gtr vs 911 turbo

[audi_ch]

in this vid at 7:15 911 turbo clearly outperfomce the gtr at about 180 kmh up to high speeds.

Somehow gtr doesnt performe as well as at low speed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK3dn4Tlpto

Seems that the fast shiftings and good grip is the advenatag of the gtr at low speeds, but no chance at higher speeds.

Now we just wait for the new turbo with dkg and the GTR isnt an issue at all for the turbo.

This turbo was a manuell

[steve]

at 7.08min... hear him shift double ;)

no wonder that the porsche comes back.

[audi_ch]

sorry either you ignore facts, or you just dont want to be the turbo faster than the gtr.

they did twice the accelaration twice the same result, porsche clearly faster from around 180 kmh up to high speed.

No comment from shifting error of the gtr. Dont mistake noise from pop off ventils with shifting.

Driver Patrick Simon, very experience racing driver

911 turbo is faster at higher speed than gtr.

911 turbo manuel standart 0-300kmh ca 41 seks
gtr 0-300 ca 52 seks.

Will try to fit the scans in off the relevant magasins

[steve]

easy easy,

and just watch the video, at that moment you hear it change gear, and 2-3sec later again ;)
no pop-off BS, I can make the difference between that and a gearshift :hihi:

apart from that, where did I say that de GTR is faster?

[audi_ch]

just strange argumentation due to a noise of a vid, you say there is an extra gear chance in acceleration from the gtr, which allows the turbo to overtake it...

specialy the gtr is so easy for gearing with this dsg, hardly no error to make in acceleration.

i still do not hear anything whitch would give me an information that there is an extra or wrong gear change with the gtr in acceleration, specialy you hear both noise the 911 turbo and the gtr together, so you must have really sensitve ears to make difference betewen this to accelerating cars.

Anyway, the statement is clear that the 911 turbo easily gains ground above 180 kmh over the gtr

[artur777]

Stock Turbo is really faster than Stock GTR after 200 km/h

But both are easily tunable and with Stage 2 they are quite similar in acceleration.

The answer is that Stock GTR is restricted with its cats system more than Porsche. That's why in Stock form GTR is slower

[M3 owner]

MOTOR magazine compared the GT2 ($447,500) & GTR ($159,000) Note: U wont find a GTR under $175,000,going rate is $185,000
Here r some performance specs:

0-100km
GT2 = 3.99
GTR = 4.01

400m
GT2 = 11.91
GTR = 12.07

Note: Gravely surface hampered GT2 times.

Lap time around Winton Track:
GT2 = 1.32.1
GTR = 1.33.7

Speed In Gears
1st gear
GT2 = 80km/h @ 6750rpm
GTR = 62km/h @ 7000rpm

2nd Gear
GT2 = 133km/h @ 6750rpm
GTR = 110km/h@ 7000rpm

3rd Gear
GT2 = 179km/h @ 6750rpm
GTR = 158km/h @ 7000rpm

4th Gear
GT2 = 230km/h @ 6750rpm
GTR = 202km/h @ 7000rpm

5th Gear
GT2 = 282 km/h @ 6750rpm
GTR = 252 km/h @ 7000rpm

6th Gear
GT2 = 329 km/h @ 6750 rpm
GTR = 310 km/h @ 6900 rpm (manufacturers claim)

The GTR received a 9/10, GT2 received 10/10.

The last paragraph of the article sums up this comparison perfectly, : “Hat’s off for the R35 GTR. Nothing & we mean nothing can match it at its price but the real benchmark will cost you nearly three times more.”

[Roger]

GT-R vs. GT3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrd8VzfZzN8

[audi_ch]

Stock Turbo is really faster than Stock GTR after 200 km/h

But both are easily tunable and with Stage 2 they are quite similar in acceleration.

The answer is that Stock GTR is restricted with its cats system more than Porsche. That's why in Stock form GTR is slower

dont think gtr are so easily tunable, because of the double clutch system witch will have problems with more torque.

Therefor GTR is restricted to 580 nm, Turbo in overbust 680 nm (manuel)

You will have problems sooner or later with the tune of the GTR, with its gearbox..

[Canadian_RS4]

sorry either you ignore facts, or you just dont want to be the turbo faster than the gtr.

they did twice the accelaration twice the same result, porsche clearly faster from around 180 kmh up to high speed.

No comment from shifting error of the gtr. Dont mistake noise from pop off ventils with shifting.

Driver Patrick Simon, very experience racing driver

911 turbo is faster at higher speed than gtr.

911 turbo manuel standart 0-300kmh ca 41 seks
gtr 0-300 ca 52 seks.

Will try to fit the scans in off the relevant magasins

So the turbo is faster in a straight line... Wow 40 years and that's all Porsche managed against Nissan?

[Roger]

dont think gtr are so easily tunable, because of the double clutch system witch will have problems with more torque.

Therefor GTR is restricted to 580 nm, Turbo in overbust 680 nm (manuel)

You will have problems sooner or later with the tune of the GTR, with its gearbox..

You are quite wrong about this and obviously have not done any research into the statement you make. MANY GT-R owners have surpassed this with just ECU reflash and exhaust.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvZ5FxtnZEM

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/R35-GTR-with-HKS-GT570_649110.htm

http://vimeo.com/4715430

[audi_ch]

Roger not at all.

Sooner or later the tuned gtr will have a gear box problem.

Simply double clutch uses 2 small clutchtes instead of manuel with one bigger.

the double clucth system is strongly restricted to torque.

Of course you can tune the gtr, but dont argue, if after a few 1000 mils the clutch is gone.

That is by the way the reason while the turbo 911 is not yet available with double clutch, as the 680 nm torque wond't be healvy for the double clutch.

Another half an year and they will make it. But you will easily see, that the Techart, Speedart or what ever the tuners are called, they would never make a double clutch 911 turbo so strong as a manuel (tuning) just because of the system.

[artur777]

dont think gtr are so easily tunable, because of the double clutch system witch will have problems with more torque.

Therefor GTR is restricted to 580 nm, Turbo in overbust 680 nm (manuel)

You will have problems sooner or later with the tune of the GTR, with its gearbox..

I have some real tuned GTRs before my eyes and one of them is FASTER than Tuned Corvetter Z06 (video in other thread!)

[audi_ch]

artur 777 i do believe that with no doubt, but drive this gtr for a while, accelerate hard, and you will se what happens to the double clutch.

This things ar till no not made for using massive torque and hp extra.

I am sure as well none of the tunners which sold you for exampel 800nm and 600hp for the GTR will give you any guarantie on the double clutch.

Maybee you can do it with 650 nm and 550 hp. But more will not be longlive for this kind of clutch

[artur777]

artur 777 i do believe that with no doubt, but drive this gtr for a while, accelerate hard, and you will se what happens to the double clutch.

This things ar till no not made for using massive torque and hp extra.

I am sure as well none of the tunners which sold you for exampel 800nm and 600hp for the GTR will give you any guarantie on the double clutch.

Maybee you can do it with 650 nm and 550 hp. But more will not be longlive for this kind of clutch

People drive this GTR VERY HARD and the clutch is ok.

They have already 2010 software with revised clutch work and it seems to be ok even with Launch Control!
GTR's transmission is ok and stable one, the only reason for it to break is abmormal usage in VDC off mode where the clutch just slipps. Use LC in R mode even with Stage 2 - everything will be ok.

[Z07]

dont think gtr are so easily tunable, because of the double clutch system witch will have problems with more torque.

Therefor GTR is restricted to 580 nm, Turbo in overbust 680 nm (manuel)

You will have problems sooner or later with the tune of the GTR, with its gearbox..
Switzer do a transmission upgrade.

SPI P800 - 707awhp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSLQehcaUeA

SPI P700 - (0-60 3.3s no LC, 60-130 6.97s = 0-130mph in 10.3s combined)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTAKGBqf-1o&feature=related

[Roger]

Roger not at all.

Sooner or later the tuned gtr will have a gear box problem.

Simply double clutch uses 2 small clutchtes instead of manuel with one bigger.

the double clucth system is strongly restricted to torque.

Of course you can tune the gtr, but dont argue, if after a few 1000 mils the clutch is gone.

That is by the way the reason while the turbo 911 is not yet available with double clutch, as the 680 nm torque wond't be healvy for the double clutch.

Another half an year and they will make it. But you will easily see, that the Techart, Speedart or what ever the tuners are called, they would never make a double clutch 911 turbo so strong as a manuel (tuning) just because of the system.

Again I think you are making statements without looking into them. The twin clutch sytem works differently and has different stresses than a manual clutch system. Most 911TT with large power upgrades also have clutch upgrades. Yet there are penty pf GT-Rs out there doing under 11 sec 1/4s with stock clutches and no problems. There are also plenty of GT-R owners making this power tracking their cars every weekend - anf NO CLUTCH PROBLEMS. Your statement of wait and see seems to apply to the 911, they are the cars requiring a clutch upgrade to make serious power.