can put larger injectors on the car, or if it would even help. Definitely better intercoolers. That's all I can think of for the engine. I'm not sure, but I don't think there is any point in replacing the turbos. They are great the way they are, but I'm sure someone will have bigger ones if you really want. Good luck and keep us posted.

I'm going to get a set of downpipes made by AR design I think, our of Denver, they do amazing work from what I've seen.

Turbos are going to be replaced, if not with something different, at least change the wheel to something bigger/more efficient. Intercoolers probably wagner, and I'm trying to look into an e85 tune. Be like having 107oct all time :incar:

[hahnmgh63]

I'm not sure how long this group buy is going to last and if we'll get the required # but here is the link for them 034 Wagner RS6 Group buy.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308896

[groupbq]

I would definitely check out IPT, they did a great job upgrading my valve body and they seem quite knowledgeable of ZF transmissions.

Also, based on my experience, a certain Audi specialist is vastly overrated - beware of their products and services.

[p3u]

I would definitely check out IPT, they did a great job upgrading my valve body and they seem quite knowledgeable of ZF transmissions.

Also, based on my experience, a certain Audi specialist is vastly overrated - beware of their products and services.

Please PM me on what you are refering to. Thanks

[hahnmgh63]

I'm assuming that he meant Level 10? I know there is someone here on the list that has used them with success but there are others on different lists that have not had any success.

[Shoppinit]

@grouppq, what difference to the driving experience did the uprated valve body make?

[groupbq]

The IPT valve body mod results in more consistent and crisper shifting, especially under heavy load. The clamping pressures are increased to reduce clutch slippage - check out their website:
http://www.importperformancetrans.com/volkswagonauto.shtml

[hahnmgh63]

I may very well do that valve body mod over the winter. I guess I'll just have to wait for the rainy weather to pull the valve body out of the tranny and ship it off to IPT. It is good to hear feedback from listers and I'm also holding out to see what you (p3u) do with your tranny.

[p3u]

I may very well do that valve body mod over the winter. I guess I'll just have to wait for the rainy weather to pull the valve body out of the tranny and ship it off to IPT. It is good to hear feedback from listers and I'm also holding out to see what you (p3u) do with your tranny.

I'll be making half a dozen calls on leads I've gotten from the different forums, apparently there is a gentleman with an RS6 from Kansas that has his car at a shop no more then an hour away doing a 6 speed conversion...

[Avus-RS6]

I'll be making half a dozen calls on leads I've gotten from the different forums, apparently there is a gentleman with an RS6 from Kansas that has his car at a shop no more then an hour away doing a 6 speed conversion...

Now that's worth following! Sorry to hear about your tranny.

[SteveKen]

I was just going to throw out the 6 speed option again. Save about 200 pounds, gain extra room in the tunnel. I'm very close with my adapter, and starter.

[p3u]

I was just going to throw out the 6 speed option again. Save about 200 pounds, gain extra room in the tunnel. I'm very close with my adapter, and starter.

How close are you? I'm looking to start my project in about a month. Maybe I could have you help :)

[rmedy23]

:addict:
I was just going to throw out the 6 speed option again. Save about 200 pounds, gain extra room in the tunnel. I'm very close with my adapter, and starter.


Keep me posted on that......

So we will no longer need the S6 block to do a 6sp conversion..... ?

Then we can fit larger turbo's.... or more effiecent exhaust manifold,...... hmmmmmmmmmmmm :applause:

[SteveKen]

:addict:
So we will no longer need the S6 block to do a 6sp conversion..... ?

I've got an S6 running now with an 01E. I added the necessary wires and misc other things, unplugged the TCU and here's what popped up:
http://www.kendrish.com/galleries/S6/build/cluster_clutch.JPG

It's still throwing codes, but once I get into the ECU and brainwash it into thinking it's a manual, my work can basically transfer to the RS6.

Mating the engine to the 01E requires:

an adapter that I have had engineered
a euro spec or custom flywheel (I have a source for either)
A custom starter (next in the queue)
2.7T prop shaft (or adapted RS6 prop shaft)

I would have this finished if I could have found an RS6 with a bad trans or motor as a donor.

Is there anyone serious about doing this? Keep in mind that a correctly geared and beefed up 01E is most likely more $$$ than rebuilding the slushbox.

Anyone can PM me for details if seriously interested.

[p3u]

Question, does anyone know the actual RPM the torque converter stalls at? Wondering what the stall speed should be bumped up to if I go with the rebuild?

Thanks!

[snoopra]

Contact IPT, they should have the stall speed info.

[p3u]

Ok, from the calls I've made the 6 speed option is out there, but still too expensive, 13-15k is what I've been quoted. I'll be rebuilding the tranny instead.

I'm still excited about it though, with the increased stall speed the car should pull much harder off the line, and with the valve body and clutch pack mods the car will shift much crisper, and be able to handle much more power.

[AudiRS4ever]

Ok, from the calls I've made the 6 speed option is out there, but still too expensive, 13-15k is what I've been quoted. I'll be rebuilding the tranny instead.

I'm still excited about it though, with the increased stall speed the car should pull much harder off the line, and with the valve body and clutch pack mods the car will shift much crisper, and be able to handle much more power.

So......who's doing the rebuild? Inquiring minds want to know.

[p3u]

So......who's doing the rebuild? Inquiring minds want to know.

I'm still waiting to hear back from two more places, but its looking like a shop out in Chicago is who will be doing the work.

I found out about this place from a well know transmission expert that is the turn to guy on Quattroworld, and formally audiworld. Great price, and the person is an expert, rebuilding these things is all he does, and he has the knowledge to remove the tranny without the engine, saving a considerable amount on labor. He laughs at the audi manual for ~24hours required to remove and install. :hihi: When he told me how many hours it would take i almost fell over!

I can provide more information if interested in contacting him for a rebuild, maybe get a group buy on it! lol

[snoopra]

More info on this expert please. What's the price? Are parts reinforced and cryo-treated like IPT is claiming? More info on trans-only removal?

[gareth60]

and he has the knowledge to remove the tranny without the engine, saving a considerable amount on labor. He laughs at the audi manual for ~24hours required to remove and install. :hihi:

Now im interested. All the prices i've seen are quite resonable for a rebuild, but the huge cost is the labour getting the engine in / out.

[terrytcl]

I'm still waiting to hear back from two more places, but its looking like a shop out in Chicago is who will be doing the work.

I found out about this place from a well know transmission expert that is the turn to guy on Quattroworld, and formally audiworld. Great price, and the person is an expert, rebuilding these things is all he does, and he has the knowledge to remove the tranny without the engine, saving a considerable amount on labor. He laughs at the audi manual for ~24hours required to remove and install. :hihi: When he told me how many hours it would take i almost fell over!

I can provide more information if interested in contacting him for a rebuild, maybe get a group buy on it! lol


me too
i'm near chicago.
my tranny is going too, and i think my warranty will pay for part of it.

[p3u]

me too
i'm near chicago.
my tranny is going too, and i think my warranty will pay for part of it.

If your serious contact me, I'll see if he can give us a discount for multiple. I'm getting in done middle to late next month.

[terrytcl]

pm'd you

[Shoppinit]

You guys are actually quite lucky in the states in that there are many independant and ZF affiliated tranny places. In Europe you're pretty much screwed and have to pay Audi for a new (exchange) box. If I were in the USA, I'd definitely want an ACE TC in mine and modified valve body.

What I'm interested in is how to get the box out without removing the whole engine / tranny assmembly. Does anyone have any idea how to do this?

[p3u]

More info on this expert please. What's the price? Are parts reinforced and cryo-treated like IPT is claiming? More info on trans-only removal?

I asked about cryo treating, he seemed to think its pointless on an automatic. He brought up a good point, in manuals it worth doing due to solid connection in the tranny, where as on an auto all of the fluids and clutch packs take out the harsh mechanical transfer.

[hahnmgh63]

Seems like our the trannies don't last long on a stock car and if your going to mod your car as you do the tranny then you want some improvements in the tranny or it's not going to even last close to this long next time? I'm only chipped (REVO) but I plan on doing some mods to my tranny when I pull it in the next year or so but I'm not sure who I'll go with, some are saying IPT? I think a rebuild with a better TQ and Valve body at least. I'll gut the pre-cats or new downpipes while I'm there but other than that it will just be new hoses and sensors (O2, EGT).

[Shoppinit]

What happened with this in the end? Dod you get a modified tranny?

What about this manual conversion?

[p3u]

Work starts in two weeks.

[Shoppinit]

Sounds good. What are you going to have done in the end?