Video + pics: Audi RS5 spied

[Erik]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xoNOZEHe6o

"Here is the new Audi RS5 being tested on the Grossglockner Pass as well as Mercedes testing some new brakes"

RS5 - presumably. I'm not sure.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3652/3625452123_0557a98676_b.jpg

E63 AMG under test

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3659/3625436739_ac11045663_b.jpg

All pics by brady.

[LittleDevil]

Nice find, do you have some more pics?

Best Regards

[Erik]

Some more:

http://www.gtspirit.com/2009/06/15/spy-shots-audi-rs5-testing-at-the-grossglockner/

The release of the Audi RS5 is coming closer, this undisguised Audi RS5 was testing at the famous Grossglockner pass in Austria. Our friends Brady and David Dwyer snapped some photos and a short video of the Audi RS5 in action.

The Audi RS5 will be equipped with the well-known 4.2 V8, pushing out a little over 450 hp. And like the S5, also the RS5 is likely to see a topless version. In the video below you can hear the sound of the new Audi RS5 as it’s produced by the V8 driving up the mountain.

The Grossglockner, where the Audi RS5 was spotted, is one of Austria’s main tourist attractions. The 48km long alpine road that starts in Bruck and ends in Heiligenblut leads you through the heart of the Hohe Tauern National Park, to the highest mountain in Austria, the Grossglockner (3,798m) and its glacier, the Pasterze. The Grossglockner Hochalpenstrasse as it’s called in German, features 36 bends, and an altitude ascent to 2,504 metres! If you’re ever in Austria make sure to visit it, it’s open from the beginning of may till the end of october.

http://www.gtspirit.com/2009/06/15/spy-shots-mercedes-e63-amg-testing-at-grossglockner/

While the new Mercedes E63 AMG was released to the public two months ago at the New York Motorshow, this E63 AMG was caugth testing the AMG brakes at the Grossglockner pass. The upcoming SLR successor, the Mercedes SLS, was also seen in the area of the Grossglockner. Speculation suggests that AMG uses the E63 AMG to test different brakes and brake settings for their SLS Gullwing.

It’s no secret AMG used similar brakes on the Mercedes SLS mule that was caught testing before.

[The Pretender]

That is just a S5 3.0TFSI Supercharged.

[The RS6]

That is just a S5 3.0TFSI Supercharged.

It doesn't sound like it...sounds very much V8ish to me...

[Erik]

I'm not sure - but:

Front grill looks different?

Sounds like V8

Test driver said it was RS5

[The Pretender]

Test driver said it was RS5
He told what people want to hear. ;)

[Leadfoot]

That is 100% the same sound as the RS5 that has been hammering around the ring for the better part of 6 months.

[Ruergard]

V8 power for sure in that mule.

[RXBG]

i am sick of waiting for this car to be introduced.

[Bingocaller]

V8 for sure - no doubt! Bring it on!

[Randy M]

No boost=fail

[QuattroFun]

Looking so much forward to the NA V8 RS5 with DSG and Sportdiff - if it turns out to be as good as I hope it will be, I may come back from "the dark nemesis RWD side (which I currently just love for a change after 4 performance Q Audis in a row)"...

[pampas]

i am sick of waiting for this car to be introduced.

:vgrumpy:

[kip]

http://www.fourtitude.com/news/uploads/Audi_News/033__scaled_600_006.jpg

http://forums.finalgear.com/automotive-news/fourtitude-b8-audi-rs4-and-rs5-plans-exposed-29278/

Ive heard it will have 480bhp?! Is there any new info...

[The Pretender]

Ive heard it will have 480bhp?! Is there any new info...
I doubt we will see 480 hp from a High-Rev V8, 440-450 at the most IMHO.

[artur777]

The topic was discussed hundreds of times here.

V8 4.2 NA 450 hp is the figure we have heard all the time.

[The Pretender]

The topic was discussed hundreds of times here.

V8 4.2 NA 450 hp is the figure we have heard all the time.
Yes for the V8 in the Blue mule.
Audi is also still testing a Red Mule with different engine. ;)

[Leadfoot]

I don't know how much faith can be given to this info, it's from a mate who's into BMWs and has an ear with some source relating to their M products. He told me that the next M3 which will be out earlier than first thought (2012~13), supposedly BMW's 3 series sales are dropping worldwide and the next 3 series is being rushed into production a couple of years earlier than originally planned, anyway it will be running a V6TT engine (something well known) but it's rumoured to be aiming for a Co2 level below 225 which is well below what could possibly be expected for an RS5 with a V8.

I am wondering whether the RS5 will be made in V8 form now. :eye:

[The Pretender]

I don't know how much faith can be given to this info, it's from a mate who's into BMWs and has an ear with some source relating to their M products. He told me that the next M3 which will be out earlier than first thought (2012~13), supposedly BMW's 3 series sales are dropping worldwide and the next 3 series is being rushed into production a couple of years earlier than originally planned, anyway it will be running a V6TT engine (something well known) but it's rumoured to be aiming for a Co2 level below 225 which is well below what could possibly be expected for an RS5 with a V8.

I am wondering whether the RS5 will be made in V8 form now. :eye:
V6TT you mean inline 6 TT like the 135i engine.

A BMW V6 is curse in church.

[Leadfoot]

V6TT you mean inline 6 TT like the 135i engine.

A BMW V6 is curse in church.

Well I did say you would have to take this info at face value.

Either way, inline or vee, the idea of an RS5 rival with a Co2 of 225 or less does put the RS5 at a major disadvantage from a marketing stand point.

[QuattroFun]

The whole point of the RS5 is stand out as the supreme range topper with the right feelgood factor - therefore a V8 is exactly what is needed (NA or charged) as six pots are for a class below nevermind the output. Downsizing suits volume models but not enthusiast cars - they latter should only be made as efficient and SOTA C02 and power wise as possible given the powerplant. M cars will surely lose their mojo, identity and heritage when they move to chargers and stray away from core competence no matter how good the car is in its class - just witness the poor reception of the X5 M and X6 M by journalists and many traditionalists. A diesel Ferrari estate car is next up?

[The Pretender]

I would not call the Nissan GT-R six pot or every Porsche Flat Six turbo for that matter for a class below.

[QuattroFun]

I would not call the Nissan GT-R six pot or every Porsche Flat Six turbo for that matter for a class below.

Well, this is clearly debatable - horses for courses I say. I am the first to admit that a small and light 911 GT3 or M3 E46 CSL should have a highly strung six pot engine and there are also other great sixes. But not the RS5 and especially as the FL S5 will already have a charged V6. Why was the Panamera Turbo not launched with a V6 TT like the GT2, which develops even more output? Perhaps because the RS5 is really in spirit and target closer to the Panamera than a 911? I would say so.

[Leadfoot]

QuattroFun,

I don't know where you live but I would say that your opinion which I'm not saying is right or wrong is one usually presented by our American friends who usually prefer size over quality.

I think that most here aren't really worried what size of engine is under the hood as long as the desired results are met. As Porsche and Nissan have proved is that power it the most important thing above all else.

[The Pretender]

The Panamera will also get a 3.6 VR6 with ± 300 hp.

[QuattroFun]

On paper efficiency vs. overall feelgood - ah, the golden old age debate and very subjective of course with no rights or wrongs. Why does anybody - also outside America - buy e.g. a LP-560 when the GTR is objectively as good, much cheaper and more practical? I remember when I bought my S4 V8 in 2003 that the public debate was then about why anbody in their right mind would possibly buy an S4 when Evos and Imprezas were also 4WD, faster, more able on track, much cheaper, more tuneable, as practical and used less fuel...

[Leadfoot]

On paper efficiency vs. overall feelgood - ah, the golden old age debate and very subjective of course with no rights or wrongs. Why does anybody - also outside America - buy e.g. a LP-560 when the GTR is objectively as good, much cheaper and more practical? I remember when I bought my S4 V8 in 2003 that the public debate was then about why anbody in their right mind would possibly buy an S4 when Evos and Imprezas were also 4WD, faster, more able on track, much cheaper, more tuneable, as practical and used less fuel...

Not sure your Lp560 vs GTR is the right example, one IS a Lambo and costs nearly 3 times as much. A better debate is the B8 S4 vs B7 S4 and ask the question to those that have owned both if they felt short changed, personally I don't too many would feel that way. Point being that if the quality, performance and image is intact then the size of the engine has no bearing on anything.

[Bogdan]

It's all down to personal preferances: what would you prefer - RS5 with high rev V8 450 hp or RS5 with lets say 2.5 inline 5 turbo with 450 hp also? I would go for the first choice, although the TTRS is a great engine which I would love to own, but is an engine for that class, not for a GT. And I'm not from US.

Better example, with all this downsizing, in a few years you will be very happy with an R8 with a 1.2 TTTTFSI engine with 500 hp, just because it gets to 100 is 3. something. I think I made my point

[The Pretender]

http://log.autogespot.com/09-2009/audirs5/1.jpg
http://log.autogespot.com/09-2009/audirs5/2.jpg
http://log.autogespot.com/09-2009/audirs5/3.jpg
http://log.autogespot.com/09-2009/audirs5/4.jpg
http://log.autogespot.com/09-2009/audirs5/5.jpg

[The Pretender]

http://log.autogespot.com/09-2009/audirs5/6.jpg
http://log.autogespot.com/09-2009/audirs5/7.jpg
http://log.autogespot.com/09-2009/audirs5/8.jpg
http://log.autogespot.com/09-2009/audirs5/9.jpg

[LittleDevil]

Can't wait for that car :jlol:

[Ruergard]

Can't wait for that car :jlol:

Second that. :D

[The Pretender]

It will be a heavy boat.

[Lmg]

Second that. :D

Third that!:jlol:

[Damienr8]

Third that!:jlol:


Fourth That.

Thing looks SATANIC in all black...

[RXBG]

since they keep testing and testing and testing---- they must have changed the motor.

prob HO V6T? or V8 TT? any new sound vids?

[QuattroFun]

Nah, same HDZ V8 as planned all along I suspect - with all the testing they just want to make the RS5 really good and competitive after the lukewarm reception of the TT RS :0:

[RXBG]

95 hp and 15 of torque more wont be enough in a porker weighing 3900 lbs vs V8 S5.

[The Pretender]

Nah, same HDZ V8 as planned all along I suspect - with all the testing they just want to make the RS5 really good and competitive after the lukewarm reception of the TT RS :0:
The RS5 will also not get more then a lukewarm reception.
It will be a heavy pig with the wrong engine.
I would not want it for free on my driveway.
Beside that i don't like the design of it, it don't look right.

[RXBG]

The RS5 will also not get more then a lukewarm reception.
It will be a heavy pig with the wrong engine.
I would not want it for free on my driveway.
Beside that i don't like the design of it, it don't look right.

agreed. like the M3 it will fade rather quickly and remain warm for 2-3 yrs. the main problem is weight and relative lack of torque. for all its smoothness the DSG is not so magical in any kind of nonboosted engine. and cannot make up for the shortcomings of weight, weight, weight.

if audi is smart (i still hope) it will be a lower weight car with boost of some kind.

mildly modded V6T S5's will otherwise be handing RS5's their asses.

i hear some tuners are pulling 420 hp and 400 of torque easily from the 3.0T already. yikes. an updated RS4 engine will nary produce 460 hp and 350 of torque in a 150 lb heavier chassis wrapper.

[S6V10Avant]

Isn't the car one year delayed compared to earlier predictions? This tells me there is a change of engine. If not, the car is far from desirable for all of the above reasons..

[RXBG]

Isn't the car one year delayed compared to earlier predictions? This tells me there is a change of engine. If not, the car is far from desirable for all of the above reasons..

geneva 2010 is my guess. plenty of time to make the change.

[QuattroFun]

Well, I will not open up the neverending debate about which engine is best suited for the RS5 or indeed M3's relevance - however, I do suspect you underestimate the development time needed to complete package if you change the engine this late. Based on the old rollout schedule that Kreso or somebody published last year, the RS5 will come shortly after the S5 will be FL:d with customer rollout in summer 2010. This also means that the RS5 will remain in production for only 3-4 years.

[Lmg]

This also means that the RS5 will remain in production for only 3-4 years.

If the Quattro Sport version is given the green light, probably even less to avoid the two cars overlaping each other.

[The Pretender]

Next Gen M3 will loose his V8 and get a inline 6 twin turbo.

[bruce]

Ok guys. I'm currently an RS6 owner and was thinking the new RS5 would be a nice replacement. Now after the discussion above I'm not so sure. IF not the RS5, what am I getting???

[andreadebi]

Ok guys. I'm currently an RS6 owner and was thinking the new RS5 would be a nice replacement. Now after the discussion above I'm not so sure. IF not the RS5, what am I getting???

wait for new rs4 2011 or buy a panamera turbo...

[Leadfoot]

wait for new rs4 2011 or buy a panamera turbo...

Yeah, a used Panamera Turbo will probably be down 40% by then. :hihi:

[andreadebi]

Yeah, a used Panamera Turbo will probably be down 40% by then. :hihi:

hihihi :lovl:

[bruce]

Panamera doesn't do much for me.

[The Pretender]

The fuel cap will be very different compare to the other A5/S5's.

[HKS786]

The fuel cap will be very different compare to the other A5/S5's.

This is because of the fenders right? Any hints?

[The Pretender]

This is because of the fenders right? Any hints?
If, then they will be boxed Ur-quattro style.

[Ruergard]

If, then they will be boxed Ur-quattro style.

And thats's exactly what we want... Audi give us this!

[HKS786]

If, then they will be boxed Ur-quattro style.

I thought you said it will have RS4 style?

[The Pretender]

I thought you said it will have RS4 style?
That is what i have seen, but there is no need for relocate the fuel cap for that.
With Ur-quattro style boxed fenders it need to.

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/100-greatest/03-large/10-audi-urquattro.jpg

Another explanation is that we look at two different cars.
One is the RS5 and the other is the 30th anniversery A5/S5 Sport quattro.
The RS5 with common fenders and the 30th anniversery with boxed fenders.

[The Pretender]

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6097/2209200918040011g.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9345/2209200918060011.jpg

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9013/2209200918131.jpg

[LittleDevil]

Videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJfmQXDg8fc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibhxnMWR0ZM

[The Pretender]

Terrible engine sound :cry: prehistoric V8.

[roadrunner]

Terrible engine sound :cry: prehistoric V8.

What is it with you and the V8 bashing :vhmmm:

after a talk at lunch the other day with an Audi engineer responsible (without compromising him):

the engine will kick ass
quisha was right all along
the whole thing reminds me of the discussion pre RS4 B7 & RS6 C6 (bashing)
The RS5 will not gain much weight compared to the S5
There was some nice torque to be found in the engine

Why don't we calm down, relax and wait for the outcome. :cheers:

By the way: I happen to love the V8 sound, same with the R5 in the TT RS

[The Pretender]

By the way: I happen to love the V8 sound, same with the R5 in the TT RS
I don't like the V8 sound never have never will.
The R5 and V10 sound on the other hand i love.

[Audifan92]

Why would they put a V8??!!
im sorry, i think the idea is stupid.

it wont be good to tune, prob weight more and gas will suck

and people will say "oh, the rumble of the V8 and the growl and this and that"
f*** that, they will be pissed when this car will have problems against an E92 M3

why wont they used turbos!!!!
look at the RS6's

sorry for my little rant

[Lmg]

why wont they used turbos!!!!
look at the RS6's

Because a turbo'ed V8 would had too much weight to the front axle, compromising the car's handling.

[The Pretender]

Because a turbo'ed V8 would had too much weight to the front axle, compromising the car's handling.

That's why Audi should have chosen for the V6 3.0TFSI Supercharged engine.
A heavy (1700+ kg) V8 engined RS5 will handle as bad as the V10 RS6.
The V6 S5 is a much better car than a V8 S5.

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

one thing is for certain, the RS5 package suits the car. Otherwise it wont be released in its form. Everything is working together very well and it is able to give the competition a hard time. At least...

Qisha

[Leadfoot]

Dear Friends,

one thing is for certain, the RS5 package suits the car. Otherwise it wont be released in its form. Everything is working together very well and it is able to give the competition a hard time. At least...

Qisha

I think like everyone else here that we are hearing what you are saying but with a slight bit of fear that it will only just be as good as the likes of the M3 if at all. I know that it will be both quicker in acceleration and no doubt on the track too but seeing how much better the S4 feels with it's V6 compared to that of the S5 with it's V8 we all feel that though it may be very good it could have been so much better with a smaller engine.

I suppose I'm picking up on your final comments of 'at least ...' and possibly reading it wrong.

Any chance on explaining things a bit better.

[Qisha]

Dear Leadfoot,

take it with a little bit of sarcasm. :)

Seriously, you got to keep up the faith with the quattro GmbH Engineers. Some questions answer themself. How did all RS cars perform compared to their designated rivals? Does it make sense for manufacturer to release a car that is not up to the competition or beyond? Keep in mind that not the engine alone sets the pace but the whole package.

Qisha

[QuattroFun]

Dear Leadfoot,

take it with a little bit of sarcasm. :)

Seriously, you got to keep up the faith with the quattro GmbH Engineers. Some questions answer themself. How did all RS cars perform compared to their designated rivals? Does it make sense for manufacturer to release a car that is not up to the competition or beyond? Keep in mind that not the engine alone sets the pace but the whole package.

Qisha

Excellent - very much looking forward to TRADE UP again from the M3 - which contrary to some peoples claim on this broad is fantastic for the money (80% of the R8 V8 especially with M DCT at 60% of the money) - and to return to the happy four ring family! :0:

[The Pretender]

Seriously, you got to keep up the faith with the quattro GmbH Engineers.
If the TT RS is a bench mark i think they lost it.
The TT RS weigh more then a TT 3.2 quattro with evidently a heavier cast iron VR6 engine. :vhmmm:
The 4wd is nothing special IMHO and not up to RS level.
The only good thing about it is the 2.5TFSI engine.

The Nissan GT-R look day by day more interesting.

A R8 V10 5.2 FSI is out of reach money wise and i hate V8 engines, therefore the R8 V8 is no option.

[Leadfoot]

Dear Leadfoot,

take it with a little bit of sarcasm. :)

Seriously, you got to keep up the faith with the quattro GmbH Engineers. Some questions answer themself. How did all RS cars perform compared to their designated rivals? Does it make sense for manufacturer to release a car that is not up to the competition or beyond? Keep in mind that not the engine alone sets the pace but the whole package.

Qisha

I hope my comments didn't come across all negative because that wasn't what I mean, I was only trying to explain why so many are struggling to understand the decision to keep it a V8.

I know that it's the whole package that makes everything gel, it's one of the biggest complaints that the TT/RS has received because it's engine is so overpowering compared to the rest of it, hopefully quattro makes the RS5 gels perfectly this time.

[KresoF1]

Dear Leadfoot,

take it with a little bit of sarcasm. :)

Seriously, you got to keep up the faith with the quattro GmbH Engineers. Some questions answer themself. How did all RS cars perform compared to their designated rivals? Does it make sense for manufacturer to release a car that is not up to the competition or beyond? Keep in mind that not the engine alone sets the pace but the whole package.

Qisha

Qisha,
I have full faith in quattro GmbH.

RS5 will have 4.2 HDZ engine, very sporty 7speed S Tronic, advanced AWD with sport diff, powerfull brakes(Ceramics option), Advanced suspesnion setup(:hahahehe:) etc. Look wise I like it also. Only thing that I would like is 300km/h option instead of 280km/h that quattro GmbH will likely offer...

[Andyuk911]

after a talk at lunch the other day with an Audi engineer responsible (without compromising him):




Can you ask him to pull his finger out to design a LARGE catch can so not so much oil ends up in the intake and thus carboning up the valves ... takes about 4k miles for the B7 RS4 to have nasty deposits.

[S6V10Avant]

The RS5 needs a 3.0 TFSI with 450 hp and 550 Nm of torque. Such figures should not be any problem to achieve. A NA 4.2 V8 will be a huge disappointment and will force me to go for another maker.

[KresoF1]

The RS5 needs a 3.0 TFSI with 450 hp and 550 Nm of torque. Such figures should not be any problem to achieve. A NA 4.2 V8 will be a huge disappointment and will force me to go for another maker.

Then you will have to go for different Brand.

BTW, 2995ccm V6 with 450ps and 550Nm means at least 1.4bar biturbo, special intercoolers, special coolong system to deal with huge amount of heat that this kind of engine can produce. Engine bay of RS5 is not that big...

It seems to me that most members here have NO faith any more in quattro GmbH. What a pitty...

[itisme]

It seems to me that most members here have NO faith any more in quattro GmbH. What a pitty...

Wouldn't say so... for me the TT RS is one hell of a car to dream of... in several tests its better then the Z4 s35i - I think, that's pretty good...

The RS models of current generation might not fit to you, but a lot buy and enjoy their RS's...

If a Nissan GT-R fits to you very well you can feel free to buy one. Personally performance figures compared to another competitor aren't everything. I love the build quality, the looks, the sound etc.
I never took a car for comparison on a track. But I often enjoyed cars by driving twisty mountain roads etc.

[LittleDevil]

Guys, you can always take S4, S5 cabrio or wait a little bit that S5 coupe get V6T engine, go to MTM and you have 430PS, 515Nm torque or ABT 435ps, 520Nm of torque or different Brand like KresoF1 said!

I also think that RS5 will be really nice package, RS body kit, suspension, sport diff, brakes (ceramics)....etc
Matte black also looks really nice to me. :jlol:

[S6V10Avant]

Then you will have to go for different Brand.

BTW, 2995ccm V6 with 450ps and 550Nm means at least 1.4bar biturbo, special intercoolers, special coolong system to deal with huge amount of heat that this kind of engine can produce. Engine bay of RS5 is not that big...

It seems to me that most members here have NO faith any more in quattro GmbH. What a pitty...

Faith does not help when Audi has not delivered on the latest RS cars.. I was a potential RS6 customer, but cancelled my order after test driving, both on road and on a test track. If Audi is unable to offer a 3.0 TFSI with 450 hp and 550 Nm of torque they fail to live up to their "Vorsprung dur.." slogan in my view. A NA 4.2 V8 with 450 hp is prehistoric as "pretender" nicely put it. It should be possible to overcome the small hurdles of a 3.0 TFSI package, especially for a RS car.

In my view the TT RS fails to deliver, mainly due to its drive train (haldex). It feels terrible on and over the limit (especially in the wet, slipery and mixed surfaces).

.. and I am historically Audi biased, mainly due to its rallying heritage.. (4wd + turbo)

[Leadfoot]

It seems to me that most members here have NO faith any more in quattro GmbH. What a pitty...

I don't see how it's a lack of faith here, it's just hinting at a preference to having it use either a turbo or supercharge unit instead of the bigger V8.

Everyone here including myself had very high hopes for the TT/RS but it didn't receive the kind of press remarks I was expecting and after driving it I can see why. It's devilishly quick, amazingly so for such a small engine but it lacked any of the adjustment in throttle input that even the S4 is capable of, and as such it reminded me more of a TT/S than a car that came from quattro GmbH.

Standards were set pretty high with the RS4 and R8 but slipped back a bit with the RS6 which is understandable given the type of car it was and the customer that would consider one, even the S4 was a dramatic improvement over the old model but the RS version of the TT only brought more speed and grip with none of the finesse or balance that should have been expected.

If Qisha says it's a well balanced package that will give stiff competition to it's rivals I can only assume that it's improved over the RS4 but in those comments I don't get the feeling that it's a whoo car. It will have to be priced right this time round, not the huge difference seen between the RS6 and it's main rival, the M5. Anything more than £52~53K and it will be too dear in my opinion.

[bruce]

Ok, talk talk talk.....

When can I buy an RS5??

:rs6kiss:

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

it is not going to be a much longer wait time...

7967 AAO :cool2:

I am not a friend of getting carried away but that thing IS running, oh yeah. :incar:

Qisha

[andreadebi]

Dear Friends,

it is not going to be a much longer wait time...

7967 AAO :cool2:

I am not a friend of getting carried away but that thing IS running, oh yeah. :incar:

Qisha


audi order code?

[Erik]

I shall test drive before I put down my verdict. :D

[Leadfoot]

Qisha, you are sounding very up beat about the RS5, is this product closer in nature to the R8 meaning it's a true driver's car or just that it's very quick and capable?

The discuss on the RS5 got sort of side tracked with the debate on engines best suited to the job. Is this car much quicker than the old RS4 or is it's additional speed more from the rate it can cover ground and take the corners?

[KresoF1]

Dear Friends,

it is not going to be a much longer wait time...

7967 AAO :cool2:

I am not a friend of getting carried away but that thing IS running, oh yeah. :incar:

Qisha

7967 HSN

AAO TSN

Already? That means it should be introduced this year...

[artur777]

7967 HSN

AAO TSN

Already? That means it should be introduced this year...

KresoF1, give us some clues to 7967 AAO - who do you know the meaning?

[LittleDevil]

HSN = Herstellerschlüsselnummer. TSN = Typschlüsselnummer.

But i don't know what that is.

[RXBG]

i expect LA in december.

the RS4 was an excellent car with phenomenal handling for its weight and front bias. the RS5 will be that much better- but still a GT, as in maserati gran turismo, and not so much hardcore boy racer like the E90 M3. soooo, i expect it will be a great handling car, not an elise or an R8 or GTR, priced much more aggressively than the old RS4 and so, via this accessibility and yet with improved performance over the RS4 it shall be a great buy.

we will all wish it had a turbo motor, lighter weight and yada yada yada, but it will still win the comparos. and that, my friends, at the end of the day, is what matters most----

:cool2:

[bruce]

HSN = Herstellerschlüsselnummer. TSN = Typschlüsselnummer.

But i don't know what that is.


Herstellerschlüsselnummer = Manufacturer key number


Typschlüsselnummer = Type key number

At least according to the translator I used :hihi:

[Leadfoot]

Maybe Kreso or Qisha could confirm this but last I heard the RS5 will be available in Europe from Spring '10. If it comes before that, happy days. :jlol:

[LittleDevil]

@KresoF1 or Qisha: RS5 will be 6speed Manual gearbox and S-tronic7 or only S-tronic7?

Thanks

[KresoF1]

@KresoF1 or Qisha: RS5 will be 6speed Manual gearbox and S-tronic7 or only S-tronic7?

Thanks

First cars only 7 speed S Tronic. Manual maybe later...

[artur777]

Kreso F1,

what will be the acceleration 0-200 km/h for RS5, in your expectations?
M3 DCT is 15,5 secs average
M6 is 13,5 secs average

Interesting to understand where will the RS5 be...

[Ritchy]

Thanks for the latest news !

And what about the engine ?

[Lmg]

Thanks for the latest news !

And what about the engine ?

HDZ V8 engine with 450 ps and 460 Nm.

[KresoF1]

Kreso F1,

what will be the acceleration 0-200 km/h for RS5, in your expectations?
M3 DCT is 15,5 secs average
M6 is 13,5 secs average

Interesting to understand where will the RS5 be...

It should be quicker then M3 DCT and slower then M6.

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

the main rivals are beaten performance wise-, als well as on paper. Including Ringtime and peak revs for example. :revs:

Qisha

[Lmg]

Dear Friends,

the main rivals are beaten performance wise-, als well as on paper. Including Ringtime and peak revs for example. :revs:

Qisha

Interesting. To the RS5 to beat its rivals in the Ring is not a big surprise, but about the engine: will it rev to 8700 rpm, live the V10, or even more?

[KresoF1]

Dear Friends,

the main rivals are beaten performance wise-, als well as on paper. Including Ringtime and peak revs for example. :revs:

Qisha

Qisha,

RS5 official intro this year or early next year?

Thanks.

[RXBG]

well, if the peak revs are 9000 RPM this thing will scream like a banshee. def NA. if it revs even faster than the R8 engine then even better. but i am not sure how the DSG would fit into this since they have better accel effect with a high torque charged engine. i guess it is because you can keep your hands on the wheel and just guide the thing. old RS4 could do ring in almost 7:58 (Stippler) flat. if this breaks the 7:50 min barrier i will be very happy.

now if someone could just produce a sub 7:40 with the R8 5.2 i would be even happier.

[KresoF1]

RXBG,

You forget that HvS time with R8 V10 is 7.44min...

[Lmg]

I'm expecting the RS5 to achieve a ring time of 7.55~7.58 in magazine tests and about 7.48 with Frank Stippler driving it.

Am i'm being too optimistic or realistic?

[The Pretender]

I'm expecting the RS5 to achieve a ring time of 7.55~7.58 in magazine tests and about 7.48 with Frank Stippler driving it.

Am i'm being too optimistic or realistic?
Too optimistic.
If it even can come close to 8.00 min.

[Mockenrue]

Just seen these:

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj111/puhpuhpuhpuhpuh/image_04.jpg
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj111/puhpuhpuhpuhpuh/image_03.jpg
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj111/puhpuhpuhpuhpuh/image_02.jpg
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj111/puhpuhpuhpuhpuh/image_01.jpg

[Lmg]

Repost (http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19432)...


...but always a pleasure to view them again.:cheers:

[artur777]

M3 Ring time is 8-04
M6 Ring time is 8-09

So RS5 will be about 8 mins dead.

[artur777]

Dear Friends,

the main rivals are beaten performance wise-, als well as on paper. Including Ringtime and peak revs for example. :revs:

Qisha

Qisha, could M6 be main rival of RS5? It's going to be faster anyway - V10 against V8...
You mean M3 DCT as the main rival, am I right?

[RXBG]

Too optimistic.
If it even can come close to 8.00 min.

as i noted- RS4 did under 8:00 already. of course it will be under 8:00.

[Ruergard]

as i noted- RS4 did under 8:00 already. of course it will be under 8:00.

In Audi tests yes. But in Sportauto it didn't. I'm sure Audi will get it under 8 minutes but Sportauto is a different story though.

But I hope this thing will surprise me. :D

[andreadebi]

any info about the end of press-embargo on RS5?

[tailpipe]

Kreso,

Will you be trading in your R8 V8 for an RS5 or an R8 V10?

[Lmg]

This pic was posted in a thread in Fourtitude (http://forums.fourtitude.com/zerothread?id=4595022).

Photoshop or the real thing?

[andreadebi]

This pic was posted in a thread in Fourtitude (http://forums.fourtitude.com/zerothread?id=4595022).

Photoshop or the real thing?

wow, the rear wheel arch...so wide :)

[Mockenrue]

I saw it earlier this morning and thought it might be a teaser image.

[Lmg]

I saw it earlier this morning and thought it might be a teaser image.

If that is the case, could this mean that there's the possibility of the RS5 being revealed in the Tokyo Motor Show? Or is it still too early?

[RXBG]

If that is the case, could this mean that there's the possibility of the RS5 being revealed in the Tokyo Motor Show? Or is it still too early?

my gut tells me audi has it in store for Dec in LA. this is a big market and audi would love to take sales away from the M3.

[crespo]

YUMMY!

sure hope that's the official teaser

[Qisha]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/Ss1Y28m-J3I/AAAAAAACIeA/yEv-n9axOSI/s1600/2010-Audi-RS5-Coupe-2.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/Ss1Y3fFRUdI/AAAAAAACIeI/4SfIkMeFquI/s1600/2010-Audi-RS5-Coupe-3.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/Ss1Y4aQZboI/AAAAAAACIeg/ms0nAj-Zj6c/s1600/2010-Audi-RS5-Coupe-6.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/Ss1Y3hKGpgI/AAAAAAACIeQ/iOQ0-NYb9j4/s1600/2010-Audi-RS5-Coupe-4.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/Ss1Y2r2uicI/AAAAAAACId4/Jn7I5qfgVfg/s1600/2010-Audi-RS5-Coupe-1.jpg

[iconcls]

OK Q., tell me those are intercoolers up front or tell Audi to keep it.

[KresoF1]

Kreso,

Will you be trading in your R8 V8 for an RS5 or an R8 V10?

R8 V8 already sold. It current market situations good offer is something that you can not skip.

R8 V10 or R8 V10 Spyder? I was very tempted but, ultimately after some thinking decision is NO. If sportscar then only Ferrari 458 Italia.

RS5? Probably...

BTW, little rumor for you only-heard that Golf R with DSG is actually totally awsome.

[KresoF1]

OK Q., tell me those are intercoolers up front or tell Audi to keep it.

RS5 engine is 4.2 HDZ FSI. Period. NA engine.

So, Audi will keep it...:hihi: Or sell it to me for example...:hahahehe:

[Ruergard]

This thing will be a looker with the big L. Can't wait to get all that extra plastic of it, those rear arches will be very interesting! :D

[crespo]

DSG! (if there was ever any doubt)

[AndyBG]

Will RS 5 be a facelift A5, like C6 RS 6 was with A6...?

[LittleDevil]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/Ss1Y2r2uicI/AAAAAAACId4/Jn7I5qfgVfg/s1600/2010-Audi-RS5-Coupe-1.jpg

Is it manual?

[Lmg]

Is it manual?

Or a S-tronic gearknob somewhat similar to the one in the TT-S:

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee239/Dark_and_Divine/0801_09_1024x7682B2009_audi_TTS2Bin.jpg

[crespo]

aluminum shift paddles on steering wheel point to s-tronic

[tailpipe]

Nice pictures. This is undoubtedly a better looking car than the M3. In fact, if it goes half as well as it looks, then I'd like to see it take-on an Aston-Martin V8 Vantage.

What's with the petrol cap? it seems as if it may be different from the standard one.

[Lmg]

What's with the petrol cap? it seems as if it may be different from the standard one.

Maybe they had to relocate it because of the rear fender.

[KresoF1]

Nice pictures. This is undoubtedly a better looking car than the M3. In fact, if it goes half as well as it looks, then I'd like to see it take-on an Aston-Martin V8 Vantage.

What's with the petrol cap? it seems as if it may be different from the standard one.

Fuel cap will be something a la fuel cap on R8 or TTs according to my source.

[tailpipe]

R8 V8 already sold. It current market situations good offer is something that you can not skip.

R8 V10 or R8 V10 Spyder? I was very tempted but, ultimately after some thinking decision is NO. If sportscar then only Ferrari 458 Italia.

RS5? Probably...

BTW, little rumor for you only-heard that Golf R with DSG is actually totally awsome.

I agree with you: the 458 Italia is flat-out gorgeous. Unfortunately, it will have to wait until i win the UK's National Lottery.

Ten years ago, I would have bought this RS5 without question (I used to own an M3). Now, with 3 kids, i need more space so the B6 A4 and then B7 RS4 were logical choices. The thing about the current RS4 was the size of its petrol tank and consumption, which could mean stopping very regularly on trips between London, Bologna and Gstaad, which i make often. Even so it was a magnificent beast on winter roads.

I like the new S4 very much, but really would prefer a V8. So what to get as i wait (impatiently) for the next RS4?

New 4-door Golf GTI is terrific in every way, but i want to change it for a 4-wheel drive Golf R. Very pleased to hear the DSG one drives well.

Going back to the RS5, it is clearly going to be a very impressive car. Qisha's enthusiasm reveals that Audi has put as much love into it as it did the last RS4. It's going to be a classic. I just hope environmental pressure doesn't stop Audi building cars like this.

[LittleDevil]

More pics:

http://www.autogespot.com/files/autogespot/files/09_10_2009/c214748364809102009124350_1.jpg

http://www.autogespot.com/files/autogespot/files/09_10_2009/c214748364809102009124350_2.jpg

http://www.autogespot.com/files/autogespot/files/09_10_2009/c214748364809102009124350_3.jpg

http://www.autogespot.com/files/autogespot/files/09_10_2009/c214748364809102009124350_4.jpg

http://www.autogespot.com/files/autogespot/files/09_10_2009/c214748364809102009124350_5.jpg

[Lmg]

Could you please post a link to the article itself?

I can't see the images and reloading the page is not working for me.

[itisme]

Could you please post a link to the article itself?

I can't see the images and reloading the page is not working for me.

close all our browser windows that include these pictures, and visit again the pages after you have delated your Cache folder on your Mac

similar on PC of course... must work then...


here is the link to the pics:
http://www.autogespot.com/nl/viewimages.php?id=c214748364809102009124350

[Lmg]

close all our browser windows that include these pictures, and visit again the pages after you have delated your Cache folder on your Mac

similar on PC of course... must work then...


here is the link to the pics:
http://www.autogespot.com/nl/viewimages.php?id=c214748364809102009124350

I can see them now!

Thanks! :)

[Bobbersmill]

The wheels look inset too much! I wonder if this is because the arch disguises are a little oversized? I know the S5 suffers terribly with this so I hope the RS5 wont inherit it?

[The Pretender]

I think the RS5 will not be wider then the S5 only will have different shaped fenders.

[KresoF1]

I think the RS5 will not be wider then the S5 only will have different shaped fenders.

It is wider. Almost all specs are know. BUT, I can not post it here-embargo for some period of time.

[andreadebi]

It is wider. Almost all specs are know. BUT, I can not post it here-embargo for some period of time.

when is the end of press-embargo? next week?

[KresoF1]

when is the end of press-embargo? next week?

NO, end of November 2009.

[Lmg]

NO, end of November 2009.

So that means the RS5 will debut in the LA Auto Show, as RXBG predicted?

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

the RS5 has its final product level and the market introduction quote production will start by the end of this month.

The year is not over... debut wise. Whatever that means. :hihi:

Qisha

PS: of course the car will have a wider stand. :cool2:

[KresoF1]

The year is not over... debut wise. Whatever that means. :hihi:

Qisha

PS: of course the car will have a wider stand. :cool2:

Essen?

My Motorpresse friend claims that RS5 will be introduced this year for sure. Start of sales Q1 2010.

[Andyuk911]

I would love a pm on what engine ........v8 turbo or not ..:0:

[Lmg]

I would love a pm on what engine ........v8 turbo or not ..:0:

No, it's a N/A high revving V8 with 450 PS/460 Nm.

[KresoF1]

I would love a pm on what engine ........v8 turbo or not ..:0:

4163ccm HDZ FSI 331kw

[Andyuk911]

Thanks guys

[AndyBG]

Can someone give the weight numbers for the future RS 5, please...!

THX !

[artur777]

KresoF1,

will it be faster than C63 AMG?

[artur777]

Dear Friends,

the RS5 has its final product level and the market introduction quote production will start by the end of this month.

The year is not over... debut wise. Whatever that means. :hihi:

Qisha

PS: of course the car will have a wider stand. :cool2:

Qisha, thanks for the info!
I hope we see it in December already...

[Lmg]

Qisha, thanks for the info!
I hope we see it in December already...

It would be a nice christmas gift for the eyes!:jlol:

[The Pretender]

Can someone give the weight numbers for the future RS 5, please...!

THX !

1700+ Kg.

[AndyBG]

1700+ Kg.

That's heavy !

Is there any chance that Audis will be little bit ''slimer'' in the future...?

[The Pretender]

That's heavy !

Is there any chance that Audis will be little bit ''slimer'' in the future...?

Yes.

http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publish/Features/article_5321.shtml

[Lmg]

1700+ Kg.

Dry weight, Curb weight or Curb weight + driver?

[The Pretender]

Dry weight, Curb weight or Curb weight + driver?

Real world, weight on the road.

[youry]

rs4 v8 was claimes at 1625 or 1630 Kg but in reality had 1720/1730 Kgs

[KresoF1]

KresoF1,

will it be faster than C63 AMG?

On every track in the world? YES.

In straight line? We will see...

On wet windy road? YES.

[Ritchy]

Around me, every one has boosted its C63 up to a minimum of 525HP. It's really easy.

So with 450HP (surely around 420-430 in real), or with a boost (450HP), i'm afraid the RS5 will be slower than any C63 in dry straight line...

[The Pretender]

Around me, every one has boosted its C63 up to a minimum of 525HP. It's really easy.

So with 450HP (surely around 420-430 in real), or with a boost (450HP), i'm afraid the RS5 will be slower than any C63 in dry straight line...

450 is the max of the 4.2 engine, you can not compare it with a 6.2 that do up to 514 in a CLS.
With the same kind of tune as the RS5 engine it will produce up to 664 hp.

[Ritchy]

I knew that, only via electronik, a friend of mine has boosted its C63 up to 580HP (brabus-3900euros). The gear speed shifting has also been modified.

[The Pretender]

In every way you look at it, the RS5 will be nothing special compare to a C63.

[Ritchy]

Except in term of Elegance....

[KresoF1]

In every way you look at it, the RS5 will be nothing special compare to a C63.

And you drove so you know it?:vhmmm:

NO! Of course you did not. You are just making assumption based on your OWN state of mind.

Just because non of your prediciton in terms of future Audi models become a reality does not mean that some other Audi enthusiasts will like or even love new RS5.

...also this-IMHO Audi will not produce a car for you in some distant future(very light with manual gearbox and R5 TSI with 400ps).

[Leadfoot]

In every way you look at it, the RS5 will be nothing special compare to a C63.

Are you meaning the whole car or simply the two engines?

I don't agree with you on either count but if it's solely the engines then you must be basing your opinion on output alone because on most other things the 4.2 far exceeds the C63, like hp/litre and rev range, it will probably be even more economical too.

One thing that is holding the C63 back from being a great car is it's gearbox, one area that the S/Tronic driven RS5 will be exceptional. By all accounts the RS5 well be amazing and when Audi adopt their light weight philosiphy then future RS models will be the only car worth considering.

Imagine an RS5 with the weight of a TT/S and the perfect weight over each axle for something equipped with a quattro that can shift it's power fully in either direction and from side to side on either axle.

One can only but dream. :love2:

[The Pretender]

Imagine an RS5 with the weight of a TT/S and the perfect weight over each axle for something equipped with a quattro that can shift it's power fully in either direction and from side to side on either axle.

One can only but dream. :love2:
Future dreams, this RS5 will be a heavy dog.

[Leadfoot]

Future dreams, this RS5 will be a heavy dog.

Probably you will be right but you never can tell.

[KresoF1]

Probably you will be right but you never can tell.

Weight of new RS5 is on the same level as S5 V8 Coupe.

Acceleration wise on the same level as R8 V8(or even little bit faster).

Track wise faster then M3 MDCT, C63, TT RS etc.

NOT enough? In that case my advice is Porsche 997.2 Turbo PDK-awsome car indeed as you will see in forthcomng tests in next few weeks.

[Lmg]

Weight of new RS5 is on the same level as S5 V8 Coupe.

Acceleration wise on the same level as R8 V8(or even little bit faster).

Track wise faster then M3 MDCT, C63, TT RS etc.

Thanks for the info!

So, this means that the RS5's curb weight will be around 1640 kg?

[The Pretender]

Thanks for the info!

So, this means that the RS5's curb weight will be around 1640 kg?

And in the real world that means 1700+.

btw, no chance the RS5 will be faster then the TT RS.

[Lmg]

And in the real world that means 1700+..

Yes, with driver included, it will be around 1715 kg. Still lighter than the C 63 AMG, for instance.


btw, no chance the RS5 will be faster then the TT RS.

What makes you so sure of this?

[Leadfoot]

And in the real world that means 1700+.

btw, no chance the RS5 will be faster then the TT RS.

Are we talking standard car to standard car or is this all about tuning ability because I doubt the 340hp TT/RS would be capable of out running the 450hp RS5.

[RXBG]

C63 will be faster in the straight. quattro drivetrain loss is the reason. figure 10% hp loss via quattro. therefore it would need about 500 hp to overcome the difference. torque is also another thing, and the C63 will have the RS5 beat there. in the handling dept the RS5 will, i expect, hand the C63 its ass- on any track- since the RS4 was already neck and neck with the C63 in that dept.

if you want a straight line speed beating car just get a Z06 at that price range. then you'll be happy- till you hit the wall going around a curve trying to keep up with a car that can turn.

ps- it is so sad to these poor M5's and M6's and E63's on the track. they are impressive and intimidating at the start line. but when the going gets tough they look like pussycats in the rear view mirror.

- when the going gets tough, the tough get quattro.

[Leadfoot]

RXBG,

This assumption all depends on how the RS5 has it's S/Tronic geared. Assuming it's a proper 7 speed with 7th being the gear to reach the possible 300km/h and it requiring at least 6th to reach the 250km/h that would mean each of it's gears were higher than the C63's 7sp automatic which I think can reach 250km/h in 5th.

Next there is the transmission lose differences, S/Tronic should provide less lose than the automatic, don't know if it would counteract the lose due to quattro but it must close the gap a bit. Then there's slight difference in weight.

All in all I think if the race started from the traffic lights then the RS5 will probably win right up to the magic mile marker but on a rolling start it would be very very close indeed.

[RXBG]

Leadfoot,

They'd have to gear the DSG to shift right at the top of the torque curve for each gear, rather than redline. doing so would negate the point of the high rev limit in the first place. Audi put its eggs in the hp basket not the torque one in this case. Which is why DSG's are most useful in high hp charged engines.

I never said tranny losses would be the problem. The problem is in the drivetrain- quattro. Which is not really a problem unles all you are interested in is straight line accel. I don't think the DSG will compensate for that in any significant way. Again, DSG's (and slushboxes) come in handy in straight line accel in charged engines mainly- i.e. GTR, 997 TT. the DSG vs manual numbers are very similar in cars like the regular carrera and the M3 for instance.

If audi counteracts the quattro loss by decreasing weight in this car then maybe it will be neck and neck with the C63 in a straight line from a roll. Most regular joes will win in the RS5 anyway because stoplights races start from a stop- and there quattro has you.

[KresoF1]

They'd have to gear the DSG to shift right at the top of the torque curve for each gear, rather than redline. doing so would negate the point of the high rev limit in the first place. Audi put its eggs in the hp basket not the torque one in this case. Which is why DSG's are most useful in high hp charged engines.



Hmm... Not really...

997.2 Carrera S PDK: you have 6 shifting programms in total. 3 for auto use and 3 for manual use. In fastest Sport Plus programm in D(auto) mode PDK is shifting at rev limiter.

Ferrari California: Its DCT is basically doing the same thing in fastest mode as PDK. Just, in Ferrari case seventh gear is used for top speed and overall gearing is used for maximall performance.

Just, some might argue that in fact California is heavy pig and the only way to use its power and torque properly is with relatively short overall gearing of its DCT.
997.2 Carrera S engine is having good torque curve and much lower weight to schlepp so, it could use little bit longer overall gearing in PDK.

New Ferrari 458 Italia DCT is close relative to California unit and is using even more agressive gearing. Overall torque for 458 engine is world record for NA engines...

RS5 S Tronic?

It will be very interesting to see what approach quattro GmbH choose... BUT, my money is on the same way as Porsche....

[RXBG]

Hmm... Not really...

997.2 Carrera S PDK: you have 6 shifting programms in total. 3 for auto use and 3 for manual use. In fastest Sport Plus programm in D(auto) mode PDK is shifting at rev limiter.



i'd have to see the torque band on the porsche engine. it's one thing to rev through 6500 rpm (911) and a whole other to rev through 9000 rpm for every gear change- unless the engine can rev like a F1 car (a perfect example of a low torque engine being maximized through extremely fast shifting to overcome the torque deficit- via the exploitation of horsepower). if the torque is 330 in the RS5 (as i expect) and it peaks at 4500-6500 but revs to 9000 RPM (as has been suggested) it wont make much difference.

also, the percent of the time the max torque is accessible in the porsche (peaks at 4,400 rpm) relative to its rev limit is likely much higher than in the RS5. unless this engine revs like the R8 V10's i don't see much point in making it rev to redline each time unless computer models say it is faster. i am no engineer. regardless of what it does i still think straight line speed will not be its forte (not that it will be slow by any strectch of the imagination).

the F car has more torque and revs like a banshee. but can't compare well because there is no manual version to compare to.

[KresoF1]

i'd have to see the torque band on the porsche engine. it's one thing to rev through 6500 rpm (911) and a whole other to rev through 9000 rpm for every gear change- unless the engine can rev like a F1 car (a perfect example of a low torque engine being maximized through extremely fast shifting to overcome the torque deficit- via the exploitation of horsepower). if the torque is 330 in the RS5 (as i expect) and it peaks at 4500-6500 but revs to 9000 RPM (as has been suggested) it wont make much difference.

also, the percent of the time the max torque is accessible in the porsche (peaks at 4,400 rpm) relative to its rev limit is likely much higher than in the RS5. unless this engine revs like the R8 V10's i don't see much point in making it rev to redline each time unless computer models say it is faster. i am no engineer. regardless of what it does i still think straight line speed will not be its forte (not that it will be slow by any strectch of the imagination).

the F car has more torque and revs like a banshee. but can't compare well because there is no manual version to compare to.

Just one correction-max revs on 997.2 CS engine is 7400rpm.

BTW, after 200km/h power is what matters, NOT turque or even aerodynamics.

Little example-try to overtake new Cayenne Turbo S with your R8 V8 at 250km/h... I did... And I could not. Cayenne Turbo S driver pressed the throttle and belive it or not truck was two car lenghts in front of me.

[RXBG]

Just one correction-max revs on 997.2 CS engine is 7400rpm.

BTW, after 200km/h power is what matters, NOT turque or even aerodynamics.

Little example-try to overtake new Cayenne Turbo S with your R8 V8 at 250km/h... I did... And I could not. Cayenne Turbo S driver pressed the throttle and belive it or not truck was two car lenghts in front of me.


i was referring to the non S carrera, but 1200 rpms might split the difference.

re: the example- that's why i ordered the V10 :hihi:

[KresoF1]

re: the example- that's why i ordered the V10 :hihi:

I know.

BUT, against 997.2 Turbo PDK even R8 V10 do not have any chance at all in straight line at any speed.

BTW, forthcoming Sport Auto test will also show that 997.2 Turbo PDK is faster on both Hockenheim and Nordschleife then R8 V10(be it manual or R Tronic).

[artur777]

Just one correction-max revs on 997.2 CS engine is 7400rpm.

BTW, after 200km/h power is what matters, NOT turque or even aerodynamics.

Little example-try to overtake new Cayenne Turbo S with your R8 V8 at 250km/h... I did... And I could not. Cayenne Turbo S driver pressed the throttle and belive it or not truck was two car lenghts in front of me.

Power in relation to weight - that means. Or not?

[KK265]

Little example-try to overtake new Cayenne Turbo S with your R8 V8 at 250km/h... I did... And I could not. Cayenne Turbo S driver pressed the throttle and belive it or not truck was two car lenghts in front of me.
Until what kilometres?Your car reaches 301 km/h..

[RXBG]

Weight of new RS5 is on the same level as S5 V8 Coupe.

Acceleration wise on the same level as R8 V8(or even little bit faster).



whoa nellie. whoa there!

in no way will an awd car that weighs at least 300 lbs more than a V8 R8 and makes less than 10% more power and torque out accelerate the R8. DSG or not.

it will be faster than the TT RS.

[KresoF1]

Power in relation to weight - that means. Or not?

In straight line on 400m yes.

On autobahn after 200km/h definitely NOT. Here power is only thing that really matters. Gearbox ratios are important as well.

[KresoF1]

Until what kilometres?Your car reaches 301 km/h..

"Race" was between 250km/h till 280km/h and Cayenne Turbo S was at first about 2 car lenghts faster. At 280km/h(and more) I was getting closer to him and eventually at 295km/h I overtake him. Just, I needed about 5km or more of autobahn to do so. Also, R8 V8 is not very fast after 260km/h, you need a lot of time to reach 300km/h and more...

[KresoF1]

whoa nellie. whoa there!

in no way will an awd car that weighs at least 300 lbs more than a V8 R8 and makes less than 10% more power and torque out accelerate the R8. DSG or not.

it will be faster than the TT RS.

Hmm... I think that you will have to except the fact that RS5 will be faster in 0-200km/h then R8 V8. Yes, that fact is IMO hard to except.

BTW, fastest R8 V8(manual) measured by German magazines reached 200km/h in 15.1s(tested by AB Sports Car Edition). Various other examples were between 15.8s-17.2s

Fastest R8 V10 was measured at 12.3s. At least it meant Audi factory claim which for R8 V8 is unfortunately not true.

Since M3 MDCT is as fast in straight line as R8 V8 we can assume that RS5 will be faster then both.

[andreadebi]

I know.

BUT, against 997.2 Turbo PDK even R8 V10 do not have any chance at all in straight line at any speed.

BTW, forthcoming Sport Auto test will also show that 997.2 Turbo PDK is faster on both Hockenheim and Nordschleife then R8 V10(be it manual or R Tronic).

what a big improvement by Porsche for 997 Turbo !


incredible the launch at the end of this video...what a traction and what a beast!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU57WRBb3pI&feature=player_embedded

and fab drifting too ;)

http://www.autobild.de/autobild-tv/?clip_id=1638

[audi_ch]

yes r8v10 is slow compaired to the 997 turbo mk2 with pdk.

Audi missed a big thing with not putting the pdk into the r8...

[Leadfoot]

yes r8v10 is slow compaired to the 997 turbo mk2 with pdk.

Audi missed a big thing with not putting the pdk into the r8...

Maybe the tie-up between the brands will be more fruitful in the future. ;)

P.S.

I'm curious how the 997 turbo Mk2 compares to the more powerful LP560/4. Maybe all the R8 needed was the full beans.

[RXBG]

Hmm... I think that you will have to except the fact that RS5 will be faster in 0-200km/h then R8 V8. Yes, that fact is IMO hard to except.

Since M3 MDCT is as fast in straight line as R8 V8 we can assume that RS5 will be faster then both.

i'll believe this when i see it. post some same day mag accel times for the M3 and R8 to prove it.

if it is faster i am certain the updated engine will go into the R8 in order to keep it faster.

[Lmg]

Here are a few more spy shots in Barcelona:

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee239/Dark_and_Divine/5378251.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee239/Dark_and_Divine/6912119.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee239/Dark_and_Divine/8146597.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee239/Dark_and_Divine/9800005.jpg

Source: Worldcarfans (http://www.worldcarfans.com/109101622477/reader-spy-audi-rs5-caught-in-barcelona)

[HKS786]

I'm sick of spyshots that dont reveal anything new. This is as boring as watching the new 5 series losing camouflage in spypics.

[crespo]

yea, getting a little tired of the spy pics as well (though those drilled rear brakes look awesome)